SWORN STATEMENT DIGITALLY RECORDED OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL MARCH 16, 2022 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 EFTA00125121 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE OTHER APPEARANCES: EFTA00125122 EFTA00125123 EFTA00125124 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 5 General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended. This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings, or agency disciplinary proceeding, or both.” The waiver states, “I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above, and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me, and no pressure or coercion of any kind has been used against me.” Please review the form and if you understand and agree, please sign where it says Employee Signature. EFTA00125125 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125126 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125127 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 8 reviewing the camera, I was looking for an inmate that may have possibly departed the building. So, I was, I went to the camera to review the, to see if I can backtrack exactly when he left the building. I was present at the SIS office, with the Associate Warden from MCC New York at the time, which is AW Edge, we both were looking at the camera, and at that moment, I noticed I couldn't rewind on the cameras. So, I couldn't get any playback. At that moment, we stopped, you know, like, searching for the inmate because we couldn't go back any further than the time we were at. And at that time, I notified communications tech. I called him over the radio and let him know, hey, I'm trying to rewind back the cameras, and the cameras won't rewind. And he said he will come and take a look at the system and see what was going on. And which he did. He did come down and he looked at the system, and he said he has to do overtime to fix the system. At that moment, I notified Captain . I apologized that the cameras was down, and I also provided EFTA00125128 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125129 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125130 EFTA00125131 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125132 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 13 EFTA00125133 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 14 EFTA00125134 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 15 EFTA00125135 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 16 EFTA00125136 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125137 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 18 MS. : When we arrived, and we realized that there was no video over the 9th. That’s when he stated, I did overtime, I fixed it yesterday. And then, we would, me and him were having a conversation that it’s no video. You can't go back. And his thing was, I'm here to finish up what I started yesterday. EFTA00125138 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 19 EFTA00125139 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 20 EFTA00125140 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125141 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 22 EFTA00125142 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125143 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 24 EFTA00125144 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 25 EFTA00125145 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125146 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 27 talk, separate that out from the actual recordings working. How often do people go in and view the live feeds? MS. : It’s my - this is just, again, I would say it should have been daily because since I’ve been at MCC New York, normal practice was that the communication shop came up every morning, went into that area where, I don't know, like, the motherboard was at. And they checked it. So, that's what I’ve always was used to happening. And they will say, hey, you got some cameras down, or A, B, C, and D, because SIS uses the cameras a lot. You know? We going back for video. We looking for fights. Like, you know, they’re up on our desks sometimes who we’re just seeing who’s doing what. So, I would say daily that they definitely should be monitored. MR. : Okay. And if the camera feeds were not working, I understand the EFTA00125147 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 28 recorder is not, that the recording is not there. And we might have spoken about this in the past, but should have gone home for the day, or should the recordings, the feeds been fixed immediately? MS. : I kind of don’t know the process of fixing the feeds because I know it was times he said he had to order new cameras. So, I don't know if they were fixable where he had to order new cameras, and had to wait for cameras to come in. So, I don't even, I don't even know, honestly, if he would have been able to fix those cameras that was out, or if he needed to order new cameras to fix those cameras that was out. EFTA00125148 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125149 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125150 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125151 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125152 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 33 EFTA00125153 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 34 these were my documents that were in her office. EFTA00125154 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 35 EFTA00125155 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125156 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 37 EFTA00125157 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 38 EFTA00125158 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 39 EFTA00125159 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 40 EFTA00125160 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125161 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 42 EFTA00125162 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 43 EFTA00125163 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 44 EFTA00125164 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125165 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125166 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 47 understanding was Epstein needed to be assigned a pack and PIN, and because he was at attorney conference all the time, he was never available for a pack and PIN to be set up for him. And what we’re trying to find out is, if Epstein was ever assigned a pack and PIN, and if he was assigned a pack and PIN, did he ever sign a form called Acknowledgement of Inmate form, BP-408? MS. : Normally, they request the legal call. This is my knowledge of being a lieutenant. They put a cop-out into their unit team, requesting that a legal phone call, and somebody from their unit team will come up with a logbook, I guess after they verify that that is their attorneys number, and they tell the attorney, okay, we’re going to set up this phone call for 10:00. Then they will go up and EFTA00125167 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 48 EFTA00125168 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 49 MR. : "Federal regulations require that the warden of each BOP institution establish procedures to monitor inmate telephone conversations, which is done to preserve the security and orderly managing of the institution, and to protect the public. For safety and security reasons, BOP policy requires that all inmate telephone calls be made through the inmate telephone system, ITS. BOP policy recognizes that on rare occasion, in times of crisis, inmates may be permitted to make a telephone call outside of the ITS. In such circumstance, the telephone must be placed in a secure area; example, in a locked office, and must be set to record telephone calls. Additionally, the staff member coordinating the call must notify the BOP Special Investigative Services (SIS) via EFTA00125169 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 50 EFTA00125170 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00125171 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 52 calls, and we can identify anything that was abnormal. MR. : And I know this is Monday morning quarterbacking the situation, but a situation like this, with Mr. Epstein, the fact of the circumstances that surrounded what happened between August 9th and 10th, looking back that he was allowed to make a phone call like that on August 9th, should that have been allowed? stated. We have no way of monitoring those phone calls. So, we don't know if - you know, just an example - if I may, we don't know if it was to intimidate a witness. We just don’t know the context of the call because we can't go back to listen. We don't even know in the call if he was saying, hey, I'm feeling like this, because you have no way of going back and listening to that call. 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