SWORN STATEMENT¶
DIGITALLY RECORDED¶
OIG CASE #:¶
2019-010614¶
OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL¶
MARCH 16, 2022¶
RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES¶
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Phone: (818) 431-5800¶
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General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended.¶
This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions.¶
Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings, or agency disciplinary proceeding, or both.” The waiver states, “I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above, and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions.¶
No promises or threats have been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any kind has been used against me.” Please review the form and if you understand and agree, please sign where it says Employee Signature.¶
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reviewing the camera, I was looking for an inmate that may have possibly departed the building. So, I was, I went to the camera to review the, to see if I can backtrack exactly when he left the building.¶
I was present at the SIS office, with the Associate Warden from MCC New York at the time, which is AW Edge, we both were looking at the camera, and at that moment, I noticed I couldn’t rewind on the cameras.¶
So, I couldn’t get any playback. At that moment, we stopped, you know, like, searching for the inmate because we couldn’t go back any further than the time we were at. And at that time, I notified communications tech.¶
I called him over the radio and let him know, hey, I’m trying to rewind back the cameras, and the cameras won’t rewind. And he said he will come and take a look at the system and see what was going on.¶
And which he did. He did come down and he looked at the system, and he said he has to do overtime to fix the system. At that moment, I notified Captain . I apologized that the cameras was down, and I also provided¶
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MS. : When we arrived, and we realized that there was no video over the 9th. That’s when he stated, I did overtime, I fixed it yesterday. And then, we would, me and him were having a conversation that it’s no video. You can’t go back. And his thing was, I’m here to finish up what I started yesterday.¶
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talk, separate that out from the actual recordings working. How often do people go in and view the live feeds?¶
MS. : It’s my - this is just, again, I would say it should have been daily because since I’ve been at MCC New York, normal practice was that the communication shop came up every morning, went into that area where, I don’t know, like, the motherboard was at.¶
And they checked it. So, that’s what I’ve always was used to happening. And they will say, hey, you got some cameras down, or A, B, C, and D, because SIS uses the cameras a lot. You know?¶
We going back for video. We looking for fights. Like, you know, they’re up on our desks sometimes who we’re just seeing who’s doing what. So, I would say daily that they definitely should be monitored.¶
MR. : Okay. And if the camera feeds were not working, I understand the¶
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recorder is not, that the recording is not there. And we might have spoken about this in the past, but should have gone home for the day, or should the recordings, the feeds been fixed immediately?¶
MS. : I kind of don’t know the process of fixing the feeds because I know it was times he said he had to order new cameras. So, I don’t know if they were fixable where he had to order new cameras, and had to wait for cameras to come in.¶
So, I don’t even, I don’t even know, honestly, if he would have been able to fix those cameras that was out, or if he needed to order new cameras to fix those cameras that was out.¶
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these were my documents that were in her office.¶
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understanding was Epstein needed to be assigned a pack and PIN, and because he was at attorney conference all the time, he was never available for a pack and PIN to be set up for him.¶
And what we’re trying to find out is, if Epstein was ever assigned a pack and PIN, and if he was assigned a pack and PIN, did he ever sign a form called Acknowledgement of Inmate form, BP-408?¶
MS. : Normally, they request the legal call. This is my knowledge of being a lieutenant. They put a cop-out into their unit team, requesting that a legal phone call, and somebody from their unit team will come up with a logbook, I guess after they verify that that is their attorneys number, and they tell the attorney, okay, we’re going to set up this phone call for 10:00. Then they will go up and¶
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MR. : “Federal regulations require that the warden of each BOP institution establish procedures to monitor inmate telephone conversations, which is done to preserve the security and orderly managing of the institution, and to protect the public.¶
For safety and security reasons, BOP policy requires that all inmate telephone calls be made through the inmate telephone system, ITS. BOP policy recognizes that on rare occasion, in times of crisis, inmates may be permitted to make a telephone call outside of the ITS.¶
In such circumstance, the telephone must be placed in a secure area; example, in a locked office, and must be set to record telephone calls. Additionally, the staff member coordinating the call must notify the BOP Special Investigative Services (SIS) via¶
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calls, and we can identify anything that was abnormal.¶
MR. : And I know this is Monday morning quarterbacking the situation, but a situation like this, with Mr. Epstein, the fact of the circumstances that surrounded what happened between August 9th and 10th, looking back that he was allowed to make a phone call like that on August 9th, should that have been allowed?¶
stated. We have no way of monitoring those phone calls. So, we don’t know if - you know, just an example - if I may, we don’t know if it was to intimidate a witness.¶
We just don’t know the context of the call because we can’t go back to listen. We don’t even know in the call if he was saying, hey, I’m feeling like this, because you have no way of going back and listening to that call.¶
MR. : And being that someone, that he was allowed to make that phone call, should someone have been standing there with him,¶
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CERTIFICATE¶
I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of:¶
Interview of¶
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