SDNY grand jury transcript on superseding indictment of Ghislaine Maxwell, July 8, 2020

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 UNITED STATES GRAND JURY SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -v-GHISLAINE MAXWELL (2018R01618) APPEARANCE S: : November 19, 2019 Additional -x United States Courthouse 300 Quaroppas Street White Plains, New York July 8, 2020 10:05 a.m. Assistant United States Attorney Acting Grand Jury Reporte. FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947¶

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	PROCEEDINGS
2	(10:05 a.m.)
3	MS. Let the record reflect that there are
4	17 grand jurors present and that the foreperson is present.
5	Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. My name is
6	and I am an Assistant United States Attorney
7	here in the Southern District of New York.
8	Can everyone hear me okay? All right. I see
9	everybody’s heads nodding. Thank you.
10	I am here today to present for your consideration
11	a proposed superseding indictment charging Ghislaine Maxwell
12	in six counts. This indictment is virtually identical to
13	the indictment that you returned last week charging Maxwell
14	in those same six counts except that it corrects two
15	clerical errors, or two typographical errors that were
16	contained in Counts Five and Six which are the perjury
17	charges.
18	As a result, I will not be presenting any new
19	Instead, I will identify evidence or new witnesses today.
20	for you those two clerical errors in the indictment. I will
21	point out the portion of the exhibits that you saw last week
22	that provide the correct information. Then I will identify
23	the corrected portion of the superseding indictment in the
24	proposed superseding indictment.
25	Before I do that though, I must ask you all the
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1	same preliminary questions that we went over last week.
2	First, do any of you believe that you personally know or
3	have met the proposed defendant, Ghislaine Maxwell? I see
4	no hands.
5	Next, have you any heard or read about, or learned
6	anything Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein or anyone else
7	related to this case, if you could just raise your hand? I
8	Virtually every hand is in the air. see a number of hands.
9	You can all put your hands down. Thank you.
10	As you know, you must make your determination as a
11	grand jury based on the evidence presented before you in the
12	grand jury, in this room alone. Accordingly, you must set
13	aside any other knowledge you may have about this case or
14	the people involved in it, and base your decision solely on
15	the evidence presented to this grand jury to determine
16	whether there is probable cause to believe that the charges
17	in the proposed indictment were committed.
18	Is there any grand juror here today who cannot
19	follow these instructions? I see no hands. Just to be
20	sure, is there any grand juror here who would have any
21	difficulty setting aside the outside information you may
22	have about the defendant or the facts of this case? I see
23	no hands.
24	Finally, do any of you believe you know me in
25	anything other than my professional capacity? I see no
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United States v. Ghislaine Maxwell 07/08/20 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 hands. Now, as I mentioned, I will not be calling any witnesses today. Instead I will present you with the exhibits from last week, the transcript of the testimony you heard from last week and the proposed superseding indictment. I will then walk you through the error that the superseding indictment seeks to correct. Please keep in mind though that what I say is not evidence. Only the testimony of the witnesses and the exhibits are evidence. So as I’m walking you through these exhibits, your understanding of them and your understanding of the evidence controls. I am just trying to provide you with an overview. With that instruction in mind, I am going to put up onto the Elmo what was previously received and marked as Grand Jury Exhibit 1. That is the proposed six-count indictment that you voted to return last week. A copy of it will be available for review when you deliberate. You also received what has been marked as Grand Jury Exhibit 2, which I will not put up on the Elmo. Thar was a PowerPoint presentation containing photographs anc excerpts of certain documents that was shown to you during the testimony last week. You also heard testimony from FBI Special Agent Today I am marking, as Grand Jury Exhibit 3, a FREE STATE REPORTING, INC. Court Reporting Transcription D.C. Area 301-261-1902 Balt. & Annap. 410-974-0947¶

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1	It is up on the copy of the transcript of that testimony.
2	Elmo now and it will be available for you to review if you
3	would like as you deliberate. I will not read it back to
4	you now, but you can read through it as you deliberate.
5	Finally, I am marking, as Grand Jury Exhibit 4,
6	the proposed superseding indictment, which I have now placed
7	up on the Elmo. As I mentioned, this proposed superseding
8	indictment corrects two clerical errors and is otherwise
9	identical to the original indictment, Grand Jury Exhibit 1.
10	I’m now going to walk you through the errors that
11	we’re going to correct starting on Grand Jury Exhibit 1.
12	Page 15 contains the beginning of Count Five which charges
13	Maxwell with perjury. Paragraph 21 on that page refers to
14	the civil case in which Maxwell gave deposition testimony on
15	April 22nd, 2016, as 15 Civ. 7344. That is the error we are
16	going to correct.
17	Similarly, page 16 contains the beginning of Count
18	Paragraph 23 on Six which charges another count of perjury.
19	that page refers to the civil case in which Maxwell gave
20	deposition testimony on July 22nd, 2016, under the sare
21	number, 15 Civ. 7344.
22	Slue 22 el Turning now to Grand Jury Exhibit 2.
23	that exhibit contains the first page of the deposition
24	transcript from the testimony that Maxwell gave on
25	April 22nd, 2016. As you can see here, the docket number
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1	for that case is in fact 15 Civ. 7433 not 7344.
2	Similarly, slide 25 contains the first page of cite
3	transcript from the July 22nd, 2016 deposition that Maxwell
4	gave. As you can see here, again, the docket number for
5	that case is 15 Civ. 7433 not 7344.
6	Finally, I will turn to the proposed indictment,
7	Grand Jury Exhibit 4. On page 15, you have again the same
8	perjury count with one change. Paragraph 21 corrects the
9	docket number for the civil case to be 15 Civ. 7433.
10	Similarly, on page 16, which contains the second
11	perjury count for the July 22nd, 2016 deposition, the docket
12	number is corrected to 15 Civ. 7433. There are otherwise no
13	changes to the substance of this indictment.
14	That is my presentation. Before I leave you to
15	deliberate, would anyone like me to read the full proposed
16	superseding indictment out loud? I see no hands.
17	I must advise you that you must independently find
18	probable cause, again, for each count in the superseding
19	The evidence before you in support of the indictment.
20	charges in the superseding indictment is the same evidence
21	that was before you when you considered the indictment last
22	week.
23	Does anyone have any questions about that
24	I see no hands. evidence?
25	The legal instructions that you received before
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1	voting on the indictment last week are the same instructions
2	that apply to your consideration of the proposed superseding
3	Would anyone like me to read those instructions indictment.
4	out loud for you again? I see no hands.
5	Does anyone have any questions about the legal
6	instructions? I see no hands.
7	I will leave you now with the exhibits to
8	deliberate. As always, if you have any questions or
9	concerns about the proposed indictment, please let me know
10	before you vote so that I may answer any questions you may
11	have on the law, or bring any additional evidence before you
12	to consider. Thank you, all.
13	(Matter concluded)
14	(Time Noted: 10:14 a.m.)
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3	I hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and
4	accurate transcription, to the best of my skill and ability,
5	from my electronic notes of this proceeding.
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