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2019-010614¶
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I’m going to read it to you for the record. It’s United States Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General Warnings and Assurances to Employee Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. You are being asked to provide information as part of an investigation being conducted by the Office of the Inspector General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act as amended. This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings or agency disciplinary proceedings or both. Then there’s the waiver which says I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me and no pressure or coercion of any kind has been used against me. And there’s the – right here – employee signature and¶
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MR. : And should everyone know if someone comes off of watch that they are required to have a cellmate?¶
MR. : I’m not sure. I mean that’s what they do. They come out. Anyone comes off suicide watch, you put them in with a cellmate.¶
MR. : I don’t know. I guess it’s daily operations.¶
MR. : Okay. But most people should know that a person coming off of suicide watch is required to have a cellmate.¶
MR. : Uh I mean it depends. I don’t know. I know we get these emails though. They send them out any time an inmate comes off. You try to put them with a cellmate. But then again like I said in the SHU, it’s you know. Because even if they come off suicide watch, they don’t -. Say like they come off they stay in SHU for a year. They have to have a cellmate for a year. You understand what I’m¶
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MR. : Oh, they hadn’t keyed them out. But then, they would have keyed them out. R&D leaves at 10:00. They leave at 10:00. Now, they could have left somebody on, and then came out. Because like you said, it’s no movement. The only way you get it is you key out. Like, key a guy unless somebody went to the hospital or something.¶
MR. : Yeah, and if there is nothing that happened, but no inmates were moved after 10:00 . If we know that, does this indicate that they were just going off on numbers and just falsifying their counts, or are you able to tell, by looking at these at all —¶
MR. : I mean, the one with the plus one is a question because I don’t see why they would -. Then again, you’ve got R&D with a plus one, too. I don’t know. I don’t know what’s going on. They got R&D, (Indiscernible *01:37:57) cell plus one.¶
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hold on that’s not it. Yeah.¶
MR. : And that’s what I mean by wouldn’t this be incorrect if they get a count slip that’s not listed on the E1?¶
MR. : Yeah. They got a - which one did they get? R&D? Yeah. Yep. That would be a bad one.¶
MR. : All right. So for this it seems like the 10:00 on August 9th was a bad E1 and as far as the midnight, it seems like it’s the count slip that’s a bad slip. Is that correct? Whatever that’s (Indiscernible *01:51:13). I’m sorry, I’m in the -. So it seems like the E1 is good at midnight, but the count slip is bad at midnight for ZA. And we’re primarily asking you this stuff just because we’ve got to write a report about what we’re finding. And we don’t want to sound - we don’t want to be wrong. You know what I mean?¶
MR. : Yeah. Yeah so, the count slip is wrong on this one.¶
MR. : So midnight count slip is wrong, E1 seems right. The E1 at 10:00 . seems wrong, but the count slips seems right. At least for R&D. I - we have reason to¶
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MR. : Any of those people that we discussed that were on day watch and you know anybody working in the SHU on August 9th and August 10th. Do you have any recollection of speaking with any of those people about morning watch or -? I mean not morning watch. About speaking with about rounds or counts.¶
MR. : Yeah. But not - it’s not really my responsibility. It’s the SHU lieutenant.¶
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watch. Came off. And they put him with the other guy. No-no. They put him with someone else. I don’t know.¶
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an activities’ lieutenant. What does that - is that something that you’re supposed to make other people aware of? Or why do they provide you with that information?¶
MR. : I think they’re required, or it could be a reminder. Hey, by the way, this guy’s getting released off suicide watch and placed him with an inmate in SHU.¶
MR. : But is it so you can then follow-up to make sure the CO’s know? Or there must be a reason rather than just for your own information. There’s got to be. Usually you’re provided information for a specific reason. So why are lieutenants provided that information? Rather than just the SHU lieutenant? Why are everybody else provided it?¶
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not. If I have the notice he had up until that time and left for one day. Then this happens. I can’t blame lieutenant, staff, notifications. You know. Remember there’s like 900 inmates in there.¶
MR. : I know he’s high-profile, but we also have to monitor other inmates. The round situation. If that’s true. That could have been a little bit you know -. You’ve got to make rounds in SHU.¶
Now going back to there.¶
You say it’s not on anybody. But if he’s psychology is saying he’s required to have a cellmate. It’s got to be on somebody. Right? If he’s on the hotlist. He’s in SHU where he’s supposed to have a cellmate anyway. And psychology is saying he’s got to have a cellmate. It’s got to fall to somebody to make sure. Hey, who is supposed to make sure this guy has got a cellmate? His cellmate is gone. He doesn’t have a cell mate.¶
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CERTIFICATE¶
I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice, Office of the Inspector General in the matter of:¶
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