The Psychological Trauma Center¶
a division of Preventive Psychiatry Associates Medical Group, Inc.¶
Medical Director: Gilbert W. Kliman, M. D.¶
2105 Divisadero St., San Francisco, CA 94115¶
Phone (415)292-7119 Fax (415) 749-2802¶
Forensic Child Psychiatric Evaluations, Life Care Plans & Testimony¶
Tape 1¶
Dr. Kliman w¶
12.3.08¶
Transcription done by: K. Rios¶
12.27.08¶
00:00:05¶
Dr. Kliman: What would you like me to call you?¶
Dr. Kliman: let me just make a few announcements that my name is Dr. Gilbert Kliman. I introduced myself to you a few minutes ago and is there anybody else with us?¶
a No.¶
Dr. Kliman: This time did anybody come with you?¶
a No.¶
00:00:31¶
Dr. Kliman: It's now almost 10:30 in the morning and we're meeting at the Marriot Courtyard in a conference room and this meeting is staking place on December 3rd aid 2008.¶
Dr. Kliman: I've already told you that I'm a psychiatrist and that your attorney asked me to meet with you; and I want to be sure it's clear that I am making a videotape and I have your written permission to do that.¶
MN is fine.¶
Okay.¶
a Yes.¶
Dr. Kliman: And you understand that I'll have to share this videotape with your attorney because this is a consultation that he's requested...¶
Dr. Kliman: So that he can proceed with a case that you're bringing. You have a complaint that you're making in the legal system.¶
Dr. Kliman: So that means the confidentiality of what we're discussing is very limited compared to what you'd expect in talking with a psychiatrist ordinarily.¶
S Okay.¶
00:02:02¶
Dr. Kliman: And this tape might even be shared with the attorney for the other side of the case you're bringing. It might possibly be used by a court.¶
S Okay.¶
Dr. Kliman: Do you have any questions about that?¶
Ma. I guess not. No.¶
Dr. Kliman: Well if you think of any you can interrupt at any time.¶
Dr. Kliman: So first I need to get acquainted with you. Maybe you can tell me a little bit about yourself as a person.¶
S Okay. My name is I recently got married...I come from...¶
Dr. Kliman: There's a big sigh after that.¶
S Yeah. I coae_from a braken_fainiLyahars. .from an abusive father and alcoholic mainly up with rn I'm 20 years old now, living with my husband.¶
Dr. Kliman: How long ago did you many?¶
00:03:18¶
Yes.¶
Yes.¶
Okay.¶
About 3 months ago, going on to 3 months since we got married, which I'm very happy about. I go to school part time.¶
Dr. Kliman: I want to congratulate you again.¶
Dr. Kliman: I congratulated you when you walked in and told me you were recently married.¶
S Yes thank you. I work full time, I go to school part time and that's pretty much about...about me.¶
00:03:51¶
Dr. Kliman: That's your whole story?¶
Dr. Kliman: I'm sure that's a good introduction. Now, first tell me about your recent marriage and how you met your husband and what can you tell me about him?¶
a We met...we met through one of my ex-boyfriends. I saw him one time and then I found him on the internet called MySpace and we started talking for about a good couple months. I had went away to Alaska on a trip and then I came back around his birthday and we finally met in person again, for the second time and then we just started hanging out and we clicked. We dated on and off for about two and a half years and then we've always talked about you know, that we don't want to be with anyone else, that we love each other and we care about each other; that we just have that feeling of knowing that we can spend the rest our lives with each other. I was engaged for about a year, year and a half and then we had separated for a little while.¶
00:05:06¶
Dr. Kliman: Why did you separate?¶
Ole I was just going through a lot. I didn't know what I wanted in life. I didn't know who I was. I felt a sense of loosing control of who I am and what I've just been through and what I've gone and how I want my life to plan out for myself. I went through a stage of deep depression, anxiety. I just was unsure with whom I am, and then I started getting help and then...¶
Dr. Kliman: Try to give me an idea how long ago this deep depression was?¶
Dr. Kliman: When did it start?¶
Thank you.¶
Uh huh.¶
It's been going on for a year, maybe a little bit longer. When I was in...¶
SON I did not realize it until, I guess like when I was little. I've always just been, I just shut people out. I...this is hard for me. Just when I was young, I guess like when my parents got divorced, the abuse and like I just never knew how much pain there was.¶
00:06:47¶
Dr. Kliman: You know I have some Kleenex here for you, if you need it.¶
a Thanks.¶
Dr. Kliman: So you were saying, you didn't realize how much pain there was?¶
Dr. Kliman: Who is him?¶
INS My husband.¶
Dr. Kliman: Okay.¶
00:07:30¶
a My now husband and like we was always there for me and like.¶
Dr. Kliman: What is his first name again?¶
Yeah. I mean I never really talked about any incidents that's ever happened in my life. I never thought that I needed to talk to anyone or like see why I get so angry or why I am the way I am with men; or people that I love that are close to me, or why I treat the ones that are close to me the way that I do. And then being with him, it brought out a lot of things.¶
S¶
Dr. Kliman: es Okay.¶
VIM Yeah. He was always there for me and he used to treat him like crap and then we had broken up and I would just started to like...I just couldn't handle life anymore. I just started remembering a whole bunch of things that have happened to me and I tried to figure out why I am the way I am with men, especially someone that I love.¶
Dr. Kliman: So you went into therapy to do that? To figure that out or did you start by yourself?¶
No I needed help. I was... I've tried to commit suicide probably about five times.¶
Dr. Kliman: When was the first time?¶
Dr. Kliman: Do you remember how old you were?¶
Dr. Kliman: How old were you then?¶
ANS Probably like about 15.¶
00:08:51¶
Dr. Kliman: Okay.¶
Dr. Kliman: That was inside the garage, in the car with the motor running?¶
S At my house, yes. I would have went through with it if my sister and my nephew wouldn't have walked in the door.¶
Dr. Kliman: Both of them walked in?¶
00:09:44¶
Dr. Kliman: How old are you at that point?¶
S 18, 19. Getting ready to be 19.¶
Dr. Kliman: And do you know what kind of pills those were?¶
Dr. Kliman: Where did you get them?¶
When my parents were getting a divorce, I tried to cut my wrists.¶
Probably about 11 and then I tried sitting in the car in the garage and I had written a letter to my mom.¶
And then...¶
Yeah and when I saw my nephews face, I was like I can't. I can't leave, I wanted to see him grow up and I didn't know how my parents would feel; and then I swallowed a whole bunch of pills and then my friend was like I need to take you to the hospital and I wouldn't go, so she took me into the bathroom and made me throw up.¶
No. I just took a whole bunch of pills stuck them in the bottle and just took them with me.¶
My house. My parents house in the medicine cabinet; and then...¶
S Uh huh... I prefer not to drive, I try not to drive. I rather take a taxi.¶
Dr. Kliman: Does he usually go out with you when you go to clubs?¶
0111111111 Eyes.¶
00:37:53¶
Dr. Kliman: Now, I'd like to move on to another test, which I think overlaps this one some; I'm going to go to that one which is called the PDS.¶
Dr. Kliman: And I see you took another one which is called the MMPI, but I'm gonna have to wait for that one to be scored so I can fully use it.¶
S Okay.¶
Dr. Kliman: Now you mentioned here, that you had a sexual assault by a stranger and what do you mean by that?¶
MIS I was raped when I was 15.¶
Dr. Kliman: And can you tell me about that?¶
Dr. Kliman: Excuse me?¶
Dr. Kliman: I don't need details but I do need certain aspects like who the person¶
IP' Can I just give you the basics? I never talk about this...it was a graduation party. I was 15 years old. I had this guys that I just met which was my best friends boyfriends brother from Miami. He was up in West Palm...we were all hanging out we went to our friends graduation party. I was drinking beer, he was getting me the drinks which was my first mistake and then...we ended up in someone house spending the night...¶
Okay.¶
Do you need details?¶
Do you need details?¶
Dr. Kliman: Did you have a lapse of memory after one of those drinks?¶
Dr. Kliman: Okay, so you couldn't remember anything until the next day?¶
Dr. Kliman: So when you say he brought me the chinks and that was my first mistake...¶
a Because you're never supposed to have anyone get you your drink you're supposed to get it yourself.¶
Dr. Kliman: Well...do you have, have you been able to recover the memory of what happened?¶
Dr. Kliman: You have? Okay...but you didn't remember anything until the next day. You saw marks on yourself...¶
S I thought I had locked the bedroom door to where I was sleeping.¶
00:41:00¶
Dr. Kliman: You thought you had lots of what...?¶
I couldn't remember anything until the next day. I though it was a dream and then I woke up and I saw that I had marks on my body, and that's when I went to the doctors.¶
Uh huh...I had no idea what happened. I don't even know what happened...¶
Uh huh¶
Ala I thought I had locked the door.¶
Dr. Kliman: ■..¶
Dr. Kliman: What did the doctor say about it?¶
Of where the bedroom I was sleeping in. He came in, I couldn't move, I couldn't do anything, I couldn't talk...I was paralyzed. He came in and he ripped my pants off and then he proceeded to have intercourse with me and then he ►eft. I woke up the next day not knowing what happened. I was dressed, you know, wearing the clothes I went to bed with and then I got picked up from my friends house by mom. I went home and I continued to sleep because 1 was really tired and then...I thought I was having a bad dream and then I woke up and I looked at my legs and I saw the marks to where he had ripped my pants down; and then I told my mom and we immediately went to the doctor and got a rape kit. Done.¶
S That there was no semen inside. That she wanted me to get tested for any diseases and that to get blood work done to see if there's any type of drug that he used. But...she asked me if I wanted to press charges and went over, you know, everything that happens... told me that the marks, the, scratch marks would go away after a while and...she just really try to convince me to write a report.¶
00:42:43¶
Dr. Kliman: She tried to get you to write a report?¶
SIM Uh huh.¶
Dr. Kliman: But you wouldn't?¶
Uh-uh.¶
Dr. Kliman: And this event is different than the event of sexual contact that you also mentioned when you were younger than IS, with somebody who was 5 or more years older?¶
I was about 12.¶
Dr. Kliman: You were 12?¶
MEI I was about 12 years old when I first got molested.¶
Dr. Kliman: By?¶
MEM My best friends' brother than had gotten out of jail. He molested me and his sister and the two other friends that we were with. When we were sleeping...that we reported.¶
Dr. Kliman: He molested how many children?¶
A total of four.¶
Dr. Kliman: That same night?¶
Uh huh¶
Dr. Kliman: In what manner did he do that?¶
00:44:17¶
a He played with...while we were sleeping he rubbed our bottom area and our top area and our face and our hair and he never did anything more than that.¶
Dr. Kliman: How did you know he did that?¶
S Because we all woke up, but we just never told anyone. Until he finally raped his sister, that's when everything was laid out on the table and that's when everyone started speaking about it...and then we had to go to some safe house and get questioned.¶
Dr. Kliman: How much time passed between the time that he played with your bottoms and tops and face and hair; and the time that he raped his sister?¶
Dr. Kliman: How many times did he do this to you?¶
Dr. Kliman: But he touched all those parts?¶
Dr. Kliman: And that was at night?¶
Dr. Kliman: But you remember it happened?¶
Not even a month.¶
Just one time.¶
Uh huh.¶
Yeah we had a sleep over and one of the girls was up...but she was still awake but she pretended she was sleeping and the rest of us were already knocked out.¶
I remember being touched yes. But I thought it was just...I thought I was just dreaming I didn't know; and then when my friend told me, you know, this is what happened and she felt the same thing and when my other friend said this is what happened, you know, she felt like the same thing; and then when we found out that he raped his own sister, I mean it was pretty much obvious. And he would always make...we would always hangout her house would be the house to smoke pot or drink and whatnot and he would always be there and her parents were always working and they wouldn't come home until 6 o'clock at night and her brother was there; and he was the one always giving us pot, and stuff like that. He's always made, you know, smart comments but never really went through with anything or anything in that matter.¶