DIGITALLY RECORDED SWORN STATEMENT OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL SEPTEMBER 29, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 EFTA00141893 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141894 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 3 EFTA00141895 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 4 EFTA00141896 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 5 MR. Job performance failure. All right. So, it says, United States Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General, Warnings and Assurances to Employees Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. "You are being asked to provide information as part of an investigation being conducted by the Office of the Inspector General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings, or agency disciplinary proceedings, or both.” And there is a waiver section. And it says, "I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any EFTA00141897 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141898 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141899 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141900 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141901 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141902 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141903 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141904 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 13 EFTA00141905 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141906 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 15 EFTA00141907 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141908 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 17 EFTA00141909 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141910 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 19 EFTA00141911 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 20 EFTA00141912 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 21 EFTA00141913 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 22 EFTA00141914 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 23 EFTA00141915 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141916 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 25 EFTA00141917 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 26 EFTA00141918 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 27 just talking about the recording and how Mr. would not go in and review a recording without someone requesting him to do so. He doesn't recall specifically who made that request for him to review the recording, but he believes that he reviewed the recording on the 9th, and that's when he determined that it wasn't recording properly. Is that correct? MR. No. Because we’re in the middle of a-. Well, no, this-. Before Epstein happened, we were in the middle of a camera project, we had people TDY. So, I was, like, the lead in the building, trying to tell everybody what needs to get done. And I think the day before, I was on 10 South, I was putting in a rack or something, so I was busy that day, and I had a TDY guy on me. 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Yeah. Because I was -. See, what happened was, I was going to start rebuilding the drives, so I labeled everything. It was, it was a mess. So, they wanted me to -. Let me if I can think about it. So, everything stopped working. I go in the room, , you’ve got to get the recorder working. Well, I got to pull the drives out to get the recorder working. So, the two drives that I pulled out. And so, the two old drives, and the two new drives, I labeled them, because I knew that it was going to be a big thing. So, I got to pay attention to what I'm doing. And then, in the midst of all that, that’s when they took the drives, and said, hey, we need to stop doing everything. MR. : So, who is it that actually pulled the bad drives out? You or the EFTA00141992 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 101 EFTA00141993 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 102 EFTA00141994 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 103 EFTA00141995 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141996 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 105 EFTA00141997 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 106 EFTA00141998 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00141999 EFTA00142000 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 109 EFTA00142001 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 110 EFTA00142002 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142003 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142004 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 113 EFTA00142005 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 114 MR. : But that was something more technical than my understanding, because at the time, if something goes bad, just, you know, take the drives out, put it in. And then, this became a bigger thing. So now, we’re, like, well, there was still kind of a possibility that more things would have been happening. From my understanding. That’s what SigNet told me. 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MR. . : Now, if it was recording, how was it that, based on their analysis of this stuff, that there is no recordings in the system after 7/29/2019? MR. : The way I was taught to look at the system, was to look at the Nice Vision, and if I saw the red lights, like, the system is recording. But then, I found out later, the red lights on the system recording, the way I was looking at it, it doesn't mean that there was actual video recording. That’s something that SigNet told me later. MR. . : All right. But then, that contradicts what you stated earlier. Earlier, you stated that you actually went back in, and you reviewed -- EFTA00142026 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 135 MR. . : But now, it’s different. Now, you’re stating that you went back in, and you just looked to see if there was, like, a dot -- MR. : I'm saying, I did both. I would have looked to see if there was video, and then I would have looked to see that I got the red lights, that everything was recording. The initial thing to do is to look to see a red lights, that those are working. And then, the next thing was to do was to pull back to see if there was video. Now, SigNet told me later, after all of this happened, even on the new recorder that we have, the red lights that show, it don’t mean that anything is recording. The system is not recording. You would have to go pull video from, like, a week before, or two weeks before, to see if there was a failure. But you would not know, like, looking at it, that there was a problem. MR. . : Okay. But you had said based upon this comment by the FBI report -- EFTA00142027 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142028 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142029 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142030 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142031 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 140 EFTA00142032 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 141 EFTA00142033 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 142 EFTA00142034 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142035 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 144 EFTA00142036 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 145 EFTA00142037 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142038 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 147 EFTA00142039 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 148 EFTA00142040 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 149 EFTA00142041 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 150 EFTA00142042 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142043 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 152 EFTA00142044 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 153 EFTA00142045 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142046 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 155 EFTA00142047 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142048 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 157 EFTA00142049 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 158 EFTA00142050 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 159 EFTA00142051 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142052 EFTA00142053 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142054 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 163 EFTA00142055 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 164 EFTA00142056 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 165 EFTA00142057 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142058 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 167 MR. : -- well then, tell us. So, here. Open, open discussion. Tell us exactly what was going on with these recordings, and when they weren't working. MR. : Well, when I fist got to the institution, that's why I started a project. I would look for video, and they would tell me there is a problem, and I'm, like, oh, you can't keep running the institution like this. If there is no video, you have to fix the system. You have to get an upgrade. I've called SigNet about the problem. And I informed everybody, hey, this is a problem. You can't have a jail where you can't find video whenever you need video. Or the recorder is always failing. I was in Terre for a year and a half. I don’t remember, maybe a couple times where something - as far as video, pulling back video, you would always find a video. There was never a time where you couldn’t find a video. Maybe some cameras weren’t working, but as far as pulling back video for a jail, there is no time where you can't find video. And my experience, when I got there, was, like, oh, EFTA00142059 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 168 it’s not a big deal, it’s not a big deal. And I'm, like, well, this is a jail, with funding and whatever else problems they had. Nobody considered anything here a priority or an emergency. So, after Epstein, that’s when it was, like, oh, well, now you’ve got to stay, now you have to do everything. And I’ve been screaming at the hilltop when I got there. Like, hey, you have a problem, you’ve got to fix it. That’s why I did the money for a project, hey, you need to get new recorders in, you’ve got to put the -. You’ve got to upgrades. Like, you haven’t done anything at all. Like, you have to spend money. Like, this stuff is old. MR. . : -- at a time, but I'm just saying, like, if this happened at this time, right, and I replaced the drives the other time, weren't they looking for video, and another time they couldn't find video, and I EFTA00142060 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 169 EFTA00142061 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 170 EFTA00142062 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 171 EFTA00142063 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 172 EFTA00142064 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 173 EFTA00142065 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142066 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 175 EFTA00142067 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 176 EFTA00142068 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 177 EFTA00142069 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 178 EFTA00142070 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 179 EFTA00142071 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142072 EFTA00142073 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142074 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 183 EFTA00142075 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 184 EFTA00142076 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 185 EFTA00142077 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142078 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 187 EFTA00142079 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 188 EFTA00142080 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142081 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 190 EFTA00142082 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 191 EFTA00142083 EFTA00142084 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 193 EFTA00142085 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142086 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 195 EFTA00142087 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142088 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 197 EFTA00142089 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 198 EFTA00142090 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 199 EFTA00142091 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142092 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142093 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 202 EFTA00142094 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 203 EFTA00142095 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142096 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 205 EFTA00142097 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 206 lost because the network card is dependent on the motherboard to be functioning. And Windows to be running, for the network card driver to be operational. If and when the motherboard failed, this would have caused the network card to shut off, thus triggering the above message of a system failure, of DVR-2. Because it can no longer communicate with the DVR.” Does this sound accurate? MR. : I just remember I did the electronics thing, I just did a smell test, and I knew something on the motherboard burned up. You could smell that. Because I, when I took the motherboard out, you could tell it was a problem. Something on the motherboard burned up. Or failure power. Or something. But it was the motherboard. Because I do remember doing that. MR. : All right. And do you EFTA00142098 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 207 EFTA00142099 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142100 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142101 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 210 MR. . : It doesn't state clearly if they -. Was anything was retrieved, but prior to 29th, that's something we have to clarify with the FBI. MR. : Okay. All right. Now, regarding the hard drive failure. It says, "Per Jeff McKenzie, if there was a message that stated this is in the Supervision application of the video management system, this would indicate that the failed motherboard had been either recovered, repaired, or replaced, and now functioning because this would allow Windows Operating System to run, allowing the recording to be in operation, and communication to the application management server restored. If there is one hard drive failure, the system is recoverable by replacing the drive and letting it rebuild. If there were two drives simultaneously failed, then the recorded video data is lost, and unrecoverable due to EFTA00142102 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142103 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 212 EFTA00142104 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 213 EFTA00142105 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 214 EFTA00142106 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00142107 EFTA00142108 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 217 MR. : I don’t know when it was created. I'm just saying, people are trying to cover their tracks. To say they were notified, and they told this person, and that person. When I got there, and I was trying to explain to everybody how important most of the systems were, everybody just looked at me like I'm spinning two heads. Like, I'm not telling you-. I'm, like, I came from a compound. There was a medium. There is a high. There is a low. There is a death row. If something doesn't work, it's a jail, you have to stay. Now, after Epstein happens, everybody wants to do their job. So, that's the long and short of it. 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