DIGITALLY RECORDED¶
SWORN STATEMENT¶
OIG CASE #:¶
2019-010614¶
OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL¶
SEPTEMBER 29, 2021¶
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28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285¶
Agoura Hills, CA 91301¶
Phone: (818) 431-5800¶
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MR. Job performance failure. All right. So, it says, United States Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, Warnings and Assurances to Employees Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. “You are being asked to provide information as part of an investigation being conducted by the Office of the Inspector General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview.¶
Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings, or agency disciplinary proceedings, or both.” And there is a waiver section. And it says, “I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any¶
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just talking about the recording and how Mr. would not go in and review a recording without someone requesting him to do so. He doesn’t recall specifically who made that request for him to review the recording, but he believes that he reviewed the recording on the 9th, and that’s when he determined that it wasn’t recording properly. Is that correct?¶
MR. No. Because we’re in the middle of a-. Well, no, this-. Before Epstein happened, we were in the middle of a camera project, we had people TDY. So, I was, like, the lead in the building, trying to tell everybody what needs to get done. And I think the day before, I was on 10 South, I was putting in a rack or something, so I was busy that day, and I had a TDY guy on me.¶
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MR. : Yeah. Yeah. Because I was -. See, what happened was, I was going to start rebuilding the drives, so I labeled everything. It was, it was a mess. So, they wanted me to -. Let me if I can think about it. So, everything stopped working. I go in the room, , you’ve got to get the recorder working. Well, I got to pull the drives out to get the recorder working. So, the two drives that I pulled out. And so, the two old drives, and the two new drives, I labeled them, because I knew that it was going to be a big thing. So, I got to pay attention to what I’m doing. And then, in the midst of all that, that’s when they took the drives, and said, hey, we need to stop doing everything.¶
MR. : So, who is it that actually pulled the bad drives out? You or the¶
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MR. : But that was something more technical than my understanding, because at the time, if something goes bad, just, you know, take the drives out, put it in. And then, this became a bigger thing. So now, we’re, like, well, there was still kind of a possibility that more things would have been happening. From my understanding. That’s what SigNet told me.¶
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are you sure that you went in and you verified that the cameras were actually operating? It was actually recording?¶
MR. . : Yes. I would have to verify everything was recording.¶
MR. . : Now, if it was recording, how was it that, based on their analysis of this stuff, that there is no recordings in the system after 7/29/2019?¶
MR. : The way I was taught to look at the system, was to look at the Nice Vision, and if I saw the red lights, like, the system is recording. But then, I found out later, the red lights on the system recording, the way I was looking at it, it doesn’t mean that there was actual video recording. That’s something that SigNet told me later.¶
MR. . : All right. But then, that contradicts what you stated earlier. Earlier, you stated that you actually went back in, and you reviewed —¶
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MR. . : But now, it’s different. Now, you’re stating that you went back in, and you just looked to see if there was, like, a dot —¶
MR. : I’m saying, I did both. I would have looked to see if there was video, and then I would have looked to see that I got the red lights, that everything was recording. The initial thing to do is to look to see a red lights, that those are working. And then, the next thing was to do was to pull back to see if there was video. Now, SigNet told me later, after all of this happened, even on the new recorder that we have, the red lights that show, it don’t mean that anything is recording. The system is not recording. You would have to go pull video from, like, a week before, or two weeks before, to see if there was a failure. But you would not know, like, looking at it, that there was a problem.¶
MR. . : Okay. But you had said based upon this comment by the FBI report —¶
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MR. : — well then, tell us. So, here. Open, open discussion. Tell us exactly what was going on with these recordings, and when they weren’t working.¶
MR. : Well, when I fist got to the institution, that’s why I started a project. I would look for video, and they would tell me there is a problem, and I’m, like, oh, you can’t keep running the institution like this. If there is no video, you have to fix the system. You have to get an upgrade. I’ve called SigNet about the problem. And I informed everybody, hey, this is a problem. You can’t have a jail where you can’t find video whenever you need video. Or the recorder is always failing.¶
I was in Terre for a year and a half. I don’t remember, maybe a couple times where something - as far as video, pulling back video, you would always find a video. There was never a time where you couldn’t find a video. Maybe some cameras weren’t working, but as far as pulling back video for a jail, there is no time where you can’t find video. And my experience, when I got there, was, like, oh,¶
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it’s not a big deal, it’s not a big deal.¶
And I’m, like, well, this is a jail, with funding and whatever else problems they had. Nobody considered anything here a priority or an emergency. So, after Epstein, that’s when it was, like, oh, well, now you’ve got to stay, now you have to do everything. And I’ve been screaming at the hilltop when I got there. Like, hey, you have a problem, you’ve got to fix it. That’s why I did the money for a project, hey, you need to get new recorders in, you’ve got to put the -. You’ve got to upgrades. Like, you haven’t done anything at all. Like, you have to spend money. Like, this stuff is old.¶
MR. . : — at a time, but I’m just saying, like, if this happened at this time, right, and I replaced the drives the other time, weren’t they looking for video, and another time they couldn’t find video, and I¶
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lost because the network card is dependent on the motherboard to be functioning. And Windows to be running, for the network card driver to be operational. If and when the motherboard failed, this would have caused the network card to shut off, thus triggering the above message of a system failure, of DVR-2. Because it can no longer communicate with the DVR.” Does this sound accurate?¶
MR. : I just remember I did the electronics thing, I just did a smell test, and I knew something on the motherboard burned up. You could smell that. Because I, when I took the motherboard out, you could tell it was a problem. Something on the motherboard burned up. Or failure power. Or something. But it was the motherboard. Because I do remember doing that.¶
MR. : All right. And do you¶
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MR. . : It doesn’t state clearly if they -. Was anything was retrieved, but prior to 29th, that’s something we have to clarify with the FBI.¶
MR. : Okay. All right. Now, regarding the hard drive failure. It says, “Per Jeff McKenzie, if there was a message that stated this is in the Supervision application of the video management system, this would indicate that the failed motherboard had been either recovered, repaired, or replaced, and now functioning because this would allow Windows Operating System to run, allowing the recording to be in operation, and communication to the application management server restored.¶
If there is one hard drive failure, the system is recoverable by replacing the drive and letting it rebuild. If there were two drives simultaneously failed, then the recorded video data is lost, and unrecoverable due to¶
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MR. : I don’t know when it was created. I’m just saying, people are trying to cover their tracks. To say they were notified, and they told this person, and that person.¶
When I got there, and I was trying to explain to everybody how important most of the systems were, everybody just looked at me like I’m spinning two heads. Like, I’m not telling you-. I’m, like, I came from a compound. There was a medium. There is a high. There is a low. There is a death row. If something doesn’t work, it’s a jail, you have to stay.¶
Now, after Epstein happens, everybody wants to do their job. So, that’s the long and short of it.¶
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CERTIFICATE¶
I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of:¶
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