GOVERNMENT¶
EXHIBIT¶
2007-04-75 TXT¶
1 IN SHE CIRCUIT COURI 01 MT FIFTEENTH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT TN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA 2 SIAM OF FLORIDA¶
3 STATE OF FLORIDA,¶
4 vs.¶
JCFFREV EPSTEIN, 6 Defendant.¶
7¶
8¶
9 TRANSCRIPT Of TAPIA) STATEFTNT OF 1 4-24-07¶
10¶
11¶
16¶
17 rranscri bed by: vicki S. woodham, court Reporter IS Notary Public. Starr of rlorida consor 6 Associates 19 1655 Palm Beach lakes Boulevard, Suite 500 West Palm Beath, Florida 33401 20 Phone - 561.682.0905¶
21¶
22¶
23¶
74¶
25¶
/007-04 2S TX11¶
2¶
1 (Taped statement as follows:)¶
? AGENT RICHARDS: this is Special Agent Jason¶
3 RiChards with the egl along with Special Anent¶
4 Nesbit Kirkendul and assistant united states¶
Attorney Marie Eli bran ia here to conduct an¶
6 interview with ms. 1 4 Also present is¶
7 Pict.. attorney. Jim l'isenberg And Carrie Sheehan.¶
8 Mk. EISCNOFRG: And we are here -- This is Jim¶
9 Eisenberg and my investigator. Ms. Sheehan is here.¶
JO Anti we're here pursuant to a subpoena that was¶
11 served on me for T—M_ and that's why we're¶
17 here. so ms. Bilafonia. it's your show.¶
13 MS. HILAFONTA: Okay, great.¶
14 AGENI RICIARDS: I also want to add that the¶
15 dale is 4.24-07. and the time by my watch is 4:21¶
16 p.m.¶
17 8v AGENT RICDARDS:¶
18 O. we just want to start off and lead¶
19 off first. we just want to net some basic info about¶
20 you, simple stuff. I've got your date of birth as¶
21 7,26-88: is that correct?¶
22 A. res. sir.¶
73 Q. I just want to pet like your basics like that¶
24 stuff first. vont current address?¶
75 A. Palm Beach,¶
•¶
2007-04-25¶
3¶
Q. YAW hive a Cell phone or --¶
3 A. 56]¶
4 Q. And home phone?¶
S A. only cell.¶
ri Q. Only cell, Okay. Now have you had other cull 7 phone numbers in the past and do you know any of those?¶
4 A. S that's the only one t can remember.¶
Q. Okay. But you hart some others?¶
10 A. uh-huh.¶
It Q. Okay.¶
17 BY MS. RIIAFONIA:¶
13 Q. who's your service provider?¶
14 A. MetrO.¶
15 Q. MerrO. And for that other number as well?¶
16 A. Yes.¶
17 BY AGCNT BICNARDS:¶
lb Q. Where did you go to high school?¶
19 A.¶
70 Q. And what year did you graduate?¶
21 A. t dropped out in eleventh.¶
Z2 Q. what year was that that you dropped out, do you 23 remember?¶
24 A. No.¶
25 0. What year were you supposed to graduate, your¶
7007 04-75 IMMIMILIxt¶
1 class7¶
2 A. '06.¶
3 0- Okay.¶
4 A. I had gut my GPO.¶
Q. when did you get that?¶
6 A. About three months ago.¶
7 O. And are you going ro college anywhere¶
K currently?¶
•¶
A. Not right now.¶
10 Q. Plans?¶
11 A. T have plans.¶
12 DY MS. BILAFONIA:¶
14 Q. where are you thinking about going?¶
14 A. I'm not positive what 1 want to do. There's a¶
IS lot of things on my mind, but right now I'm focusing on¶
1G my son. I have a two year old so right now I'm just¶
27 working.¶
1R AGENT RICHARDS: He's a handful?¶
19 TIIC wtiNtSS: Yeah.¶
20 AGENT RICHARDS: 1 have one, tuu.¶
[1 THE WITNESS: Yeah. So in the future, I'm¶
22 definitely going to gu tu college. I'm going¶
23 definitely going to go to school. Rut I have, you¶
24 know, a modeling rnreer going on right now that's¶
2007.04-25 ix1 hopefully going to -- some o you wil l notice me,¶
•¶
•¶
1 hopefully, and chat would be great, but 1 don't 2 know.¶
3 BY MS. BRAFONIA:¶
4 O. Where else are you working?¶
S A. I work for Advanced Cleaning systems. They 6 clean carpets.¶
7 AGENT RICHARDS: Advanced what WAS ic?¶
8 THE WITNESS: system cleaning.¶
9 BY MS. AILAFONIA:¶
10 Q. And where are they located?¶
11 A. tas Palmas. 11 Swanee. S-w-a-n-e-e, Swanre¶
17 Drive.¶
11 0. Are you working in an office there or do you ye 14 out to people's homes?¶
IS A. I work in an office there.¶
16 BY AGI-NT RicoARns:¶
17 Q. obviously, you know why we're here and what we¶
ig want to talk about. So let me jusr kind of lead into do 19 you know inffrey Froscein?¶
70 A. Yes.¶
21 Q. vett, of course. you do. NOW when did you meet 22 Jeff? Does he go by Jeff or Jeffrey or¶
23 A. Jeffrey.¶
1007-04-25 IIIIIIII[TxT¶
/4 O. Okay. When did you meet him and who introduced¶
25 you to Jeffrey?¶
6¶
•¶
1 A. My girlfriend. Carolyn, introduced me to¶
7 :Jeffrey.¶
q. po you know her last name?¶
4 A. No. she was a friend of one of my friends, 50¶
5 7 really didn't know her.¶
6 BY MS. BTLAIONIA:¶
7 Q. when was that?¶
8 A. t really couldn't tell you. I don't even¶
9 remember, It's been so long ago.¶
10 BY ACCN1 RICIIARUS:¶
11 O. So Carolyn introduced you to him, was it at a 12 party setting or how did you guys meet?¶
13 A. wo. she came to me and she said hey, would you¶
14 like to make. a couple dollars and I said sure. t said¶
15 doing what? she said, well, I know this leffrey. ne¶
16 lives on palm Beach Island and r bring girls there and he¶
17 likes massages and 1 was like okay. Sn r asked her, t¶
18 said well, what about my age? And she said well, just¶
19 make sure that you tel l him that you're 18. And I had a¶
20 fake ID at the time and we went rhere.¶
21 0. okay. Anti about what time period was it that¶
/007-04-25 IIIIIIII[ixt Z2 you went over there first, do you remember?¶
23 A. what time period?¶
24 Q. Yes. As far as what year was that that you¶
75 were in school?¶
7¶
1 A. I was 14.¶
2 O. Sixteen.¶
BY MS. 0ILArONIA:¶
4 O. were you a freshman or a sophomore, do you 5 remember?¶
4 A. 1 couldn't tell you. T couldn't tell you.¶
7 rrobably a sophomore.¶
8 0. Now you said that Carolyn told you that he 9 likes massages. Did she elaborate on what types of 10 massages?¶
11 A. She ;mid sometimes he likes topless massages. 12 but you don' t have to do anything you don't want tO do. 13 He just likes massages.¶
14 Q. And do you know whether Carolyn had given him 15 massages?¶
•¶
1G A. Yeah, she said she's done it before.¶
17 Q. And do you know whether Carolyn had taken any 18 Other girle over to see )effrey?¶
19 A. YeS. :410 probably did.¶
20 Q. Did she tell how much you would make? Page 7¶
2007-04.2) TXT¶
21 A. Yes.¶
22 Q. what did she tell you?¶
73 A. we go there and we make S/00 in 30 minutes.¶
24 Q. NOW you said that you asked her, you know, what¶
75 do I need to be worried about my age. why did you ask¶
8¶
1 her that?¶
2 A UeCaUSe 1 don't want to be -- you know, it was¶
3 like I was underage- And T was young and I was pretty¶
4 stupid and I didn't want to got -- I didn't want to get¶
S in trouble, so T always made sure -- I had a fake ID.¶
6 anyways, saying that I was 18. And she just said make¶
7 sure you're 18 because ieffrey doesn't want any underage¶
8 girls,¶
9 AY AGENT RICHARDS;¶
10 Q. Now Carolyn. did she -- where did you meet her¶
11 at? In school? what setting?¶
12 A. T was at a Friend's house. my girlfriend's¶
13 house. I don't know what girlfriend's house it was.¶
14 Everybody was just hanging out. And she said -- she came¶
15 up to me and she asked me. She said, do you want to make¶
l6 4 couple bucks and I skid sure.¶
17 0. And atter the tirst time that she took you over¶
IX there to meet mr. Epstein. did she ever call you again to¶
2007-04-?5 IIIIIIIllyr¶
19 set up any appointments with him or anything like th.t'?¶
20 A. Nu.¶
21 Q. Did she ever call you on the phone is what I 'm 77 asking?¶
/I A. NO. I gave Jeffrey my number. And I said, you¶
24 know, any time you wane me to give you A massage again.¶
2S 1,11 more than welcome to.¶
9¶
BV MS, BILAFONTA:¶
2 Q. So Carolyn took you that tirst rime, hut then 3 after that you communicated directly with Jeffrey?¶
4 A. uh-huh.¶
5 Q. Tell us about that first time that you went to 6 hi5 house. who . - how did you get there?¶
7 A. One of Carolyn's friends and they dropped us¶
8 off and then we, went. YOU know, we got escorted up to 9 the massage room and he told me everything. He said, 10 Listen. 1 like massages. And ne had the whole massage I I table laid out, the lotions and everything. And she WAS 17 in there for the first like five minutes. And the first 13 time I gave him a massage, she left the rum and 1 gave 14 him a massage. And she told me. she says he likes women 15 topless massages. so I willingly the first time took off 16 my top when t gave him a massage and nothing more than 17 that. It was just a hack massage and neck mm"o9r and t Page 9¶
•¶
2007-04-25 IIIIIIIrxi¶
18 was out of there.¶
19 Q. okay. let me just ask you a couple of¶
70 fol low-up questions. You said that someone escorted you¶
21 up to the room. Do you know who that was?¶
22 A. One of -- what's her name? Actually, Sara,¶
23 Sara just said, you know, it's up there and she just told¶
24 me where it was.¶
25 O. And then you said that you and Carolyn went¶
10¶
1 upstairs together?¶
2 A. Uh-huh.¶
Q. And Carolyn Stayed in there for the first tew¶
minutes?¶
5 A. Uh-huh.¶
6 q. was Jeffrey already in the room by the time¶
7 Carolyn left?¶
A. Yeah, he was in the room.¶
t) O. Okay. Was he there when you guys showed up in 10 the room or did he come in after you were already there?¶
1] A. He was in the room already.¶
12 O. And you said that you took your top off. Did¶
13 anybody ask you to take it ott, like did Carolyn say 14 rime for you to Lake it off?¶
L5 A. No, she wasn't in the room.¶
1OO7-O4-ES TXT 16 0. my the time you took ii off. okay.¶
17 A. t said, t told ieffrey. 1 heard you like 18 massagec topless. And he's -like, yrah, he said, but you 19 don't have to do anything that you don't feel comfortable 20 with. And T said okay, hut I willingly took it off.¶
21 Q. Okay. And during that first massage. you said 22 that you gave him a shoulder and neck massage?¶
23 A. work, hack, shoulder, yeah.¶
24 O. was hp face down the entire time that he got 21> his massage?¶
11¶
1 A. Yeah.¶
2 D. And what did you do during the massage? Did 3 you talk or -.¶
•¶
4 A. yeah, we talked.¶
S q. And what would you talk about with him?¶
6 A. well, we were just getting to know each other.¶
7 we talked about how my l ifestyle teas, what he did (or a 8 living and just all positive rhinos, really nice things..¶
9 Q. okay. what was he wearing when you came 10 in the room?¶
I I A. I'm sorry. when he first -- when he first came L2 in the room, he was fully clothed. And then he <aid. you 13 know, wait a second. I'm going to go on the massage¶
14 table and he pur a towel over him itrit like it normal page .11¶
2007-04-75¶
15 masseuse would do.¶
16 Q. Did he undress and put a towel around him?¶
17 A. IN huh.¶
18 Q. okay.¶
19 A. Yeah, I didn't see anything. It was just back, TO neck and shoulders.¶
21 Q. And after the massage was over. you received¶
22 the 5200?¶
23 A. fit gives money right away.¶
24 O. 1'm sorry. was that before you starred the¶
25 massage or after the massage he gave you?¶
17¶
•¶
1 A. The First time, he gave me the money right 2 away.¶
3 Q. okay. And he's the person that paid you the 4 SZ007¶
A. Nu, it's always Sara.¶
6 O. Sara gave you the money?¶
7 A. oh-huh.¶
8 BY AGENT turitakOS:¶
9 Q. what's Sara's last name, do you know?¶
10 A. I don't know.¶
LI MR. ETSENBFOG! You can't look at papers. It¶
12 you think you know, you know. If you don'I know, --¶
2O07-04-25 iXT¶
13 THE wiTmESS: no, I don't know. 1 don't know¶
14 sara's last name. He doe...¶
15 RY MS. BILAFONIA:¶
16 q. Okay. The only thing I'm confused about is you¶
17 said that Sara didn't even take you upstairs. She just¶
18 told you where you shnuld go?¶
19 A. uh-huh.¶
20 Q. so when did she pay you thr money?¶
21 A. She paid me then and there when 1 first walked¶
- in the door, me and Carolyn.
BY AGENT. RTEHAKOS:¶
24 Q. she paid you before you went upstairs?¶
25 A. Yes.¶
13¶
•¶
1 BY MS. BILAFONIA:¶
7 Q. And how much was Carolyn paid?¶
3 A. Everybody got paid $200.¶
4 Q. And Atttir -- So after the massage was finished.¶
you said that you had already been paid. who asked you¶
6 for your name dnd telephone number?¶
7 A. Jeffrey :laid. well, I'd like to see you again.¶
8 can I have your number? From what I remember. I'm pretty¶
9 sure he asked me for my number and I gave him my number.¶
10 Q. okay.¶
11 BY AGEN4 AliNAng%: Page 13 2007-04-25 TXT¶
12 Q. Did he write it down upstairs? Ne had a pen¶
13 handy, I hope?¶
14 A. Vh-huh.¶
IS KY MS. RTLAFONIA:¶
16 O. on that first massage, you said that you worked¶
17 on him topless. Nut when you first started, did you take¶
18 what were you wearing?¶
19 A. 1 was wearing a shirt, a normal shirt and¶
ZO jeans. And I started to do a massage and I said well. I¶
21 heard you like topless massages. And, of course, he¶
77 thought I was 18. And hp's like yeah. I do. I prefer¶
2.3 that. And who wouldn't, you know? Su I said okay and¶
24 rook it off.¶
25 Q. And you took oft your bra as well?¶
14¶
•¶
1 A. Yes.¶
7 Q. And you left your jeans on?¶
3 A. YeS.¶
4 O. Okay. so you gave him a massage. Did he¶
S request you do anything special in the massage?¶
6 A. NO.¶
7 Q. And he never turned over in that first massage?¶
R A. No.¶
9 Q. Su you said that that day you gave your name¶
2007-04-25 lxi¶
10 and numher to Jeffrey. when was your next GontaCt from¶
11 him or anybody who worked for him?¶
1/ A. The next day, he had called me and he said¶
1.1 would like to come out again and I'd like to CPP you¶
14 again. I said sure. I took a taxi there and T went¶
IS there again,¶
16 Q. The following day?¶
17 A. The next day.¶
18 O. Okay. And you said that Jeffrey is the person 19 who called you for that appointment?¶
10 A. mo. Jeffrey did not. no. sara. %WA actually¶
21 cal led me. f.rom what t remember, sara actually called¶
22 me.¶
73 Q. okay. And she said Jeffrey says he wants to¶
24 5Ce you again?¶
25 A. YPS.¶
IS¶
•¶
I 0. And then you said you took a taxi?¶
A. Yes.¶
3 Q. Is that how you would normally get to and from¶
a his house!¶
5 A. Uh-huh. if I didn't have friend!: because I¶
6 don't drive, yeah.¶
BY AGENT RICHARDS:¶
S Q. mom did you get home the first time when¶
Page 15¶
7007-04-25¶
9 Carolyn rook you over? Did she get a taxi?¶
10 A. NO, our friend came back and picked us up.¶
LI O. which friend was that?¶
17 A. nis name was Brian. I don't know his last¶
13 name. J. really didn'i know Carolyn and I didn't know her¶
14 friends or whatever, but r met Jeffrey. And once 1 met¶
IS Jeffrey, he was a very awesome guy and T just -- I don't¶
lh know. I ended up giving him my number so T could r¶
17 didn't. want Carolyn or Brian to drive me anymore. I¶
18 would rather go to him on my own.¶
19 KY MS. KILAIONIA:¶
20 Q. when you would take the taxis to and from.¶
21 would he pay for them?¶
2f! A. Uh-huh.¶
23 Q. And he would pay when you arrived?¶
21 A. Uh-huh.¶
25 Q. And then he would just give you extra money¶
16¶
•¶
1 when you left to pay fur the taxi?¶
2 A. wo. nn x never asked him for extra money, so¶
3 I just paid for my own taxi.¶
4 Q. okay. Sn from the money that he paid you for¶
5 the massage?¶
6 A. Iwo hundred, yeah.¶
2OO7-O4.p, TXI¶
7 Q. where were you living at the time?¶
8 A. I was living at it's¶
9 located on Okeechobee. so I would take, you know, 10 straight Okeechobee down to where I lived.¶
11 0- Oo you remember about how much that taxi fare 12 was each way?¶
13 A. Twenty dollars.¶
t4 Q. And did you always use the same taxi service 15 or¶
16 A. No, 1 used different taxis all the time. so --¶
17 Q. And you would just call and have them come to 18 your house?¶
19 A. Uh-huh. 7 used a whole bunch of different 70 taxis, whatever is available.¶
21 Q. so you mentioned that the second massage, was 22 it any ditterent than the first one?¶
23 A. YeS.¶
24Q. How was it different?¶
75 A. when I went there, I went there by myself. And¶
17¶
•¶
1 I went up to the massage room and Jeffrey was just like¶
2 regular like he was before on his stomach and he had a¶
3 towel over and we started the massage and I had my top¶
4 off willingly. And after the massage, he asks me the¶
5 whole time. He says, Are you comfortable with me doing Page 17¶
2007.04.25¶
C. this and I said yes and he turned around. And this WAS like at the end of the massage. our 30-minutes massage. usually it was even shorter than that. And he 9 masturbated at the end of the massage and it was like two 10 seconds and 1 was just topless.¶
11 Q. And when he turned over, then did he touch you 12 at all or was he just --¶
13 A. NO. t did not touch him. Ho did not touch me. 14 He didn't even want --¶
IS Q. You didn't like continue the massage while he 16 was masturbating or anything?¶
17 A. NO.¶
IR Q. Okay. I cut you off. you said he didn't even?¶
19 A. He didn't want me to touch him and he didn't JO touch me at all.¶
21 O. nid he ever ask you to rub his chest or rub hi% 22 nipples during the massage?¶
23 A. Actually, later on -- because I saw him for a 24 long time. tater on. I asked him, you know, and I asked 25 him -- i would give him -- you know, I would rub his¶
•¶
1 chest or whatever and massage him while he was¶
masturbating. yeah.¶
3 0. Su eventually you would continue the massage¶
2007 04 25 111111iix'¶
4and he would masturbate at the same rime?¶
A. Yeah. but it wasn't on his lower arca.¶
6 Q. nn, you never touched his penis?¶
7 A. Right.¶
8 Q. Okay. so that was during the second massage.¶
9 You were paid 5200 again?¶
10 A. Always.¶
11 Q. Always? livery time you went there?¶
12 A. Always.¶
13 BY AGENT RICHARDS:¶
14 Q. Was it always Sara that paid you?¶
15 A. sometimes Jeffrey would and sometimes Sara¶
16 would.¶
17 BY MS. BILArON1A:¶
18 Q. Was it usually before or after the massage?¶
19 A. After the first time. it was always after. I¶
20 would go downstairs and T'd get paid.¶
21 Q. So just sort or tell us, when a massage ended.¶
22 which I assume was after he ejaculated?¶
73 A. H. wasn't all the time that he did, though.¶
24 Q. okay.¶
25 A. it wasn't like every time we went there he¶
19¶
•¶
1 released. sometimes he just wanted his feet massaged.¶
2 Sometimes he just wanted a back massage.¶
2007-04-25¶
3 Q. okay. But when the massage was over however it 4 ended, you would just get dressed and go downstairs by S yourself or did take you downstairs?¶
6 a. Yeah. the chef would make us food and it'd be 7 great. and Jeffrey would get dressed and he'd come down 8 with us sometimes or. you know, it wasn't we had fun. 9 It was all positive.¶
10 Q. Okay. How many massages do you think that you 11 gave Jeffrey?¶
12 A. I gave Jeffrey a lot of m4csdnes. I can't tell 13 you. 1 saw him fur a good year.¶
Q. And how many times -- would you see him weekly IS or more than once a week?¶
I1 A. veah.¶
17 Q. More than once a week?¶
18 A. I personally would or I'd bring girls.¶
19 Q. Okay. But either you would or either a girl 20 that you brought?¶
21 A. yeah, uh huh.¶
22 Q. Okay.¶
23 A. But after a while, it wasn't me anymore. I had 24 brought girls, but i got paid $200 to bring girls.¶
25 Q. Okay. Sn let's talk lust about when you were¶
3 4 2007-04-25 'III'S' i xi performing the massages. what other sorts of things would happen? you said that sometimes he would just like his feet massaged. what else would happen during those massage sessions?¶
5 A. Nothing. kverything t told you.¶
6 Q. okay. So sometimes a back massage?¶
7 8 10 11 A. sometimes he liked back massages. sometimes he like feet massages. Sometimes he like his head massaged. He liked his head massaged a lot. sometimes leg massages, yeah. And it wasn't every time that we went there he masturbated.¶
12 13 o. okay. Any idea half and halt or less than half the time that he masturbated?¶
14 Less the time he masturbated. A.¶
IS 16 17 oid you always perform topless? Did you ever Q. get completely naked towards the end or in the middle and remove all of your clothing?¶
lg 19 20 21 A. I would wear panties. willingly one time because we were making jokes and everything one time i had, yes, i was totally nude, but with it. and willingly 'I was fine¶
22 0. okay.¶
13 A. Totally fine with it.¶
14 q. And how did that massage 9n?¶
25 A. Actually, it was a foot massage and he was¶
•¶
2007-04-25 Ix'¶
2.1¶
- sitting on the =. we didn't even have the massage 2 iable out and I gave him a Foot rub and I was nude.
3 Q. And how much were you paid Fur that?¶
4 A. Two hundred every single time.¶
5 D. Did he at any point kiss you. touch you, show 6 any kind of affection towards you?¶
7 A. Never, never.¶
8 Q. okay.¶
9 to, AGENT RICHARDS:¶
AO Q. why not?¶
11 A. why not? why would he?¶
12 Q. You seem like a nice young lady, attractive.¶
13 He never had any urges to --¶
14 A. I asked him, 1 said, when are you going to get 15 married? when arc you going to get married, Jeffrey? He 16 said, I'm never getting married. He has, you know,¶
17 beautiful women all the time. why would he -- no, 18 huh-uh.¶
KY MS. KItAFONIA:¶
20 Q. He never nulled you closer In him in a sexual El way?¶
27 A. I wish. No, no, never, ever, ever, no, never.¶
23 )effrcy is an awesome man, no.¶
74 Q. Okay. Now you said that at some poinr you¶
25 started bringing other girls over?¶
2007 04 25 -•TXT¶
12¶
A. -huh.¶
2 Q. HOW did that start?¶
3 A. He likes to see different faces.¶
4 Q. 'o he asked you if you had friends that you 5 could bring over or other girls?¶
6 A. •-huh.¶
7 Q. And how did you decide who you would ask to 8 come over?¶
9 A. Al l of my good-looking girlfriends and if they 10 had friends. It's all abnur, you know, we were jusl 11 making money and Jeffrey is an awesome guy. we just, you 12 know -- t would tell my girlfriends just like Carolyn 13 approached me. make sure you tell him you're 18. welt, 14 these girls chat 1 brought, I know that they were 18 or 15 19 or 20. And the girls that t didn't know and 11 don't 16 know it they were lying or not, I would say make sure 17 that you tell him you're IS.¶
18 O. okay. What exactly would you tell them about 19 what would happen after you got to the house?¶
20 A. I. said he likes massages, but he prefers 21 topless massages. BUT if you're nut comfortable, then 22 don't do it and it won't matter.¶
23 O. And did any of them tell you what happened 24 after that?¶
25 A. Always, always, even asked them.¶
2007-04-25 IIIIIIIIkixr¶
23¶
1 Q. Okay. And with the other girls, was it the 2 same as what you did or different?¶
3 A. Yeah, yeah. Y. mean, well, t was more willingly 4 to do more. you know. Like I said, t went nude for him¶
one time. But the other girls. they practically wort. -¶
6 topless and that's all that they were willing to do.¶
7 some girls didn't want to go topless and Jeffrey didn't¶
8 mind.¶
9 Q. were there girls that you brought back multiple JO times?¶
11 A. A couple, a couple, but he really liked to see 12 different faces.¶
13 Q. okay. I'm just wondering are there some girls¶
14 he really liked and others he didn't like or did he have¶
IS any preferences in terms of blondes, brunettes?¶
16 A. He liked girls like me.¶
17 O. Okay. Thin and attractive?¶
18 A. V ge0S4. WON, very attractive women. And he 19 didn't say girls. He said women all the time.¶
20 Q. Did you ever bring anybody he didn't care for?¶
71 A. Huh-uh.¶
22 Q. Yeah?¶
23 A. Yeah.¶
24 (.1. now was she different than the others?¶
25 A. Biack. i screwed up.¶
2007-04-25 1XT¶
24¶
1 Q. How did you know you screwed up?¶
7 A. He doesn't like black women, obviously.¶
3 Q. so he let you know? we told you that?¶
4 A. Yeah. but he wac dill nice and he still gave 5 her her 200 even though he didn't even have a massage by 6 her,¶
7 O. How did he -- he paid you 5200 for bringing each girl?¶
9 A. tib-huh.¶
10 Q. And when he told you that. I mean, that's what 11 he told you that he would pay you 5700 for bringing the 12 girls?¶
13 A. Yeah. He said if you bring me -- if you bring 14 me girls, T'll definitely, you knew, give you money, 15 compensate you for your time and willing to do that for 16 me, yeah.¶
17 0. And you said at that point you stopped 1.8 performing massages for him?¶
19 A. At. that point, 1 didn't -- it would he 20 sporadically like. Usually. T had so many girlfriends at 21 the time that. you know. there were some new faces to be. 22 saw. And if no one was avai lable, then T would go.¶
23 Q. I got you.¶
24 A.¶
25 Q. Do you know some of the girls that you brought.¶
7007-04-75 TXT¶
ZS¶
1 some of the their names?¶
2 A. 1 don't remember. really. They were like not even friends. They were just associates, you know. If 4 anything, they'd he friends of friends, so no.¶
S Q. we have -- I don't know. we have some messages 6 I guess that some girls' names that would call Jeffrey 7 and leave a massage. There's some girls names that are 8 referenced. we were just wondering if you knew them?¶
9 A. If you name them. i can probably remember.¶
10 MS. BILArONIA: Jason, do you have that?¶
11 BY AGENT RICHARDS:¶
12 Q. V is one.¶
13 A. I don't know v_. Du you know her 14)t 1.4 name?¶
.15 MS. BILARONTA: We were hoping you did.¶
lfi THE WITNESS: Nn, I don't.¶
12 BY AGENT RICHARDS:¶
18 O.¶
19 A. NO, that sounds like a black girl's 70 name.¶
21 Q. Wel l. you brought a black girl. what was her 1? name?¶
Zi A. I don't know. uon't ask me.¶
21 0. CIIIIII' • Page ZO . 2S 2007 04 25 .)xi A. S yeah, T brought $¶
•¶
•¶
26¶
1 Q. who is she? 'el l us about 2 A. we look just alike, if that's the girl 3 I'm thinking about. we went to school together and I 4 brought her one time and then she ended up moving sn she S couldn't come with me.¶
6 Q. were you guys in the same grade or --¶
7 A. No, she was older than me.¶
8 Q. A year or [WO?¶
9 A. she was -- Actually, she was like 18. I don't 10 know. she was older. She was like, you know, two ranks, 11 two grades ahead of me.¶
12 Q. So when you were a sophomore. she was a senior?¶
13 A. I just met her in school and I told her.¶
14 BY MS. BILAFONIA:¶
15 Q. What wa% her last name?¶
16 A. I don't know.¶
17 BY AGENT RICHARDS:¶
18 q. po you know whore she lived? A. I just 19 met her in school and I told her about it.¶
20 Q. You told her about it at school? is that where 21 your discussion was or --¶
22 A. Well, I said give leo your ;lumber. T said you¶
Z3 <an make a couple of dollars. it's real easy. And if Page 27¶
•¶
2007-04.25¶
21 you're comfortable with it, give me a call.¶
25 Q. WAS that at school or at a party?¶
27¶
1 A. NO, at school.¶
2 Q. At school. You're not sure what her last name¶
3 was?¶
4 A. I have no idea.¶
5 O. on you know where she lived or anything like¶
6 that, what car she drove?¶
7 A. No.¶
S Q. what'd she look like?¶
9 A. what she looked like?¶
1O Q. Yeah.¶
11 A. Like me, everything. blonde hair, blue eyes.¶
17 (Start Side I's of tape.)¶
11 AGENT RICHARDS: Time recorder is being¶
14 restarted is approximately e:SP p.m¶
li BY MS. BILAFONIA:¶
16 Q. we were talking about S . You were at¶
17 High at the time?¶
18 A. No, 1 was al¶
19 Q. okay.¶
20 A. And That's where 5 went to school¶
21 o. What about a girl named a¶
2007-04-25 IllillitxT 12 A. u who?¶
13 BY MANI RICHARDS:¶
24 O. old you bring A ellillIF¶
25 A. 1 brought a couple a.¶
tit¶
1 Q. I want to know about every one you brought.¶
2 A. well, one of them died recently, so --¶
3 Q. what was her name? In a car accident or 4 something?¶
A. No, she died. Unfortunately, she got shot in¶
6 the head. you guys probably heard it on the news. She¶
7 got shot in the head by this guy. X don't wens lo kr/en 8 talk about it because cry.¶
9 MY MS. MILAVONIA:¶
10 Q. Let's talk about the other e¶
11 A. 2 don't even know. I don't know. I don't¶
12 know. There were some girls that just I would take one¶
11 time and then I would never talk to again, so I don't¶
11 know.¶
15 0. How many girls do you think you brought to¶
IG Jeffrey's house?¶
17 A. That's a 9otad question. I bring a lot, like¶
18 maybe I don't know, maybe 30. maybe 30. It was all¶
19 about the money TO me at that time.¶
•¶
20 (1. Now any of the girls that you brought, did any Page 29¶
2007-04-25¶
71 of them leave their names and numbers and then they would 77 get appointments directly from Jeffrey or did they always 23 go through you?¶
2'1 A. They went through me, hopefully.¶
2S Q. So you don't know?¶
29¶
1 BY AGtNI RICNARDS:¶
Q. YOU weren't getting paid, right?¶
3 A. I told them, T Said. Don't give him your number.¶
5 HY MS. BILAFONIA:¶
6 O. It you brought the same girl more than once, 7 would you get paid each time you brought them or just get 8 the initial $2007¶
9 A. Every single time I brought a girl, okay, or 1 10 reterred a girl. T always got 1200, always.¶
11 Q. Even if she came a second time?¶
12 A. Yes.¶
13 O. You would get $200 every time she came?¶
t4 A. Yes.¶
15 Q. Good deal. okay. what about '¶
1fi A. c who?¶
17 Q. Any c that you brought to Mr. rpslein's IS house.¶
100/12L4IJIIIIIILIA1 19 A. I brought a as= 40 Q. C where did she go to school? 2t A. she didn't go to school. 22 Q. okay. now did you know a 13 A. C • been my -- she's my friend 24 past. How did I meet 411115 at a party or she was my )5 -- Actually, she was my baby's father's girlfriend at the in the¶
2 3 4 6 7 8 9 I0 time and I met her at a party. Q. You Jeffrey's house? A. uh-huh. asked her if she'd be wil ling to go to Q. And when -- do you remember have been? A. Actually, a couple weeks, remember her. A couple weeks after O. So you brought her pretty lefirey? 11 A. uh-huh. 12 Q. And how old was 11 A. seventeen, 17. 14 O. And what happened when you brought 15 A. The same thing. 16 Q. okay. well. I know that sometimes 17 that the girls would tell you what happened? Page 31 when that would a couple weeks. I do met him. soon after you met you said¶
30¶
2007-04-25¶
18 A. she went in rhere. she had a massage -- she 19 gave a massage on his back. she went a couple times. lie /0 liked her. she went a couple times. The first time she 21 told me that he didn't it was just like me the first 22 time. He didn't climax at al l, nothing happened. It was 23 just a massage. And then she went, I chink, like two 24 times after that. And yeah, he masturbated, but no 75 touching. she didn't -- there's no touching of him. No¶
31¶
•¶
1 touching of her. None of my girls ever had a problem and 2 they'd call me. They'd beg me. you know, for us to go to 3 teffrey's house because they love Jeffrey. Jeffrey i5 a 4 respectful man. He really is. I mean, and he all thought we were of age, always. this is what's so sad 6 about it.¶
7 Q. wow would -- how would you make appointments 8 for girls to go over there?¶
9 A. 1 4 dcall them and they'd say hi, do you want to 1.0 go to Jeffrey's house? And they'd Say ycS or nn and we'd 11 call a taxi.¶
17 Q. How would you know when leffrey was going to be t3 in town?¶
14 A. when leffrey was in town, Sara would call me.¶
IS Q. Did she always call when they were already in¶
4007-04-25 TXT¶
16 town or would ♦he -- how far in advance would she call 1/ you?¶
18 A. They only called me when they were in Palm 19 Beach. They never called me from anywhere. they've 20 never called me from anywhere else. Tt was always when I 71 was in Palm Beach. They'd say hi, we're down here. If 72 you want to come and see Jeffrey. you're more than 73 welcome to.¶
24 Q. So you wouldn't have like a specitic time when 7S you would go over. like be here at 11 or be here at two?¶
32¶
•¶
1 A. well, I'd tell them. I'd say -- well, T mean, 2 I'd have to work around his schedule. He'd have to work 3 around mine. veah, we'd say I'll he there ar three. I'll be there at four, whatever.¶
S Q. oo you -- I know that you said you talked to 6 sara on the phone. was there anybody else that you would 7 talk to on the phone?¶
6 A. it Jeffrey wasn't there like it J'd call him to 9 see how he was doing or whatever, you know, he had -- his chef would Answer the phone. HiS maid would answer the 11 phone. That's --¶
I? O. Rut was Sara the only one you talked to ahoul 13 making appointments?¶
14 A. uh-huh. yeah. well, yeah. if Jeffrey wasn't Page 33¶
2007-04-25 S rxi¶
1'. available, they'd, you know, he said, the chef or you It) know, whoever, said Jeffrey will get hack to you. Yeah, 17 Sara made the appointments.¶
13 Q. So when you were calling to talk to )effrey. 19 you were calling the house phone over in Palm Beach?¶
20 A. S -huh, yeah.¶
71 Q. And how often would you talk to leffrey on the 2% phone as opposed to talking to one of his assistants?¶
73 A. Me and )effrey hardly ever talked on the phone.¶
24 Ne was always busy. It was mostly Sara. we'd talk when 25 1 would get there, you know. So it was like hey, do you¶
33¶
want to t.ome in? Yrs, cool, you know. Come there, no. 2 cool, bye.¶
3 Q. Do you know someone who works for Jeffrey named 4 Nadia?¶
•¶
S A. I chink I met her one time.¶
6 Q. And what do you know about her?¶
7 A. She was there. And the person Nadia, I think,¶
8 t'm not positive, okay. I'm pretty sure she said that¶
9 she's from New York and she travels with Jeffrey. but I¶
10 think I met her one time, if that's the girl that rings¶
11 the bell, you know, in my head. Nadia 7 think is that¶
12 one person t mel one time.¶
1007 04-25 Du¶
13 q. Now you said that you had teased J'effrey about 14 whether he was getting married. Did you ever know him to 15 have a girlfriend or a steady?¶
16 A. NO, he told me he's never been married. ne's 17 never had a girlfriend and he doesn't want in have a IS girlfriend.¶
19 D. were you ever asked to bring a girl for someone 20 else like to give a massage to somebody else or to anyone 21 ocher than leffrey7¶
22 A. No. I gave Sara a massage before.¶
23 D. And how often did that happen?¶
24 A. i only gave Sara a massage like once or twice, 25 once or twice, nor that often.¶
34¶
•¶
1 O. Rut anybody else. either any friends that were ? in town or --¶
3 A. NO. See, my mother is a masseuse and i have 4 experience massaging and he always liked my massages. So 5 he told Sara about my massages and she said, yeah, .1 want 6 a massage so I'd go over there. I think it was one or 7 two times and I gave her a massage.¶
8 Q. Now when the girls were upstairs with Jeffrey 9 in the bedroom, what would you do?¶
10 A. the chef would make me carved tomatoes. put 11 some crab moat in it and l'd just eat, wine and dine. Tr Page 35¶
200/-04-25 IXI¶
12 was wonderful, (Feat.¶
13 Q. And when you would talk to the chef --¶
14 A. YV...¶
15 O. -- would anybody else from the house he there?¶
l6 A. Yes. t don't know !heir names. I can't¶
17 remember. there were like all these foreign girls from¶
18 -- like they're beautiful, beautiful models that are from¶
19 different -- they have accents. And no, but it was real¶
20 interesting because we'd talk. And, you know, T'd learn¶
21 a lot from them and they'd learn a lot from me just being¶
22 American. And no. every time. I went there it was a good¶
23 time. And i usually just are or I'd go and suntan or¶
24 something near the pool.¶
25 Q. And how long ynu would the other girl he¶
35¶
1 upstairs normally?¶
2 A. Twenty, 25. 20 to 30 minutes.¶
3 RY AGENT RICHARDS:¶
4 Q. each to C wM, is there anything else¶
5 about her that you can remember? YOU were friends with¶
6 her. She went three limes, you think? Did she go back¶
7 without going through you to set up any appointments that¶
8 you know About')¶
9 A. I don't know. • Page 36¶
2007-04-25 IIIIIIIm 10 Q. Okay. were there any other that you 11 brought? I know you brought other la or multiple 12 KIIIIIIF-13 A. Yeah. I don't know. Tt you would say like a 14 last name, then i would probably remember. but I don't. 35 Q. Any a? Did you bring a 16 A. GM. yeah, that sounds familiar. Yeah, All 17 ES yeah. 18 Q. CIMIEW 10 A. Uh-huh. 20 O. whdi can you tell me about her? How uld was 21 she? 22 A. she's older than me. 23 Q. uo you knuw her from school or -- 24 A. No where did i meet her? I met her in my 25 neighborhood and I asked her if she wanted to go and¶
36¶
•¶
1 yeah. She was only there one time, though. 2 Q. Did she tell you how it went with him upstairs? 3 A. yeah. 4 Q. what'd she say? A. She said -- she's like *I. I don't know. 6 Q. She freaked out or something? 7 A. No, no, but he didn't want her again. He likes 8 rail, ,:lender and she was like short. Page 37¶
2007-04 25 Tyr¶
9 0. What did she say about him?¶
10 A. She had fun.¶
11 0. the had fun?¶
12 A. ph-huh.¶
13 O. What did she say happened up there?¶
14 A. she was topless and just gave a massage. He 15 didn't, you know. climax or anything.¶
16 By MS, BILArnmIA:¶
17 Q. Did you ever. either when you gave him a 18 massage or any of the girls, did you ever use a big back 19 massager or it was only manual massage?¶
20 A. No, it was only my hands. we never used 21 anything else.¶
22 Q. Now when you were working for him, when you 23 were going over to Jeffrey's house to give massages, did 24 you have a boyfriend?¶
25 A. Yeah, yeah.¶
37¶
I. Q. okay. How did he feel about you going to aeffrey'S house?¶
3 A. fie was a jealous little boy, but he didn't 4 care. Bring home the bacon.¶
O. what's your boyfriends?¶
6 A. Q • Page 38 2007-04-25¶
7 Q. Now 7 know you that you mentioned that you had¶
14 a baby. is that the baby's father?¶
9 A. NU, no, thank god.¶
10 u. who is the baby's father?¶
11 A.¶
12 0. Okay, 3 And were you still (wino 13 to J'effrey's when you were pregnant?¶
14 A. I would bring girls there when I was pregnant.¶
IS 0. so did -- so did 7 have concerns about 16 what you were doing at Jeffrey's house?¶
17 A. NO, he talked to Jeffrey over the phone.¶
18 Jeffrey actually threw me my baby shower and he got me 19 furniture and a nice rattle for my son and just really 20 nice things, I love mammy frames.¶
21 g. was the shower at his house and did he attend?¶
22 A. NO, nu, at my house, at my house. And no, 13 Jeffrey wasn't there. He just sent Sara to bring me¶
24 gifts for the baby.¶
25 0. II, okay.¶
3$¶
•¶
1 BY AGrNT ructiArtos:¶
2 Q. Did ) ever go over there with you?¶
3 A. NU.¶
4 Q. He stayed away.¶
A. NO. he didn't. go, no. rage 39¶
2007-0425¶
6 RY MS. RTIAFONIA:¶
7 O. Did Jeffrey ask you about boyfriends? I mean,¶
a was he furious about --¶
9 A. Yeah, we always talked about everything, yeah.¶
.10 Do you have a boyfriend, yeah, nn. you know. we talked¶
11 like friends. I don't know. lust about our lite¶
12 stories. You know, he probably knows my whole life¶
13 story.¶
14 Hv AGENT RICHARDS:¶
15 O. NOW do you still have contact with him or¶
16 A. who?¶
17 O. Jeffrey.¶
1K A. No. no One's allowing me.¶
19 Dv MS. AILARINIA:¶
20 Q. Did he know that you wanted to be a model or¶
21 that's what you were aspiring to be?¶
22 A. YCS. I told him. Yes, I've always wanted to be¶
23 a model, yes.¶
24 O. Did he ever say he'd help you?¶
25 A. uh-huh, yeah. And 1 was -- like I wid, 1 was¶
39¶
lb at the time and I telt -- like he said, you know, you¶
can -- 1 will definitely take you and bring you to New¶
vork and everything because he had models there, but 1¶
2007-04-15 TXT¶
4 always turned it down because I was 16 and I didn't want S that to get out.¶
6 Q. What did you say to him? now did you put him 7 off?¶
A A. 1 don't know. II, well, I don't know. NO, he 9 wasn't like begging me or anything. He asked me a couple .10 times and 1 said -- 1 just -- there was like no say about 11 it. I just -- I didn't yo. And it wasn't like he asked 12 me all the time. He just it's a couple times he asked. 13 He said i'll briny you to New York or whatever we do and 14 we can, you know, try to fulfill your dreams, but 15 always said no because 1 was young and I didn't want to 16 screw up the 18 thing.¶
17 0. Did -- when you got pregnant, did he react in 18 any wdy? 7 mean, did he tell you if you want to be a 19 model, you know, this is going to mess with your chances 20 as a model or otter any --¶
21 A. NO.¶
22 O. I'm wondering like how much was he giving you 23 advice? now much stuff were you really -- what did you 24 talk about?¶
25 A. After the baby, we didn't really even talk.¶
40¶
•¶
Was A was totally -- I changed. You know, 1 was a bad¶
2 little girl and I totally changed. My whole lite Page 41¶
•¶
•¶
2007 04-25 .TX1¶
3 changed. A couple times after 1 had the baby, 1 brought 4 a couple girls there. It was like two times. And then 5 me and Jeffrey really stopped talking. we just stopped talking. I had my own life and he had his. so 1 don't know.¶
8 BY AGENT RICHARDS:¶
9 Q. Did hr ever make any arrangements knowing that )0 you wanted to be a model or were modeling? He has a lot Al of connections with photographers and stuff. I mean, did 12 he ever set up any photo shoots or anything like that?¶
13 A. No. NO. because he asked me if I would like to 14 go to pursue what r wanled to do, but like I said, for 15 the second time -'¶
16 Q. I mean in town herr, not to travel to New York 17 for a shoot or anything?¶
18 A. No. No, because t always like stood back from 19 that because t didn't want him to know that I was 16. 20 BY MS. BILAFONIA:¶
21 Q. Did you ever yet money from Jeffrey when you 22 didn't either give a •tsage or bring a girl over?¶
23 A. YeS.¶
74 Q. Okay. when did that happen?¶
25 A. f had to pay rent and I was late on my rent.¶
2007.04 25 l=.1 -XT¶
1 This was before the haby. An I asked him -- I asked him¶
7 for like 300. He gave me ¶500. t don't -- I couldn't¶
3 tell you how 1 got it. If anything. I think I went to 4 the house and got it.¶
5 O. was he there when you went to gel the money?¶
6 A. NO.¶
7 O. Do you know was he in town or did you call him?¶
8 A. I don't even -. I can't remember, but I just remember he did give me ¶500 for rent.¶
10 Q. was that the only time that he gave you money it that wasn't connected either to a massage or to bringing 12 a girl?¶
13 A. HC bought gifts for the baby shower. t can't 14 remember now. Not tiff the top of my head, no. I never 15 asked him for anything because I just felt -- I'm not 16 like that, you know. I'm not a user and I'm not -- 17 don't like that. I've never asked him for money, so --¶
18 Q. what about presents, either birthday presents? 19 you mentioned gifts tor the baby. Any other gifts that 20 he gave you?¶
21 A. yeah, he gave me a -- he had went to Brazil and 22 he came back with a whole bunch of bikinis and he told me 23 to choose one. so T chose one.¶
24 Q. Any other gifts. Christmastime or birthdays or 25 anything like that?¶
•¶
2007-04-ES¶
42¶
1 A. No.¶
2 Q. Did he give any of your friends that you¶
3 brought gifts?¶
4 A. Yeah, the girl who died. B-. De gave her¶
5 a bathing suit, too, from Brasil.¶
6 Q. we have some telephone numbers that we wanted¶
7 to ask you about.¶
8 BY AGENT RICHARDS:¶
9 Q. )ust to see if you recognize these or if you¶
10 ever used any of those numbers that might have been old¶
11 telephone numbers for you at come point. T don't know¶
12 how many cell phones you may have had through the years.¶
13see if you recognize any of ihose.¶
14 A. was my number.¶
15 BY MS. BitAFONTA:¶
16 Q. What was 4IIIII.s number?¶
17 A. s?¶
18 Q. Yeah.¶
19 A. What. my baby's father?¶
70 Q. Yeah.¶
21 A. never knew his. Always T just, you know.¶
22 called him and I never knew his number.¶
23 BY AGENT RICHARDS:¶
24 Q. It was programmed in your phone?¶
25 A. Yeah. so l don't know. T just know El¶
•¶
2007-04-2S IIIIIIIIfxr¶
43¶
1 be(ausP that was my old number like a long time ago.¶
2 NY MS. BILAFONIA:¶
3 Q. Ar the time that you ware bringing girls over¶
4 to the house, were you also working a regular job?¶
5 A. I worked at City Pizza for a little while. hut¶
6 no, kind of retired and splurged. T didn't have any¶
7 hills to pay. I saved. I put. money in the hank. so -- 8 Q. We had talked about C wM before. Do¶
9 you know someone named C IIII¶
10 A. C is uh huh.¶
11 Q. And who is that?¶
17 A. I brought her a couple times. who is that? 13 Q. I mean, did you go to school with her or how¶
14 did you know her?¶
15 A. I had asked one of my friends. I said do 16 you have any -- It was a guy friend. I said do you have I7 any girls that are willing to give massages and I met up 18 with her. i called her. I talked to her on the phone.¶
19 1 met up with her and she said yeah, cool.¶
20 Q. And you said you took her over there A couple¶
21 of times?¶
22 A. Yeah. she went over there more. She went over¶
/3 there more than a couple times.¶
24 Q. DUI you brought her every time that she went¶
15 over there?¶
• Page 45¶
•¶
2007 04-25 =M.TXT¶
44¶
A. That I know of. That I know of, yeah.¶
2 0. okay. Did you ever tell any of the girls that they would be going nver to model lingerie?¶
4 A. No. I told them we were going to go )effrey's S house and it's going to be a topless massage pretty much. 6 Anything you don't want to do, you don't have to do and 7 it's S200, badda-bing, badda-boom. you make 5200 in 30 8 minutes.¶
9 Q. Did any of the girls complain about what 10 happened after they left there?¶
11 A. NO. You asked me that question. No. everybody 12 loved Jeffrey.¶
13 q. No one called you and said, I think that you 14 should call -- I think that we should call the police?¶
15 A. No.¶
16 O. No one told you that?¶
17A. Nu, no, II, my Cod. And who is that coming 18 From?¶
19 O. we just have phone calls that seem in 20 contradict what you're telling us?¶
21A. II, so you think that people came to me and 22 said that i'm to call the police on Jeffrey?¶
23er AGENT RICHARDS:¶
24 Q. WAS there anyone that thought that what mr. 25 Lpstein was doing was inappropriate and was concerned¶
•¶
•¶
2007-04-2S¶
45¶
1 about that?¶
A. every girl that I brought to Jeffrey. they said 3 they were Fine with it. And like, for instance, c¶
c4III, a lot of girls begged me In bring them 5 back. They wanted to come beck for the money. And as 6 far as J know, we all had fun there. We ate all the 7 food. He gave us free bikinis. No. nothing about any 8 cops.¶
9 0. I seen, was there anyone that thought what he 10 was doing may have been a little bit wrong? Not wanting 11 to report to the police, but just saying. you know, 12 that's kind of weird?¶
13 A. we talked about it like because we were 14 underage, but he thought that we were 18. we were like 15 hopeful ly that no one finds out. Hopefully, Jeffrey 16 doesn't find out our age. But other than that. not i7 calling the cops.¶
IN BY MS. tttAeomIA:¶
19 0. Was anybody upset that he was masturbating? I 20 know that you said you told them that they would possibly 21 do the massage topless. They might have expected that. 22 was somebody shocked --¶
/3 A. yeah. of course. I mean, he always told [hem, /4 okay, and J told them, loo. I said if you're going to go '15 there, then you don't have to do anything that you're not¶
2001 04, 25 TXT¶
46¶
•¶
•¶
1 comfortable with. A couple girls when they did rome out 2 of there. they're l ike II, my God, I wasn't expecting all 3 of that, but he always asked them and I asked them. 4 they'd say that, you know, he asked me arc you comfortable with this and they'd say yes. maybe they 6 were scared, who know:. But yeah, they came out of there 7 like U. my trod. that was kind of weird, you know, yeah.¶
8 O. Were any of them upset about it?¶
9 A. BD they like regret it or something?¶
10 BY AGCNT olcuARDS:¶
11 Q. )ust shaken up, you know, just kind of shocked?¶
12 A. A couple of girls well, see. we were so 13 young and Jeffrey didn't know that. Like the whole thing 14 was shooken up when I brought them there. And see, I 15 don't know. T thought that they were, you know, most of 16 the girls that i did bring there, they were 18. 19. 20. J7 But I remember there was a couple times that I had 18 brought like maybe 16 year olds or something, my age. 19 And they - - 1 don't know. It's like they were scared to 20 say that they were 18. They were like what if he finds 2.1 out? And they were a little shook up about that, the age 22 thing. But and afterwards like if he climaxed or 23 whatever, it they were like shocker/ up, I'm like it's 24 okay, you know. And they were like II. J wasn't¶
?002 04-.25 IllipluxT¶
25 expecting that. but they told le rey that, you know,¶
47¶
1 they were comfortable with it. if anything, you know. 2 maybe they were scared and they felt like obligated, like 3 they didn't want to say. T was thinking that they didn't 4 want to say like no. you know, 1 don't want to do that, 5 so who knows. 1 wasn't up there with them. so I couldn't 6 tell you.¶
7 BY AGENT RicitAnos:¶
B Q. who were the ladies who mentioned that to you 9 who were kind of shocked?¶
10 A. usually, the girls that 1 would bring like one 11 time and 1 wouldn't even see them again.¶
12 Q. Can you help me out with some names, though?¶
13 A. Huh-uh. no. 1 can't remember her name. She's 14 on the top of my • Ili my cod. 1 don't remember. 1 15 can't remember.¶
16 BY MS. RItArONIA'¶
17 0. None of the girls wanted to go to the 18 authorities? Nobody was that upset that called you or 19 spoke to you that was upset eith what had happened to the 70 point that they wanted to report it?¶
21 A. No, no. If anything, thank you, Tile so much 22 because I really cnuld use the money.¶
7.3 BY Ala-N1 RICHARDS:¶
2007.04 is TXT¶
24 Q. Do you know the names of some ot the girl-z. that 25 you brought?¶
48¶
•¶
1 A. Huh?¶
2 Q. DO you know the name ot some of the girls you 3 brought other than the ones that we've talked about right 4 now?¶
5 A. like t said. I can't remember because usually 6 there --¶
7 Q. There's about 30 of them, co you've got to 8 know --¶
9 A. NO, I don't know because there were girls that 10 I didn't even know so, you know. T just asked them. I 11 said. Hey, would you like to make some money' Here's my 12 number. Do you want to make money? Here's my number, 13 you know, and that's how it went. So I don't remember 14 the names and t real ly didn't tare lo know their names. 15 anyway.¶
16 Q. Do you know their phone numbers?¶
17 A. NOW?¶
18 Q. Yeah.¶
19 A. NO.¶
70 O. DO you know any of their phone numbers?¶
21 A. No, no, no. that was years ago.¶
2007-04-25 IIIIIIII[Ixt 22 Q. we're just trying to Find any other ladies out Z3 there that we haven't already seen and you brought 3O of 24 them and we're just trying to 25 A. I don't know if T brought .10 of them.¶
49¶
•¶
I O. Approximate?¶
2 A. Yeah. No. I have no clue. no idea.¶
3 BY MS. sitAFONIA:¶
4 Q. Did you stay in touch with any of the girls 5 that you brought?¶
6 A. Huh-uh.¶
7 Q. ale any of the girls that we've 8 talked about? Did you ever when you were either bringing 9 girls nr when you were giving massages. did you ever 10 drink anything or take any drugs, whether it was 11 prescription drugs?¶
12 A. I heard this on the news. no. It's ridiculous.¶
13 Q. vou never took any drugs?¶
14 A. Never.¶
15 O. Did any of the girls take drugs? Did you know 16 that they were talking drugs?¶
17 A. There was no alcohol. ihere was no drugs, no.¶
18 Q. None of the girls that you brought were using 19 drugs?¶
ZO A. NO.¶
2007-04-2SIIIIIIItxl¶
- Q. And just so you know, 1M, we're not talking 22 about necessari ly crack cocaine. we're wondering if 73 anybody was taking any prescription medication? 24 A. I don't know if they were taking prescription 25 medication. that's their problem. I don't know.
50¶
•¶
•¶
1 O. And you didn't give anybody else any 2 prescription drugs? 3 A. No, no. When I was 16, t smoked pot, but nn. 4 (Start of Tape 2.) 5 MR. EISENBERG: okay, gang, back nn the record. 6 And 1 assume you mean prescription medication not 7 for prescription purposes? 8 tut witNESs: I thought you meant like for 9 prescription, prescribed. No, I don't know. 10 AGENT RICHARDS: okay. 11 BY MS. BILAEON/A: 12 Q- But you weren't taking any anti-depressants or 11 pills nr anything? 14 A. No. no, I just smoked pot. Hut I mostly wean! 15 there sober. t was comfortable with Jeffrey. Jeffrey 16 always made me feel so comfortable. I thought I was a 17 big girl. I was 18. IS Q. You said that you stopped. why did you stop¶
2007-04-25 TXT 19 going over there? YOU said you at a baby and you 20 changed? 21 A. yeah. 22 Q. what happened? 23 A. rverything changed in my life. everything. t 24 ended up getting a job and I just stopped. I just 2S stopped. I don't know.¶
51¶
•¶
1 Q. Rut if you felt so comfortable. why did you 2 stop going over there? 3 A. T just stopped because I have a son now and T 4 didn't feel like it was right. First off, I was d 5 Stay-at-home mommy, okay. And what am I going to do, 6 bring my son over there to Ieffrey's, no. you know, so I 7 focused on my son. I had a beautiful baby boy that was 8 my pride and joy. I didn't care for anything else. 9 didn't care to tell friends. I dropped all my friends. 10 Like he asked me do T have any numbers, no, you know. TI 11 anybody does call me, that's my mother. Like it was just 12 me and my baby boy and it's been like that ever since. 13 Fly AGM RICHARD}: 14 Q. flaying a baby is a life-changing experience. 15 isn't it? 16 A. flaying a baby? 17 O. yes. it's hull-time. eage 53¶
2007 04 25 TXT¶
IR A. Awesome, I love it. I love it.¶
19 Q. yeah, he'll be two in August.¶
20 A. mine will be two in June.¶
21 BY MS. BILAUDNIA:¶
22 Q. is that when you started working with the¶
23 company you're working for now?¶
24 A. well. T was -- the whole time I was pregnant. I¶
25 was taken care of by my baby's father. Then I was a¶
•¶
•¶
52¶
1 stay at-home mommy for eight months. After that. I 2 worked at to fitness, Romeo Pizza. It's been a year now. 3 And what do you mean, is that why I'm working?¶
4Q. NO. T just didn't know where you were working.¶
5 I thought you said you had gotten a job afterwards, after 6 the baby was horn?¶
7 A. veah, I worked at the laundromat for a couple¶
8 of days. 7 just like to -- I wanted to soak in my son.¶
9 That's 411 7 did and 7 was like a hermit crab in the¶
10 house, you know. And if anybody -- I told -- I told¶
11 Sara. I said, you know, 1 have a baby now and you know,¶
12 I'd rather stay at home with my baby. My old man WAS¶
13 taking tare of me. I didn't care about money.¶
14 Everything was good, so d new life.¶
15 RV AGENT RICHARDS:¶
2007.0.4 25 rx7 16 Q. Speaking of work, w en you set up appointments¶
17 with Sara, did she refer to what the girls were doing as¶
18 work, like would they go over to ieftrey's to work for¶
t9 massage or --¶
20 A. No.¶
21 Q. -- how did she -- were any terms used or just¶
22 in general' Did she ask you it you had any girls that¶
23 can work or did you have any girls that can come over?¶
74 Do you have any girls that can give a Jeffrey a massage?¶
25 How did she ask tor these appointments?¶
•¶
53¶
•¶
1 A. Ail of the above: Do you have any girls that¶
2 would like to come over? Do you have any girls that¶
3 would like to work? Yeah, all of the above, really. I¶
4 mean, me and Sara were really -- it's like a friend¶
relationship. She's fun. No. it wasn't like a specific¶
6 like hey, you know, du yOu want to come over and work,¶
7 no. It was all different: massage, work, whatever.¶
H Q. okay.¶
9 BY MS. BIIAFONIA:¶
10 Q. You said that you and sara had developed a¶
11 friendly relationship. Did Sara ever tell you what types¶
12 of girls Jeffrey wanted or 1 think you said that¶
13 sometimes she would say he likes this girl or I'm sorry.¶
14 he likes this girl?¶
Page S5¶
•¶
•¶
7007 04-15 TXT¶
15 A. Yeah.¶
16 Q. what exactly -- what guidance did she give you 17 about recruiting the girls?¶
18 A. She didn't give me guidance. Jeffrey from the I) get-go, I really like women like you. So when I would go 20 searching to make money or whatever or my girlfriends. 21 know what an attractive person looks like and 1 would -- 22 I would bring them, you know. I didn't bring any 73 overweight people. I just knew what Tettrey liked, you 24 know.¶
25 Q. Did you ever talk to Sara massages when you¶
54¶
1 gave them, what you did, what you would do?¶
2 A. Huh-oh. 1 didn't know it she knew or not.¶
3 Q. T have a picture of someone and I'm just¶
4 wondering if you recognize this person?¶
S A. No. was she a girl that was over there?¶
6 Q. JUST a face that we wanted to¶
7 A. Okay. No. I don't know.¶
K BY AGENT RICHARDS:¶
9 Q. when you would ask the ladies if they'd like to¶
to go over to see ieftrey, what was the percentage? How¶
11 many people would say sure, that sounds good. Let's go¶
12 do it. And how many would just say, no. I'm not¶
2007-04-25IIIIIIITxT¶
1.3 interested. T mean, do you wive -- how often when you 14 would ask the girls --¶
15 A. it was usually girls that I brought, the girls That L had brought like first five girls, say. T would 17 say. Listen, you know. recruit your girlfriends and it 18 would go down the line. Recruit your girlfriends and 1 19 will pdy you guys. So if t was off the wall, say I was, 20 you know, at a club or something and i was like hey. 21 girl, do you want to -- they'd be like you're crazy, you 22 know.¶
23 0. That's what t wondered, when you approached 74 them what was the reaction?¶
25 A. out when I talked to them over the phone, if it¶
5S¶
•¶
- was one of my girlfriends' friends or one of their 2 friends, / would tell them exactly and they'd be like okay, you know. And some girls weren't comfortable with 4 it. You know, how your murals are or whatever, if you're S comfortable with your body, if you're comfortable with 6 giving an old man a massage for 5200.
7 Q. For 30 minutes.¶
S A. YOu know, everybody is a different person.¶
9 Q. Sure.¶
10 A. Rut most of the girls were -- they were like¶
Ll yeah, sure, yeah.¶
2007-04-25 .TXT¶
12 ny MS. 1311-APONIA:¶
13 Q. Did you ever say anything about, you know, be¶
14 careful who you talk to about this or 1 outs!. I'm¶
15 wondering why, you know, were rumors going around at¶
16 school or how did everything keep under wraps?¶
17 A. Everybody knew. I don't know. Everybody made¶
IR jokes about it. Like it was not in school. It was more¶
10 like in my neighborhood. They would call me Heidi Heish¶
20 and everybody just made jokes about it. i don't know.¶
21 TI wasn't -- but I didn't care.¶
72 Q. Right.¶
23 A. You know. it wasn't if you didn't get nut it¶
24 wasn't. really a big thing to me at all.¶
25 Q. 1 guess I'm just wondering, you know, kind of¶
•¶
56¶
•¶
1 the way that this all came out was finally a parent tound 2 out about it --¶
3 A. yeah, X heard.¶
4 Q. -- and went ballistic. Hurt did you keep these 5 girls' parents from finding out?¶
6 A. I don't know. probably embarrassing. They¶
7 obviously liked :Jeffrey that much that they didn't tell¶
8 anyone.¶
Q. Did anybody hassle you at school? Did anybody¶
•¶
2007-04 25 rxr cal l you Heidi Fleish Jt schoo¶
A. No. no, no, I was out of school by then. No.¶
why did you drop out of school?¶
well, actually. -- why?¶
I'm sorry. I interrupted you.¶
Because -- no, you didn't. well, my mother had¶
lh rook me me out of school to home-school me. And then 7¶
17 had went bark to a school because 1 was really behind¶
18 because she didn't home-school me and I had got pregnant,¶
19 that's why. And that's in the eleventh grade, that's¶
20 when I got out because I was pregnant. And .t decided¶
21 that I was -- I mean. I didn't know what I was doing. I¶
22 wanted to have a house. I said I'm going to have this¶
23 baby. I need to have a house, a car, and I set out all¶
74 my goals and that's what happened. But then I ended up¶
15 getting my GED and I have a life.¶
1 BY AGENT RICHARDS:¶
g. were there ever any girls that came to you¶
wanting to work over there that said hey. I'd like to go¶
4 work over there and make 5700 bucks? Did you have any of¶
5 that'¶
7 Q. ' Do you remember any of their names or were they¶
57¶
A. uh-huh.¶
S classmate', or¶
•¶
•¶
)007 04 25 rxt¶
9 A. It wasn't --It wasn't involved in the school so¶
10 much. It was just that slillillgirl in the school.¶
- Okay. So she was really the only like
12 school-related --¶
13 A. Like person from school, yeah,¶
14 Q. Okay.¶
1S A. Put it was mostly out of school. So T wasn't¶
16 really hanging out with the best crowd. And all the¶
17 people that 1 did hang out with, they were dropouts. so¶
Is it wasn't anything in school. tt was mostly like the¶
19 neighborhood people or my triend, one of my guy friends'¶
20 girlfriend or whatever, you know. we were all young and¶
21 stupid. but --¶
22 BY MS. BILAI:ON(A:¶
23 D. Anything else? Do you have any questions for¶
74 any of us, for me or --¶
25 A. No, but T hope -- I hope Jeffrey, nothing¶
58¶
1 happens to :Jeffrey because he's an awesome man and it¶
2 would really be a shame. It's a shame that he has to go¶
3 through this because he's an awesome guy and he didn't do¶
4 nothing wrung. nothing.¶
Q. Are you in love with him at all?¶
6 A. My nod, no. 1 love him as a friend. T love¶
200/ 04 25 S rxT 7 him as a friend. He has done so much for me. NO. I'm not in love with him. I tell Jeffrey. dO you want to 9 marry me with all of the money that you have.¶
10 AGENT RICHARDS: All right. At this lime. 11 we're going to conclude the interview. It is 5:14 12 by my watch.¶
13 MR. EISENstRe: ihe only thing we'll correct is 14 that there might have been a reference to an old guy 15 at 50 and we'll just say a more mature individual 16 who may be in his 50s. Thank you.¶
17 (End of the tape.) IS 19 70 21 22 Z3 24 25¶
59¶
•¶
t 1 3 CERTIFTCATr 4 The State of Florida. ) S¶
rage 61¶
2007-04.75 Tx'¶
6 county of Palm peach. )¶
7¶
•¶
•¶
8¶
9¶
10 1, vicki S. woodham. Notary Public, do hereby 11 certify that I was authorized to and did listen to and 12 stenographically transcribe the foregoing tape-recorded 13 proceedings and that the transcript is a truc record to 14 the best of my ability.¶
IS¶
16 Dated this 26th day of April. 1007.¶
17¶
18¶
19¶
20¶
11¶
27 vicki s. wondham¶
25 My corralSSion Exuirits:¶
74 December' 08, 2010¶
25 Commiscion No.: nnt517559¶