SWORN STATEMENT OIG CASE #: 2019-010614 OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL JULY 12, 2021 RESOLUTE DOCUMENTATION SERVICES 28632 Roadside Drive, Suite 285 Agoura Hills, CA 91301 Phone: (818) 431-5800 EFTA00110695 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE OTHER APPEARANCES: EFTA00110696 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110697 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 4 EFTA00110698 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 5 I’m going to read it to you for the record. It’s United States Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General Warnings and Assurances to Employee Requested to Provide Information on a Voluntary Basis. You are being asked to provide information as part of an investigation being conducted by the Office of the Inspector General. This investigation is being conducted pursuant to the Inspector General Act as amended. This investigation pertains to job performance failure and security failure. This is a voluntary interview. Accordingly, you do not have to answer questions. No disciplinary action will be taken against you if you choose not to answer questions. Any statement you furnish may be used as evidence in any future criminal proceedings or agency disciplinary proceedings or both. Then there’s the waiver which says I understand the Warnings and Assurances stated above and I am willing to make a statement and answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me and no pressure or coercion of any kind has been used against me. And there’s the – right here – employee signature and EFTA00110699 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110700 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110701 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110702 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110703 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110704 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110705 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 12 EFTA00110706 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110707 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 14 EFTA00110708 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110709 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 16 EFTA00110710 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110711 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110712 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 19 EFTA00110713 EFTA00110714 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110715 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110716 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110717 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 24 EFTA00110718 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 25 EFTA00110719 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 26 EFTA00110720 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 27 EFTA00110721 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 28 EFTA00110722 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110723 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110724 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 31 EFTA00110725 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110726 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110727 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110728 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 35 EFTA00110729 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 36 EFTA00110730 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 37 EFTA00110731 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 38 EFTA00110732 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 39 EFTA00110733 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 40 EFTA00110734 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110735 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110736 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 43 MR. : And should everyone know if someone comes off of watch that they are required to have a cellmate? MR. : I’m not sure. I mean that’s what they do. They come out. Anyone comes off suicide watch, you put them in with a cellmate. MR. : I don't know. I guess it's daily operations. MR. : Okay. But most people should know that a person coming off of suicide watch is required to have a cellmate. MR. : Uh I mean it depends. I don’t know. I know we get these emails though. They send them out any time an inmate comes off. You try to put them with a cellmate. But then again like I said in the SHU, it’s you know. Because even if they come off suicide watch, they don’t -. Say like they come off they stay in SHU for a year. They have to have a cellmate for a year. 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But then, they would have keyed them out. R&D leaves at 10:00. They leave at 10:00. Now, they could have left somebody on, and then came out. Because like you said, it’s no movement. The only way you get it is you key out. Like, key a guy unless somebody went to the hospital or something. MR. : Yeah, and if there is nothing that happened, but no inmates were moved after 10:00 . If we know that, does this indicate that they were just going off on numbers and just falsifying their counts, or are you able to tell, by looking at these at all -- MR. : I mean, the one with the plus one is a question because I don't see why they would -. Then again, you've got R&D with a plus one, too. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. They got R&D, (Indiscernible *01:37:57) cell plus one. 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Whatever that's (Indiscernible *01:51:13). I'm sorry, I'm in the -. So it seems like the E1 is good at midnight, but the count slip is bad at midnight for ZA. And we're primarily asking you this stuff just because we've got to write a report about what we’re finding. And we don’t want to sound - we don't want to be wrong. You know what I mean? MR. : Yeah. Yeah so, the count slip is wrong on this one. MR. : So midnight count slip is wrong, E1 seems right. The E1 at 10:00 . seems wrong, but the count slips seems right. At least for R&D. I - we have reason to EFTA00110841 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 148 EFTA00110842 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 149 EFTA00110843 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110844 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 151 EFTA00110845 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 152 EFTA00110846 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110847 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 154 EFTA00110848 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 155 EFTA00110849 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110850 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110851 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110852 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110853 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110854 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 161 EFTA00110855 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110856 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110857 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110858 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 165 EFTA00110859 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110860 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 167 EFTA00110861 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 168 EFTA00110862 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110863 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 170 EFTA00110864 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 171 EFTA00110865 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 172 EFTA00110866 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 173 EFTA00110867 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE EFTA00110868 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 175 EFTA00110869 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 176 EFTA00110870 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 177 EFTA00110871 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 178 EFTA00110872 LIMITED OFFICIAL USE 179 MR. : Any of those people that we discussed that were on day watch and you know anybody working in the SHU on August 9th and August 10th. Do you have any recollection of speaking with any of those people about morning watch or -? I mean not morning watch. About speaking with about rounds or counts. MR. : Yeah. But not - it's not really my responsibility. It's the SHU lieutenant. 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What does that - is that something that you’re supposed to make other people aware of? Or why do they provide you with that information? MR. : I think they’re required, or it could be a reminder. Hey, by the way, this guy’s getting released off suicide watch and placed him with an inmate in SHU. MR. : But is it so you can then follow-up to make sure the CO’s know? Or there must be a reason rather than just for your own information. There’s got to be. Usually you’re provided information for a specific reason. So why are lieutenants provided that information? Rather than just the SHU lieutenant? Why are everybody else provided it? 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If I have the notice he had up until that time and left for one day. Then this happens. I can’t blame lieutenant, staff, notifications. You know. Remember there’s like 900 inmates in there. MR. : I know he’s high-profile, but we also have to monitor other inmates. The round situation. If that’s true. That could have been a little bit you know -. You’ve got to make rounds in SHU. Now going back to there. You say it’s not on anybody. But if he’s psychology is saying he’s required to have a cellmate. It’s got to be on somebody. Right? If he’s on the hotlist. He’s in SHU where he’s supposed to have a cellmate anyway. And psychology is saying he’s got to have a cellmate. It’s got to fall to somebody to make sure. Hey, who is supposed to make sure this guy has got a cellmate? His cellmate is gone. He doesn’t have a cell mate. 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