Deposition of an associate, Epstein's aircraft maintenance director, October 2009

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IN THE CIRCUIT COURT OF THE 15TH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN AND FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA¶

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JEFFREY EPSTEIN,¶

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Deposition of LARRY EUGENE MORRISON October 6, 2009¶

THE REPORTER: Do you swear the testimony you’re about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God?¶

THE WITNESS: So help me God.¶

LARRY EUGENE MORRISON, having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. Tell us your name.¶

A. Larry Morrison.¶

Q. And, Larry, where are you employed right now?¶

A. For JEGE.¶

Q. What’s JEGE mean?¶

A. It’s the aviation flight department for¶

Mr. Epstein, and my primary job is Dankjold Reed Aviation.¶

MR. REINHART: Spell it.¶

A. D-A-N-K-J-O-L-D, and then the second word is Reed, R-E-E-D, Aviation. It’s a corporate flight¶

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department.¶

Q. What do you do for him?¶

A. Director of Maintenance.¶

Q. Okay, so you maintain his planes —¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. — should something go wrong?¶

A. Correct. Yes. Yep.¶

Q. Do you also —¶

A. For maintenance.¶

Q. Do you also fly on his planes?¶

A. On Mr. Epstein’s?¶

Q. Yes.¶

A. I used to. I was a flight engineer —¶

Q. Okay. What —¶

A. — on his 727.¶

Q. When you list your company - JEGE?¶

A. Yes. Yeah, it’s just initials. It’s an LLC or holding company.¶

Q. How long has that holding company been if you know?¶

A. Since — I think it was developed when I came with the airplane - 2001.¶

Q. Whose idea was it for that to come about it yours? Was it his?¶

A. Oh, no, no, somewhere — It wasn’t mine.¶

You know, it was a business decision made somewhere.¶

Q. What does the company do?¶

A. What? The company? It’s just a holding company, I think, for the aircraft. It’s not — I don’t believe it to be a money making company or a real corporation.¶

Q. You’re saying “for the aircraft.” I’m interpreting that to mean you’re talking about one aircraft.¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. Does that mean there’s one or there’s more than one?¶

A. There’s more. He owns more than one, but just one is JEGE or —¶

Q. And the aircraft that he owns, how many of those do you either service and/or ride on?¶

A. I used to. I haven’t been — Actually, I stepped back from being physically involved, just now I just do paperwork - and it was February of 2007. So I haven’t actually physically been on the airplanes other than I will take the Boeing for maintenance.¶

Q. Since it seems like we’ve kind of skipped ahead from 2001 to 2007, am I right that your first involvement with Jeffrey Enstein of any way, shane¶

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form was 2001?¶

A. That’s correct, yeah.¶

Q. You didn’t meet him before that.¶

A. I had met him. He was a — He was an¶

associate of my previous boss.¶

Q. Who’s that?¶

A. Mr. Wexner.¶

Q. Wexner?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. How do you know Wexner?¶

A. I worked for Limited Stores for 12 years.¶

Q. Doing what?¶

A. Essentially the same thing - aircraft¶

maintenance for their corporate flight department and flight engineering on the 727.¶

Q. How many aircraft did Wexner have?¶

A. Well, none that I know that he had personally, but the corporation had - the flight department operated - we had three Gulfstreams, two Hawkers, and a 727.¶

Q. What was the name of his corporation that maintained the aircraft?¶

A. For Limited Stores?¶

B. Yes.¶

C. It was just — It was called Limited-¶

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Limited Flight Department.¶

Q. And do you know him personally then - Wexner?¶

A. Yeah, I had met him, of course, you know. I met him. I used to do aircraft completions for him, so which would involve personal meetings.¶

Q. When did you first meet Wexner?¶

A. 1988 was when I hired on, so I don’t remember the month.¶

Q. How did you get that job?¶

A. Through word of mouth and, you know, I worked - I lived in - been in aviation for years in Columbus.¶

Q. Well, I mean, Wexner’s an important person, right? I mean, he —¶

A. Correct.¶

MR. GOLDBERGER: Form.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. He’s somebody who owns - my understanding Limited, Victoria’s Secret?¶

A. Well, he doesn’t own them. He’s Chairman, you know.¶

Q. Chairman of —¶

A. Yeah. He doesn’t personally own it. It’s a publicly held company.¶

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Q. Where were you prior to any involvement with Wexner?¶

Q. Where were you prior to any involvement with Wexner?¶

A. I worked for Red Roof Inn True Sports Flight Department.¶

Q. How did that position lead you to Wexner?¶

A. Well, it was always known that Limited Flight Department was one of the best jobs in Columbus and, actually, several other people that were already there knew me from previous jobs and education - we went through aircraft mechanic, or A&P school, together - so when the position became available they pointed to me and - absolutely. It was a fine organization.¶

Q. So did Mr. Wexner approach you or did you apply to him or how did that work?¶

A. Oh, no, no, no. It’s — No. He wouldn’t be involved in that type of activity. You apply to H.R. and you interview with the Director of Operations or the Chief Pilot. You know, he wouldn’t.¶

Q. So you start with Wexner in 1988.¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. What do you do for him then?¶

A. What did I do for him?¶

Q. Yes.¶

A. Aircraft technician.¶

Q. Which entails what?¶

A. Maintenance of any or all of the aircraft operated by the flight department and some flight mechanic duties.¶

Q. What kind of airplanes?¶

A. Gulfstreams, Hawkers.¶

Q. How big is the Gulfstream?¶

A. Fifteen passenger - 15 to 17.¶

(Mr. Goldberger exited.)¶

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Q. What did Wexner use the Gulfstream for?¶

A. They were division airplanes, mostly.¶

Q. And the other airplane you named - what did he use that for?¶

A. Same, same.¶

Q. Any idea why he had two planes?¶

A. Well, I mean, yeah, we used them - they’re a tool. It wasn’t him. It was a large Fortune 500 company. They use them as tools to — You know, Limited has control over 60 percent of their manufacturing processes, plus, you know, what, 1200 stores, or whatever, throughout all their divisions.¶

I mean, when you say “Limited,” it’s not¶

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just Limited, it’s Victoria’s Secret and it was Express and Lerner’s and Henri Bendel’s and all of that back then, so, I mean —¶

Q. So —¶

A. — we moved a lot of passengers to keep those stores for the retail business.¶

Q. And by “passengers,” do you also mean clients of his?¶

A. That I don’t know. No. Mostly we just dealt with upper echelon, you know, people in the retail businesses from —¶

Q. Such as whom?¶

(Mr. Goldberger entered.)¶

A. Can’t even remember names, but it would be — We would take buyers to Europe in the spring and fall. They would buy samples and bring them back to analyze for marketing. We would hire — We would — Division heads, when they would do store shops and, Real Estate, we take Real Estate out when they were looking for new real estate.¶

Q. While you were working back in ‘88 — Well, how long overall did you work with Wexner and/or his companies?¶

A. Well, ‘88 through when I came here in January of ‘01.¶

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Q. Why the change?¶

A. It offered an opportunity — Well, one was I enjoyed flying - and the 727 was being replaced by a BBJ, which is a two-man airplane, not a three-man airplane - three-pilot airplane - and it gave me the opportunity to become a Director of Maintenance, and it was a challenge. You know, bringing - upstarting an airliner on a private ticket or a VIP ticket is really challenging, and I enjoy the challenge of working and developing the program and stuff.¶

Q. Well, my understanding, Wexner is generally - he’s in Ohio, right?¶

A. No, he’s got other places. I mean — No, he’s like anyone, he’s - in his category - he’s got multiple homes and —¶

Q. Well, when you would maintain his aircraft, would that be in Ohio —¶

A. Yes. We were based —¶

Q. — or elsewhere?¶

A. We were based at Lane Aviation.¶

MR. REINHART: Hold on one second. You have to let him finish asking the question before you answer.¶

THE WITNESS: Okay. I’m sorry.¶

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Q. I’m sorry, have you ever had your deposition taken before?¶

A. No.¶

Q. You definitely never had your deposition taken before while somebody else is trying to eat at the same time they’re trying to ask the questions - that’s very bizarre.¶

A. Yes, yes.¶

Q. I meant to do this before I got here. But, regardless, I’ll wait until you finish your answer before I ask my next question; you do the same thing. “Uh-huh” or “uh-uh,” they kind of look the same on the record, so try to give us a “yes” or “no” or something we understand.¶

A. Alright.¶

Q. If I ask a question that was a bad question or something you don’t understand - I’ve asked bad question before - say, “I don’t get it.” I’ll ask a better question.¶

A. Okay.¶

Q. You were working with Wexner. You got the job there starting in 1988. On a day-to-day basis, what would you be doing?¶

A. Maintenance, aircraft maintenance, tracking of aircraft maintenance, cleaning of¶

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aircraft. I mean, whatever it takes to keep a corporate flight department operating.¶

Q. Did you know back then of his relationship, if any, with Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. Not immediately, no.¶

Q. When is the first time that you knew of a reputation or a relationship between Wexner and Epstein?¶

A. Would have had to probably be around maybe ‘98, ‘99.¶

Q. How do you become aware that they know one another?¶

A. Because Jeffrey, every one — That’s when I became a flight engineer on the Boeing, and every once in a while Jeffrey would ride on the Boeing, that’s all - that’s all I knew.¶

Q. How did it come about that he would ride on Wexner’s Boeing?¶

A. They were business associates, I think.¶

Q. As far as you know, they were business associates.¶

A. Right.¶

Q. Did you understand the business relationship between the two?¶

A. Well, I believe it’s public knowledge that, I think, Jeffrey managed Mr. - some of Mr.¶

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Wexner’s funds.¶

Q. Is that something that Mr. Wexner told you?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Is that something that somebody of Mr. Wexner’s organization would have told you?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Is that something that Jeffrey Epstein told you?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Is that just reading articles that speculate as to the business relationship between the two or do you got something more for me?¶

A. No, it’s just - it’s speculation and, you know, what I’ve read, you know.¶

Q. I mean, like you say, to me it’s common knowledge —¶

A. Right.¶

Q. But it’s only because of what I’ve read. I don’t have a specific person that I could cite to to say that, do you?¶

A. Right. No, just - just periodicals.¶

Q. What’s your understanding of the personal relationship, if any, between Wexner and Epstein?¶

MR. GOLDBERGER: Form.¶

A. Don’t know.¶

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Q. Did you ever know of a time — And I may be asking a question that would just be completely outside of your knowledge, so let me back up.¶

Have you ever stayed at Wexner’s house?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Do you know where his house is?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Do you know what the address is in Ohio?¶

A. No, I just know the city.¶

Q. Do you know who he lives with?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Who is that?¶

A. His wife and children.¶

Q. What’s his wife’s name?¶

A. Abigail.¶

Q. Abigail Wexner, and he has three or four daughters, right?¶

A. No. He’s got a son, Harry, and two daughters, I think.¶

Q. A son and two daughters.¶

A. I don’t know. See, that was back in 2001. I don’t know what they have - if they have more kids now.¶

Q. Okay. Did you ever hear any information that he was homosexual?¶

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A. No.¶

Q. Being Mr. Wexner.¶

A. No.¶

Q. Any indication to you that he may be homosexual or bisexual?¶

A. Absolutely not.¶

Q. Have you heard any information that he and Mr. Epstein were involved sexually with one another?¶

A. Oh, no, no.¶

Q. Would that surprise you?¶

A. Absolutely.¶

Q. And that’s only because you know him and you¶

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know Mr. Wexner and you don’t see the two together.¶

A. Correct.¶

MR. GOLDBERGER: Form.¶

A. Well —¶

Q. He —¶

A. Go ahead.¶

MR. REINHART: If you need to answer, answer the question.¶

A. Yeah. No. I saw him with Sharon, which was his previous girlfriend before he met Abigail.¶

Q. Right.¶

A. No. There was never any hint or anything that I would even conceive that.¶

Q. Have you spoken personally with Mr. Wexner?¶

A. On business issues, yes.¶

Q. Business issues related to your work on his airplanes?¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. Have you spoken to him on any other issues that don’t involve business relationships with his airplanes?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Because you’re hired basically for that purpose, so that’s kind of how you deal with him.¶

A. Yeah. It’s I’m an employee and he’s my employer and I only deal with him, you know, on issues that involve maintenance.¶

Q. I think I probably know the answer to the next question, but just in case I don’t, do you know any of his personal friends - people that he would hang out with on a social level - being Mr. Wexner?¶

A. Through my business ties, yes, yes.¶

Q. Who’s that?¶

A. I’m trying to remember — You have to remember it’s been several years.¶

Q. Right.¶

A. He was friends with the Tuckermans.¶

Q. What’s Mr. Tuckerman or Ms. Tuckerman’s name¶

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A. Ms. — I can’t. I always addressed them by their proper name.¶

Q. Do you know what they do?¶

A. They owned an optical company - opticians. They were high school friends from Mr. Wexner’s high school days.¶

Q. In Ohio or New York?¶

A. He went to high school in Bexley.¶

Q. Bexley, Ohio.¶

Has he ever discussed with you how longstanding the relationship is between himself and Mr. Epstein?¶

MR. GOLDBERGER: Form.¶

A. I don’t understand. Can you rephrase it?¶

Q. Well, you know that at some point in time — You started working with him in 1988. The first time, according to my notes, that you became aware that he was friends or acquaintances with Mr. Epstein was ‘98- almost ten years later.¶

A. Right.¶

Q. After you became aware that there was that relationship, whether business or otherwise, did he ever speak to you about how long he had known Mr. Epstein?¶

A. Oh, no, no.¶

Q. So as far as you were concerned, 1998, when¶

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you found out there was a relationship with Epstein, it could have very well started then.¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Aside from aircraft technician and taking care of Mr. Wexner’s aircraft back in the ’80s and, I guess, early ’90s, did you have any other personal involvement with him?¶

A. Just on aircraft completions.¶

Q. And when you would speak with him, would tha be over the telephone, at the airport, at his private —¶

A. It would usually be at the corporate office.¶

Q. At the corporate office?¶

A. At the corporate office.¶

Q. Can you tell me the address for his corporate office?¶

A. No, I can’t.¶

Q. If I requested that from your attorney, would you be able to get that information?¶

A. Well, I mean, I imagine it’s public knowledge - wherever - it’s at the Limited.¶

Q. And that’s where you would meet him - at the Limited?¶

A. Yeah.¶

Q. And how often was - you know, I know that¶

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we’re talking about 15,20 years ago - how often was Mr Wexner personally at that location at the Limited offices?¶

A. I have no idea.¶

Q. But any time you needed to talk to him, that’s where he would be?¶

A. Yeah,and I usually went to Charlie Hinson.¶

Q. Who’s Charlie Hinson?¶

A. He was the president of the stores. He basically was my go-between for these aircraft completions for the design.¶

Q. And you mentioned the Gulfstream as an aircraft. Did you also serve as a technician for other aircrafts that were owned by Mr. Wexner?¶

A. Right,but not Mr. Wexner. They’re owned or operated by Limited Stores.¶

Q. Limited Stores?¶

A. Right. Yes.¶

Q. What did you do for them?¶

A. Same-maintenance.¶

Q. Did you ever fly in them?¶

A. On the Gulfstreams in the early days we used flight mechanics, especially on international flights.¶

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Q. Who were some of the pilots?¶

A. Tim Staley, Jim Taylor. They’ve had some turnover too. I don’t know who all is still there because retail is down.¶

Q. Was Larry Visoski a pilot used by Wexner at any time?¶

A. No.¶

Q. How about David Rodgers?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Are those names you’re familiar with?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Those are names you’re familiar with how?¶

A. I flew with them when I was flying for Mr.¶

Q. So there’s no real, other than yourself — Well, tell me if I’m wrong: I understand that you did some work for Mr. Wexner related to his aircraft and you did some work for Mr. Epstein, which we haven’t yet got to, but you did some work for him too. Are there any other people that have that type of relationship with both parties?¶

A. No. I’m sorry, resay that.¶

Q. Okay. You’ve already told us that you were the aircraft technician for Mr. Wexner.¶

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Q. One of them. Then you also have knowledge about Mr. Epstein and some relationship with Mr. Epstein.¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. Are there any other pilots, aircraft technicians, people like that that you know of to have a relationship with both Mr. Wexner and Epstein?¶

A. No, no.¶

Q. Do you know how Mr. Wexner met Mr. Epstein?¶

A. No.¶

Q. How long - if you started in 1988 - how long did you stay with Mr. Wexner and/or The Limited?¶

A. January of ‘01.¶

Q. Why did you stop?¶

A. Because what we were talking before, you know, I wanted to continue flying. They bought a BBJ, which is a two-pilot aircraft, and I wanted to continue flying. Mr. Epstein bought the 727 and offered me a position to continue flying and, you know, basically set up the airplane for his flight department because they hadn’t had any previous large aircraft experience.¶

Q. I missed something. It wasn’t your fault, it was mine.¶

The Gulfstream that you were talking about, did you used to fly that as well as being a flight¶

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1. technician? A. No, no. Q. Okay. A. You don’t have to have a flight - a pilot’s certificate to be a professional flight engineer. I’ve got a turbo - a flight engine turbo jet rating, but you don’t have to have a commercial ticket as long as you - the FAA recognizes your heavy aircraft maintenance experience. Q. So you’re saying that if the FAA recognizes your heavy maintenance experience, I’m assuming that means you understand the ins and outs of airplanes and you can work on them. A. On heavy high performance aircraft, yes. Q. Then you can also fly them? A. Sideways as a flight engineer. Q. Explain. A. On the older generation airliners there was three pilots - there’s a captain, a first officer, and then the flight engineer is the gentleman that sits sideways and maintains all the systems. Q. When you say, “sits sideways,” okay, I have a — A. Literally, you’re physically sideways in

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1. the cockpit. Q. So you’re not looking at the people that were flying on the plane and you’re not looking at the pilots, you’re actually literally sitting sideways. A. I sit sideways at a panel, yes. Q. What’s your job? A. Maintain all the aircraft systems - the hydraulics, fuel management, pressurization, environmental controls. Q. That’s not done by the pilots. A. No, no. Q. But if you’ve done that long enough and FAA is aware of your credentials in that respect, then you also could be credentialed to be a pilot as well? A. Well, sure, yeah, yeah. It that’s a career choice you wish to take. Q. And was that? A. No, no. I was perfectly satisfied with my position as a flight engineer and Director of Maintenance. Q. What year did you say Epstein bought the 727 that was once owned by Wexner? A. I don’t know when the actual transition took place, but when I came - shortly around the period that I came on board in ‘01, January of ‘01.

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1. Q. Do you know why Epstein chose to buy that particular 727 rather than one of the other million 727s that are made? MR.GOLDBERGER: Form. A. Because it was probably the finest one out there — Q. Why? A. — in all honesty. It’s got a fully Paged STC interior with EFIS cockpit, and Limited’s reputation on the way that we maintained our aircraft - it’s the best one out there. Q. Describe for me the interior - I’m not talking about the Epstein days, we’re talking about the Wexner days - describe for me the interior of the aircraft, and keep in mind that I’ve only been on a commercial aircraft where you don’t see the pilots, there’s a door, and then everybody, you know, there’s just a bunch of seats where everybody sits there. A. Correct. Right. The aircraft — You enter the airplane, it’s got forward airways, which most 727’s don’t, so you enter the forward door on the left-hand side, the forward entry vestibule, and there’s a door on the left, which leads to the cockpit, and then there’s a door on the right which leads to the to

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1. forward salon. Q. What’s the forward salon? Sorry. A. Forward seating area. Q. And is it set up basically the way that I’m picking it - in that there are 25 or 26 rows and they’re numbered A through E? A. No, no, it’s a corporate configuration. Q. Which means nothing to me, so help me. A. Picture a 600-mile an hour Winnebago. I mean, it’s got conference tables and divans and large first class seating. Q. Any various dividers throughout — A. Yes. Q. — to where there’s a VIP room in the back or anything like that? A. It’s compartmentized (sic), yes. Q. In what way? Describe it as specifically as you can. A. There’s a forward salon, a mid galley - the galley in the mid - an att - an att salon, which is - and then the att state room. Q. Who designed that plane? A. I can’t remember who the actual designer was. It was a Page interior, though. Page Avjet did the installation.

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Q. Who directed the design of that plane? A. It would have been Mr. Wexner. I mean, it was — The layout has not changed. Q. “The layout has not changed,” when you say that, you mean “from the time that I first got in it and I was under the guise of” - under the employment of Wexner to the time I’ve been on it since Epstein, the configuration is the same.” A. Essentially, yes. We removed one chair and one small table that was an annoyance and that’s it, but it’s identical to what The Limited used. Q. Are there any blocked off areas to where if you’re standing in the middle of the plane you can’t see certain areas of the plane? A. There are pocket bulkheads. Yeah, there’s dividers between the sections. Q. How big are these dividers and where are they? A. Well, there’s a divide—the forward door, I told you, on the salon, then there’s a pocket door on the forward side of the galley, a pocket door on the aft side of the galley, there’s a pocket door between the aft salon and the office, and then there’s another pocket door between the office and the state room. Q. Have you been on other 727s before that are commercial airliners privately owned? A. Yes, yes. Q. Have you noticed similar configurations to where there are this many dividing doors or is this one that has more so than you’ve seen in the past? A. No, no, this is pretty atypical (sic). Q. It’s pretty atypical? A. It’s typical. Q. It’s pretty typical? A. Yes, yes. Q. So what other airplanes - 727s, or other major airplanes - have you been on that have these types of dividers? A. Trump. Q. Trump’s airplane? A. Yes. Q. Why were you on Trump’s airplane? A. Well, I know the crew and, you know, this is a small-kit community. There’s very many of them out there, so everybody in this world knows one another to help one another out as far as — By “there” — A. — information-wise and stuff. Q. By “there aren’t that many of these people out there,” you don’t mean there’s not that many people because obviously there’s a lot — there’s not that many — A. Privately owned 727s, but this is — As a matter of fact, The Limited’s current BBJ has a very similar floor plan. Q. As Trump’s? A. No, as the — as our 727. Q. Who’s our? A. Mr. Epstein’s. They didn’t change a lot. It’s — Q. Well, I thought that you had told me that the 727 that was once owned by Wexner is the 727 that owned by Epstein. A. It is, but what I’m saying is even their current airplane has the same layout — the BBJ. They put the same floor plan in the more modern airplane. Q. Well, they didn’t have to put it there. It was already there, right? A. No, no, no. When you buy these aircraft — even a Guffstream — when you buy them it’s just a green hull, there’s nothing in them, and you can customize your interior. Q. I’m sorry, we’re miscommunicating somewhere, and I’m sure it’s on me. MR. GOLDBERGER: Yes, it is.¶

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Q. So they didn’t keep the floor plan. They actually took it out and they restructured the floor plan to basically match that old floor plan.¶

A. Well, no. When you — When you buy a Boeing business jet —¶

Q. Yes.¶

A. — it comes with nothing inside. It’s a tube. Nothing’s in there. You design - have designers design your interior and then a fabricator or a facility such as Page Avjet to install this interior.¶

Q. Right.¶

A. What I was just trying to state was that The Limited liked their old floor plan in the old airplane so well - it worked so well for them - that they duplicated it and had that same interior installed in the new aircraft - same floor plan installed on the new plan.¶

Q. So Epstein didn’t buy the exact same plane. He bought the same type of plane.¶

A. Well, more modern. He bought a 737, right.¶

Q. Got it.¶

A. Right.¶

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Q. Totally understand now.¶

MR. REINHART: Can you clarify - Mr. Epstein or Mr. Wexner?¶

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Q. Mr. Epstein bought not Mr. Wexner’s plane.¶

A. No.¶

Q. He bought the same type of plane that Mr. Wexner had and modeled the floor plan —¶

A. No.¶

Q. — the same way that Mr. Wexner had it.¶

A. That is not correct.¶

Q. He bought, actually, Mr. Epstein —¶

MR. REINHART: Hold on. Distinguish —¶

Use names so we’re very clear when you’re talking about Mr. Epstein and Mr. Wexner, okay?¶

A. Mr. Epstein bought Mr. Wexner’s 727.¶

Q. Okay.¶

A. The actual airplane - bought it from him.¶

Q. Which has a floor plan already in it.¶

A. That we just discussed.¶

Q. Alright. The floor plan’s in the plane.¶

A. Right. Mr. Wexner replaced the airplane that Mr. Epstein bought with a new airplane and he¶

had a very identical or very like floor plan installed in the new airplane.¶

Q. Got it.¶

A. Okay? Sorry, it’s a strange business.¶

It’s —¶

Q. Tell me if I’m right: Mr. Wexner had a plane that had a floor plan that apparently appealed to Mr. Epstein, so Mr. Epstein bought that plane.¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. Mr. Wexner also liked that plane that he had just sold to Mr. Epstein, so he built in a floor plan very similar to the one he just sold to Mr. Epstein.¶

A. In his new aircraft.¶

Q. Brand new plane.¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. Got it. We’re on the same page now.¶

A. Alright.¶

Q. Took us a while to get there.¶

A. Yeah, sorry.¶

Q. I think it was my fault, honestly, but alright?¶

A. It’s an unusual process if you haven’t been around corporate airplanes.¶

Q. I didn’t realize that Mr. Wexner had a new plane.¶

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A. Yes.¶

Q. That’s where I had a problem.¶

How many times have you been on Mr. Wexner’s airplane?¶

A. The new?¶

MR. REINHART: Clarify which one you’re talking about.¶

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Q. Before you ever met Mr. Epstein.¶

A. I can’t say. I mean, over the years?¶

Q. Numerous times?¶

A. Oh, I was his flight engineer. You mean when I was still employed by him?¶

Q. Yes.¶

A. Yes. I was the flight engineer. I don’t —¶

Q. So as a flight engineer, every time the plane leaves the ground, do you leave the ground with it?¶

A. No. We had another engineer also.¶

Q. So what percentage of times do you leave the ground in the airplane when the plane leaves the ground?¶

A. For who?¶

Q. For Mr. Wexner.¶

A. Probably one-third of the time, because I was also the lead technician, so I had¶

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Q. And given the partitions that you’ve described in this airplane, are you able to see what’s going on behind the doors of the various partitions of the airplane?¶

A. If the doors are open or closed?¶

Q. Closed.¶

A. No.¶

Q. Do you have any idea what’s taking place in there?¶

A. No.¶

MR. GOLDBERGER: Form.¶

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Q. When you’re on the plane with Mr. Wexner, was there a time that he had — Well, let me put it this way: When anybody is a passenger on any of these private planes, should there be logs of the names of the passengers on the planes?¶

A. Not required, no.¶

Q. Are you ever specifically instructed not to record the names?¶

A. That wasn’t part of my duties. That wasn’t an engineer’s task, but—¶

Q. Do you-directions?¶

A. No, he was previously Chief Pilot.¶

Q. He was previously Chief Pilot for Limited?¶

A. Same, yes.¶

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A. — no, not that I’m aware of.¶

Q. Who is assigned the duty of reporting the names of the people who are going to be transported on the airplanes?¶

MR. GOLDBERGER: Form.¶

A. Captain.¶

Q. So have you ever been privy to conversations where the captain is told by Mr. Wexner to record all of the names of the people that are going to be on the airplane?¶

A. Can’t say.¶

Q. Sometimes?¶

A. I can’t — You know, I can’t say. I can’t remember what our policies were at the time.¶

Q. I’m not asking policies. I’m asking: Have you ever been around when the pilot was being instructed by Mr. Wexner - back in the late ’80s, early ’90s - to make sure that you record who’s on this aircraft?¶

A. I never heard Mr. Wexner address that, no.¶

Q. I mean, God forbid the airplane crashes, you would like to know who’s the on the airplane, right?¶

MR. GOLDBERGER: Form.¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Is there any way to determine who’s on each particular flight in case anything happens?¶

A. There is normally a passenger manifest, yes.¶

Q. Who creates the manifest?¶

A. Probably dispatch.¶

Q. Dispatch?¶

A. At Limited.¶

Q. Do you know who that is?¶

MR. REINHART: Can you give a time frame? Do you mean currently or back when he worked there?¶

MR. EDWARDS: I’m talking about back when he worked there.¶

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Q. Do you know who that was at dispatch?¶

A. That would have been Diane Williams.¶

Q. Who does Diane Williams work for?¶

A. Limited Flight Department.¶

Q. Who does she report to?¶

A. Tim Staley.¶

Q. Who’s Tim Staley?¶

A. Director of Operations.¶

Q. For who?¶

A. Limited Flight Department.¶

Q. What does he then do with that information?¶

A. I don’t know. I don’t know.¶

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Q. Have you ever talked to Tim Staley?¶

A. From — Yes, yes.¶

Q. And what do you talk to him about?¶

A. Oh, we’re - we’re friends. We worked together for years. I mean, I haven’t talked to him since the holidays.¶

Q. Do you know where he is now?¶

A. To the best of my knowledge, still Director of Operations at Limited.¶

Q. Do you have a number for him?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Can I have the number, please?¶

A. It’s .¶

Q. Is that a work number?¶

A. That’s the Flight Department.¶

Q. That’s the best number to reach him at?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. If I’m going to call him, that’s the number I call?¶

A. Correct.¶

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Q. And he was promoted, I suppose, to Flight Director?¶

A. Director of Operations. It’s the department crew. Most small departments don’t have directors until they start to grow.¶

Q. And when he was Chief Pilot were you affiliated with the Wexner organization?¶

A. Yes, I was a maintenance technician.¶

Q. And when you say somebody keeps flight logs, is it always Tim — is his name Tim Staley?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. — is it always Tim Staley who does that?¶

A. No. I don’t know where they go, honestly, and the system may have changed.¶

Q. Okay. Are you—¶

A. I’ve been gone since —¶

Q. Are you aware of any FAA policies to where they need to know who’s on the aircraft whenever it talks off?¶

A. Not under Part 91 Operations, there is not.¶

Q. Part what?¶

A. Part 91.¶

Q. What does Part 91 say, as far as you know?¶

A. It’s basically souls on board when you¶

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file a flight plan - that’s the only thing you’re required to do. When you file your flight plan you file souls on board.¶

Q. What does that mean, “souls on board”?¶

A. In other words, living bodies on board.¶

In other words, if you have - so if there’s an accident and you have four and you’re transporting a cadaver, that they go to the accident scene and don’t find five bodies - think there were five fatalities.¶

Q. So it’s your understanding from what you need to report are, “I have five people on board.”¶

A. Correct, and that’s for the flight plan.¶

Q. So there’s no reason to say that, “I have Joe Schmo on board.”¶

A. Not under Part 91, no.¶

Q. That’s doing something over and above.¶

A. That’s correct.¶

Q. You are aware, though, that there are certain flight plans where they actually name individuals that are on the airplane?¶

MR. GOLDBERGER: Form.¶

A. No.¶

Q. I mean, you’ve seen that before.¶

MR. GOLDBERGER: Form.¶

A. No, not on flight plans, no - unless it’s¶

international. The only time we do international would be for Customs and Immigration.¶

Q. So if it’s an international flight —¶

A. For Customs and Immigration - for coming and leaving the country.¶

Q. — then they require that names of individuals —¶

A. It would be names, passports, that kind of stuff - normal.¶

Q. Did you ever do any international flights while employed by The Limited, Victoria’s Secret, the whole Wexner group?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. How many?¶

A. No way of knowing. I mean, I’m - can’t say. It’s, like I say, years, but.¶

Q. What years would you done it?¶

A. Started flying as a flight mechanic in ‘89, and then started flying the Boeing in ‘99, so - to ‘01, so ‘89 to ‘01, basically.¶

(Mr. Goldberger exited.)¶

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Q. So ‘89 to ‘01, if I wanted all of the flight logs, who would I request those from - Tim Staley?¶

A. Don’t know. I don’t know who —¶

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Q. What does Tim Staley do after he maintains these records?¶

A. I don’t know.¶

Q. He’s never told you what he does?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Certainly they’re kept on file somewhere, right?¶

A. I would assume.¶

Q. What’s the name of the company that owns the airplanes? I know it’s affiliated with Wexner and all that, but what’s the name of the company?¶

A. Well, there were several companies. I mean, the way corporate aviation flight departments are set up, they’re under holdings companies.¶

Q. I’ll go with all of them.¶

A. Well, I don’t know. They change. They change sometimes by the year, sometimes — I have no idea what they’re under now.¶

Q. What were they under back in ‘88 —¶

A. It was like —¶

Q. — to the best of your memory?¶

A. They change. I mean, every time we got a new aircraft, or whatever, they changed. They were like Northeast Holding, Southwest Holding, LLC - Wilmington, Delaware, companies, which is standard¶

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Q. Did Wexner ever tell you that he allowed Jeffrey Epstein to serve in some sort of capacity, representative capacity, for any of these companies?¶

A. No. He would never say that to me anyways, no.¶

Q. What’s the first time you ever saw Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. Can’t say. I’m not sure.¶

Q. I think you saw him before you started working for him or with him?¶

A. Oh, yeah, that’s — Where I first saw him was when I flew him on The Limited 727.¶

Q. What year do you think that was?¶

A. It would have had to have been —¶

Q. Talking late ’80s, early ’90s?¶

A. Late ’90s.¶

Q. Late ’90s?¶

A. Yeah, probably - mid to late ’90s.¶

Q. Well, I mean, if you’re taken over with Jeffrey Epstein in, what, 2001 —¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. — then you’re talking late ’90s is the first time you see him?¶

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A. Well, mid — I don’t know exactly. I can’t really say, really.¶

Q. I won’t hold you to it. It is what it is.¶

Mid to late ’90s, if I wanted the flight logs that have him on it, on the airplane, who would I subpoena to get those records?¶

A. I have no idea.¶

Q. Are they turned into the FAA, to the best of your knowledge?¶

A. No, the FAA doesn’t require them.¶

Q. So FAA does not get the flight — Well, what’s the point of even keeping these?¶

A. Sometimes I think the IRS — I mean, this is on assumption, I’m not even sure, but mostly for like IRS tracking for if you have people that have dual homes, dual statehoods, or whatever.¶

(Mr. Goldberger entered.)¶

MR. GOLDBERGER: Can we take a time out?¶

(Short break.)¶

(Mr. Pike appeared via telephone to replace Mr. Goldberger.)¶

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Q. FAA flight logs - do you know why they’re generated, how they’re generated, if they were generate back in the Wexner days?¶

A. They were — They were generated, but I don’t know, you know, why - what the particular reasoning was for it.¶

Q. Do you know if Terry (sic) Staley would have been the one to forward those flight logs to the FAA?¶

A. No, no, no. I — They were all just for business use - not forwarded to the FAA.¶

Q. Okay. How—¶

A. The FAA doesn’t care about flight logs.¶

Q. How did the FAA monitor when that plane took off?¶

A. Flight plans.¶

Q. And was it your understanding that when the plane took off, the FAA was unaware as to who was ever on it?¶

A. Pretty much, yeah. They don’t care about names. When you file flight plans with the flight service station or via electronically, all they care about is souls on board, contact information, flight routing, things like that.¶

Q. Are there time limits as to when the plane is allowed to take off?¶

A. Yeah, usually — From what point? What do you mean? Time of the day or —¶

Q. Yeah, yeah, time of the day. I understand¶

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that there’s some time where if it’s too late they can’t take off, right?¶

A. Only where there’s a curfew on the airport - not all airports, no. No, airplanes can fly any time unless that airport has a noise curfew or something, yeah.¶

Q. Did you ever know of Wexner’s plane to take off after ten o’clock p.m.?¶

A. Yes. Yeah.¶

Q. Were you ever on that plane when it did?¶

A. Probably, yeah, yeah.¶

Q. Were you ever on that plane when there were girls on the plane?¶

A. Describe — Define “girls.” On the Wexner airplane?¶

Q. Yes.¶

A. There would be ladies and his daughters. I mean—¶

Q. Other than family members.¶

A. There would be business associates. If you’re talking young women, yes, business associates from the divisions.¶

Q. Have you ever been on the plane when there were girlfriends of Wexner?¶

A. Only when Abigail - before his - became¶

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Q. How about after —¶

A. I mean —¶

Q. — she became his —¶

A. — it was Abigail. She was the only girlfriend.¶

Q. How about after Abigail?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Have you ever seen sex or sex-related instances occur on Wexner’s airplane?¶

A. Absolutely not. We didn’t even have playing cards. He looked at the aircraft as a business - a flying business office.¶

Q. When you say “playing cards,” what do you mean?¶

A. Playing, you know, to —¶

Q. Oh, playing cards.¶

A. Yes, playing cards.¶

Q. So every time that you were on Wexner’s airplane, it was used strictly for business?¶

A. Well, I don’t know if it was used strictly for business, but there was no, you know, it was — I don’t know what the purpose of the actual trip was, but never saw, you know, anything, you know.¶

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BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. I thought you were finished.¶

A. Yeah, I don’t understand. I don’t understand that question.¶

Q. I’m going to clarify. Were there ever times when you were on the plane and either Wexner and/or other individuals went behind these various areas that you could not see into?¶

A. Yes. Yeah.¶

Q. Do you know what they were doing in there?¶

A. Probably sleeping. He would go to bed at night on the long trips, okay.¶

Q. Any time that more than one person went in one of these areas that you would not be able to see into?¶

A. Not that I’m aware of, but my exposure to back there is not that, you know, is limited.¶

Q. How many times did you see Jeffrey Epstein ride that plane with Wexner?¶

A. Not many, but I can’t say exact.¶

Q. How many international flights do you remember that plane taking?¶

A. Remember — The airplane itself taking international?¶

Q. Yes, with you on it.¶

A. I can’t — I can’t say.¶

Q. Well, where do you remember going in it?¶

A. Well, we would normally go to London, Milan, Paris. I mean, mostly fashion areas and business - business areas.¶

Q. When you say “fashion areas,” what do you mean?¶

A. Well, retail. I mean, you know, design for clothing and stuff like that.¶

Q. What was the purpose?¶

A. I’m sure it was business. I have no idea what the actual purpose was. I don’t—¶

Q. Did you get off the plane?¶

A. Well, of course.¶

Q. What did you do there?¶

A. Go to a hotel, eat dinner, wait to find out when you’re going to the next place.¶

Q. Were you ever on an international flight on one of Mr. Wexner’s planes that Jeffrey Epstein was al on?¶

A. I can’t say. I can’t remember.¶

Q. Maybe?¶

A. Possibly.¶

Q. Do you remember any specific places that¶

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Jeffrey Epstein went while on that plane outside the United States?¶

A. I can’t remember. No, no. Like I say, I can’t even remember if we took it for sure.¶

Q. Any time that you remember Jeffrey Epstein being on the airplane, do you also remember there being girls on the airplane along with Mr. Epstein?¶

A. I can’t — I can’t say. I can’t remember.¶

Q. When’s the first time you remember seeing Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. Well, like I say, I don’t even remember the year. I can’t even pinpoint down to the year. It was after - some time after I started flying the 727, because that’s the only exposure.¶

Q. Okay. I’m not going to ask you at all during this deposition to guess. I thought at some point in time you told me you remember seeing Jeffrey Epstein, right?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. In fact, you work for him now.¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. So at some point in time you saw him and you saw him for the first time.¶

A. Correct.¶

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A. ‘99, somewhere in that area.¶

Q. Alright. In’99 were you working for¶

Wexner or were you working for Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. Wexner.¶

Q. And do you remember the context in which you saw Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. It was a flight.¶

Q. What did Wexner ever tell you in terms of who Jeffrey Epstein was?¶

A. Never told me anything who Jeffrey Epstein was.¶

Q. Did you ever ask?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Did you ever ask back in 1999 when¶

A. No. It’s not my place. I don’t — I don’t need to know or want to know what people’s associations are.¶

Q. Next time you saw Jeffrey Epstein was when?¶

A. I can’t say for sure.¶

Q. Have you seen Jeffrey Epstein at¶

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Wexner’s house?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Never?¶

A. Never. I’ve never —¶

Q. Have you ever —¶

A. — been to Wexner’s house.¶

Q. You’ve never been there?¶

A. No.¶

house?¶

A. Oh, no.¶

Q. Have you ever heard of Jeff —¶

MR. REINHART: I assume, other than his children.¶

MR. EDWARDS: Oh, of course.¶

A. Yeah. No - his children. I’m sorry.¶

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Q. Have you ever known of Jeffrey Epstein to take underage girls to Wexner’s house?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Do you know how it is that Jeffrey Epstein and Wexner met each other?¶

A. No.¶

Q. You mentioned earlier that you believed that¶

Jeffrey Epstein helped to - I think, what you said was - manage Wexner’s money?¶

A. Some of his accounts, yes, I guess.¶

Q. Why do you think that?¶

A. From what I’ve read in periodicals and magazines.¶

Q. You’ve read in what periodicals and magazines?¶

A. I think it was, what, Vanity Fair there was an article a couple years back, three or four years back, and a New York magazine as I mentioned.¶

Q. Why did you read the article?¶

A. Well, obviously it was dealing with the gentleman that I was working for, so out of curiosity, you know.¶

Q. Right, because people tend to be curious —¶

A. Right.¶

Q. — right? But when I just asked you who Jeffrey Epstein was and the relationship, you said, “I have no idea,” implying that you weren’t curious. But at some point in time you got curious as to who this person is, right?¶

A. Who Jeffrey Epstein is?¶

Q. Yes.¶

A. Well, yeah, when you’re working for him¶

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and he’s in a magazine, you’re going to read the article.¶

Q. Okay, so at some point in time, did you Google Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. No, no.¶

Q. Have you read the articles about Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. Lately?¶

Q. Yes.¶

A. Oh, of course, yes, in the newspapers.¶

Q. And you’re aware of why your deposition’s being taken today.¶

A. Yes, of course.¶

Q. And it has something to do not with a case with Wexner, but a case involving Jeffrey Epstein.¶

A. Correct. Yes, of course.¶

Q. When you got this deposition subpoena, did you by any chance try to look up some information on Jeffrey Epstein - who this guy is?¶

A. No, no. I mean —¶

Q. Is there anything — MR. REINHART: Hold on. Were you finished?¶

Q. Okay. Go ahead.¶

A. No. I mean, other than every once in a¶

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• just out of interest - because he’s still my employer, you know, and you don’t want to be blind-sided, but other than that, no… Q. When you… A. — I never looked into his financial background or anything look that. I don’t know if you can. Q. When you say a “Google alert,” that’s something that you actually go out of your way and set up on Google, right? A. Yeah. Q. When did you do that? A. A year ago or so. Q. Why did you do it? A. Because I’m not around Mr. Wexner or Mr. Epstein anymore. I don’t… Q. Well, he was in jail… MR. REINHART: Hold on. Were you finished with your answer? A. I haven’t been a full time employee with Mr. Wexner since… MR. REINHART: Epstein. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Epstein or Wexner?

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A. I’m sorry — Mr. Epstein, since February of 2007. Q. Well, a lot of that has to do with him being incarcerated… A. No, no. Q. — for a year, right? MR. PIKE: Form. A. No, it was because I wanted to make a job - a career change. Q. Why? A. Because I got tired of flying, being on the road, wanted to be home. Q. Did it bother you that your boss, back in 2007, was under investigation? A. Of course. Q. Is that part of the reason why maybe you wanted to make a career change? A. No, no. The reason was the amount of flying that I had been doing and the overmorns, and when something’s no longer fun, it’s time to find something else to do. Q. Why wasn’t it fun anymore? A. It’s a very fast pace. I wanted to spend time at home. I wanted to get back into strictly maintenance.¶

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Q. When you say “fast pace,” how often are you flying? A. Every week - sometimes two, three times a week. Q. And that’s by the time that you’re working for Jeffrey Epstein? A. Yes, yes. Q. Because back in the Wexner days you weren’t flying every day. A. No, no, no, because there was another engineer, no. Q. Right. A. I had about one-third of the flights. Q. So from 1988, when you start working with Wexner, through ‘89 or so, you’re not飞ing all the time, right? A. No, Oh, no, no. Actually, in ‘88, I was, you know, I was - my primary duties were in the hangar - maintenance. Q. Did you enjoy doing that? A. The maintenance part of it? Q. Yes. A. Oh, yeah, that’s my background, that’s my forte. Q. Is that something you’ve gone back to?¶

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A. Right.¶

Q. — for Jeffrey Epstein.¶

A. Right.¶

Q. When is the first time you met Larry Visoski?¶

A. It was before he worked for Jeffrey. He and Dave were flying for a gentleman - Glimcher Corporation.¶

Q. Flying for who?¶

A. Glimcher Corporation.¶

Q. How do you spell that?¶

A. G-L-I-M-C-H-E-R, I think. They were — They had an airplane based at Lane Aviation in Columbus with us.¶

Q. And David Rodgers?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. How did you know David Rodgers?¶

A. Same, from — They were in the same hangar we were in.¶

Q. Are you from here?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Where are you from?¶

A. Columbus, Ohio.¶

Q. So you’re from Columbus, Ohio, and that’s also a place where Wexner lives.¶

A. Yes¶

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Q. So that was at least convenient for you?¶

A. Oh, yeah. No, it was — Yeah.¶

Q. Did you go to college in Ohio as well?¶

A. Yes, Columbus State for my Aviation degree.¶

Q. As your first job that you had, was that with Wexner?¶

A. Oh, no. I started working for Ohio State University—¶

Q. And then where?¶

A. — in their flight department.¶

Went from Ohio State University to get a short stint, a contract maintenance for a - a contract for NASA at Langley - researcher, and then that was under the direction - that was contracted under OSU’s umbrella for airport research. They had an Aviation Research Department. Then after that went to Red Roof Inns - maintenance technician for Red Roof Inns.¶

Q. What was it - Gregory Finns?¶

A. No, Red Roof Inns.¶

Q. Red Roof Inns.¶

A. True Sports Racing. It was Budweiser racing - Indy car team and Red Roof Inns, the motel chain. Then from there I went to The Limited stores.¶

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Q. How did you learn of Wexner?¶

A. Oh, I mean, he’s very well-known in Columbus, because, you know, billionaires in central Ohio, aren’t, you know —¶

Q. Aren’t a dime a dozen, right?¶

A. Exactly, and small guy that made it big, you know, because that’s where the name Limited - so hearsay is - the name Limited came from he started with limited resources.¶

Q. So did you know him before he was married to Abigail?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. And did you know him to date exclusively women prior to that?¶

A. The only — I knew that he was dating Sharon.¶

Q. Right.¶

A. I never flew Sharon, but he dated Sharon for a long time, and then there was, you know, they broke up and then he started dating Abigail.¶

Q. And have you heard any rumors about him dating men as well?¶

A. No, no.¶

Q. First time that you’re hearing about it is me telling you that, right?¶

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Q. So back to Larry Visoski - you don’t know him while you’re employed with Wexner.¶

A. Yes.¶

B. You do?¶

C. Yeah.¶

D. How do you meet him?¶

A. Met him because their aircraft was in our hangar. The Glimcher aircraft was based in our hangar and got to know him that way.¶

Q. Glimcher is a company owned by whom?¶

A. I don’t know if it’s public or not. It was a mall development company not associated with Limited.¶

Q. So what’s the conversation between you and Larry Visoski? Obviously you all end up working for Epstein, so try to lead me through that.¶

A. Well, I think — I mean, we got to know — I mean, you’re neighbors in a hangar environment, so you have discussions.¶

Larry was the mechanic. He was also pilot/mechanic on the Hawker for Glimcher, and you kind of form a relationship and a rapport, and then, I believe, Glimcher sold their airplane. I don’t know how Dave and Larry ended up with Jeffrey, I¶

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Q. Did you ask them? A. No, I don’t think — I’ve never asked them, “How — D. Jeffrey — A. — did you meet them?” Q. — have a plane in the same hangar? MR. REINHART: Hold on. Let him finish his answer. MR. EDWARDS: I’m sorry. I thought you were finished. MR. PIKE: This is Michael Pike. Let him finish his question because, keep in mind — you finish your question, let him finish his answer — keep in mind, I’m on the phone, so I’m having a hard time hearing his response in the background. MR. EDWARDS: You’re actually on the other end of the table. Do you want us to try to move the phone closer? MR. PIKE: Yes, that would be good. MR. EDWARDS: I’ll do that for you, man. I’m sorry, I really did forget that you were here.¶

MR. PIKE: Not a problem. I’ve objected to form a couple of times. I’m not quite sure if that was even heard, but that’s neither here nor there. MR. EDWARDS: We’ll say the last ten questions you objected to form. I got you. What was my last question, Pike? You don’t even remember. MR. REINHART: You asked him conversations he had with Larry Visoski and Dave Rodgers about how they came to work for Epstein. MR. EDWARDS: Good. A. I really never quieted them on how they come to work for Jeffrey, I think Dave was hired first and he brought — this is all speculation — and, I think, he brought Larry on board. Q. So as far as you know, however you know, David Rodgers was the first Epstein contact and then Larry Visoski rode it in. A. The way I understand, yeah. Q. How did you become involved in the three-person train to Epstein? A. When it became apparent that Jeffrey, or Mr. Epstein, was going to buy the 727, Larry approached me, that if I would want to, you know,¶

help them with the airplane, get, you know, become a flight engineer - Director of Maintenance on it. Q. So is Larry also an Ohio person? A. Well, he wasn’t — I think he was born and raised in South Florida and then he was in Ohio for that job. He lived there for a short period, yeah, for Glimcher. Q. And then David Rodgers also? A. They both lived in Columbus, yeah. I mean, I don’t know if it was a suburb, but they lived in central Ohio. Q. But the hangar we’re talking about is in Ohio. A. Yeah, Lane Aviation. Q. You would see them basically on a day-to-day basis because the aircraft that you were a technician for — A. Right. Q. — was very close in proximity to the aircraft that they were piloting. A. Yes. Q. They approach you at some point in time and say what specifically? A. I can’t remember the specific conversations, but it was like, you know, asked me if I would be interested in, if Jeffrey bought the 727¶

being, you know, the flight engineer and help them, you know, get the flight department going, and I told them I would. Q. And why did you say “yes” considering that you had a boss in Wexon who was seemingly pretty good to you for the last ten years? A. Oh, he’s excellent. Q. Yes. A. No, fine flight department and Mr. Wexon is a fine person. Q. Right. A. The reason being is, you know, I already stated this I think twice before, was that I wanted to be able to continue to fly and that would give me the opportunity to continue to fly as a flight engineer and the challenge of starting this airplane. Q. Right. I didn’t ignore you. I heard you say that, but then I also heard you say you brought a brand new plane. A. It was only a two-man airplane — Q. So then he would have — A. — and the modern aircraft could only have two pilots, right. Q. Got you. I understand. So they approach you with this prospect of the¶

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A. Correct.¶

Q. — that Epstein’s buying and, “Hey, would you like to be a part of it?”¶

A. Right.¶

Q. I mean, that’s the gist of it.¶

A. Correct, that would be the gist of it.¶

Q. And your response was?¶

A. Yes, I would - you know, if it came to be, I would consider it. Obviously, you know, salary had to come in and everything else, but I said, “Yeah, I would be interested in it.”¶

Q. What’s the next conversation that you had and with whom?¶

A. I don’t know. There were several conversations, but they were all with Dave and Larry both, you know, calling back and forth, but.¶

Q. About what? Was it about salary, about the position?¶

A. Salary, what the benefits were, you know, stuff like that. No, the position was pretty much defined. I mean, it’s the flight engineer, Director of Maintenance position.¶

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A. Correct, that’s when I hired on and actually moved to Florida was January 2001.¶

Q. Prior to 2001, had you heard the name Ghislaine Maxwell?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. How would you have heard Ghislaine Maxwell?¶

A. She had been a passenger on the 727 once or twice.¶

Q. The 727, I mean?¶

A. When it was under Limited.¶

Q. Yeah, yeah, that’s the point I’m trying to make. I mean, this could get confusing on the record. It’s not confusing to me, but on the record it could be because the 727 was Wexner’s, then it was Epstein, so you’re talking about —¶

A. When it was under Mr. Wexner’s control.¶

Q. What year do you think that was?¶

A. It would have been in the late ’90s.¶

Again, like I say, when - probably some time around the time - you know, had to be late ’90s —¶

Q. Did she —¶

A. — maybe 2000.¶

Q. Did she seem like a friend of Wexner’s to you?¶

A. I don’t know. I don’t know.¶

Q. I mean, how did she get on his private airplane? I would imagine strangers don’t just walk on, right?¶

A. Yeah, but I don’t know. I don’t know what people’s associations are together when, you know.¶

Q. Okay.¶

A. I don’t know if it’s business association, social associations, or what.¶

Q. How many times — MR. PIKE: Let me object to the form of that question.¶

MR. EDWARDS: Okay. Noted.¶

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Q. How many times was she on that airplane when it was owned by Wexner?¶

A. Not many, but I can’t give you an exact.¶

Q. Was she ever naked on the airplane?¶

A. Not that I’m aware of.¶

Q. I mean, that’s something that you would probably remember, right?¶

A. Well — MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. Yeah. I mean —¶

Q. I’m not really trying to be funny, but I would¶

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assume I would remember it.¶

A. Not that I’m aware of.¶

Q. Do you remember her bringing other girls on the airplane with her?¶

A. No.¶

Q. You remember her getting on the airplane alone?¶

A. I can’t say for sure.¶

Q. Alright. Maybe this will jog your —¶

A. I mean, she was never just alone-alone.¶

Like the only passenger or.¶

Q. Yes.¶

A. No, no, always with - when other people were on board.¶

Q. And you just can’t remember whether she brought on board with her a male or a female; is what you’re saying, right?¶

A. No, I mean — Restate the question. How did you —¶

Q. Sorry.¶

A. Define “alone.”¶

Q. I don’t mean, you know, if there’s 15 passengers and she gets on. I’m saying: Do you remeher getting on and being accompanied by - either they took the same car to the airport, they waited the curvy¶

passengers and she gets on. I’m saying: Do you remember her getting on and being accompanied by - either they took the same car to the airport, they walked the runway¶

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up to the airport? Do you remember her being with somebody else?¶

A. If it would have been, would have been Mr. Epstein, never —¶

Q. How many times do you think Mr. Epstein was on that airplane?¶

A. I can’t say for sure - not that many.¶

Q. Less than five?¶

A. That I saw him, yes, probably.¶

Q. And how many times of all —¶

MR. REINHART: Can I just clarify? You mean during the time Mr. Wexner owned the plane —¶

MR. EDWARDS: Right, right, right.¶

MR. REINHART: — since Mr. Epstein bought the plane.¶

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Q. Alright. We’re not up to the point, we’re about to be, but we’re not up to the point yet where Mr. Epstein takes control, so.¶

A. I mean, you have to understand, Mr. - during this time period, Mr. Epstein had his other - he already owned his other airplane.¶

Q. How did you know that?¶

A. Well, because that’s what Larry and Dave¶

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were flying - the Gulfstream.¶

Q. But this is something you found out afterwards.¶

A. No, no. I knew that they had gotten a job with him and they were flying the Gulfstream.¶

Q. Alright. Let me clarify this real quickly. You got the job in 1988 with Wexner.¶

A. Right.¶

Q. Right. Larry Visoski and David Rodgers are flying a plane that is presumably owned by Jeffrey Epstein and/or one of his corporations.¶

A. Not at first.¶

Q. At some point in time.¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. And what point in time do you become aware that that’s happening?¶

A. I can’t remember exactly when they bought the Gulfstream. They actually had a Hawker for a short period. I don’t know when that was.¶

Q. Was that also owned by Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. For a very short period, and he traded it.¶

Q. The first Epstein plane that you’re aware of is that Visoski and Rodgers are on —¶

A. Was a Hawker.¶

Q. — was approximately what year?¶

A. Maybe mid-‘90, early ‘90.¶

Q. We’re talking —¶

A. He didn’t have that plane very long.¶

Q. Between ‘90 and ‘93, you’re saying.¶

A. Probably, yes.¶

Q. And between ‘90 and ‘93, if we use t¶

years, you’re familiar with the name “Jeffrey Epstein.”¶

A. Not until later when he bought the Gulfstream in - later when he was, you know, like I said, late ‘90, probably.¶

Q. But you’re aware that David Rodgers and Visoski are flying an airplane between’90 and’93 that’s owned by somebody.¶

A. Correct. Yeah.¶

Q. But you don’t know the name of the person —¶

A. Correct. Right.¶

Q. — that is the owner. We’re good. We’re on the same page.¶

‘88, you start working for Wexner.¶

A. Right.¶

Q. And the first time Epstein is on Wexner’s airplane is approximately when?¶

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MR. REINHART: Asked and answered.¶

A. I can’t — The only time I would remember - we’ve already answered this several times - was in the late ’90s when I was actually on the airplane. I have no idea if he was on previous times without me there.¶

Q. And when he is on the airplane, is he on the airplane with young girls?¶

MR. REINHART: It’s also been asked and answered.¶

A. No.¶

Q. Now we’re back to Ghislaine Maxwell, and I believe your answer - which led me back to these questions that I had previously asked, “Was Ghislaine Maxwell on the airplane that Wexner owned that you kno of?” - and I think your answer was, “With Epstein.”¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I would — I would say if she was on there, it would be with him. I never knew — I would not think that she would fly on it without him.¶

Q. Do you specifically remember her on the airplane with him?¶

A. Can’t say - I can’t.¶

Q. On any of these flights that Jeffrey Epstein and/or Maxwell was on, did they fly internationally?¶

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A. I know I brought her back one time from England, I believe - I remember that - from London.¶

Q. Brought Maxwell back from London, and was she alone then?¶

A. I can’t — I can’t say. I can’t remember.¶

Q. I thought you said that if she was on the plane it wouldn’t have been alone.¶

A. More than likely she would have been with Jeffrey.¶

Q. So do you think that you brought Maxwell and Jeffrey together back from London?¶

A. More than likely, but I can’t say for sure. I can’t remember if he was on that flight.¶

Q. To the best of your recollection right now, as we sit here, is that Maxwell was on the plane and Epstein may or may not have been?¶

A. Correct. That’s correct.¶

Q. What year are we talking about and whose airplane are we talking about?¶

A. That would have been when the 727 was still Limited - or Wexner.¶

Q. And that would have been around what year?¶

A. 2000, maybe.¶

Q. 2000?¶

A. ‘99, something like that.¶

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Q. So this is almost into the transition —¶

A. No, I’m sorry.¶

Q. — into it.¶

A. Let me think on the dates.¶

Q. Okay.¶

A. Yeah, I can’t - I can’t remember.¶

Q. Late ’90s or 2000?¶

A. Late ’90s.¶

Q. Who has the flight logs from late ’90s?¶

A. I don’t know.¶

Q. But that’s something that the FAA would have, right?¶

A. No.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

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Q. Flying internationally?¶

A. I don’t know if the FAA gets that. It would more - most likely be Customs and Immigration.¶

MR. PIKE: Are you guys getting my form objections?¶

MR. EDWARDS: Yes. We got you.¶

MR. PIKE: Thank you. Brad, I just want on the record that not all of my form objections are coming through, so if we have an issue with this deposition - I am on the phone - and I want¶

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the Court to be well aware that not all of my form objections are coming through the telephone.¶

MR. EDWARDS: Mike, how about this, of all of the people involved, I think that you know you can trust me here: If you say when we read this back that you wanted a form objection, I’ll put it on the record right now you get it - how about that?¶

MR. PIKE: Not a problem.¶

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Q. Alright. Have you ever looked at any of the information from Customs and Immigration related to flight logs?¶

A. No.¶

Q. If Customs and Immigration is the right agency to take control of these documents, who is it that generates the documents in terms of personnel riding up this airplane?¶

A. Captain.¶

Q. Who was the captain or who were the captains that you are aware of - and try to give me years, if many of them changed, to the best of your knowledge - for Wexner?¶

A. Primarily it would have been Tim Staley,¶

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Q. Rob?¶

A. Imlay, I-M-L-A-Y, Bill Hammond.¶

Q. Bill Hammond?¶

A. Uh-huh.¶

Q. Bill Hammond later becomes aff.¶

Epstein too, right?¶

A. Correct.¶

B. We’re going to get to that.¶

C. Have you ever been a captain?¶

D. No.¶

Q. And when you say that it’s not necessary unless you’re flying internationally, I know - but it’s not necessary to maintain a passenger manifest that delineates the exact name, where are you getting that information from?¶

A. I know it’s not required by the FARs.¶

Q. How do you know that?¶

A. Because you can read the FARs, Part 91, FAR 91, Operations.¶

Q. What’s “FAR” stand for?¶

A. Federal Aviation Regulations.¶

Q. And what would be the reason not to put the whole name of the person on the airplane?¶

A. I don’t know. I—I don’t know.¶

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Q. Because later I’m going to show you some lists, and certain people are listed by full name and others are listed generically - any idea what that would happen?¶

A. Unless they just don’t know who it is, you know, just a guess. I mean, you know, you don’t want to query somebody and give them the third degree if it’s just a guest of the boss that’s, you know, riding along or something.¶

Q. Well, she asked you your name before your deposition and you didn’t consider that the third degree by any means, right?¶

A. Right, but —¶

MR. PIKE: Objection to form.¶

A. But you’re approaching your employer’s guest. It would be like walking into his house and asking him, “Who’s sitting at the dining room table?” - in a way. See what I’m saying? It’s just — You have to maintain —¶

Q. But —¶

A. — the employee/employer relationship.¶

Q. No, no, no. I guess what I’m saying is: If one of these people is Mohammed Atta, you would like to know it, probably.¶

A. Well, yes.¶

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MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. Yes, yes.¶

Q. So any reason why a captain trying to secure the airplane and the people aboard wouldn’t take that extra step and try to figure out who’s exactly on his airplane?¶

A. Well, when it’s the normal passenger loads are five to ten people, at the very most, and they’re all with the owner and accompanying the owner and some of the regular passengers, you know; the likelihood that Mohammed Atta is going to sneak in there and board his plane and ride along is — you know.¶

Q. He’s willing to play those odds, okay.¶

A. Well, I’m not saying that he’s playing odds. I’m just stating that the only reason I can think — I don’t know. I’ve never filled those out. The only reason I can think is he just didn’t have the name and didn’t want to intrude and ask.¶

Q. If you were a captain, would you ask who was on your airplane?¶

A. Not if the situation was that it was controlled by the owner and I knew who the — you know.¶

Q. Okay.¶

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A. What are you talking about? Why would he not be happy where he was? I don’t understand.¶

Q. Well, he’s working for some other corporation that’s not non-Epstein owned.¶

A. Oh, that previous corporation sold the airplane.¶

Q. Oh, they did?¶

A. Yeah. He had no choice. They were out of work.¶

Q. So Larry and David were about to be out of work.¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. So they said, “Hey, we found a new job and it’s with this guy Jeffrey Epstein and he’s buying that plane. Do you want to be involved?”¶

A. No, no. There was another airplane in between - two other airplanes. There was a long time between - and I don’t know the exact dates and I don’t know that I even do know the dates - but there was a time between when they left Gliimcher before Jeffrey got involved with the 727.¶

Q. So they leave Gliimcher?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Then what happens?¶

A. They somehow - I don’t know how - hired on¶

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Q. They hired on with Jeffrey to pilot the 727?¶

A. No. He had two other airplanes prior to that. He had a Hawker that he had for a very short period and then he bought - traded it or sold it. I don’t know what he did with it, but then he got the Gulfstream.¶

Q. So Larry Visoski and David Rodgers were pilots for Jeffrey Epstein when he had the Hawker also?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. And what year are we talking about there?¶

A. I have no idea.¶

Q. Well, if you sign on with him in ‘91, it’s before that year, right?¶

A. No, no, I signed in ‘01 - January ‘01.¶

Q. ‘01.¶

A. I don’t know how long they flew for Glimcher before that airplane went away and how quick they got on with Jeffrey. I don’t know. Somewhere between ‘88 and 2001, they —¶

Q. During —¶

A. — left Glimcher and —¶

Q. During ‘88 and ‘01, do you remain in contact with Larry Visoski and David Rodgers?¶

A. On and off. They eventually moved, you¶

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Q. Where did they go- do you know?¶

A. I think Dave went to New York and Larry went back to South Florida.¶

Q. Do you know why?¶

A. Well, because I think Jeffrey gave them the choice of living where they would like, I believe. I mean, that’s —¶

Q. That’s what they’ve said.¶

A. That’s what they’ve said.¶

Q. Okay, and Larry chose South Florida, David Rodgers chose New York?¶

A. Right.¶

Q. And Epstein had a place for them both whereve they wanted to go?¶

A. Well, they owned their own homes or something. I don’t know what their living arrangements were.¶

Q. Did you know Larry Rodgers or David Visoski before this?¶

A. Before?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

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Q. Before your conversation with them about becoming involved with Jeffrey Epstein.¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. How?¶

A. Like we discussed. We’ve been through this already. When they were at Glimcher they had an airplane in the hangar. We would see them sporadically and we would talk.¶

Q. I’m sorry, bad question. I don’t mean on a business relationship. On a social relationship, did you hang out with them—¶

A. Oh, no.¶

Q. — outside of this?¶

A. No, no.¶

Q. I apologize.¶

So - and I only asked that question because some years later then you’re in contact with them and they asked you to become involved with Jeff Epstein.¶

A. Uh-huh.¶

Q. But that is because of a business relationship solely that you had with them—¶

A. Oh, yeah.¶

Q. — years before?¶

A. I didn’t know them personally.¶

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Q. Okay. Alright. So in 2001, is that the year that you get a telephone call from one or two of these people?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. It would be either late 2000 or early 2001. I don’t — These transactions don’t happen overnight—¶

Q. Yeah.¶

A. — buying an airplane. So it could have happened in, you know, November or started talking in November, like, “Well, you know, would you be interested if Jeffrey gets the airplane or buys the airplane?” you know, to when I actually hired on.¶

Q. Did you ever talk to Ghislaine Maxwell - ever?¶

A. After I had hired on, yes.¶

Q. After you hired on with Epstein.¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. We’ll go up to her.¶

So when is it that you hired on with Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. I think I began in January of ‘01.¶

Q. In January of ‘01, do you start getting a paycheck from Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. Yes.¶

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Q. And is it paid from one of his companies or from Jeffrey Epstein specifically?¶

A. No, no - JEGE.¶

Q. JEGE. What is your understanding as to what that is?¶

A. It’s just initials. It’s a name. I don’t have any idea what it stands for, but I’d ask that a million times.¶

Q. It’s a company that owns something, right?¶

A. I don’t know — MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. — if it even owns anything. I don’t know what type of company it is. I don’t know if — It’s just a Wilmington, Delaware, company.¶

Q. What’s the bank account that it was written on?¶

A. I can’t remember. I mean, I know I’d read - I’d see JEGE on it, that’s all.¶

Q. A New Mexico bank, New York bank, Florida bank?¶

A. I have no idea because it’s direct deposit. All I would do is just see if the amount’s right. I don’t — I have no idea. I would — I have no idea.¶

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communication with Jeffrey Epstein that results in your employment with JEGE?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. A conversation result in my — Essentially Larry hired me. I mean, it wasn’t - it wasn’t — I didn’t really — I may have had one phone conversation with Jeffrey prior to actually being hired and the next time I saw Jeffrey was when I was in Florida with the airplane.¶

Q. What did Jeffrey ask you in that one phone conversation?¶

A. I think he asked me what my current salary was, or something along that line, you know.¶

Q. Did he ask you what you were looking for in terms of salary?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. What did you tell him?¶

A. I told him to basically — I forget how it went exactly. It ended up being like $117,000, something like that.¶

Q. $117,000 a year?¶

A. Yeah.¶

Q. And what were your duties?¶

A. Basically - flight engineer, obviously, but all line maintenance and scheduled maintenance to¶

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perform.¶

Q. On what planes?¶

A. Just the Gulf - just the Boeing.¶

Q. Just the Boeing?¶

A. Uh-huh.¶

Q. Over the years, did you become aware that he owned other aircraft?¶

A. I knew that he still had that.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. He still had the Gulfstream.¶

Q. At the time back in 2001- and we’re going to walk through some of his airplanes - he owned the Boeing 727, right?¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. And what other airplanes did he own at that time when you signed on with him in 2001?¶

A. The Gulfstream.¶

Q. Gulfstream is what?¶

A. 2B.¶

Q. Do you know who the pilot was for that plane?¶

A. Dave and Larry, I mean, it’s always.¶

Q. Was it always Dave and Larry no matter what plane was being taken out?¶

A. Unless somebody was on vacation or in school and they used contract people.¶

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Q. What was the purpose behind having multiple planes - used one for the purpose, one for another - do you know?¶

A. I never could figure that out.¶

Q. Really?¶

A. Yeah.¶

Q. No rhyme or reason why he took one this way and one that way?¶

A. No. He was - pretty much once the Boeing got on line. Now, you know, the Boeing goes down for heavy maintenance. It used to go annually, now it goes down bi-annually, but - so he would utilize that airplane while it was out of service, you know, for maintenance, which sometimes would be four, five weeks at a time, so.¶

Q. And in those cases, then he would use the Gulfstream 2B?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Have you been on both planes?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. We’re still talking about 2001. Is that the first time that you’re on the 727?¶

A. First time I was on the 727? Wait. I don’t know what you mean.¶

Q. After Einstein owns it¶

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A. Yes.¶

Q. And do you remember where you went?¶

A. Very first flight, no, because we didn’t fly it immediately. We upgraded some avionics and did modifications.¶

Q. What modifications did he want to that plane?¶

A. Just changed the carpet and some fabrics, upgraded the radar, upgraded the navigation - the flight manifest systems.¶

Q. Did he change the interior at all?¶

A. No. We removed that one small table and chair - that’s it, but we did not really change what you would consider the floor plan.¶

Q. Now, try to give me a visual appreciation of the inside of the plane. If I’m looking out the cockpit back towards the back of the plane; what am I going to see?¶

A. A door.¶

Q. That’s it?¶

A. That’s it, yeah.¶

Q. Just an empty room with a door?¶

A. No, no. The door’s always closed. If the door’s open you will see the forward salon, and in the forward salon there is a conference table, a high/low table, some divans, and some single seats.¶

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Q. What’s behind that?¶

A. The galley.¶

Q. The what?¶

A. The kitchen - galley.¶

Q. Okay.¶

A. Behind that is the aft salon, which is just two round divans.¶

Q. And?¶

A. After that is the office, which is a consists of a credenza and a desk, or divan and a desk and chairs.¶

Q. How many of these areas can you close off or partition?¶

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A. Each one. And after that there’s the state room.¶

Q. And in the state room - how big is the state room?¶

A. Consists of a queen size bed and two single seats.¶

Q. Have you ever been back in the state room?¶

A. Oh, yes. Yeah.¶

Q. When’s the first time you flew on the airplane with Jeffrey Epstein back in 2001, after he acquired the 727?¶

A. Can’t remember the first flight. Like I say, it was down for a while - probably - I think it was - had to take at least three to four months maybe to get it —¶

Q. And did you know of him flying on the airplane with girls accompanying him?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I don’t —¶

Q. Back in 2001.¶

A. With girls accompanying him?¶

Q. Yes.¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Where would he pick the girls up from?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I don’t know. They would arrive with him, you know, out of Palm Beach or out of New York. I don’t even remember where we went the first time. The first flight was probably New York, I think.¶

Q. Is it a private airport in New York where you would usually pull into or a commercial airport?¶

A. I think the first time we started going up there, I think, we were using White Plains, which is actually, it’s not a private airport. They all have some commercial service. It would have been White Plains, I believe, then later we started using¶

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Kennedy, and the service was so terrible in Kennedy and so expensive we went to Newark.¶

Q. When you would fly into White Plains or to Kennedy or Newark, would you always get off of the airplane or would you sometimes stay on and wait for passengers to board?¶

A. I don’t understand.¶

B. Well, when you stop an airplane —¶

C. Right.¶

D. — sometimes you get off the airplane and you go either through a, you know, through the airport or you go somewhere else, or your option is to stay on the airplane and not get off and wait for other people to get on before you take off.¶

A. Oh, no.¶

B. MR. REINHART: I’m sorry, can we clarify the “you”? Do you mean him personally or the people who were passengers on the plane that he was flying?¶

C. I’m talking about you personally.¶

D. Oh, no, it was rare that we ever did a through flight. We would normally go from Point A to Point B, and that was the destination.¶

E. I assume when he buys the plane initially it was in Ohio, right?¶

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A. Well, yeah, but — Q. Then you fly to Florida. A. Well, we crewed it to Florida and then it sat at a facility in Florida during negotiations, so it didn’t go directly from Ohio. Q. In 2001, when there still negotiations, where in Florida is the airplane? A. Lake City - Timco, Lake City. Q. During the negotiations, does it ever take off or is it grounded? A. No, no, it’s grounded, because on a Part 91 deviation it has to be under a specific maintenance program, so when it left The Limited, it left that maintenance program, and I had to transition it to the new program. Q. This is still sometime in 2001, right? A. Early, yes, yes. Q. And then it passes all inspections, I’m assuming? A. Right, right. Q. Then you take it to what airport to where it — A. PBI. Q. PBI? A. Here in West Palm.¶

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Q. While it’s at PBI airport, does it take off from there? A. No, not for — That’s when we were doing the modifications and upgrades. We were doing the avionics. Q. How long did that take? A. I don’t remember the exact time - maybe three to four months. Q. Who does it with you? A. Jet Aviation. Jet aviation did the avionics and soft goods. Q. And when you say the “soft goods,” what do you mean by that? A. Carpet, fabrics, leather, you know, different things like that. Q. When’s the first time it takes off then on a real flight - some time in 2001, but mid-year or something? A. Probably mid-year, maybe a little earlier than mid-year. Q. We’re talking about June of 2001? A. Right. Q. And where do you go? A. Can’t remember. I can’t remember for sure.¶

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Q. Who’s on the airplane? A. Well, obviously it would be Jeffrey. Q. Right. A. I can’t remember who all went. Q. Who were the pilots? A. I can’t remember that either. Q. Larry? A. No. MR. REINHART: Hold on. A. It would have been myself, for sure — because I was the only one with experience on the airplane - myself, Dave, I believe, would have been captain because he had been schooled, but I can’t remember Iarry took first flight or not. I think he was still in training. Q. Where did you go? A. I can’t remember. MR. PIKE: Form. A. I can’t remember if it was New York or — I would imagine it would be New York, but I can’t remember. Q. When you say you would imagine New York, I’m getting the impression that many of the flights went to and from New York. A. Yeah, primarily.¶

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Q. So if — A. And — Q. So any time you’re having to guess where it’s going, you’re saying New York because that’s the primary place it’s going. A. Correct. I would have remembered — I know I didn’t get — I had heard about St. Thomas, but I hadn’t been there right away. I didn’t get to go to St. Thomas for a while. Q. That’s later on in the story. A. Yes. Q. We’ll get there. So you go to New York. Does he tell you the purpose behind going to New York? A. No. Prior to this trip to New York, have you had a personal conversation with Jeffrey Epstein? A. No. MR. PIKE: Form. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Never? A. Not personal. Everything is business-related. Q. Okay, but — A. I mean, it was about the interior work or¶

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the avionics going in, but never personal.¶

Q. But, I mean, you’ve been hired by him —¶

A. Right.¶

Q. — you agreed on a salary, he’s going to pay you the salary, but other than that, and what maintenance may be required —¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. — on the airplane, nothing else?¶

A. He’s a very — His conversations are usually very short. He doesn’t, you know, take much time.¶

Q. When you would have conversations with him, would they be over the telephone or would they be in person?¶

A. It could be in both. If he was in Florida and I wanted to actually show him a fabric or a sample for the airplane or he wanted to view how it was coming, but oftentimes it would be via telephone from New York.¶

Q. When it would be in person, would you see him surrounded by or be accompanied by a girl or girls?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. At times, yeah.¶

Q. Would any of those girls be Ghislaine Maxwell?¶

A. At times, yes.¶

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Q. Would any of those girls look extremely young to you?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. Not — Not that I thought.¶

Q. Not back in 2001, we’re talking about?¶

A. Right, right.¶

Q. No.¶

What would Ghislaine Maxwell say to you, if anything?¶

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A. She’d — Mostly small talk, just — She kind of did the business management part of it as far as, you know, arranging cell phone - I was having cell phone problems with the company cell phone, she would handle things like that, but she would have minor inputs on the interior work.¶

Q. What was your understanding back in 2001 still of the relationship between Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I really didn’t understand it. I thought it was personal - personal and business.¶

Q. When you say “personal,” did you think it was sexual?¶

A. I thought maybe they were dating and, you¶

know, business relationship too.¶

Q. Did you know who Ghislaine Maxwell was?¶

A. Not right away, no, no.¶

Q. Not right away?¶

A. Right.¶

Q. At some point in time you were curious enough to make an attempt to find out.¶

A. No, I — MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. — heard about her and there was a book up in New York in the apartment that we stayed in that was — You know, you’re sitting there with nothing to do, I read that.¶

Q. Do you remember the name of the book?¶

A. It was just “Maxwell.”¶

Q. Have anything to do with her father?¶

A. Yeah, it was about him, that’s what it was about. I mostly just flipped through looking at pictures, boats, and airplanes and stuff.¶

Q. Back in 2001, the first time you had a real conversation with Ghislaine Maxwell — MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. — what did that conversation consist of, if you remember?¶

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A. I think it was concerning getting a cell phone and a pager - that’s it.¶

Q. Did it have anything to do with underage girls?¶

A. Absolutely not, no, no.¶

Q. That’s not something she ever shared with you?¶

A. No, no.¶

Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever share with you that he wanted underage girls —¶

A. No.¶

Q. — in any way?¶

A. No.¶

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Q. I mean, certainly I’m not saying something to you that’s an absolute shocker right now —¶

A. Right.¶

Q. — considering the newspaper articles.¶

A. Right, but I know — You have to understand, every conversation I had was pretty much business, just to deal with the airplanes. You know, I’m an employee/employer relationship.¶

Q. I just don’t want you to think I’m just asking random off the wall questions —¶

A. Right.¶

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Q. — that have nothing to do with anything.¶

A. I understand.¶

Q. 2001, you start working for him, and that June or so is the first flight, and you believe it’s to New York.¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. Do you remember the purpose behind the flight¶

A. No, did not know the purpose.¶

Q. Did you get off the airplane in New York?¶

A. Yes, yes.¶

Q. Where did you go?¶

A. Probably to - into the city, into the city, and he has an apartment building up there that we would stay in in the city.¶

Q. Is it paid for by Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. What?¶

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Q. The apartment.¶

A. Well, he — It’s — I think it’s in the building he owns. I mean, I just — I don’t know.¶

Q. Do you remember the address?¶

A. 301 East 66.¶

Q. 301 East 66 Street, right?¶

A. Right.¶

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Q. Did he ever mention a brother that he may have to you?¶

A. I met his brother, I think, once.¶

Q. What’s his name?¶

A. I can’t remember.¶

Q. Mark?¶

A. I remember meeting.¶

Q. Mark Epstein strike —¶

A. Honestly, I can’t say for sure.¶

Q. And how do you know that Jeffrey Epstein owns the apartment building at 301 East 66 Street?¶

A. Larry told me. I mean, it was just kind of known.¶

Q. Larry told you —¶

A. Yeah.¶

Q. — or Jeffrey told you?¶

A. Oh, no, not Jeffrey, no. Larry. I wouldn’t have asked Jeffrey.¶

Q. How many of those apartments up there in New York is it your understanding that Jeffrey owns?¶

MR. REINHART: I’m sorry, are you asking how many units are in the building or how many buildings?¶

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building. I’ve been to the building. The building is huge.¶

A. I don’t know. I don’t know if he owns the building or just - or how many units he’s got. Maybe ten, because I think some of the employees up there live in them.¶

Q. Do you remember who some of the other employees are that live in that building?¶

A. Well, I think Darren used to live in it, Darren Indyke.¶

Q. Darren Indyke, right. What about , do you remember he lived in there.¶

Q. What about a?¶

A. I don’t know if a lived in there or not.¶

Q. You know who that is, though.¶

A. Right, right. Actually, she was just kind of coming into the picture when I was - about the time when I was leaving.¶

Q. What about Ghislaine Maxwell?¶

A. No, no, she didn’t live there.¶

Q. What about Jean Luc Brunel?¶

A. No.¶

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A. Oh, no. I only saw him one time on a short flight. I don’t even know where we - we were probably taking him to and he was just - Jeffrey introduced him as his brother and it was very short, you know, just, “Oh, hi. How are you?”, and he went in the back.¶

Q. Do you know anything about the guy?¶

A. Uh-uh.¶

Q. Nothing?¶

A. Nothing.¶

Q. So in 2001, there’s a flight up there at some appointment in time, and you get off and you stay at one of the apartment buildings at East 66 Street.¶

A. Right, right.¶

Q. And did you meet any of the neighbors of the apartments that are also owned by Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. No, no, because when we’re there it’s usually just for a night or something and then, you know, we’re either airlining home or going on.¶

Q. How did you know Darren Indyke?¶

A. He’s our — He’s our business attorney for JEGE.¶

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1	Indyke and ?
2	A. Not that I remember, no.
3	Q. How about ?
4	A. I don't think lived there.
5	Q. Do you remember that name?
6	A. Yes.
7	Q. What about Cecelia Stein?
8	A. Cecelia Stein, no, I don't think so.
9	Q. Jeff Fuller?
0	A. I don't know Jeff Fuller. I don't even know Jeff Fuller.
1	Q. Do you know the name Jean Luc Brunel?
2	A. Yes.
3	Q. How do you know that name?
4	A. He's been -- He was a passenger on a few of our flights.
5	Q. Do you know why?
6	A. I think he was -- I don't know for sure.
9	He's in a modeling business with Mr. Epstein, I believe.
10	Q. MC2? Do you know that name - MC2 Modeling Agency - used to be Karin Modeling Agency, now it's MC
11	A. No.
12	Q. How do you know about his and Mr. Epstein's modeling agency? How do you know that?

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A. Just every once in a while he would say something about, you know, one of the model shoots or something. We normally had him on - we would take him back and forth to Paris.¶

Q. Where some of their models come from?¶

A. I don’t know.¶

Q. Did you ever bring some of the Paris models back?¶

A. Not that I’m aware of, no.¶

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Q. So he would go to Paris on the airplane, Jean Luc, would you drop him off there or would you pick people up and bring them back?¶

A. If I remember, normally we were bringing Jean Luc from Paris to New York, if I remember.¶

Q. And when you say that the modeling agency obviously that, you know, between him and Mr. Epstein is that something that Mr. Epstein would talk to you about or is that something that Jean Luc would talk to you about or you would just overhear the two?¶

A. Overhear the two, or Jean Luc may say something about one of the shoots or something, just in general conversation.¶

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A. I never heard — There was one incident — The only thing I remember about it is they were on a shoot - and it’s not funny, but Jeff - but it is in a way - they were in a motor home on location at the shoot, and they started to drive off and one of the models asked to use the restroom and they told her which door it was and she went out the side door, so grabbed the wrong door, but that’s actually the only thing that sticks in mind - was that one.¶

Q. Have you ever done any research on Jean Luc Brunel?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Do you have any idea that he’s known throughout Europe as somebody who has sex with underage girls?¶

A. No.¶

Q. You didn’t know that until right now?¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. That’s something that you’re learning as a surprise to you.¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. So Cecelia Stein - somebody you never heard of?¶

A. It sounds familiar. I’m trying to place¶

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her. I don’t know if she works in the office or —¶

Q. Or worked in the office?¶

A. Worked in the office, yeah. I very rarely went to the office. I mean —¶

Q. - how do you know her?¶

A. From the flights - being on the airplane.¶

Q. How many times was she on the airplane?¶

A. Quite a few. Almost every.¶

Q. Did Mr. Epstein ever once mention to you that he likes massages?¶

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A. No, he never mentioned that to me.¶

Q. That’s not something that you ever heard of, right?¶

A. Well, I —¶

Q. I mean, outside of the articles that you’ve read.¶

A. Right. No, but he never came up to me and said, “I like massages.”¶

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what she may call “work” or “massages” for Epstein?¶

A. No, no, I don’t.¶

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Q. We’re still talking about a time period back in 2001, right, in these —¶

A. No. - I don’t remember coming into the picture until later.¶

Q. Later in 2000-something?¶

A. No, she wasn’t around at first.¶

Q. Alright.¶

A. No. I don’t remember when exactly but she —¶

Q. Who was making the arrangements for meetings and such prior —¶

A. Ms. Maxwell.¶

Q. — that you remember?¶

So Maxwell was the, for all intents and purposes,¶

A. For all intents and purposes, yes.¶

Q. And did you ever hear of Ms. Maxwell making arrangements for massages or for girls or anything else?¶

A. No.¶

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Q. Where were the conversations - whether it was travel or whatever else - that was occurring between Maxwell and/or ? Where were they taking place - on the airplane, some office?¶

A. Yeah. No, no, usually in the cockpit, you know, prior to departure, en route stating, “We’ve got this many cars and I’ve contacted” or “Can you call such and such to have this brought out?”¶

Q. Did you ever see Epstein work a lot?¶

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Q. Always had a computer?¶

A. No, no, it’s just a large briefcase.¶

Q. Did you ever know his e-mail?¶

A. Yeah, I had it — I can’t remember what it was and I don’t think it’s even current - but when I would have to send him e-mails about the interior or maintenance issues. It was jeprojects, or something like that, at — I don’t know if it was at Yahoo or gmail. I don’t think it was gmail.¶

Q. You think it was jeprojects?¶

A. I believe so, but I can’t remember what service.¶

Q. At gmail.com or something?¶

A. Or something like that or Yahoo or something.¶

Q. How about Ms. Maxwell?¶

A. It was , I think.¶

Q. Do you know if that’s still current?¶

A. No, I don’t.¶

Q. How about ?¶

A. I had it at one time and I know she changed it and I don’t know what it is. I can’t remember what it was, actually.¶

right now?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Do you know if she’s intentionally on the lam to try to avoid being deposed in this case?¶

A. No.¶

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A. No idea. I haven’t had any contact with since I stopped flying.¶

Q. You say that was just coming in the picture - is the words that you used. What did you mear by this?¶

A. Well, I mean she was just — I’m trying to remember when I first started seeing her on the airplane. I think it was not too long before I quit flying. I can’t remember the exact date.¶

Q. When did you stop flying?¶

A. In February of ‘07.¶

Q. February ‘07?¶

A. Yep.¶

Q. And you don’t think you saw her on the airplane until before that?¶

A. No, I’m saying she was only coming into the picture like maybe six months before that or so or — I don’t know for sure.¶

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A. Oh, no, not that early.¶

Q. Do you know where she came from?¶

A. Just what I’ve read in the paper - an eastern country. I’m sorry, I don’t remember the country.¶

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A. No. I did read something like that in the paper, but, no, never heard of that.¶

Q. Did you ever see him and her sexually involved on the airplane or otherwise?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Did you ever see Epstein involved sexually with anybody on the airplane?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Did you ever see the airplane used for sexual purposes?¶

A. No.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

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have even been something that you could have seen?¶

A. No, no, if it was - if the doors were closed, no.¶

Q. So there’s a back room that you’ve described that has a bed in it, and if that door’s closed you don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors, right?¶

A. That’s correct.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. Do you remember a time Epstein was back in that back room with other people?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. No.¶

Q. Are you saying it never happened while you were on the airplane?¶

A. I really have no idea of knowing because, one, we never go back there unless we’re invited back.¶

Q. Okay.¶

A. And the forward door - the very forward salon door is closed, so we never even normally go into that —¶

Q. So you don’t really know —¶

A. — without permission.¶

Q. You don’t really know what happens -to his involvement with Mr. Epstein?¶

A. An attorney for the company.¶

Q. Ever met Alan Dershowitz?¶

A. I think—Yes.¶

Q. How did you meet him?¶

A. Alan Dershowitz. I don’t know if it was¶

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A. No.¶

Q. — in the back of the airplane.¶

A. No.¶

Q. So anything could go on. You would have no idea.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

Q. You could sit here and testify truthfully, “I have no clue what’s going on back there.”¶

A. That’s correct. That’s correct.¶

Q. Darren Indyke - what’s your understanding as¶

Mr. Goldberger or Alan Dershowitz. We brought some attorneys down —¶

Q. Why?¶

A. — to Florida one time.¶

Q. Why?¶

A. For Mr. Epstein. It was right before I finished flying. For Mr. Epstein to make an appearance at the courthouse or a meeting or¶

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something, and we brought some attorneys with him.¶

Q. And were you aware then of the allegations against Mr. Epstein?¶

A. They were starting to brew, yes.¶

Q. Were you still actively working on his payroll at the time when the investigation was going on?¶

A. Yes, when it just started.¶

Q. And did that impact you in any way as to whether or not you wanted to be affiliated with this person?¶

A. Subconsciously, it may have. And it wasn’t because of this person, but as a business decision, if, you know, an airplane’s not needed and I don’t fly, I could be out of work. But, no, the primary reason was the fact that I did want to get off the road and back home.¶

Q. Do you have children?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. How old?¶

A. A daughter 28, son 24, and a daughter 17 - all with the same bride - 31 years.¶

Q. I’m assuming you’re aware of the factual allegations in these complaints?¶

A. Yes, yes.¶

Q. And you are aware that there are hundreds o¶

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girls who are underage who claim to have had sex with Mr. Epstein as well as Ms. Maxwell at various times?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I was only aware of — First time I was made aware of it, of the number of people, was when they served me the subpoena. The deputies or retired—¶

Q. Yes.¶

A. — private eyes told me that. That was the first I had heard a number.¶

Q. Were you completely oblivious that this was going on? And by “this” I mean Epstein and/or Ghislaine Maxwell and/or recruiting 12, 13, 14, 15-year-old girls to his house for sex?¶

A. Absolutely I was oblivious to it.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. If young girls were on an airplane that you were on - considering that we’ve now established how the airplane’s set up and you’re kind of cordoned off - is it possible that underage girls would have been on the airplane and you just wouldn’t have known about it?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. No, no. I mean, people don’t board the airplane with - you know, and then just say, “Close¶

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the door, we’re going.” You know, you see who boards the airplane.¶

Q. So if there were flight records that show underage girls on the airplane, you would know about it?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. Not necessarily.¶

Q. Well, how not?¶

MR. REINHART: I’m sorry.¶

A. Well, how do you —¶

MR. REINHART: When you say “them,” do you mean he would know about the records or he would know about the girls allegedly on the plane?¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. You would know about the underage girls on the airplane if they were on there.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. How do you — How would I know that they’re underage, though?¶

Q. Well, you would only know that they look extremely young, right?¶

A. But —¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. — what is the intent of them? I mean, are they guests or are they friends of his associates or -anybody that was obviously, blatantly underage.¶

Q. Any famous people that you can tell me that were on the airplane?¶

A. President Clinton - Ex-President Clinton.¶

Q. Were you on the airplane —¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. — when he was on it?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. How many times?¶

A. Two trips. I mean, two extended trips.¶

Q. Where did it go?¶

A. The first one - or the first one was Asia.¶

Q. What purpose?¶

A. I forget what the purpose was on that one.¶

Q. Was Jeffrey Epstein on the airplane as well?¶

A. Yes, yes.¶

Q. Who else was on the airplane then?¶

A. I don’t remember on that one. It was primarily him and his support staff.¶

Q. Was ___?¶

A. Probably, yes, probably.¶

Q. When’s the next time President Clinton was on his airplane?¶

A. I don’t remember the date, but we did a Africa trip, an AIDS awareness tour. We did like ten¶

Q. Okay. I’ll ask it a different way.¶

A. Because we have had — You know, he’s got a goddaughter and godson that were young, I mean.¶

Q. Okay. Over the years —¶

A. I mean, I don’t know what the purpose —¶

Q. Right. I totally understand what you’re saying.¶

Over the years, when you were on Jeffrey Epstein’s airplane, were you aware between 2001 and wherever you stopped, 2007 —¶

A. Seven.¶

Q. — were you aware of girls that appeared very underage on the airplane?¶

A. No.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. I’m not saying what was happening on the airplane. I’m just saying, were you aware of it?¶

A. No, not - unless they were there, like I said, his goddaughter at the time. One time - a couple times we flew her with her mom and dad where don’t even know their age.¶

MR. PIKE: Again, form, asked and answered.¶

A. Six or seven. But, no, I was not aware of¶

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Q. Is that a time Chris Tucker —¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. — and Kevin Spacey were also on it?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. In addition to the people that we’ve named, were there females on that airplane?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. And who were the females that were on the airplane?¶

A. Can’t remember. Ms. Maxwell, I can remember, and a couple others, and there’s - Mr. Clinton had - a couple of his support staff were women also.¶

Q. Where were you sitting during these trips?¶

A. Up front in the - my station.¶

Q. Could you see what they were doing where you were?¶

A. No, no.¶

Q. Could you tell if there was any sex going on on the airplane while you were on it?¶

A. No.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

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that airplane or would you have been able to tell?¶

A. No.¶

MR. REINHART: I’m sorry —¶

MR. PIKE: Asked and answered.¶

MR. REINHART: — are you limiting it to that trip?¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. To that trip.¶

A. No, I’m not aware of it.¶

Q. If you had been aware of underage girls being transported on the airplane for the purposes of sex, would you have said something to somebody?¶

A. Yes.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

MR. EDWARDS: Do you mind if we take a five-minute break? I just have to run to the bathroom.¶

MR. PIKE: Actually, Brad, can you hear me?¶

MR. EDWARDS: Yes.¶

MR. PIKE: How much longer do you anticipate going with this witness?¶

MR. EDWARDS: Hour, maybe a little longer.¶

MR. PIKE: Well, are you going to take a lunch break or what?¶

MR. EDWARDS: No. I mean, unless everybody wants to take a lunch break. Everybody’s shaking their heads, so, no, I’m going to take a bathroom break, and it’s going to be a fast one.¶

MR. PIKE: Okay.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. In 2001, when you’re on this flight to New York and then during that year we talked a little bit about it, is Larry Visoski and David Rodgers also on some of these flights?¶

A. Most, yes.¶

Q. If somebody’s going to keep passenger logs, who’s going to write down the names of the people? Is that going to be you or is that somebody else’s responsibility?¶

A. Whoever is captain.¶

Q. So normally it’s Visoski or David Rodgers?¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. Who do you turn these logs into?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I don’t know. I don’t know where they go.¶

Q. You don’t know the purpose behind keeping them or anything?¶

A. No.¶

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Q. As far as you’re concerned, you don’t even need to keep them.¶

A. Correct. Yeah.¶

Q. As just due diligence - going above and beyond?¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. Today you have an attorney sitting right next to you, right?¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. Is that somebody that you’ve known for a long time?¶

A. No.¶

Q. You’re paying for an attorney to sit here with you?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Who’s paying for your attorney?¶

A. Mr. Epstein.¶

Q. Are you worried that you’re criminally¶

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MR. PIKE: Brad. Brad. Brad. Q. — going to get an attorney — MR. REINHART: Brad, hold on. MR. PIKE: Whoa. Whoa. Stop. MR. EDWARDS: I’m listening. MR. PIKE: Brad. MR. EDWARDS: Go. MR. PIKE: You are not allowing the witness to finish his statements throughout this entire depo. Please. I am on the phone. You start your question before the witness is finished. I’m sorry for raising my voice, but you must allow the witness to finish his answer, please. MR. EDWARDS: You got it. THE WITNESS: What was your question now? I forgot. MR. EDWARDS: I’m sitting here looking at the witness and have a feeling we’re going to be sitting here for 30 minutes, but I will do that for you, Mr. Pike. MR. PIKE: Alright. THE WITNESS: What was the question again, please? MR. EDWARDS: Can I ask the question again¶

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or wait! I’ll wait for you. MR. PIKE: If I’m ready. MR. EDWARDS: I already asked the question, so we’re waiting. MR. REINHART: I think the witness asked you to repeat the question. MR. EDWARDS: Are you good? Alright. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Who hired your attorney? A. Mr. Epstein. Q. And do you have any idea why, if you’re a witness in a case - no problems criminally - why you personally have an attorney paid for by Mr. Epstein to sit here with you? MR. PIKE: Form. A. No, I don’t. Q. Do you want an attorney to sit here with you while I ask you questions? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I don’t know what the proper protocol is. Q. Okay. A. I have very limited exposure to anything like this. Q. How did this come about to where you have an attorney as a witness - completely innocent witness - in¶

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this case against Mr. Epstein? MR. REINHART: Let me ask him not to answer that. MR. PIKE: Form. MR. REINHART: It’s privileged. MR. EDWARDS: It’s privileged between Mr. Epstein and you, but is it privileged between the two of you? MR. REINHART: Between Mr. Morrison and me.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Is it your understanding that he represents you or he represents Mr. Epstein? A. He represents me. Q. Okay. Do you think that you’ve done anything wrong criminally? A. No. Q. Do you think that you’re being sued civilly? A. No. Q. And you have no reason to be sued civilly, right? A. Correct. Q. Did you talk to Mr. Epstein prior to taking your deposition today? A. Oh, no. I haven’t talked to him in well¶

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over a year-and-a-half, maybe two years, and that was just a “hello” because I’m at the airplane one day. Q. So how is it you know that Mr. Epstein paid for your attorney? MR. REINHART: It’s privileged. MR. EDWARDS: Okay. That answers my question. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Have you ever met Donald Trump? A. Yes. Q. How? A. He was — He boarded the airplane one day when ours was on the ramp. Q. And did you talk to him? A. Just he introduced himself and I introduced myself. Q. And did he talk to Mr. Epstein? A. No. Mr. Epstein wasn’t present. I was doing maintenance. Q. And did he fly on the plane? A. No. Q. Not that time? A. Never. Q. You think he never flew on the plane? A. On our airplane?¶

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Q. Yes.¶

A. No.¶

Q. So if somebody has given testimony other than that, you would say that person is mistaken or lying?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. Donald Trump was never on the airplane when I was on the airplane.¶

Q. Is it your understanding that Donald Trump is friends with Mr. Epstein?¶

A. From what I’ve read - or associates. I don’t know how that circle works.¶

Q. What’s your understanding as to who Mr. Epstein’s real friends are?¶

A. I really don’t know. I don’t — I don’t know. It’s — It’s not like the Wexners where, you know, they were high school associates, you know, growing up.¶

Q. Do you know what Mr. Epstein did prior to managing the money for Mr. Wexner?¶

A. Just that he was a Wall Street broker or somebody, you know.¶

Q. Also from reading?¶

A. Yes, yes.¶

Q. Do you know any personal knowledge as to why Mr. Epstein has told you about how he made money?¶

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A. He’s never —¶

MR. PIKE: I’m going to move to strike any responses relative to what the witness has learned from reading.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. And so that is why I asked the question: Has Mr. Epstein told you? Which would have nothing to do with reading.¶

A. No.¶

Q. How many conversations have you personally had with Mr. Epstein?¶

A. No personal conversations - all business.¶

Q. Have you witnessed Mr. Epstein with any girls that look to be under the age of 18?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Have you witnessed Mr. Epstein with young-looking girls that appear to be in their twenties?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. On how many occasions?¶

A. Probably several.¶

Q. And how did that come about?¶

A. I mean, they show up and ride on the airplane, you know.¶

Q. And who are they, if you know?¶

A. I don’t know. I don’t understand. I don’t know. I didn’t know if maybe she was like an exchange — Jeffrey always appeared to be very involved in education and philanthropy. I didn’t know if she was an exchange-type student or something or what. I don’t know.¶

Q. When you say he appeared to be “involved in,” what do you mean?¶

A. Educational things, foundations, science foundations, and things.¶

Q. Speaking of - the Florida Science Foundation is a place where, when he was on work release, he spent lot of time there, you’re aware of that?¶

A. That’s what I’ve heard, yeah.¶

Q. What does that place do?¶

A. I have no idea.¶

Q. Does it do anything?¶

A. I don’t know. I don’t know anything about it.¶

Q. Certainly you’ve read certain newspaper articles about the allegations, police reports,¶

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otherwise, the allegations that occurred or have been alleged to have occurred at his Palm Beach mansion, correct?¶

A. Uh-huh.¶

Q. Correct?¶

A. Correct.¶

O. Given the nature of the¶

Q. Given the nature of those allegations, would you leave your daughter of 17, 16, 15 years old with Mr. Epstein alone?¶

MR. PIKE: Form. Move to strike.¶

A. Yes.¶

B. You would?¶

C. (Witness nods head.)¶

D. And why?¶

E. Because I don’t fear that he would *¶

A. Because I don’t fear that he would try anything with my daughter. He showed — When I worked for him he showed me respect. He never — I never — He never showed me disrespect. He would ask how the family is. I mean, not on a personal level, but an employer/employee.¶

Q. Right. Okay.¶

A. He never showed me any reason not to trust him.¶

Q. But you’re not a 13-year old girl, so.¶

A. No, but, like I say, he never showed me¶

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Q. So maybe that’s the reason why there were hundreds of victims, right?¶

A. I don’t know that there were.¶

Q. So is it surprising to read the things that you read about what was going on at his house?¶

A. Yes.¶

MR. PIKE: Form. Move to strike.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. I’m going to ask you about — I’m going to mark them all — In fact, I’m going to show them to your attorney first because I’m going to mark them as a composite - just to save time.¶

MR. REINHART: For the record, you’ve handed me a stack of passenger manifests?¶

MR. EDWARDS: Yes. You can count them if you want, doesn’t matter to me, and we’ll just mark them as a composite - go through each one of them.¶

MR. REINHART: If you’re going to go through each one of them, I don’t need to count them. You’ll make a record on that.¶

MR. EDWARDS: Fine. I’m going to mark these as Composite Exhibit 1, and we’ll count them at the end.¶

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BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. The first one’s dated 1/14/2004. Can you tell me what we’re looking at there? Just remember, I’m about as familiar with that type of stuff as a three year old, so help me out.¶

A. Passenger manifest just showing basically date, time off, time on, the trip number of the year, I guess it would be - that seems high for the year - but trip number - that must be for the total - destination or departure point - destination.¶

Q. The trip number says, “311.” What does that mean?¶

A. That must be — I don’t know where they start that. That must have been total since he started the airplane. That’s way too many for the year. Obviously it’s already - it’s January, so it must have been total flights.¶

Q. Who’s on that airplane?¶

A. Nautical miles, statute miles, fuel burned, poundage.¶

and -¶

Q. Do you know ?¶

A. I—I think I know her. I think I would¶

know her if I saw her.¶

Q. What did she do?¶

A. I don’t know. I don’t know.¶

Q. Would it surprise you if she was in charge of scheduling for the minors to come over to the house to sexually gratify Mr. Epstein?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. Yeah, that would surprise me, yes.¶

Q. Okay. She didn’t do that while you were on the airplane, right?¶

A. No, no.¶

Q. Was Mr. Epstein on the airplane?¶

MR. PIKE: Form. When?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. And if it happened, it happened at a portion of the airplane where you couldn’t see it because you were partitioned off?¶

A. What happened?¶

MR. REINHART: I’m sorry, can we just get a timeframe?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

MR. REINHART: Are we talking about this flight?¶

MR. EDWARDS: Yes, we’re talking about that flight.¶

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Q. If anything happened on the airplane, it would have been in a position where you couldn’t see it anyway.¶

A. That’s correct.¶

Q. Okay.¶

A. That’s correct.¶

Q. So you’re not saying it did happen or it didn’t happen, you just couldn’t see past a certain point.¶

A. Correct, and I don’t know what you’re referring to as “it” anyways.¶

Q. “It” is whatever sexual involvement there was.¶

A. Oh. Like you say, we can’t see anything back there anyhow because the doors are closed.¶

Q. Did Mr. Epstein instruct you as to whether or not to knock or just walk back there or never walk back there or what was the instruction?¶

A. No. There was never actually a formal instruction. It’s proper protocol for any of these gentlemen, or individuals that own these aircraft, that that’s their private zone, that you don’t come back unless you’re needed, and then you can — You know, but it’s not forebode, it’s just proper.¶

Q. You mentioned President Clinton on the plane. How many girls were on the plane at the same time when¶

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A. Yeah, I don’t remember for sure. There was probably maybe five, if that, and that’s —¶

Q. What were they —¶

A. What?¶

Q. Go ahead.¶

A. Like I say, it was Ms. Maxwell, maybe two others, one other, and then I think Mr. Clinton had two ladies in his entourage - support staff.¶

Q. What age group are we talking about with the ladies that were on the airplane?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. Mid-twenties to forties, maybe. I mean, I don’t know exactly.¶

Q. I mean, you know what a 13 or 14-year-old girl looks like —¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. — right?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Most people do.¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. You wouldn’t mistake a 13 or 14 or 15 year old¶

Q. You wouldn’t mistake a 13 or 14 or 15 year old for a 20 year old.¶

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A. No, no.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. So you’re sure that the people that were on the airplane - they were above the age of 18?¶

A. I believe so.¶

Q. Because you, in your experience, as well as the experience of most people your age, would know —¶

A. Right.¶

Q. — what a 14 or 15 year old looks like.¶

A. Right.¶

Q. I’m going to go through the next flight log.¶

You tell me what we’re looking at here. Who’s on the airplane?¶

A. That was a deadhead. Nobody’s on it.¶

Q. Why were the names crossed out?¶

A. Because there was no passengers. This was¶

• origin was West Palm Beach - West Palm Beach. What date is this? 1/20/04? It was probably a test flight.

Q. Okay.¶

A. It was a training flight —¶

Q. Okay.¶

A. — for Bill.¶

Q. The next one — Well, before I ask this: Were¶

you familiar with a flight where Prince Andrew was on airplane?¶

A. I don’t know if I remember him being on the airplane or not. I know that he has been on the airplane or one of the airplanes. I can’t say for sure.¶

Q. Have you met him before?¶

A. I can’t remember, honestly. I know.¶

Q. Can’t remember meeting Prince Andrew?¶

A. I know. I know. I didn’t even know who he was when I first heard the name, sorry. But, no, I can’t remember for sure, I’m sorry.¶

Q. That’s like if E.T. walked on the airplane and I don’t know.¶

A. I know. Well —¶

Q. Alright. I’ll let you slide on that one. You know who Prince Andrew is now.¶

A. Okay. Don’t paint me as stupid. One of Lady Di’s sons, right?¶

Q. I mean, you know what he looks like now.¶

A. You know, honestly, I don’t know if I could point him out to you, I’m sorry.¶

Q. Alright.¶

A. It’s just —¶

Q. We’ll forget him.¶

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Q. We’ll forget him. We’ll forget him. Don’t worry about it.¶

What’s this? What are we looking at?¶

MR. REINHART: For the record, you handed him a manifest dated January 17, 2005; is that correct?¶

THE WITNESS: January — Yes. Correct.¶

Palm Beach to Kennedy, same thing, fuel burns, loads, destination, time off, time on.¶

Next, it was trip 312. Jeffrey is on it,¶

David Mullen, Todd Myster (sic),¶

and passenger, passenger.¶

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Q. Do you know Todd Meister?¶

A. He’s a friend of his, I believe.¶

Q. Father’s Bob Meister? Do you know the names?¶

A. No, I don’t know that.¶

Q. How do you know Todd Meister?¶

A. I’ve just heard the name.¶

Q. From who?¶

A. Larry Visoski.¶

Q. Larry Visoski knows these people?¶

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crew.¶

Q. For the most part, when you mention these people’s names, you mention them as if they’re just passengers on the airplane and this is their world - you’re passing through, you don’t know them.¶

A. Right.¶

Q. But Visoski - would you say that he has a closer relationship with Epstein to where he might know some of these people?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. That could be an accurate - yeah. I mean, he’s been with Jeffrey longer. I mean —¶

Q. I mean, do you know that Visoski has a car that is registered in Jeffrey Epstein’s name? You don’t have anything like that, do you?¶

A. No, I did not.¶

Q. Were you aware of that?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Does Mr. Visoski tell you how far he goes back with Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. No, just, I mean, when he hired him, whenever that was after Glimcher - that’s all I know.¶

Q. Do you know anything about Visoski’s private life?¶

A. A little bit. He’s married and-¶

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Q. Then I won’t go into the rest of his private life.¶

When it says, “1 pay, 1 pay,” what does that mean?¶

A. It’s “PAX.” P-A-X is short for “passenger.” It’s a brief.¶

Q. Okay. Look, this is somebody that is listing names of people on an airplane. They’re going out of their way —¶

A. Right.¶

Q. — and then all of a sudden on No. 8 and 9 they say, “one passenger.” Is this person just getting lazy or is there a reason why there’s no name?¶

A. Like I say, just getting lazy and then didn’t know who the passenger was.¶

Q. Well, they obviously didn’t know who Todd Meister was either - they wrote his name all wrong.¶

A. They did?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

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Q. Well, “Meister” is not spelled like that, so how did —¶

A. I didn’t — I didn’t know that. I don’t know how he — How does he spell it?¶

Q. Well, do you know whose handwriting that is?¶

A. No, no, I don’t. It may be Larry’s.¶

Q. Similar handwriting —¶

A. Wait a minute.¶

Q. — as those —¶

A. Let’s see the one with the training because there’s a different pilot on there.¶

Q. Right. One where there is nobody on it, right?¶

A. This is Bill’s — I can’t — This is Bill’s writing. I think he was having him fill out the paperwork.¶

Q. Bill Hammond?¶

A. Yeah, this was his training flight.¶

Q. The first one is Visoski?¶

A. Maybe. I can’t say for sure. I really can’t say for sure.¶

Q. And this is?¶

A. I don’t know if that’s the same handwriting or not.¶

Q. Well, is there any indication up here that would tell us whose handwriting it is? David Rodgers an Larry Visoski —¶

A. No, because this is —¶

Q. — are the pilots.¶

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A. Yeah, but they don’t indicate - they don’t indicate who’s captain that day. You know, I’m not a handwriting expert. I can’t really — Honestly, I can’t tell you for sure whose handwriting it was.¶

Q. Let’s keep this one out, and tell me if this is — I’m going to hand you January 19, 2005 — MR. REINHART: January 17.¶

MR. EDWARDS: 2005?¶

MR. REINHART: Yes.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. — January 17, 2005, so two days later - where is this airplane going?¶

A. From Kennedy to Palm Beach.¶

Q. And so this is Palm Beach to Kennedy —¶

A. Yep.¶

Q. — in this exhibit. The next one is Kennedy to Palm Beach.¶

A. Correct.¶

Q. They come back. Where do they stay - do you know?¶

A. What do you mean?¶

Q. Well, they get off on the 17th, they stay somewhere until they come back on the 19th. Do you know where they stay?¶

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out “Ghislaine Maxwell,” so I’m assuming she didn’t go.¶

A. Correct.¶

I have no idea where they stayed. I assume Jeffrey would stay in his home. would stay in her apartment. As for all the others, I have no idea.¶

Q. Have you ever been to Jeffrey Epstein’s home in New York?¶

A. Just in the lower level of the entryway.¶

Q. Why did you go?¶

A. To pick up bags for the trip to go to the airport and load them.¶

Q. Was there anybody else there with him?¶

A. I don’t know with him. I never saw him him. We saw the guy that ran the house.¶

Q. Who’s that - Joe-Joe?¶

A. Joe-Joe would be there —¶

Q. What’s Joe-Joe’s name?¶

A. Joe-Joe, that’s all I know, and then there’s the actual house manager. Joe-Joe is more of¶

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a driver, and then there’s the house manager - I forget his name.¶

But, yeah, we would meet — There’s an office in the lower level that the bags would be at, and we would put them in the back of the van, haul them to the airport.¶

Q. Who’s David Mullen?¶

A. I don’t know. I heard of it. It sounds familiar. I can’t remember who he is.¶

Q. Somebody that lives in New York, Palm Beach?¶

A. I don’t know. I don’t know.¶

Q. I’m trying to keep them in order.¶

So coming back - you know, it looks like they take to JFK: David Mullen, Tod Myster (sic), some passengers unnamed - they come back with only¶

Q. The next one is January 27, 2005, Palm Beach to where?¶

A. St. Thomas.¶

B. To St. Thomas.¶

C. Right.¶

D. And he has and and Jeffrey.¶

A. Right.¶

A. No, but, I mean, it’s not unusual for these guys to, you know, take somebody - let somebody have a free ride to New York if they know them, they are acquaintances, need a lift, I mean, that’s not unusual.¶

Q. How’s that come about - do you know?¶

A. No, I don’t - phone conversations,¶

cocktail parties. I don’t know.¶

Q. Does he tell you what happens in St. Thomas?¶

What he does there?¶

A. No, no.¶

Q. Ever heard that he imports underage girls from Brazil to his —¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

Q. — island in St. Thomas?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. No, no, never heard that.¶

A. Not a lot. I mean, he would sometimes talk about construction stuff or I would hear him - overhear him and Larry talk about the helicopter pad that they’re putting in, little stuff like that - all construction.¶

Q. Did he tell you two or three times a day, that he sexually abuses girls between 12 and 15 years old?¶

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A. No.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. Not something he ever mentions.¶

A. No, no.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

Q. The next - 2/3/05 - who’s on the passenger list?¶

A. Jeffrey, , Jean Luc, David Mullen, female, female, female.¶

Q. Any idea why they would list “female, female, female,” without listing the names?¶

A. No, just the same as — The only idea I would have would be the same reasoning for the - previously when they listed them as just “PAX” - that they didn’t have any idea who they were, what their name was.¶

Q. I mean, certainly that’s —¶

A. I don’t know whose handwriting that is.¶

Q. You’re guessing, though, right?¶

A. Yeah. No, I’m guessing. I have no idea.¶

Q. Another guess would be they’re 12 years old and you can’t put them on it.¶

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A. I wouldn’t say that. I don’t know that.¶

Q. Have you ever been on an airplane where you looked at this and you thought, “Hey, that’s kind of strange that they wouldn’t list them by name. They’re talking about it generically: Female, female, female”?¶

A. But they also —¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. — on another one: PAX, PAX, PAX.¶

Q. You never thought that was odd either?¶

A. No. I never actually even really paid attention to this paperwork. I don’t see this.¶

MS. EZELL: Brad, excuse me - this is Kathy Ezell - is there a date on that manifest you’re showing?¶

MR. EDWARDS: It’s 2/3/05.¶

MS. EZELL: Thanks.¶

MR. EDWARDS: Is that your 12-year old client listed as No. 6?¶

MR. PIKE: Form. Move to strike.¶

MS. EZELL: No, but —¶

MR. EDWARDS: Okay, sorry, somebody else’s.¶

MS. EZELL: Okay. Thanks.¶

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Q. 2/7/05 - who’s on there?¶

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A. Jeffrey, , David Mullen, Jansen,¶

Q. Do you know who Jansen is?¶

A. No.¶

Q. David Mullen travels a lot. Do you have any idea what his relationship is with Mr. Epstein?¶

A. I don’t even know who David Mullen really is.¶

Q. Have you ever seen him?¶

A. I might be able to place him if I saw a picture of him.¶

Q. I mean, obviously you’re on the airplane with him a lot.¶

A. Yeah, so, I mean, obviously I would recognize him if I saw a picture.¶

Q. Do you know if he travels with anybody else or this?¶

A. Unless it’s that one name I don’t recognize - that Jansen, or whatever.¶

Q. But Jansen’s not somebody you know?¶

A. No, no.¶

Q. I can’t read that date - maybe you can. I got a bad fax copy.¶

A. Maybe 2-2/10.¶

Q. That’s Michael Pike not wanting me to know¶

what it says.¶

A. It’s — I think it’s a 2-2/10.¶

Q. Alright. Can you tell us who’s on that airplane?¶

A. Jeffrey, looks like - is that Jean Luc?¶

Q. Yeah.¶

A. That’s Jean Luc, I think, and -¶

(sic).¶

Q. Jean Luc is another one who travels quite frequently. Why, if you know, does he travel quite frequently on these airplanes to and from New York with Jeffrey Epstein - any idea?¶

A. My only assumption was business, and that’s just an assumption.¶

Q. What kind of business do you know of that they have in common?¶

A. I was under the impression a modeling business.¶

Q. Other than the modeling agency, what other business do they engage in together, if you know?¶

A. I don’t know.¶

Q. And has Jeffrey Epstein ever talked to you or loud enough to which you could hear him discussing the modeling agency?¶

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MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. No, just that the only conversation he ever - I remember - was the one that he - the one about the girl opening the wrong door on the motor home.¶

Q. Was he happy or sad about the modeling agency?¶

A. No, he was happy she wasn’t injured, but he was kind of making light of what a silly thing to do, you know.¶

Q. Do you know if Jean Luc is the one procuring the models or is Jeffrey procuring the models?¶

A. I don’t know.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. You never investigated into how this modeling agency is doing or anything else?¶

A. No, no interest.¶

Q. You try to stay completely out of it?¶

A. No interest.¶

Q. Especially in light of the recent things you’ve read.¶

A. I mean, I didn’t have any interest in it before all the recent things.¶

Q. I’m going to skip this one because it talks about very similar people that you’ve already read¶

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Q. No different names.¶

MR. REINHART: Can we just get the date on the record?¶

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Q. Well, actually, we don’t have to skip it.¶

2/15/05 - that’s the date, right?¶

A. Right.¶

Q. And it says: Ghislaine Maxwell —¶

A. Okay.¶

Q. — , and (sic); is that right?¶

A. That’s what it says.¶

Q. Is that a typical crew that you would see on the plane?¶

A. What year is this? In ‘05?¶

Q. Yes.¶

A. Yes, but towards the end there, I think the last year, I only saw Ms. Maxwell once.¶

Q. Do you know of any falling out of sorts that Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein had?¶

A. Well, no. I think they still — I think she still has a lot of association, or whatever.¶

Q. Do you think they are still a couple?¶

A. I don’t know that they ever were. I never¶

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did figure out the relationship, other than I assumed they were a couple and she was a business assistant associate, but that was all assumption.¶

Q. Did you ever know of Jeffrey Epstein to have a girlfriend, per se?¶

A. If it would have been, it would have been Ms. Maxwell.¶

Q. Other than Ms. Maxwell, could you identify any other female that appeared to be in an intimate relationship with Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. Not really, not that I - not that I could say it was a relationship, no.¶

Q. I’m going to show you another one. I don’t know these people. Tell me who they are. It looks like you’re on the airplane —¶

MR. REINHART: Can we get a —¶

Q. — and the date is 2/21/05.¶

A. Right.¶

Q. Which is ten days after the previous. It’s going —¶

A. I don’t know who the Stanleys are.¶

Q. And it’s going from the island.¶

A. To —¶

Q. Palm Beach.¶

A. — Palm Beach. I don’t know who the¶

Stanleys are.¶

Q. Ever heard of them?¶

A. No.¶

Q. As far as you’re concerned, they’re some islanders or something, right? I mean —¶

A. Well, they might be — I mean —¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. — there’s a lot of wealthy people down there. They might have been friends or associates that needed a lift back stateside.¶

Q. Fair enough.¶

What’s the next one?¶

A. Teterboro to PBI.¶

Q. And who’s on it?¶

A. Jeffrey, and MR. REINHART: Can we get a date for the record?¶

THE WITNESS: 2/24.¶

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Q. It seems like and travel a lot with Jeffrey. Is it ever your understanding that Jeffrey Epstein had a sexual relationship with either of them?¶

A. That is not my understanding, no.¶

Q. Do you know of having a boyfriend¶

A. I heard that she has a boyfriend.¶

Q. And what’s his name?¶

A. And this is just hearsay. I don’t know.¶

Q. I’m interested in hearsay.¶

A. I heard that she’s dating somebody -¶

that’s all.¶

Q. Dating whom?¶

A.¶

Q. ?¶

A. I don’t know his last name.¶

Q. How long has she been dating him?¶

A. I don’t know. This is just Larry, you¶

know, every once in a while asks, you know, “What’s going on?” “Who’s” — You know, I don’t know.¶

Q. Where does live?¶

A. I think he’s down here. I think he’s one of Mr. Epstein’s legal team or something or —¶

Q. And is somebody who you heard of through Larry Visoski?¶

A. Yes, yes.¶

Q. And specifically what did Larry Visoski say about ?¶

A. He thought that they were dating - he and - and this is all hearsay.¶

Q. Since when?¶

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A. This is all — I don’t remember. Some time within - maybe within the year. I don’t know. I don’t know.¶

Q. So it’s your understanding then that if is in West Palm Beach or in the area, and he is dating somebody named ”___,” that it would also be a fair presumption that ___ would be somewhere nearby as well.¶

A. I mean, that’s not necessarily so. I mean, in this day and age when you can get back and forth to New York via airlines, or anywhere; I mean, at times, yes, that would be a fair assumption, but not continuously.¶

” - who you have very little knowledge, I mean, I don’t want to say “very little knowledge” - you obviously have seen her several times —¶

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A. I don’t remember how it came about, actually. I think I just - several months ago I asked what people were doing since, you know, there’s been a lot of changes in staff since the boss was, you know, detained. There’s been a lot of layoffs and stuff. The conversation was he was updating me as to who’s still around, who’s been laid off, you know, who’s not with the company anymore, who’s not with, you know, at certain houses.¶

Q. When you say “the boss” has been “detained,” the boss obviously is Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. Correct. Yes.¶

Q. And you’re having a conversation then with Larry Visoski about the changes that necessarily are made —¶

A. Right.¶

Q. — because the boss is —¶

A. Well —¶

Q. — either incarcerated or under house arrest, or whatever.¶

A. And the economy and everything, I mean.¶

Q. In the course of that he tells you something about, “Well, is dating.”¶

A. Yeah, or - I think he said something about one of Jeffrey - the paralegal or something, the¶

attorney.¶

Q. And what else does he tell you? I mean, there are other changes other than, *Hey, dating¶

A. A couple of the - couple of long time people at the ranch were laid off.¶

Q. Such as who?¶

A. Oh, God-Mike and¶

Q. Mike and ?¶

A. Yeah.¶

Q. And those are people that run the Zorro Ranch —¶

A. They don’t run it.¶

Q. — in New Mexico?¶

A. They work there, yeah. And other changes to the island. You know, I can’t remember all the names. I believe Adam, who was the chef, at the island left.¶

MR. PIKE: Hello?¶

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Q. Adam’s the chef at the island?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. And why did he leave?¶

A. I don’t —¶

Q. Epstein’s not around to cook for?¶

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A. Yeah. It may have been a layoff kind of thing - and the economy too. I mean, everybody’s affected.¶

Q. What’s your understanding about Mike and ?¶

A. Just that they were laid off. I don’t know the exact reasoning that they were laid off.¶

Q. And before we go back to this: Have you eve been to that Zorro Ranch —¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. — in New Mexico?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. How many times?¶

A. Several.¶

Q. Why?¶

A. Because when we take them out there it was too far to airline home, so we’d stay - stay at the ranch.¶

Q. And what was he there to do?¶

A. I have no idea.¶

Q. Well, you were at the ranch, right?¶

A. Yeah, but it’s a big complex. There’s — The main house is literally probably 3 or 4 miles from where we stay.¶

Q. Was there also?¶

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A. I’m sure at times, yes, yes. Q. Well, I mean, usually he goes with his — A. The normal — Q. — his ___ his Ghislaine. A. Yeah, his normal entourage, or whatever it is. Q. And somebody there to schedule his people to come over and see him on a daily basis? A. I don’t know. I don’t know how that worked. Q. He’s — A. Like I say, he’s up at the main house. Once we were at the ranch there’s really no contact. Q. Yeah, but I’m familiar with where this ranch is, and its kind of in the middle of nowhere, right? A. Yeah. Q. And, you know, so when people come to or from the ranch, I mean, you can’t help but almost be familiar that somebody’s coming, right? A. Well — MR. PIKE: Form. A. — I mean, you would see a car drive by or something a truck. There’s always a lot of activity, construction, and everything else going on. Where we stayed at Ranch Central, the¶

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small, little - basically like little hotel rooms where we stayed, you know, it was on a busy road because there was always like a lot of construction stuff and the ranch hands and everything up and down. Q. Did you see girls going to visit him there? A. Yes. Q. How often girls go to visit him there? A. I don’t know. Q. Did these — A. Not that often. Q. Did these seem like girls local to New Mexico or had they just flown in on an airplane, landed a helicopter on the property? A. Oh, I don’t know. I never — MR. PIKE: Form. A. I never saw them up close. I mean — Q. Did they come in taxicabs? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I can’t remember that - don’t think so. Q. You don’t ever think a girl came in a taxicab to the New Mexico ranch? A. I don’t ever remember seeing a taxicab on the ranch. Q. Do you remember seeing girls two or three times a day going to visit him while he was at the New Mexico ranch?¶

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Mexico ranch? A. Oh, no, no. Q. You don’t remember that? A. No. Q. Could it have happened? A. It could have. Q. But you just don’t remember seeing that. A. No, I don’t ever remember seeing that. Q. Have you ever met Governor Bill Richardson? A. I saw him. He was - Q. How did you see him? A. He was at Ranch Central. He had been invited for dinner, or something, at the main house and they were coming down to get him. Q. He was invited to the Zorro Ranch. I call it that because that’s apparently what Mr. Epstein’s named it, right? A. Yes. Q. So Bill Richardson came to the Zorro Ranch for what? A. I — It was a dinner meeting or something. I don’t know. Q. Do — A. I think Mr. Richardson used to own the property the ranch was built on, or something.¶

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don’t know. Q. Did you stay for the dinner? A. Oh, no, no. I was at Ranch Central and he was just there while they were going to escort him up to the main house. Q. So Bill Richardson was where the dinner was. A. Yes, yes. Q. And you were not there. A. Of course not. Q. Who else besides Bill Richardson was there? A. I have no idea. Q. Any knowledge of Bill Richardson being involved with any of the girls that would have been brought to the house? A. Oh, no, no, not that I have. Q. Not that I know of. A. Not that I know, no. Q. Because you were in such a place that you never would have known anyway, right? A. That’s correct, yeah. Q. What’s your understanding as to Bill Richardson’s connection to Mr. Epstein? A. I thought he was always just kind of politics. I believe - I heard at one time, I don’t¶

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know for a fact - I thought that part of the property the Zorro was built on was owned by Bill Richardson. He sold it to Jeffrey.¶

Q. Ever known Bill Richardson to be on Epstein’s airplane?¶

A. No, not the Boeing.¶

Q. Any plane.¶

A. I don’t know that.¶

Q. Was he ever on a plane that you were on?¶

A. No, not that I remember, not that I remember. I remember — I believe the only time I met him was one time at Ranch Central.¶

Q. Ever hear of a trust - Zorro Trust?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Are you familiar with some of Epstein’s companies?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. No. I mean, other than JEGE and Hyperion and Air Ghislaine.¶

Q. What’s Air Ghislaine?¶

A. That’s the helicopters - that’s what they’re under.¶

Q. He named it after Ghislaine Maxwell?¶

A. Apparently so. I would assume so.¶

Q. Well, I mean, I’m not trying to be difficult¶

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with you.¶

A. No, I wouldn’t —¶

Q. I’m assuming you’re not trying with me either.¶

A. No. I would assume so. I mean, that’s an unusual name.¶

Q. Do you know Prince Andrew to be friends with Jeffrey Epstein?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. No, I don’t know that — I don’t know what the tie is. Like I say, I didn’t know even know who Prince Andrew is when I first heard of it. I would have thought it would have been more of a tie with Ms. Maxwell.¶

Q. Right. Do you know of Ms. Maxwell bringing the two, that being Prince Andrew, together with Mr. Epstein?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. That could be, yes, yep.¶

Q. And at the time when Bill Richardson had this meeting at Epstein’s house, do you remember Ghislaine Maxwell also being there?¶

A. Can’t say for sure. Can’t say for sure.¶

Q. Have you heard of Jeffrey Epstein winning the lottery in New Mexico?¶

A. No.¶

Q. You’ve never heard that?¶

A. No, no.¶

Q. Have you ever been privy to any conversations between Bill Richardson and Jeff Epstein?¶

A. No.¶

Q. So you don’t know what they were really talking about.¶

A. No. No idea.¶

Q. At the time when Bill Richardson was running for president - is that around the time when you rememb him being at Zorro Ranch?¶

A. Before, before. What year did he run for president?¶

Q. 2007.¶

A. It had to have been well before because I quit flying in February of ‘07, so.¶

Q. Epstein ever tell you what his relationship is with Bill Richardson?¶

A. No.¶

Q. When you were at the ranch, did you ever notice underage girls at the ranch?¶

A. No.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. Anybody ever told you that that ranch is used¶

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A. No.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

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Q. The next exhibit that I’m going to show you - which is all part of Composite Exhibit 1 - is a flight log 2/24/05; is that right?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Who’s on that? Nobody. That’s a test flight?¶

A. That’s a test flight round robin. It’s only 17 minutes.¶

Q. 3/1/05.¶

A. 3/1/05 is PBI to Kennedy with Jeffrey,¶

A. No.¶

Q. Do you know what she does for him?¶

A. No, only — Isn’t that the one that you told me - you just mentioned earlier? I have no idea what her relationship is.¶

Q. Has he ever told you what any of his employees actually do for him - why he employs so many people to do so many different things - has he told you that?¶

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A. No, no. I mean, you know, who runs each house and who the driver is, stuff like that. No, he would never mention that.¶

Q. Has he ever told you what running a house entails?¶

A. No, no.¶

Q. Has he ever told you that there’s an extra part of running the house that ensures that underage girls are going to be there for him every day?¶

A. No.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

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Q. That’s not something you ever heard.¶

A. No.¶

Q. 3/4/2005 flight log - who’s on it?¶

A. Jeffrey, Ghislaine Maxwell, David Mullen,¶

Q. David Mullen - once again, we don’t know who this guy is, do you?¶

A. And I don’t know. Honestly, I can’t —¶

B. Do you know where he lives?¶

C. No.¶

D. Did you ever go visit Jeffrey Epstein while he was in jail?¶

A. No.¶

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Q. Why not?¶

A. There was no purpose to it. There was no need to.¶

Q. He’s your boss for a long time, right?¶

A. Yeah.¶

Q. Was he good to you?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Did you support him?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. You supported him while he was in jail?¶

A. I was — Yes, I mean.¶

Q. Did the allegations bother you?¶

A. Yes.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

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Q. Somebody that you still support despite the allegations?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. Yes, yes.¶

Q. You realize that he did plead guilty to the offenses as well, right?¶

A. That’s what I read.¶

MR. PIKE: Form. Move to strike. That’s not the facts.¶

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Q. And despite pleading guilty to procuring underage girls for the purposes of sex, you still feel comfortable leaving a 13, 14, 15-year-old girl around him?¶

MR. PIKE: Form. Move to strike.¶

A. Yes. I mean, with my daughter, yes. I don’t know how he behaves around anybody else. I just know that the respect that he showed me, I feel safe with my daughter.¶

Q. And have you read in detail the reports as to what happened at his house with the girls?¶

A. Only —¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. — what’s been in the newspapers and published.¶

Q. If you read and hear testimony given - well, I can tell you now - testimony has been given in this case that what happens is: A 13 or 14 year old is led upstairs by herself, told to get naked, he lays down on his back, there is a brief massage before he turns over, exposes himself erect, masturbates while he tells this 13 or 14 year old to pinch his nipples as hard as she can while he inserts his fingers into their vagina and ejaculates all over them before saying, “Take your money and leave.”¶

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MR. PIKE: Form. Move to strike.¶

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Q. Okay? Then, “You can continue to come back for $200 every time or every girl you bring me within your age group and I get to do this again, I pay you $200 per person.” If that is the testimony —¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

Q. — that what happens behind closed doors with him, do you still feel comfortable leaving a 13 or 14 year old in a room with Jeffrey Epstein?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. If that, in fact, is what actually happened, no.¶

Q. I’ll show you the next flight log is 3/8/05.¶

Here, just so these are in order, I’ll - 3/8/05.¶

A. Okay.¶

Q. Who’s on that airplane?¶

A. - Jeffrey, , and .¶

frequently.¶

A. Yes, normal - his normal entourage.¶

Q. Have you read recently the agreement that was¶

entitled the “Non-Prosecution Agreement”?¶

A. No. All I read was what was in the paper.¶

Q. The “Non-Prosecution Agreement” was an¶

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or —¶

A. Okay.¶

Q. — as his co-conspirators.¶

Do you know any of the acts that¶

or have done in an attempt to get Jeffrey Epstein young girls to molest?¶

A. Only what I’ve read in the paper.¶

MR. PIKE: Move to strike.¶

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Q. Again, Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and who’s that?¶

MR. REINHART: Can we get a date, please?¶

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Q. Sorry, the date is 3/18/05. On this flight log, who are the names?¶

A. Ghislaine - Jeffrey, Ghislaine Maxwell,¶

and¶

Q. Do you know Ghislaine Maxwell on a social level or only from him?¶

A. No, just professional.¶

Q. Do you know whether she is straight or¶

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bisexual? Do you know of any of her girlfriends?¶

A. I do not know that.¶

Q. Are you aware that Ghislaine Maxwell, in sworn testimony and in complaints, has been alleged to have used vibrators, dildos, and have sex with these underage girls as well?¶

A. I don’t —¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I was not aware of that.¶

Q. Do you know who ___ is?¶

A.¶

A. I belive so, yeah, because ” an unusual name.¶

Q. Do you know if is underage or if she is of age at the time that this happened - at the time they list her name?¶

A. Oh, I don’t know for sure, but, I mean, she - when I — If it is the I remember, she was older. I mean, I can’t even guess her age, mid-twenties, late twenties, I mean.¶

Q. Okay. Do you—¶

A. If it’s the¶

Q. This is the first time we’ve seen mentioned on any flight logs, right?¶

A. Right.¶

Q. Do you find it at all peculiar that is listed but certain other people who may or may not be of age are listed generically - one female. Why would they go out of their way to list ?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I don’t know. Maybe she was already an employee or something. I don’t know.¶

Q. If she’s an employee at the time, then that would be a good explanation, right?¶

A. Right. I don’t know.¶

Q. If she’s not an employee, then is there any explanation?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. Unless — No. I don’t know. I don’t know. Maybe Bill asked her. That looks like Bill’s writing there when he was captain.¶

Q. We’ll move to 3/22/05.¶

A. Okay.¶

Q. Who’s listed?¶

A. Actually, this wasn’t even my flight.¶

This is: Jeffrey, female, female - PBI to Kennedy.¶

Q. That’s not your flight?¶

A. No. Diaz is one of the few engineers I used as a relief. See his name written in up there?¶

Q. Yes, but it has your name written under it, right?¶

A. Well, yeah, because these are pre-printed forms. They neglected to scratch my name out.¶

Q. Any idea why now they’re going to list “one female, one female”? That doesn’t seem to be protocol here, does it?¶

A. I don’t — Yeah. I have no idea. I don’t have an answer for that, I really don’t.¶

Q. Certainly, if you’re able to get to tell you her name, it doesn’t take much effort to get two other people to tell you their name, right?¶

A. Like I say, the only thing I can think of is if an employee by that time, that they knew her. I don’t know.¶

Q. Did it ever at any point in time cross your mind that there may be something illegal going on here ever?¶

MS. EZELL: Form.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. Define “here.”¶

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Q. Here when you’re traveling on the airplane with these various girls and they’re listed as “one female” - generically listed - anything ever cross your mind, “maybe something’s not exactly kosher”?¶

A. No.¶

MR. PIKE: Form, asked and answered several times.¶

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Q. Who’s that? The date is 3/31/05.¶

A. Jeffrey, Ghislaine, and .¶

Q. Let’s see, 10/15 and 10/17, both look like nobody’s on them, so I’ll show them to you together.¶

A. There might be remarks here: “Maintenance test flight” out of Lake City, Florida.¶

We were coming out of maintenance: “No passengers, maintenance, relocation for the engineer repair.”¶

Q. Okay. 4/6/05 - who’s on it?¶

A. Jeffrey, , David Mullen,¶

Q. Last one.¶

A. Jeffrey - 6/8/05 - , David Mullen, , Mark Zeff —¶

Q. Do you know who Mark Zeff is?¶

A. No — , Doug Shuttle,¶

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Q. Do you know who and are?¶

A. I think I remember - sounds familiar.¶

Q. How did she look?¶

A. I can’t remember. I just —¶

Q. Overage, underage?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I never saw any that I saw that looked to me underage.¶

Q. Have you ever been to Jeffrey Epstein’s house - his Palm Beach house?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. You stayed for an entire day?¶

A. No, no.¶

Q. No?¶

A. It would be like an hour at the most waiting to talk to him for a minute. No.¶

Q. Let me ask it this way: Has he ever told you that he’s infatuated with massages?¶

A. No, he’s never told me that.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

BY MR. EDWARDS:¶

Q. Have you ever known him to get a professional massage anywhere you go?¶

A. Yeah, I believe so.¶

Q. Where?¶

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A. I can’t — I can’t say for sure. I mean, we used to carry a massage table on the airplane. I never saw one used. I don’t know for sure.¶

Q. Are you being paid to be here today?¶

A. No, no. I mean, I’m on salary. I mean—¶

Q. Right.¶

A. — because of - for the maintenance, but, no.¶

Q. Are you going to ask Jeffrey Epstein at some point in time, “Why you hired an attorney to sit here with me?”¶

A. No.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I would never — I would not approach Jeffrey for that.¶

Q. Do you have any idea why Jeffrey Epstein might want an attorney to sit here for you?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. No. I mean, maybe — I don’t know.¶

Q. Do you think that the attorney sitting here is for the purpose so that you don’t say anything to incriminate Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. No, no. I was told strictly that he was here upon my behalf.¶

Q. Do you know of any crimes, personally, that¶

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A. No.¶

Q. Would you —¶

A. No.¶

Q. — go back - considering what you’ve read and what you may or may not believe - would you go back to working for Jeffrey Epstein?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I can’t say. I still work for him on a maintenance - to maintain the airplanes and stuff like that, so.¶

Q. You’re on his payroll?¶

A. Salaried, yes.¶

Q. Do you know who else is on his payroll?¶

A. Well, Dave and Larry.¶

Q. Certainly, if I want to know more about his¶

private life - do you know who’s at his house?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Do you know who his housekeeper is?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Do you know who his architect is?¶

A. No, no.¶

Q. Does Larry visit him at his house?¶

A. I would assume so.¶

Q. Why do you say you would assume so? That¶

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A. Well, he handles — Jeffrey does a lot of - he likes high-end stereo equipment and video equipment, and Larry is an expert at audio and video installations and stuff.¶

Q. How about David Rodgers - ever at his house?¶

A. Probably, but more like on the grounds of me, you know.¶

Q. Any other famous people that you met through Jeff Epstein?¶

A. On the airplane?¶

Q. Yes.¶

A. Walter Cronkite.¶

Q. Oh, yeah?¶

A. He was very nice. Yeah. He was very feeble, but he was very nice. We had to carry him down the steps.¶

Q. Where did that flight go to?¶

A. New York to St. Thomas. He’s an avid sailor. He loves to sail or loved to sail.¶

Q. What’s the magician’s name - David Copperfield?¶

A. No, I don’t think I was on that. I don’t think I flew that. I heard that we had flown him. I can’t say for sure. I would remember that. I would¶

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remember it. I have never met David Copperfield, but I heard that we had. Naomi Campbell - flew her a couple times.¶

Q. What do you understand Naomi Campbell and Jeffrey Epstein’s relationship to be?¶

A. I don’t. I assume it was modeling. I don’t know. It was like two trips.¶

Q. Jeffrey Epstein ever tell you how long he was in the modeling industry?¶

A. Never discussed it.¶

Q. So the first you know of is whatever involvement he’s in with Jean Luc Brunel.¶

A. Right.¶

Q. That’s the first time —¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. — you’ve never known him to be in modeling.¶

A. Correct, that I was aware of. And, actually, nobody ever told me that but picking up bits of conversation like such as the one about the motor home door.¶

Q. What exactly did he say about the motor home door that led you to know that Epstein and modeling is -¶

A. They were at - on location for a modeling shoot and they had a motor home.¶

Q. “They” meaning Jeffrey Epstein and somebody.¶

A. Yes, I guess. Yeah. I don’t know exactly.¶

Q. Have you ever heard of sounds familiar, but I don’t know —¶

Q.¶

A. No, I can’t say that I have.¶

Q. Elena Weber?¶

A. Can’t say that I have.¶

Q. Glenn Dubin?¶

A. Glenn Dubin, yes.¶

Q. How do you know him?¶

A. I think he’s a money or finance manager of some form - associate of Jeffrey or Ghislaine’s or both.¶

Q. And where does he live?¶

A. I think he lives in California, I believe.¶

Q. What do you know about him?¶

A. Well, he’s - just all I just told you. I think he’s - he’s an options writer or something like - not an options writer, hedge funds or something like that. He’s in money. It’s — He’s got an airplane. I think he’s got a quarter share or part of an airplane.¶

Q. Do you know anybody that owns any property¶

Q. Do you know anybody that owns any property¶

with Epstein?¶

A. No.¶

Q. What other properties does Jeffrey Epstein own? I know we talked about the Zorro Ranch, the place in New York, you talked about an island, West Palm Beach¶

A. That’s all that I’m aware of.¶

Q. How about Paris?¶

A. I don’t know that he owns them. That’s where he goes for homes.¶

Q. Ever go to Paris with him?¶

A. He does have an apartment in Paris. I don’t know - however that works out, if it’s a lease or own or what.¶

Q. Who are the house managers of the various places that he owns?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I don’t know anymore. There has been so much shake up, you know.¶

Q. Well, who were they? Do you know the Freidmans out in California? Do you know Eve and Patrick?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Alfredo Rodriguez?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Alright.¶

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A. No, those are all I know.¶

Q. You tell me. Who do you know?¶

A. God, I can’t think. It’s been so long ago.¶

Q. Other than Joe-Joe.¶

A. Well, Joe-Joe doesn’t - he’s just a driver for New York - he and his wife. I could remember them if I saw their names. I would know which house they were associated with. I’m terrible with names anymore, unfortunately. The couple that’s now at the ranch or was at the ranch is at the island helping manage as an intern.¶

Q. Who’s that?¶

A. Honestly, I can’t remember their names. If you were to give me a name, I could attach it to each house.¶

Q. I wish I could.¶

A. Yeah, I’m sorry, I can’t. It’s just —¶

Q. Do you know Marissa Vasquez?¶

A. No. Marissa sounds familiar. I don’t know.¶

Q. Something to do with the modeling agency?¶

A. Can’t say for sure - can’t say.¶

Q. How about Kalib Shalom?¶

A. No, never heard of that one.¶

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MR. EDWARDS: Let me look over my notes real fast. Anybody else going to have some questions so I can look over my notes and maybe ask a couple more?¶

MR. PIKE: Brad, when I get a chance to cross, I definitely will have some questions for the witness.¶

MR. EDWARDS: Okay. Any other plaintiff attorneys? Kathy? I think Kathy quit on us - must have been too boring. Anybody else?¶

Hold on Mike. Give me one minute and then I think you can shoot.¶

MS. EZELL: Brad?¶

MR. EDWARDS: Yes?¶

MS. EZELL: I’m sorry, it’s Kathy. I didn’t realize my mute was on. I do have a few questions.¶

MR. EDWARDS: Okay. Go ahead.¶

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Q. Mr. Morrison - forgive me, I didn’t write it down - when did you begin working for Mr. Epstein?¶

A. January 2001.¶

Q. Do you remember a young woman named ?.¶

A. No, I’m sorry, I can’t- I don’t.¶

Q. Do you remember a young woman named w flew frequently with Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. No, I don’t recall a.¶

Q. You mentioned a ?¶

A. A yes. I remember the name .¶

Q. Can you describe ?¶

A. No, I’m sorry, I can’t. I just recognize the name - or the sound of the name.¶

Q. Do you have any recollection as to what period of time flew with Mr. Epstein?¶

A. It was on one of those Passenger Manifests. I thought I only saw it one time.¶

MR. REINHART: Kathy - this is Bruce - the passenger manifest that had that name on it was dated June 8, 2005.¶

MS. EZELL: So all of those that Brad went over were ‘04 and ‘05, I believe.¶

MR. REINHART: Correct.¶

BY MS. EZELL:¶

Q. Let’s see, did you ever fly Mr. Epstein to St. Louis?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Did you ever fly him to San Francisco?¶

A. No.¶

Q. What about France?¶

A. Yes, Paris.¶

Q. And Spain?¶

A. No, nope.¶

Q. Carmel?¶

A. Carmel?¶

MR. REINHART: California, Kathy?¶

MS. EZELL: Yes.¶

A. No, we wouldn’t have — Was that Monterey area?¶

MR. REINHART: Yes.¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Monterey you did, okay.¶

Do you remember a woman named Emmy - who would accompany Elaine (sic) Maxwell?¶

A. Yes, I remember Emmy. I believe she was British or—¶

Q. And what was her function?¶

A. To the best of my knowledge, she was Ms. Maxwell’s assistant.¶

Q. Did there come a point in time where Ms. Maxwell flew her own plane?¶

A. No.¶

Q. Did there come a time that you became aware that she and Jeffrey Epstein were flying separately?¶

A. Yes.¶

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Q. And whose plane would she fly on on those occasions?¶

A. I don’t know. There was — She had a fractional - of a flight options. She had some flight options. When you said — Can I ask —¶

Q. Yes.¶

A. — when you stated, “Did she fly her own plane?”, did you mean as a pilot?¶

Q. Yes, yes.¶

A. No, no. I stand with, no.¶

Q. Did you ever know her to fly a helicopter?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. And when was that?¶

A. Several times. I don’t remember exactly when she got her initial rating. Can’t remember exactly when she got her initial rating. It was before - I think before - maybe around 2000, 2001. I don’t know that for a fact.¶

Q. Among the various pilots that you have worked with for Jeffrey Epstein, do you know of any who has a house on the Zorro Ranch property?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. And who is that?¶

A. Larry Visoski.¶

Q. And do you know if he was given that house by¶

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A. I can’t say that I have, no. I can’t say that I did.¶

Q. Do you remember flying three young girls back to France after Mr. Epstein’s birthday party?¶

A. No, no, I can’t say that I do, and I didn’t remember what birthday - that there was a big birthday party.¶

Q. Okay. Well, forget the party part.¶

A. Okay.¶

Q. Were you aware that Mr. Brunel flew in three 12-year-old girls for Mr. Epstein’s pleasure on his birthday?¶

A. No, I was not aware of that, no.¶

Q. And you have no recollection of having young women that young on flights that you were flying on?¶

A. That’s correct.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

BY MS. EZELL:¶

Q. I don’t have any other questions. Thank you.¶

A. Thank you.¶

MR. EDWARDS: Mike, I don’t really think anybody — I’m sorry.¶

CROSS-EXAMINATION¶

BY MR. WILLITS:¶

Jeffrey Epstein?¶

A. I do not know.¶

Q. Were you ever given any properties by Mr. Epstein?¶

A. No.¶

Q. You said that you did know Mr. Jean Luc Brunel?¶

A. Yes, I knew of him - and it was as an acquaintance - as a passenger.¶

Q. Did you fly him to and from Paris?¶

A. Yes.¶

Q. Do you ever remember flying three girls from Paris for Mr. Brunel —¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

Q. — to be guests of Mr. Epstein?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I can’t say that I remember that exactly, no, and I didn’t know who - whose guests they were for who.¶

Q. Do you remember flying three young girls to Mr. Epstein’s birthday party?¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

A. I don’t —¶

Q. I’m sorry, I meant from France.¶

MR. PIKE: Form.¶

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question, sir. I didn’t catch the complete and full spelling of your name.¶

A. My name?¶

Q. Yes, sir - the witness?¶

A. It’s Larry - Lima, Alpha, Romeo, Romeo, Yankee - and last name is Morrison - Mike, Oscar, Romeo, Romeo, India, Sierra, Oscar, November.¶

MR. WILLITS: Thank you, sir.¶

MR. EDWARDS: Mike, shoot.¶

MR. PIKE: Thank you. Thank you.¶

CROSS-EXAMINATION¶

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Q. Mr. Morrison, my name is Michael Pike. I represent Jeffrey Epstein.¶

A. Hi.¶

Q. I’m going to ask you a couple of questions. If you do not hear me, please ask me to repeat the question - as I’m on a telephone - and by virtue of being on the telephone, I’ve noticed that there’s some lag time between some answers and responses.¶

MR. PIKE: So, Brad, interrupt me, if I’m talking over the witness as well.¶

BY MR. PIKE:¶

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on Mr. Epstein’s plane from January 1, 2001, up until the time you stopped flying. Do you recall some of those questions? A. Yes. Q. With regard to the female passengers that Mr. Edwards discussed with you, do you recall if any of them ever left the plane in a scared manner? A. No, no. Q. Did any of these girls ever appear to be disheveled in you any way? A. No. Q. Did any of these girls that were on the plane ever claim to be battered or sexually assaulted? A. Not to me, no. Q. Did any of these women appear to be in shock to you? A. No. MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form. BY MR. PIKE: Q. Were any of these women ever crying as they exited the plane when you were the pilot? A. No, not that I saw. Q. Did any of these women appear to be injured as they exited the plane when you were a pilot? A. No, not that I saw.¶

Q. Did any of these women ever tell you, as the captain of the plane, that they were forced to do something against their will while a passenger on the plane? MR. EDWARDS: Object to the form. A. I was — Actually, to correct the question, I guess I was not captain — I was flight engineer — but, no. Q. Did they ever tell you that they had been forced to do anything inappropriate? A. No. Q. Did they ever tell you that they had been assaulted in any way? A. No. Q. Did they ever tell you that they had been inappropriately touched in any way? A. No. MR. EDWARDS: Form. BY MR. PIKE: Q. Did they ever tell you or did you ever hear of anyone claiming that they had been sexually assaulted, battered, or raped while on the plane? MR. EDWARDS: Form. A. No. MR. REINHART: Give him a chance to object¶

first. MR. PIKE: I have no further questions. MR. EDWARDS: I have a couple more - just follow-up - from what Kathy asked. REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Did any of the people - along Mike Pike’s lines - did any of the girls on the airplane tell you that he pled guilty to two felonies in court? MR. PIKE: Form. A. No, I haven’t - I have not spoken to Mr. Epstein. I don’t believe — Q. No, no, I think the question was: Did any of the girls tell you that Mr. Epstein pled guilty in court? A. Which girls? Q. Any of the girls on the airplane that we’re talking about. A. No, I don’t think — Actually, I don’t know when he pled because I think I was - stopped flying by then. Q. So there were a lot of things that happened on the airplane that the girls didn’t necessarily tell you about, right? MR. PIKE: Form. A. That I wasn’t — Like I say, going back to¶

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• there was not even an opportunity or window for that question, because I believe it was after February of 07. Q. That’s true. Did any of the girls on the airplane tell you about things that happened on the airplane that he later pled guilty to? MR. PIKE: Form. A. No. Q. Did any of the girls on the airplane really talk to you? A. No. Q. Okay, so all of this is kind of silly. Alright. Got it. Emmy would accompany Ms. Maxwell. When you say “would accompany her,” what did you mean about that? A. She was like her assistant. Actually, I don’t — I didn’t see Emmy very many times. I don’t know when she stopped working there, but she would — Yeah, I just — She would be on trips with her — A. And did you — A. — and, I think, handle her logistics issues and stuff like that. (Please continue to Volume II.)

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120:5	134:14	31:19 33:18	84:6,16	176:17
activity	141:12	35:13 38:18	85:18 87:7	181:1 183:2
	142:5,8	41:18 44:23	88:10,13,14	185:11

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199:8,16,22	allowing	29:10	149:10	area
200:5,6,10	129:8	annually	188:11	28:3 53:3
airplanes	alone-alone	92:11	apartments	161:5 192:9
7:21 11:7,14	72:10	answer	106:19	areas
19:4,8	Alpha	13:23 14:10	108:17,25	29:12,14
25:12 30:11	196:5	18:19,20	apologize	50:9,16
30:12 35:23	alright	19:15 57:20	87:15	51:5,6,7
38:4 44:10	14:15 32:4	65:10,15	apparent	94:12
48:4 84:17	34:23 35:17	76:13,16	66:23	117:25
85:3 91:12	35:21 53:4	129:13	apparently	arrangements
91:15	72:9 73:18	131:3	35:7 167:16	86:20 112:13
103:19	74:6 79:12	180:13	169:24	113:11
104:21	88:2 113:25	answered	appealed	114:3,11
143:5	129:22	75:23 76:1,3	35:7	arranging
155:12	130:7	76:10	appear	102:13
184:10	143:16,23	123:24	134:17 197:9	rest
airplane's	155:3	126:4 141:2	197:15,23	162:19
120:13	188:25	181:6	appearance	arrive
121:20	200:14	answering	3:1 119:25	95:15
airport	amount	32:19	APPEARANCES	article
21:10 48:3,5	58:18 113:16	answers	2:1	55:9,12 56:2
62:16 72:25	amount's	132:6 196:20	appeared	articles
73:1 95:19	89:22	anticipate	46:20 123:12	16:10 56:6
95:20,23	analyze	126:22	135:7,11	104:18
96:11 97:21	12:17	anybody	158:9	112:22
98:1 149:17		37:17 117:17	Applied	135:25
150:6		124:1	60:9	Asia
airports	138:23	149:18	apply	124:12
48:4	144:12	154:16	10:16,18	Aside
Alan	149:4	171:25	appointment	21:4
3:3 119:14	150:16	175:7	108:13	asked
119:17,18	151:6 154:1	187:25	appreciation	14:17 55:18
alert	157:11	190:2,10	93:14	65:4 66:9
57:1,9	176:18	195:22	approach	67:24 75:23
Alfredo	177:5,9	57:17 58:22	10:15 67:21	76:1,9,14
188:23	179:24	162:8	68:25 83:13	81:10 87:16
allegations		188:17	183:14	87:18 90:12
120:2,23	181:19	189:10	approached	106:18
135:25	Andrew	anyway	66:25 83:17	111:7
136:1,7	143:1,9,17	140:3 168:20	approaching	123:23
174:12,17	170:6,11,15	anyways	81:15	126:4 130:3
alleged	and/or	45:7 140:11	approxima...	130:5 134:6
136:2 178:4	7:16 12:22	apartment	74:25 75:22	141:2 162:3
allegedly	24:11 50:9	103:11	ARBOUR	179:18
122:12	60:11 74:11	105:13,19	2:10	181:6 199:4
allow	76:25	106:11	architect	asking
129:13	114:17			13:22 17:2
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38:15,15	155:15	62:4,17	21:5 28:14	bank
81:17	158:3	67:13 80:22	38:17 39:9	89:15,19,19
104:23	161:13	98:10,10	39:11 44:19	89:20
106:21		avid	46:25 50:18	Barbosa
asks	Atta	185:19	53:16 55:9	187:3
160:13	81:23 82:11	avionics	55:10 58:13	based
assaulted	attach	93:4 98:5,11	58:24 59:8	13:18,20
197:13	189:15	101:1	59:25 60:2	61:12 64:9
198:13,21	attached	Avjet	64:2 69:18	basically
assigned	4:24	28:24 33:11	76:12,13	19:10 22:11
38:2	attempt	avoid	77:1,3,11	24:19 28:4
assistant	103:7 177:9	116:4	79:7 83:4	32:13 33:4
112:11,12	attention	aware	86:6 91:11	41:25 43:20
158:2	153:11	15:10 20:17	93:16,16	67:14 90:18
178:11,13	ATTERBURY	20:21 26:13	94:21,24	90:24 138:8
178:25	3:3	38:1 41:17	95:19 102:5	166:1
192:19	attorney	42:18 50:17	102:17	basis
200:17	21:18 108:22	56:11 71:19	103:20	14:22 67:15
associate	119:13	72:2 74:15	108:7 110:4	165:8
8:5 158:3	128:7,13,16	74:22 75:11	110:8,14	bathroom
187:14	128:20	79:1,22	113:19	126:17 127:4
associated	129:2 130:9	91:6 110:9	115:1 118:4	battered
64:13 189:9	130:13,17	120:2,22,25	118:10,11	197:13
associates	130:25	121:4,5	118:17,18	198:22
15:18,20	132:4	123:9,12,18	119:2,9	BBJ
48:20,21	137:12	123:25	120:16	13:4 24:16
83:2 122:24	163:1	126:9,10	140:14,16	31:4,15
133:10,16	183:10,17	135:17	140:16,22	Beach
159:9	183:20	145:17	145:19	1:1,17 3:5
association	attorneys	178:3,9	148:19,23	3:10,17
71:8 157:23	119:19 120:1	186:17	150:5,13,15	95:16 136:2
associations	190:9	188:6	159:10	142:18,18
53:22 71:6,9	ATTORNEY-...	192:23	161:11	144:9
assume	2:10,16	195:10,13	164:8	148:13,14
44:8 54:14	atypical	124:25	175:20	148:17
72:1 96:24	30:6,7	A&P	176:3 184:5	150:10
149:9	audio	10:11	184:6 195:3	151:1
169:24	185:4	a.m.	199:25	158:24,25
170:4	Australian	1:15	background	161:5
184:24,25	3:4,16		57:7 59:23	182:10
186:6	available		65:18	188:5
assumed	10:13		bad	becoming
158:1	Avenue		14:16,17	69:1 87:2
assuming	2:21 3:4,16		87:9 154:23	bed
25:11 97:19	aviation		baggage	50:13 94:19
120:22	5:20,22,25		113:16	118:5
149:6 170:3	9:12 13:20		bags	bedwards@...
assumption	44:13 60:5

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2:6	beyond	board	117:7	broke
began	128:5	26:25 41:25	Boulevard	63:20
88:22	big	42:3,4,5,11	2:4,10	broker
behalf	11:9 29:17	42:14 47:19	boyfriend	133:20
1:14 2:2,8	63:6 94:17	66:16 72:14	159:24 160:1	brother
2:14,19 3:2	164:22	72:16 82:12	boys	106:1,3
3:7,13	195:6	83:3 96:6	54:10	108:5
183:24	Bill	121:24	Brad	brought
behaves	80:3,4,6	boarded	78:22 126:18	66:15,16
175:7	142:42	132:12	129:1,1,1,3	68:18 72:16
believe	147:13	boards	129:6	77:1,3,10
7:5 15:24	167:9,19	122:1	153:12	114:22
64:24 76:13	168:6,11,13	boats	190:5,13	119:18
77:2 83:16	168:22	103:19	191:16	120:1
86:10 95:25	169:2,4	Bob	196:21	168:15
99:12 105:4	170:19	144:17	BRADLEY	Bruce
109:20	171:4,9,18	bodies	2:3	3:14,15
115:12	179:18	42:5,9	brand	191:13
142:6	billionaires	Boeing	35:14 68:18	Brunel
144:16	63:3	7:21 15:13	Brazil	107:23
163:17	Bill's	15:14,17	151:12	109:12
168:25	147:10,11	33:6 43:19	break	111:12
169:11	179:18	91:3,4,12	46:19 126:16	186:12
182:24	birthday	92:9,10	126:25	194:7,13
184:6	194:21 195:4	169:6	127:2,4	195:10
187:17	195:6,7,12	book	BReinhart...	Budweiser
191:17	Biscayne	103:10,14	3:18	62:23
192:15	2:10	boring	brew	building
199:12	bisexual	190:10	120:4	105:13,21
200:2	18:5 178:1	born	bride	106:11,22
believed	bit	67:4	49:1 120:21	107:1,1,1,4
54:25	60:21 127:9	boss	brief	107:8
belive	145:25	8:5 58:13	146:7 175:20	buildings
178:14	bits	68:5 81:8	briefcase	106:23
Bendel's	186:19	162:4,10,11	114:25 115:3	108:14
12:2	bizarre	162:17	bring	built
benefits	14:7	174:4	12:16 110:7	35:11 167:25
69:21	bi-annually	bother	110:14	169:2
best	92:12	58:13 174:12	176:4	bulkheads
10:8 27:11	blame	bought	bringing	29:15 32:21
40:8,16	32:1	24:15,17	13:7 72:3	bunch
44:21 46:8	blatantly	26:21 32:15	110:15	27:17
77:14 79:23	124:1	33:21,22	170:14	BURMAN
192:18	blind-sided	34:7,9,14	brings	3:8
better	57:4	34:18,20,25	69:25	burned
14:18	blocked	35:8 67:25	British	138:22
Bexley	29:12 117:25	73:15 74:17	192:16	burns
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	C	192:4,5	25:5	86:14
177:21	cadaver	carpet	chain	Chris
178:10,20	42:8	93:7 98:14	62:25	125:2
179:1,4,7	California	carry	chair	circle
179:24	187:17	183:2 185:16	29:9 93:12	133:11
180:14	188:20	cars	Chairman	CIRCUIT
181:20,23	192:6	114:21	9:21,23	1:1,1
business	call	case	chairs	cite
7:1 12:6	40:18,19	1:7 19:16	94:11	16:19
15:18,19,22	88:3 113:3	38:25 56:14	challenge	city
16:11 19:2	114:22	56:15 57:1	13:7,9 68:16	17:9 97:8,8
19:3,7,19	167:15	116:4	challenging	105:12,13
20:22 33:6	called	130:12	13:9	105:14
35:4 47:7	8:25	131:1	chance	181:14
48:20,21	calling	175:17	56:18 190:5	civilly
49:13,13,20	69:18	cases	198:25	131:18,20
49:22 51:6	Campbell	92:16	change	claim
51:6,12	186:2,4	catch	13:1 31:9	121:1 197:13
71:8 87:10	capacity	196:1	44:16,17,22	claiming
87:20	45:4,4	category	58:9,17	198:21
102:12,22	captain	13:14	93:10,12	clarify
103:1	25:19 38:6,8	Cecelia	changed	34:4 36:6
104:21	79:20,21	109:7,8	29:3,4 41:14	50:7 73:11
108:22	80:10 82:3	111:23	44:23 79:23	74:6 96:16
109:19	82:20 99:13	cell	93:7 115:23	148:25
120:12	127:17	102:13,14,14	changes	class
134:12	148:2	104:1	162:4,14	28:11
155:14,16	179:19	Center	163:3,15	cleaning
155:19,21	198:2,7	3:15	charge	14:25
158:2	captains	central	40:21 139:4	clear
businesses	79:21	63:3 67:11	Charlie	34:16
12:11	car	165:25	22:7,9	Clearlake
business...	62:24 72:25	167:12	chef	3:15
100:23	113:11,12	168:3	163:17,21	client
busy	113:16	169:12	Chief	153:18
166:2	145:13	certain	10:20 40:23	clients
buy	165:22	29:14 32:8	40:24 41:6	12:7
12:16 27:1	cards	42:18 81:2	60:23,25	Clinton
31:19,20	49:12,14,17	135:24	children	124:4,42
33:5,20	49:18	140:8 162:9	17:13 54:15	125:13
66:24	care	179:5	54:17	140:24
buyers	21:4 47:9,16	certainly	120:17	141:1,10
12:15	47:18	44:6 104:15	choice	close
buying	career	135:24	26:16 84:8	67:18 94:12
69:4 84:14	26:16 58:9	152:19	86:9	121:25
88:10	58:17	180:14	chose	166:16
buys	Carmel	184:16	27:1 86:13	closed
32:12 88:13		certificate
96:24

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32:20 37:7	coming	196:1	165:24	101:9,12
37:8 93:22	43:4 78:24	completely	166:3	114:15
118:3,5,6	79:2 101:18	17:2 121:11	contact	134:10,12
118:21	107:19	130:25	47:19 66:18	150:24
140:14	113:21	156:18	85:23 87:17	171:3
176:8	116:9,22	completions	116:7	cook
closer	135:3	9:5 21:8	165:13	163:25
65:21 145:8	150:13	22:12	contacted	copies
clothing	165:19	complex	114:21	4:24
51:10	167:14	164:22	context	Copperfield
clue	167:14	composite	53:7 161:15	185:22 186:1
119:9	181:15	4:24 137:13	continue	copy
cockpit	comment	137:18,24	24:15,17,18	154:23
26:1 27:9,24	110:25	138:1 172:6	68:14,15	cordoned
93:15	commercial	computer	176:3	117:25
114:19	25:7 27:15	115:2	200:24	121:20
cocktail	30:1 95:20	conceive	continuously	corporate
150:25	95:24	18:25	161:14	5:25 8:14
COLEMAN	committing	concerned	contract	15:2 21:11
3:8	184:1	20:25 128:1	62:13,14	21:13,14,15
college	common	159:4	91:25	28:7 35:23
62:3	16:15 155:17	concerning	contracted	44:13
Columbus	communica...	104:1	62:15	corporation
9:13 10:9	89:25 90:1	conference	control	7:6 8:18,21
61:13,22,23	community	28:10 93:24	11:22 70:17	60:20 61:7
62:4 63:3	30:19	configura...	73:20 79:17	61:9 84:3,5
67:9 86:1	companies	28:7 29:8	controlled	corporations
come	12:23 44:12	configura...	82:23	74:11
6:23 15:16	44:14,25	30:3	controls	correct
32:10 66:11	45:5 89:1	confusing	26:9	6:5,7 7:10
66:14 69:12	169:16	70:13,14	convenient	8:2 9:16
110:5	company	connection	62:1	18:14 19:5
113:17	6:16,18,19	168:23	conversation	24:3 27:19
117:8	7:2,3,4,5	consider	64:15 69:14	32:6 34:13
130:24	9:25 11:21	69:11 81:11	83:4,9,20	35:9,15
134:22	20:4 44:9	93:13	87:1 90:4,7	40:20 42:12
139:5	44:11 64:11	considering	90:11	42:17 45:23
140:21	64:13 89:9	68:4 104:18	100:17	52:24 56:16
148:19,23	89:13,14	117:24	103:21,24	69:3,8 70:2
150:15,23	102:14	121:19	104:20	74:14 75:14
161:25	119:13	184:5	110:24	75:16 77:17
165:8,17	162:8	consist	113:7 156:2	77:17 80:8
166:17	compartime...	103:24	161:16	91:14 100:6
176:3	28:16	consists	162,6,13	101:7 105:6
192:20,23	compartments	94:10,19	186:19	111:19
comes	32:20	construction	conversat...	118:7
33:8	complaints		38:7 66:9	119:10,10
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128:3,6,9	177:7	current	154:22	150:14
131:22	crashes	31:4,15	157:3,7	152:10
136:3,5,6	38:20	90:12 115:6	158:17	154:1,5,7
140:4,6,10	creates	115:19	159:16	173:16,18
144:7,8	39:3	currently	177:16,18	181:19,22
148:18	credentialed	39:9	181:9	185:6,21
149:7	26:14	customize	dated	186:1
162:12	credentials	31:22	63:18 138:4	day
168:21	26:13	Customs	144:6	47:24,25
186:17	credenza	43:2,4 78:18	191:15	59:9 86:3
191:18	94:10	79:13,16	dates	132:2,12
195:16	crew	C.M.A	78:4 84:18	148:2
198:6	30:18 41:4	2:19	84:19	151:24
COUNSEL	145:1		dating	161:11
2:1 3:1	157:14	D	63:15,20,21	166:25
count	crewed	2:10	102:25	173:9
137:16,21,24	97:3	dad	160:5,7,11	182:12
countries	crimes	123:21	160:23	days
125:1	177:3 183:25	daily	161:5,21	20:6 22:23
country	criminally	165:8	162:23	27:13,14
43:5 117:5,6	128:18		163:3	46:25 59:8
COUNTY	130:12	177:21	daughter	125:1
1:1	131:16	178:10,11	120:20,20	148:11
couple	CRITTON	178:16,20	136:8,16	158:19
55:9 66:2	3:8	178:24	175:6,9	day-to-day
123:21	Cronkite	179:1,4,7	daughters	14:22 67:14
125:12,13	185:13	179:24	17:17,19,20	deadhead
157:24	cross	180:14	48:17 146:1	142:15
158:2 163:5	180:20 181:3	181:10,20	Dave	deal
163:5 186:3	190:6	181:23	60:19 61:6	19:11,13
189:10	crossed		64:25 66:10	104:21
190:4	142:16 149:5	178:14	66:14 69:1	dealing
196:16	CROSS-EXA...	180:18	69:17 73:25	55:13
199:3	4:7,9,10		86:5 91:21	dealt
course	190:19	181:25 182:1	91:22 99:12	12:10
9:4 51:15	195:23	Dankjold	184:15	decision
54:16 56:10	196:11	5:21 60:5,7	23:8 61:14	7:1 120:13
56:13,16	crying	107:9,10,11	61:16 66:17	Defendant
58:15	197:20	108:21,25	67:8 74:9	1:9 3:2,7
162:22	curfew	119:11	75:11 83:5	Defendant's
168:10	48:3,5	date	84:10 85:8	138:1
court	curious	63:13 116:15	85:24 86:13	Define
1:1,23 79:1	53:19 55:16	124:24	86:21	48:14 72:21
199:9,14	55:20,21	138:9	127:10,18	180:25
courthouse		142:19	144:12	defined
119:25			147:22	69:23
Cowells				definitely
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degree	4:18	diligence	34:15	37:5,7
62:5 81:7,11	design	128:4	divan	118:2,6
163:8,9	22:12 29:1	DiLorenzo	94:10	140:14
	33:9,10	1:23	divans	176:8
	51:9	dime	28:10 93:25	door's
Delaware	designed	63:5	94:7	93:22,23
44:25 89:14	28:22	dining	divider	118:5
delineates	designer	81:17	29:18	Doug
80:15	28:23	dinner	dividers	181:25
department	designers	51:17 167:13	28:12 29:16	dozen
5:20 6:1	33:10	167:21	29:17 30:13	63:5
8:14,19 9:1	designs	168:2,7	dividing	drive
10:4,8 11:5	32:8	direct	30:4	1:16 3:9
15:2 24:20	desk	4:6 5:13	division	111:6
39:17,23	94:10,11	89:21,25	11:14 12:18	165:22
40:15 41:4	despite	directed	divisions	driver
62:11,17	174:16 175:1	29:1	11:24 48:22	113:13 150:1
68:2,9	destination	direction	Di's	173:2 189:6
departments	96:23 138:12	62:15	143:19	drop
41:4 44:13	138:12	directions	documents	110:13
departure	144:10	40:22	79:17,18	dual
114:20	detail	directly	Doe	46:16,16
138:12	175:10	97:5	2:8,14	Dubin
depo	detained	Director	doing	187:10,11
129:10	162:5,10	6:3 10:19	8:12 14:23	due
deposed	determine	13:6 26:19	42:16 50:12	128:4
116:4	38:24	39:21 40:9	58:19 59:20	duly
deposit	developed	41:2,3	60:4 98:3,4	5:11
89:22	6:21	60:10 67:2	112:12	duplicated
deposition	developing	69:23	125:17	32:25 33:17
1:12 5:1	13:10	directors	132:9 133:6	duties
14:1,4	development	41:4	door	11:6 37:23
52:16 56:17	64:13	discussed	27:16,22,23	59:18 90:23
78:25 81:11	deviation	20:10 34:22	29:25 29:19	duty
131:24	97:12	87:5 186:10	29:20,20,21	38:2
deposition's	Diane	197:6	93:21 111:8	D-A-N-K-J...
56:11	39:15,16	discussing	111:8,9	5:24
deputies	Diaz	155:24	118:20,21
121:6	180:2	discussions	122:1 156:4
Dershowitz	different	64:20	186:20,22
119:14,17,18	98:15 123:1	disheveled	doors
describe	147:7 157:2	197:10
27:12,14	172:24	dispatch
28:17 48:14	difficult	39:4,5,14
191:6	169:25	disrespect
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21:6 22:23		7:16 50:8	93:21	entryway
38:17 45:17	121:17	72:24 88:6	en	27:23 149:14
75:1 88:6	122:13	96:11 99:6	114:20	environment
97:17 117:2	123:16	108:20	ended	64:19
East	125:24	113:2	64:25 90:19	environme...
2:4 105:23	126:23	146:18	engage	26:9
105:24	127:1,7	153:9	155:21	Epstein
106:11	129:5,7,15	159:22	engineer	1:8 5:21
108:14,25	129:18,25	162:19	6:13 15:13	7:25 15:4,7
eastern	130:3,7,8	170:3	25:6,6,16	16:7,23
117:5	131:6,11	ejaculates	25:20 26:19	18:8 20:12
eat	132:6,8	175:24	36:12,15,17	20:18,23
14:5 51:17	134:5 137:9	Elaine	36:19 37:2	21:1 23:14
echelon	137:16,23	192:14	37:2 59:11	23:18 24:2
12:10	138:3	electroni...	67:2 68:1	24:2,6,8,17
economy	139:24	47:18	68:16 69:23	26:21 27:1
162:21 164:2	140:1 142:3	Elena	90:24	27:13 29:7
Ed	144:14	187:8	181:16	31:13 32:10
32:3	146:21	else's	198:8	32:25 33:20
education	148:8,10	127:15	engineering	34:5,7,14
10:11 135:8	149:2 152:3	153:22	8:15	34:17,18,25
Educational	152:7	Emmy	engineers	35:8,8,11
135:13	153:15,17	192:13,15	180:3	35:12 36:9
Edwards	153:21,24	200:15,18	engineer's	45:3,9,22
2:3 4:6,12	156:14	employed	37:24	50:19 51:20
5:14 9:18	157:5	5:17 36:13	England	52:1,5,7,10
11:12 13:25	159:19	43:11 64:3	77:2	52:17 53:5
32:1,4,5	163:20	employee	enjoy	53:8,11,12
34:2,6 36:8	171:24	19:12 57:21	13:9 59:20	53:23,25
37:14 39:11	172:4	179:10,11	enjoyed	54:19,22
39:13 43:22	173:12	179:14	13:3	55:1,19,23
46:22 50:3	174:15,25	180:18	ensures	56:4,7,15
54:16 57:24	176:2	employees	173:8	56:19 57:17
65:11,19,23	177:13,17	107:5,8	entails	57:23,25
66:5,12	181:8	172:22	11:3 173:5	58:1 59:6
71:13,14	182:21	employee/...	enter	60:11,14
73:14,17	190:1,8,14	81:21 104:22	27:20,22	61:2 64:17
75:24 78:15	190:18	employer	entered	66:11,18,22
78:21 79:4	195:21	19:13 57:3	12:13 46:17	66:24 70:15
79:11 86:25	196:9,24	employer's	entire	73:4,5,15
88:1 100:20	197:6,18	81:15	129:10	73:20,22
104:14	198:5,18,23	employer/...	182:12	74:11,20,22
105:18	199:3,6	136:20	entitled	75:7,21
106:24	effort	employment	176:23	76:16,24
110:11	180:15	29:6 90:2	entourage	77:15 80:7
113:6	EFIS	employys	141:10 165:5	83:7 84:14
114:14	27:9	172:23		85:9 86:16
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87:2,18	185:10	Europe	4:16	115:4
88:17,21,24	186:8,22,25	12:15 111:15	existed	e-mails
89:2 90:1	186:8,22,25	Eve	114:8	115:7
92:25 94:24	186:8,22,25	188:20	exited	E.T.
100:17	190:22	eventually	11:11 43:21	143:13
102:19	191:2,10,20	85:25	197:21,24
104:8	192:24	everybody	expensive	F
105:15	193:20	27:17,18	96:2	FAA
106:8,10	194:1,4,15	30:20 127:2	experience	25:8,10
107:25	196:14	everybody's	24:21 25:9	26:12 41:17
108:17	199:12,14	127:3 164:2	25:11 99:11	46:8,10,11
109:19	Epstein's	exact	142:7,8	46:23 47:5
110:18,19	6:11 31:9	32:15 33:20	expert	47:7,9,10
112:10,15	69:4 109:6	50:21 71:17	148:3 185:4	47:14 78:11
113:3	109:24	80:15 83:20	Explain	78:17
114:23	123:9	84:18 98:7	25:17	fabric
114:23	133:13	116:15	explanation	101:16
117:7,16	145:14	164:7	179:12,15	fabricator
118:10	149:12	exactly	exposes	33:10
119:12,23	160:17	46:1 63:6	175:21	fabrics
119:24	163:25	74:17 82:5	exposure	93:7 98:14
120:3 121:2	167:16	90:19 114:1	50:17 52:14	facility
121:12	169:4,15	141:16	130:22	33:11 97:4
124:15	170:20	181:4	Express	fact
128:17	182:9 186:5	186:21	12:2	31:4 52:20
130:10,13	194:21	187:2	extended	120:15
131:1,7,13	195:4,11	193:14,16	124:10	137:11
131:23	197:1	194:17	extra	169:1
132:3,17,18	equipment	EXAMINATION	82:5 173:7	176:12
133:9,18,25	185:3,4	4:1,6,12	extremely	193:18
134:7,11,13	erect	5:13 199:5	102:1 122:20	facts
134:16	175:21	examined	Ex-President	174:24
135:4 136:9	escort	5:11	124:4	factual
139:6,12	168:4	excellent	eyes	120:22
140:15	especially	68:7	121:9	fair
145:8,20	22:24 156:20	exchange	Ezell	55:8 159:11
149:5 154:6	ESQ	135:7	2:16 4:8	161:7,13
155:13,23	2:3,4,21 3:3	exchange-...	153:12,13	fall
157:21	3:9,15	135:9	153:16,20	12:16
158:4,10	Essentially	exclusively	153:23	falling
159:22	8:13 29:9	63:13	180:23	157:20
162:11	90:4	excuse	190:13,15	familiar
168:6,23	established	153:12	190:20	23:10,12
170:7,16,23	121:19	exhibit	191:16,19	75:7 111:25
171:4,17	161:19	4:18 137:24	192:7	138:6 143:1
173:23	162:19	148:16	195:18	150:9
176:10	163:19	172:5,6		165:14,18
177:1,4,9
177:14	12:19,19,20
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169:15	176:9	13:22 14:10	126:16	105:4,7
182:2 187:4	feeling	65:9,14,15	FL	108:3,12
189:20	129:19	65:15 129:9	1:17 2:5,11	122:3 127:8
family	felonies	129:13	2:17,22 3:5	139:23,25
48:19 117:8	199:9	finished	3:10,17	142:12,20
136:19	female	50:2,4 56:23	Flagler	142:22
famous	72:16 152:11	57:19 65:12	1:16 2:16	143:1
124:2 185:9	152:11,11	119:24	3:9	144:25
far	152:12,12	129:12	flew	147:14
15:19 20:25	152:13	Finns	23:13 45:14	172:6,9,10
30:21 41:24	153:5,5,5	62:20	60:19 63:18	173:15
66:17 80:20	158:9 179:6	first	85:17 94:23	176:14
80:21	179:24,24	5:10 7:24	123:21	177:18
102:12	180:10,10	9:7 15:6	132:24	179:2,23
128:1	181:3 197:5	20:16 25:19	185:24	180:1
145:19	females	28:11 29:5	186:21 191:2	181:14
159:4	125:7,9	45:8,13,24	191:10	185:18
164:17	Fifteen	52:9,23,25	192:21	193:4,5
FARs	11:10	53:1,2	195:10	198:7
80:17,19	figure	60:16 61:4	flight	flights
fashion	82:5 92:4	62:6 63:24	5:20,25 6:13	22:25 43:10
51:5,7	158:1	66:15,18	8:14,15,18	50:22 59:13
fast	figured	74:12,22	9:1 10:4,8	76:24 99:23
58:23 59:1	32:17	75:21 83:7	11:5,15 15:2	109:16
127:5 190:2	file	92:22,23	15:13 22:24	112:6
fatalities	42:1,2,3	93:3 94:23	24:19,25	127:11
42:9	44:6 47:17	95:1,17,18	25:4,5,6,16	138:19
father	fill	95:21 98:16	25:20 26:19	195:15
103:16	147:11	99:14	36:12,15,17	flipped
Father's	filled	103:20	38:25 39:17	103:18
144:17	82:17	105:4	39:23 40:15	floor
fault	finance	113:24	40:21 41:1	31:5,16
24:22 35:20	187:13	116:13	41:9 42:1,2	32:13,14,24
fax	financial	121:4,10	42:12,19,25	33:2,3,4,15
154:23	57:6	124:12,12	43:3,18,23	33:18 34:10
fear	find	137:12	44:13 46:4	34:21,23
136:15	42:9 51:17	138:4	46:11,23	35:1,7,11
February	58:20 103:7	143:11	47:5,9,12	93:13
7:19 58:1	179:4	147:15	47:17,17,19	Florida
60:3 116:17	fine	170:11	51:19 53:9	1:1 67:5
116:18	10:14 68:9	179:1	62:11 67:2	70:3 86:6
171:16	68:10	186:11,14	68:1,2,9,15	86:13 89:19
200:3	137:23	199:1	69:23 77:13	90:9 97:2,3
Federal	finest	five	78:9 79:14	97:4,7
80:22	27:5	42:9,9,11	90:24 93:3	101:15
feeble	fingers	73:8 82:8	93:9 95:1	119:21
185:16	175:23	92:14 141:4	95:18 96:22	135:15
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flown	forever	125:23	forms	frequently
166:12	83:14	126:14	180:8	155:11,12
185:24	forget	127:21	Fort	176:20
fly	65:24 90:18	130:15,19	2:5	191:2
6:10 22:22	124:14	131:4 133:5	forte	friend
24:25 25:15	143:25	134:18	59:24	70:24 144:16
48:4 68:14	144:2,2	136:10	forth	friends
68:15 76:20	150:2 195:8	137:8 139:7	69:18 110:4	19:17,24
76:25 93:4	forgive	139:13,21	161:12	20:5,18
96:3 97:2	190:21	141:14	forties	40:4 122:24
120:14	forgot	142:2	141:15	133:9,13
132:20	129:17	145:10	Fortune	159:9 170:6
191:20,23	form	146:20	11:20	front
193:1,7,11	8:1 9:17	150:17	forward	125:16
194:10	16:24 18:15	151:13,15	27:21,22,23	fuel
flying	20:13 27:4	152:2,6,25	28:1,2,3,19	26:8 138:21
13:3 23:13	37:13 38:5	153:7,19	29:18,20	144:9
24:15,17,18	38:22 42:21	154:1,13	47:5 93:23	full
26:3 43:18	42:24 58:7	159:7 161:9	93:24	37:2 57:21
43:19 49:13	64:23 66:2	165:21	118:20,20	81:2 196:1
52:13 58:11	66:6 71:11	166:15,18	forwarded	Fuller
58:19 59:2	71:23 76:17	169:17	47:7	109:9,10,11
59:9,15	78:14,19,23	170:8,17	found	fully
61:6,8 74:1	79:2,7	171:23	21:1 65:1	27:8
74:5,10	81:14 82:1	172:3,25	74:2 84:13	fun
75:12 78:16	83:2,10	173:11	Foundation	58:20,22
80:13 95:5	86:24 87:25	174:14,18	135:15	function
96:19 116:8	88:5 89:11	174:23	foundations	192:17
116:15,16	90:3 91:9	175:5,13	135:13,14	funds
119:24	94:14 95:7	176:1,7,11	four	16:1 187:21
171:16	95:14 99:18	178:8 179:8	17:16 42:7	funny
192:24	100:19	179:16	55:10 92:14	71:25 111:4
194:12,20	101:22	180:23,24	95:3 98:8	further
195:3,15	102:3,10,20	181:6 182:6	fractional	4:12 199:2
197:2	103:9,22	182:20	193:4
199:20	104:13	183:13,18	frame	G
following	105:17	184:8	39:8	g
57:1	110:10	187:14	France	115:18
follows	112:17	188:16	191:25	galley
5:12	113:5	194:14,16	194:24	28:19 29:20
follow-up	114:13,24	194:22,25	195:4	29:21 94:2
199:4	116:6	195:17	Francisco	94:4
forbid	117:22	197:18	191:23	galley's
38:20	118:8,12	198:5,18,23	free	28:20
forced	119:6 121:3	199:10,24	150:20	general
198:2,10	121:16,23	200:8	Freidmans	110:24
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13:12	141:17	71:17 79:22	141:7	137:11,12
generated	156:4	81:7 93:14	142:12	137:20,23
46:24,24,24	166:20	189:15	146:2 149:6	142:12
47:1	175:3 176:4	190:11	149:15,16	146:9 148:6
generates	girlfriend	198:25	164:8 166:7	148:12
79:18	18:22 49:6	given	173:23	156:24
generation	158:5	37:3 133:3	179:7	158:13,20
25:18	girlfriends	136:7	182:23	158:22
generically	48:24 178:1	175:16,17	184:5,6	160:14
81:3 153:5	girls	193:25	185:18	165:24
179:6 181:3	48:13,14	194:3	188:10	166:5,25
gentleman	52:7 54:10	Glenn	190:18	168:4 172:5
25:21 55:14	54:20 72:3	187:10,11	God	173:9 177:2
61:6	76:8 95:6	Glimcher	5:7,8 38:20	180:9,21
gentlemen	95:10,13	60:19 61:6,9	163:8 189:3	183:9 190:2
140:20	101:21,24	64:9,11,22	goddaughter	196:16
	102:1 104:4	64:24 67:7	123:3,20	199:25
180:2	104:9	84:20,22	godson	Goldberger
getting	111:16	85:18,22	123:3	3:3,3 9:17
72:6,24	114:11	87:6 145:22	goes	11:11 12:13
78:19 80:15	121:1,14,18		92:10,12	16:24 18:15
88:23 99:23	121:21		145:19	20:13 27:4
104:1	122:4,12,14		165:2 188:9	31:25 37:13
146:13,15	123:12		going	38:5,22
Ghislaine	125:25		37:4 38:3,9	42:21,24
70:5,7 76:12	126:10		40:18 50:7	43:21 46:17
76:14 88:15	134:13,17	go	51:3,18	46:18,21
101:24	140:25	6:6 18:18	52:15 56:1	119:18
102:8,18	151:11,25	41:13 42:8	66:24 68:2	good
103:2,21	166:5,7,11	44:15 50:13	80:9 81:1	65:22 66:12
107:21	166:24	51:4,17	82:11 83:14	68:5 75:17
121:12	168:14	56:24 57:10	91:11 93:16	130:7 174:6
149:6 157:9	171:21	60:2 62:3	95:21 100:4	179:12
157:21	172:1 173:9	83:4,9,12	100:5,14	goods
165:4	175:2,11	86:4,17	101:1,4	98:11,12
169:19,20	177:10	86:19 92:11	108:20	Google
169:23	178:6 181:2	96:11,12,22	118:6 119:9	56:3 57:1,9
170:20	194:12,20	97:5 98:23	120:6	57:11
173:16	195:3,11	99:16 100:9	121:12	gotten
177:14,20	197:9,12	100:13	122:1	74:4
177:20,22	199:8,14,15	105:11	125:20	government
178:3,13	199:16,22	110:12	126:22,24	177:1,2
181:10	200:5,10	118:17,21	127:4,4,13	Governor
Ghislaine's	gist	119:4	127:14,15	167:9
187:14	69:7,8	124:11	128:4 129:2	go-between
girl	give	127:22	129:19	22:11
101:21	5:5 14:13	129:7	134:2 137:6	grabbed

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111:9	91:3	hangar	hear	helicopter
gratify	Gulfstream	37:1 59:19	17:24 113:1	151:21
139:6	11:9,13	61:17 64:9	114:10	166:13
green	22:13 24:24	64:10,19	126:18	193:11
31:21	31:20 74:1	65:8 67:12	151:20	helicopters
Gregory	74:5,18	83:5 86:2	155:24	169:21
62:20	75:9 85:7	87:7	169:13	hello
	91:10,17,18	happen	175:16	132:2 163:19
ground	92:17	81:4 88:7	196:17	help
36:18,18,21	Gulfstreams	140:7,8	198:20	5:6,8 28:8
36:21	8:19 11:8	happened	heard	30:21 60:11
grounded	22:23	88:11 117:24	18:7 38:19	67:1 68:1
97:10,11	guy	118:14	54:9,13	138:7
grounds	53:17 56:19	139:15,15	63:21 66:3	165:18
185:7	63:6 84:14	139:18	68:17,18	helped
group	108:8	140:2 167:5	70:4,7	55:1
43:12 141:12	149:20	175:11	100:7	helping
176:5	160:8	176:13	103:10	189:11
grow	173:19	178:17	111:2,23	Henri
41:5	guys	199:21	112:19	12:2
growing	78:19 150:19	200:6	117:10,12	Hey
133:17	G-L-I-M-C...	happening	121:10	69:4 83:13
guess	61:11	74:16 123:17	135:18	84:13 153:3
21:5 52:16	H	happens	143:11	163:3
55:3 81:6	Hammond	38:25 84:24	144:20	hi
81:22 100:3	80:3,4,6	118:25	150:8	108:6 196:15
112:14	147:13	151:8	151:11,16	high
138:10	hand	175:18	159:2 160:1	20:5,5,8
149:3	148:6	176:8	160:5,18	25:14
152:23	handed	happy	168:25	133:16
178:21	137:15 144:5	83:21 84:2	170:11,23	138:10
187:1 198:7	handle	156:6,7	171:1	high-end
guessing	102:15	hard	173:13	185:3
152:21,22	200:22	65:17 175:22	185:24	high/low
guest	handles	Harry	186:2 187:3	93:25
81:8,16	185:2	17:18	189:25	Hinson
guests	handling	haul	hearing	22:8,9
122:24	112:13	150:5	63:24 65:17	hint
194:15,18	hands	Hawker	hearsay	18:24
guilty	166:4	64:22 74:18	63:8 160:3,4	hire
174:20 175:1	handwriting	74:24 85:4	160:24	12:17
199:9,14	147:1,3,20	85:9	heavy	hired
200:7	147:22	Hawkers	25:8,11,14	9:8 19:10
guise	148:3,4	8:20 11:8	92:11	60:23 66:14
29:6	152:20	head	hedge	70:2 84:25
Gulf	hang	136:13	187:21	85:2 86:1
	19:17 87:11	heads	held	88:14,16,17
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113:17	182:15	51:12 55:20	important	initial
130:9	house	76:5 81:3	9:14	193:15,16
145:21	17:4,6 54:1	85:12 89:7	imports	initially
183:10	54:6,11,20	89:21,23,24	151:11	96:24
hold	81:16	111:14	impression	initials
13:21 34:1	121:14	116:7	99:23 155:18	6:17 89:6
34:15 46:3	137:6 139:5	118:16	inappropr...	injured
50:1 56:22	149:20,25	119:5	198:10	156:7 197:23
57:19 65:9	150:1	130:11	inappropr...	Inn
99:9 129:3	162:19	135:1,20	198:16	10:3
190:11	164:23	149:8,11	incarcerated	innocent
holding	165:12	150:16	58:4 162:19	130:25
6:18,19 7:3	167:13	152:12,14	incident	Inns
44:24,24	168:5,15	152:17,22	111:2	62:18,19,21
holdings	170:20	154:6	incriminate	62:22,24
44:14	173:2,4,8	155:13	183:22	inputs
holidays	175:11	164:20	INDEX	102:16
40:6	178:25	168:12	4:1,16	ins
home	182:9,10	171:8	India	25:12
58:12,24	184:17,23	172:20	196:7	inserts
108:20	185:6	180:9,12	indicate	175:23
111:5	188:14	183:16	107:25 148:1	inside
120:16	189:8,16	identical	148:2	33:8 93:15
149:9,12	193:21,25	29:11 35:1	indication	inspections
156:5	housekeeper	identific...	18:4 147:21	97:18
164:17	184:19	138:2	individuals	install
178:12	houses	identify	42:19 43:7	33:11
186:20,21	162:9	158:8	50:9 140:20	installation
186:24	How's	ignore	industry	28:25
homes	150:23	68:17	186:9	installat...
13:15 46:16	huge	II	Indy	185:5
86:18 188:9	107:2	200:24	62:24	installed
homosexual	hull	illegal	Indyke	33:18,19
17:25 18:5	31:21	180:21	107:10,11	35:2
honestly	hundreds	imagine	108:21	instances
35:20 41:13	120:25 137:3	21:20 71:3	109:1	49:10
106:9 143:8	hydraulics	99:20,22	119:11	instruct
143:21	26:8	Imlay	infatuated	140:15
148:3	Hyperion	80:1,3	182:18	instructed
173:20	169:18	immediately	information	37:21 38:16
189:14	H.R.	15:5 93:4	17:24 18:7	instruction
honesty	10:19	Immigration	21:19 39:24	140:17,19
27:8		43:2,4 78:18	47:19 56:18	intent
HOROWITZ	I	79:13,16	79:13 80:16	122:23
2:9	idea	impact	196:25	intention...
hotel	6:23 11:18	120:8
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intents	invited	57:18 173:24	55:1,19,23	179:24
114:7,9	118:17	174:10	56:4,6,15	181:10,19
interest	167:13,15	Jane	56:18 59:6	181:22
57:2 156:17	involve	2:8,14	60:14,23	182:9 183:9
156:19,22	9:6 19:7,14	Jansen	61:2,5	183:15,16
interested	involved	154:2,3,19	64:25 65:2	183:22
67:25 69:13	7:18 10:18	Jansen's	65:6 66:14	184:1,7
88:13 160:4	18:8 66:21	154:20	66:23 67:25	185:2 186:5
interior	79:5 84:15	January	74:10,20	186:8,25
27:9,12,14	84:21 87:2	12:25 24:12	75:7 76:24	187:14
28:24 31:22	87:18	26:25 70:3	77:9,11	188:3 191:2
33:10,12,17	117:13,16	85:15 88:22	84:14,21	192:24
93:10	128:19	88:23	85:1,2,9,19	193:20
100:25	135:8,11	138:18	86:2,8 87:2	194:1
102:16	168:14	144:6,8	88:13,20,24	196:14
115:7	involvement	148:6,7,11	89:2 90:1,7	Jeffrey's
intern	7:25 10:1	151:1	90:8,10	110:25
189:12	21:6 119:12	190:23	94:24 99:2	JEGE
internati...	140:12	197:1	100:17	4:19 5:18,19
22:24 43:1,1	186:12		102:18	6:16 7:14
43:3,10	involving	2:12	104:8	8:9:3,4,18
50:22,25	56:15	Jean	105:15	90:2 108:23
51:19	IRS	107:23	106:10,16	169:18
internati...	46:13,15	109:12	106:17,18
76:25 78:16	island	110:12,16	106:20,25	181:25 182:1
80:13	151:14,17	110:20,22	108:4,17	182:2 191:4
interpreting	158:22	111:11	123:8	191:5,5,6
7:8	163:16,18	152:10	124:15	191:10
interrupt	163:21	155:6,8,10	135:7	Jennifer
196:21	188:5	156:10	144:11	1:23
interview	189:11	186:12	145:12,14	jeprojects
10:19	islanders	194:6	145:20	115:8,11
intimate	159:5	Jeff	149:5,9,12	JESSICA
158:9	issue	54:13 87:18	151:6	2:10
introduced	78:24	409:9,10,11	152:10	jet
108:5 132:15	issues	111:4 171:4	154:1 155:5	25:7 33:6
132:16	19:2,3,6,14	185:10	155:13,23	98:10,10
introduces	115:8	Jeffrey	156:11	JFK
60:14	200:23	1:8 7:25	158:4,10	150:14
introduction	I-M-L-A-Y	15:4,12,14	159:15,21
60:16	80:3	15:25 16:7	159:21
intrude		45:3,8,22	162:11,25
82:19	J	50:19 51:20	169:3 170:7	3:6
investigated	J	52:1,5,10	170:23	Jim
156:15	2:3 3:9	52:17 53:5	172:13	23:2 80:1
investiga...	JACK	53:8,11,12	173:16,23	job
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60:12 62:6		kitchen	60:22 61:16	109:12,14
65:1 67:6	107:12 109:1	94:4	63:3,4,7,10	109:17,18
74:4,7	112:5 113:1	knew	63:13,19	109:21,24
83:15 84:13	113:8 114:8	10:10 15:6	64:2,10,12	109:25
jobs	114:8,17	15:15 60:9	64:18,25	110:2,6,18
10:8,10	115:21	60:19 63:15	65:1 66:17	111:18
Joe	121:13	74:4 76:19	66:17,25	112:1,5,14
42:13	124:20	82:23 91:8	67:1,10,12	114:20
Joe-Joe	149:5	180:18	68:1,2,12	115:4,9,19
149:21,22,24	150:16	194:8	69:10,11,16	115:22,23
149:25	154:2	knock	69:18,21	115:25
189:5,6	157:11	140:16	70:21 71:1	116:3,24
Joe-Joe's	159:24	know	71:1,5,5,6	117:3 118:6
149:23	161:6,7,17	6:20 7:1	71:8 72:22	118:23,25
jog	161:21	8:10,17 9:2	73:24 74:19	119:17
72:9	162:23	9:4,11,22	75:9,15	120:13
JUDICIAL	177:4	10:20 11:21	76:15 77:1	121:25
1:1	181:22	11:23 12:9	78:10,17	122:1,4,11
	's	12:10 13:7	79:5 80:13	122:12,14
187:3,4	115:25	15:3,10,19	80:17,18,25	122:17,19
June	Kennedy	16:14,14,25	80:25 81:5	123:2,5,22
98:21 105:3	96:1,1,4	17:1,6,8,9	81:6,6,8,24	125:25
191:15	144:9	17:10,21,22	82:10,13,17	127:22,22
	148:13,14	18:12,13	82:24 83:2	127:23
K	148:16	19:13,15,16	83:16,25	128:21,24
Kalib	172:13	20:3,15	84:18,19,19	128:25
189:24	179:25	21:25,25	84:25 85:6	130:20
Karin	kept	23:3 24:5,8	85:17,19	132:3
109:22	44:6	24:15,19	86:1,4,7,19	133:11,14
KATHERINE	Kevin	26:23 27:1	86:21 87:24	133:15,16
2:16	125:4	27:17 30:18	88:11,12,14	133:16,18
Kathy	...	30:18 32:7	89:10,12,13	133:21,24
153:13 190:9	2:18	38:13,21	89:17 90:13	134:24,25
190:9,15	kids	39:7,14,25	91:20 92:3	135:1,5,6,6
191:13	17:22	39:25 40:7	92:10,13,24	135:9,10,22
192:6 199:4	kind	41:13,18,24	95:5,15,16	135:22
keep	7:23 11:7	43:25,25	96:11 98:14	137:4
12:5 15:1	14:12 19:11	44:3,10,16	100:7	138:15,24
27:15 33:2	43:8 64:23	45:1 46:1	101:10	138:25
65:14,16	102:12	46:23 47:2	102:13	139:1,3,3
127:13	106:12	47:2,4 48:7	103:1,2,12	140:10,23
128:2 148:5	107:18	49:16,21,22	104:19,21	141:16,17
150:12	121:20	49:23,24,24	105:8,21	142:8 143:3
keeping	153:3	50:12,18	106:10	143:4,8,10
46:12 127:23	155:16	51:9 53:21	107:3,3,15	143:10,10
keeps	156:8 164:1	53:21 54:22	107:17	143:14,15
41:9	165:15	55:15 57:3	108:3,6,8	143:17,20
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144:15,17	180:19	L	106:12,14	leads
144:18,19	181:24		106:17	27:24,25
145:5,8,13	182:1 183:3	ladies	127:10	learn
145:22,23	183:19,25	48:17 141:10	144:22,23	63:1
146:16,17	184:14,16	141:13	147:23	learned
146:24,25	184:17,19	Lady	151:21	134:4
147:1,19	184:21	143:19	160:12,19	learning
148:2,20,23	185:8 186:7	lag	160:21	111:20
149:19,24	186:11,22	196:19	161:16	lease
150:8,11,11	187:1,5,12	laid	162:14	188:12
150:13,19	187:18,25	162:7 163:6	184:15,23	leather
150:20,23	188:4,8,12	164:6,7	185:4	98:14
150:25	188:17,18	Lake	193:24	leave
152:20	188:19,20	2:22 97:8,8	196:5	36:18,20
153:1 154:3	189:1,2,8	181:14	Larry's	84:22 136:8
154:7,16,20	189:19,21	lam	147:2	163:23
154:25	193:3,11,18	116:3	Las	175:25
155:11,16	193:20,25	landed	2:4	leaves
155:21,22	194:2,6,18	166:12	late	36:18,21
156:9,10,12	199:19	Lane	38:17 45:17	leaving
157:20,25	200:19	13:20 61:12	45:18,19,20	43:5 107:20
158:4,14,21	knowing	67:13	45:24 46:4	175:3 176:9
158:25	43:15 118:16	Langley	48:1 70:19	led
159:24	knowledge	62:14	70:21 75:10	76:13 175:18
160:3,10,12	15:24 16:16	large	76:4 78:7,8	186:22
160:13,13	17:3 21:21	11:20 24:20	78:9 88:6	left
160:14,14	24:1 40:8	28:10	178:22	27:24 84:20
161:2,3	46:9 79:23	113:15	Lately	85:22 97:13
162:3,5,8,9	133:24	115:3	56:8	97:14
163:16	161:17,18	Larry	Lauderdale	163:18
164:7 165:9	161:17,18	1:13 4:4 5:1	2:5	197:7
165:9,17	168:13	5:10,16,17	LAW	left-hand
166:2,8,14	192:18	23:5 60:15	2:20 3:14	27:22
167:22	196:25	60:18,19,21	lawyerwil...	legal
168:1,17,18	known	61:4 64:2	2:23	160:17
169:1,8	10:7 20:23	64:16,21,25	layoff	Lerner's
170:6,9,9	54:9,19	66:10,16,18	164:1	12:2
170:10,10	106:13	66:24 67:3	layoffs
170:14	111:14	69:1,17	162:5
171:6	121:22	73:25 74:9	layout
172:15,18	128:10	83:6,17,19	29:3,4 31:15
173:1,18,20	168:20	83:22,25	lays
173:21	169:4	84:10 85:8	175:19
175:7,8	182:22	85:24 86:5	lazy
177:3,8,22	186:16	86:13,21	146:14,15
177:25	knows	90:5 91:21	lead	48:24 49:10
178:1,2,10	30:20 144:23	91:22 99:7	10:5 36:25	49:19 50:8
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53:9,10,20	43:11 45:14	160:15	24:10 25:8	135:17
54:23 55:2	50:18 62:25	187:16	26:12 50:14	151:19
56:15 59:8	63:7,8,9	lived	63:19 75:3	154:5,13
59:15 60:11	64:14 70:11	9:12 67:6,9	83:18 84:17	157:23
61:24 62:7	77:21 97:13	67:10	85:17 98:6	159:8,20
63:1 64:3	130:22	107:13,15	116:14	162:4,5
68:5 70:24	Limited's	109:4	128:10	165:23
71:16 75:19	27:9 31:4	lives	160:11	166:3 185:2
75:21 79:24	limiting	17:10 61:24	163:5 174:4	199:21
109:3,4	126:5	150:10	186:8 189:3	lottery
let's	limits	173:21	longer	170:24
83:4 147:6	47:21	187:17	58:20 126:21	loud
148:5	line	living	126:23	155:24
181:11	90:13,25	42:5 86:9,19	145:12	Louis
191:20	92:10	LLC	longstanding	191:21
level	lines	6:18 44:24	20:11	loved
19:18 136:19	199:8	load	look	185:20
149:14	list	149:17	14:12 56:18	loves
150:4	6:16 152:9	loads	57:7 102:1	185:20
177:23	152:12	82:8 144:10	122:19	lower
life	153:4	local	134:14	149:14 150:4
145:24 146:3	178:18	166:11	146:8	Luc
184:17	179:7 180:9	location	181:11	107:23
lift	listed	22:2 111:5	182:3 190:1	109:12
150:21	81:2,3	186:23	190:3	110:13,16
159:10	152:16	log	looked	110:20,22
light	153:18	142:12 172:7	49:12 57:6	111:11
156:8,20	179:5,6,22	173:15	79:12 153:3	152:10
liked	181:2,3	176:14	182:7	155:6,8,10
32:23 33:15	listening	177:19	looking	156:10
35:10	129:5	logistics	12:20 26:2,3	186:12
likelihood	listing	200:22	90:14 93:15	194:6
82:11	146:8 152:13	logistic-...	103:18	lunch
likes	lists	113:18	129:18	126:25 127:2
112:16 185:3	81:2	logs	138:5	LUTTIER
Lima	literally	37:18 41:9	142:13	3:8
196:5	25:25 26:4	43:24 46:4	144:4	lying
limited	164:23	46:23 47:5	looks	133:4
8:11,23,25	little	47:9 78:9	141:18	L.M
9:1,20 10:7	60:21 98:19	79:14	142:10	1:4 2:2
11:22,25	126:23	127:13,20	143:20
12:1 21:21	127:9	179:2	150:13
21:23 22:2	145:25	London	155:5	magazine
22:17,18	151:22	51:4 77:2,3	158:14	55:10 56:1
24:11 29:11	161:17,18	77:11	179:18	magazines
32:23 33:15	166:1,1	long	lot	55:6,7
39:6,17,23	live	6:19 12:22	12:5 31:1,9	magician's

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main	55:2 189:12	182:23	9:14,15	145:13,21
164:23	managed	183:2	11:19,25	146:1,5
165:12	15:25	massages	12:3,7	148:21
167:13	management	112:16,25	13:13 15:1	150:18,21
168:5	28:8 102:12	113:3	16:15 21:20	151:19
maintain	manager	114:11	28:10 29:2	152:19
6:4 13:16	149:25 150:1	182:18	29:5 30:25	154:12,14
26:7 80:14	187:13	masturbates	36:10,12	156:22
81:19	managers	175:21	38:20 39:9	159:5,6
184:10	188:14	match	40:5 42:4	161:10,11
maintained	managing	33:4	42:23 43:15	161:12,17
8:22 27:10	133:19	matter	44:13,22	162:21
maintains	manifest	31:4 91:22	45:21 46:13	163:2 164:2
25:21 44:1	191:14	137:17	47:24 48:18	165:2,18,22
maintenance	manifests	Maxwell	49:3,15	166:16
6:3,9 7:22	137:15	70:5,7 76:12	51:5,8,9	169:18,25
8:14 11:4	191:12	76:15,25	56:20,20	170:4 173:1
13:6 14:24	manner	77:3,10,15	63:2 64:18	174:11
14:24,25	197:7	88:15	64:19 67:10	175:6
19:14 22:21	mansion	101:24	69:7,23	178:19,21
25:9,11	136:2	102:8,18	70:10,13	178:22
26:20 41:8	manufactu...	103:2,15,21	71:2,20,24	183:1,5,5
58:25 59:19	112:3	107:21	72:10,18,22	183:19
59:21 60:10	Marcinkova	114:5,7,10	73:12,21	193:8
62:13,18	107:14	114:17	81:6 83:11	200:16
67:2 69:24	Marissa	115:17	83:21 86:10	meaning
90:25,25	189:19,20	121:2,13	87:9 89:17	186:25
92:11,14	mark	125:11	90:5 91:21	means
97:13,14	106:6,8	141:8 149:6	92:24 96:17	25:12 28:8
101:5 115:8	107:14	157:9,19,21	98:13	81:12 185:1
132:19	135:4 149:4	158:7,8	100:25	meant
181:13,15	157:11	169:23	101:2	14:9 194:24
181:16	Marissa	170:13,14	104:15	mechanic
183:7	189:19,20	170:21	105:21	10:11 11:6
184:10	mark	173:16	106:12	43:18 64:21
major	106:6,8	177:14,20	112:4,22	mechanics
30:11	107:25	177:22	116:10,12	22:24
making	137:11,12	178:3	121:12,24	meet
7:5 113:13	137:18,23	192:14,21	122:11,23	8:3 9:7
114:3,10	137:21,24	200:15	123:3,5	21:22 64:7
156:8	marked	Maxwell's'	124:10	65:7 108:16
male	138:1	178:13	127:1	119:16
72:16	marketing	192:19	134:23	150:3
mall	12:17	MC2	135:12	meeting
64:13	married	109:21,21,22	136:19	106:7 113:14
man	63:10 145:25	111:1	138:14	119:25
65:23	massage	mean	141:15,17	143:9

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170:20	Michael	129:20	Monterey	2:7
meetings	2:4 3:9	172:11	192:8,12	Myster
9:6 112:13	65:13	miscommun...	month	144:12 149:4
114:3	154:25	31:23	9:9	150:14
Meister	196:13	missed	months	N
144:15,17,19	mid	24:22	95:3 98:8	N
144:24	28:19,20	mistake	116:23	1:16 2:21
146:18,22	45:20 46:1	141:24	162:2	3:9
members	46:4 75:1	mistaken	Morrison	107:14,15
48:19	middle	133:4	1:13 4:4 5:1	116:9 135:2
memory	29:13 165:15	misunders...	5:10,16	135:4
44:21	mid-twenties	32:16	131:9	138:23
men	141:15	model	190:21	144:12
63:22	178:22	110:2 187:6	196:6,13,24	149:3
mention	mid-year	modeled	motel	150:16
106:1 112:15	98:17,19,20	34:10	62:24	151:6
145:2,3	Mike	modeling	motor	152:10
173:3	79:4 163:8,9	109:19,21,22	111:5 156:4	154:1 155:5
mentioned	164:4	109:25	186:20,21	157:11
22:13 54:25	190:11	110:17	186:24	159:15,20
55:11	195:21	155:18,20	mouth	172:14
112:18	196:6,9	155:25	9:11	173:17
140:24	199:7	156:6,15	move	176:18
172:20	Milan	186:6,9,16	65:20 134:2	177:5,8
179:2 191:4	51:5	186:22,23	136:10	naked
mentions	miles	189:22	137:8	71:18 175:19
152:4	138:21,21	models	153:19	name
MERMELSTEIN	164:23	110:5,7	174:23	5:15 8:21
2:9	million	111:7	175:5 176:1	17:14 20:2
met	27:2 89:8	156:11,11	177:12	41:10 42:19
8:4 9:4,5	mind	modern	179:20	44:9:11
18:22 24:8	27:15 65:14	31:16 33:22	moved	63:7,8 70:4
36:9 54:23	65:16	68:22	12:5 70:3	75:7,5
61:4 64:8	111:10	modificat...	85:25 86:1	80:15,24
106:3	126:15	93:5,6 98:4		81:2,10
119:14	180:21	Mohammed	3:11	82:19 89:6
132:9 143:7	181:4	81:23 82:11	Mullen	106:4 109:5
167:9	mine	molest	144:12 149:3	109:12,14
169:12	6:25 24:23	177:10	150:7,14	109:21
185:9 186:1	54:10,10	mom	152:11	143:11
Mexico	102:16	123:21	154:1,5,7	144:20
89:19 163:14	minors	money	173:16,18	145:14
164:11	139:5	7:5 55:2	181:19,23	146:14,18
166:11,21	minute	133:19,25	multiple
167:1		175:24	13:15 92:1
170:24		187:13,22	mute
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149:23	navigation	118:21	166:25	190:3
150:2	93:8	132:23, 24	170:24	Nothing's
152:18	nearby	133:6 134:1	185:19	33:9
153:4	161:8	136:17, 18	187:6 188:5	notice
154:18	necessarily	136:18, 22	189:7	171:21
160:2, 8, 10	122:6 161:10	136:25	Newark	noticed
161:22, 22	162:14	140:16, 18	96:2, 4	30:3 196:19
170:5	199:22	149:19	newspaper	November
178:15, 18	necessary	151:16	104:18	88:11, 12
180:3, 5, 8	80:12, 14	153:9, 10	135:24	196:7
180:15, 16	need	156:15	newspapers	number
185:21	18:19 41:18	157:25	56:10 175:14	40:10, 12, 14
189:15	42:10 53:21	166:14, 16	nice	40:16, 18
191:5, 8, 8	128:2, 19	168:20	185:15, 16	121:5, 10
191:14	137:21	171:1 173:3	night	138:9, 11, 13
196:2, 3, 6	150:21	182:7, 19	50:14 108:19	numbered
196:13	174:3	183:3, 14	nipples	28:6
named	needed	186:1, 10, 16	175:22	Numerous
11:15 125:6	22:5 120:13	189:25	nobody's	36:11
161:6	140:22	new	142:15
167:16	159:10	12:20 20:7	181:12	0
169:23	needs	32:25 33:18	nods	object
190:24	113:11, 12	33:19 34:25	136:13	71:11 197:18
191:1	neglected	35:2, 13, 14	noise	198:5, 25
192:13	180:8	35:24 36:5	48:5	objected
names	negotiations	44:23 55:10	non-Epstein	66:1, 6
12:14 19:25	97:4, 6, 9	68:19 84:13	84:4	objection
23:10, 12	neighbors	86:5, 14	Non-Prose...	79:7 81:14
34:16 37:18	64:19 108:16	89:19, 19	176:23, 25	objections
37:22 38:3	neither	95:16, 18, 19	nope	78:20, 23
38:9 43:6, 8	66:3	97:15 99:19	192:3	79:2
47:17	never	99:20, 22, 24	normal	oblivious
127:14	14:4 18:24	100:4, 13, 14	43:9 82:7	121:11, 15
142:16	38:19 44:4	100:16	165:3, 5	obvious
144:17	45:6 49:24	101:19	176:21, 21	83:1
145:3 146:9	53:12 54:3	103:11	normally	obviously
152:13	54:4, 4, 7	105:4, 9	39:1 51:4	31:1 55:13
157:2	57:6 63:18	106:19	96:22 110:3	64:16 69:11
163:17	65:4 66:13	110:16	110:15	90:24 99:2
177:19	72:10 73:4	113:13	118:21	110:18
189:8, 9, 14	76:19 82:17	127:8	127:18	124:1
	83:24 92:4	149:13	Northeast	138:18
186:2, 4	100:21	150:10, 20	44:24	146:17
NASA	101:1 111:2	155:12	Noted	154:12, 14
62:14	111:23	161:12	71:13	161:18, 22
nature	112:18, 24	163:14	notes	162:11
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193:2	128:23	178:23	Operations	151:21
occur	131:25	179:21	10:20 39:21	overnight
49:10	140:13	181:18	40:9 41:3	88:8
occurred	163:8	190:8,18	41:20 80:20	overnights
136:1,2	166:14	192:12	opportunity	58:19
occurring	167:2 168:3	195:8,9	13:2,6 68:15	owned
114:16	168:16	200:13	200:1	20:4 22:15
October	178:19	Olas	optical	22:16 26:22
1:15 5:2	185:14	2:4	20:4	30:1 31:3
odd	Ohio	old	opticians	31:12,12
153:9	13:12,17	32:24 33:4	20:4	64:11 71:16
odds	17:8 20:7,9	33:15,15	option	73:12,23
82:14,16	61:22,23	117:8	96:12	74:10,20
offenses	62:3,8,12	120:19	options	75:13 76:15
174:21	63:4 67:3,5	136:8,24	187:20,21	84:4 86:18
offered	67:11,12	138:6	193:4,5	91:7,12
13:2 24:18	83:5 96:25	141:24,25	order	108:17
office	97:5	142:10	150:12	169:2
2:20 3:14	okay	151:25	176:15	owner
21:12,13,14	6:4,14 13:24	152:23	organization	75:17 82:9,9
21:16 29:22	14:20 17:24	153:17	10:14 16:5	82:23
29:23 49:13	23:23 25:3	175:18,22	41:7	ownership
94:9 112:1	25:23 34:17	176:10	organizing	108:1
112:2,3,4	34:19 35:4	older	113:2	owns
114:18	41:15 47:8	25:18 178:21	origin	7:13,15 9:19
115:1 150:4	50:14 52:15	once	142:18	44:9 89:9
officer	56:3,24	15:14 26:22	original	89:12 92:25
25:20	71:7,13	31:12 56:25	4:24	105:21
offices	78:5 82:14	70:8 92:9	ORSECK	106:10,20
22:3	82:25 86:13	106:3 110:1	2:15	106:25
oftentimes	88:2 94:5	112:15	Oscar	107:3
101:18	100:24	157:19	196:6,7	187:25
Oh	118:19	160:13	OSU's	188:8,15
6:25 10:17	123:1,4	165:13	62:16	o'clock
18:9 20:24	127:6	173:18	outs	48:8
36:12 40:4	128:23	one's	25:12
45:13 49:17	130:21	138:4	outside
54:12,16	131:15	one-third	17:2 52:1
56:10 59:17	132:6	36:24 59:13	87:13
59:23 62:2	136:21	open	112:22
62:8 63:2	139:9 140:5	37:7 93:23	Overage
68:7 84:5,7	142:21,23	opening	182:5
87:12,22	143:18	156:4	overall
94:22 96:15	146:8	operated	12:22
96:21	153:21,23	8:19 11:5	overhear
106:17	157:1,10	22:17	110:21,22
108:2,6	176:3,16	operating

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pages	102:12	43:8	156:25	101:1
1:2 4:19	145:2 169:1	Patrick	158:14	102:22,22
paid	172:6 173:8	188:21	159:8 162:3	102:23
89:1 105:15	187:23	pax	163:6,11	112:11,12
130:13	195:8	146:6 149:4	165:7,17	112:14
132:3	particular	149:4	172:23	133:24
153:10	27:2 38:25	152:16	176:19	134:12
183:4	47:2	153:8,8,8	179:5	136:19
paint	parties	pay	180:16	personally
143:18	23:21 150:25	101:4 146:4	185:9 199:7	8:18 9:2,24
Palm	partition	146:4 176:5	people's	19:1 22:2
1:1,17 3:5	94:13	paycheck	53:21 71:6	87:24 96:17
3:10,17	partitioned	88:24	145:3	96:20
95:16 97:25	139:17	paying	percent	130:13
136:2	partitions	128:13,16	11:22	134:10
142:18,18	37:3,5	payroll	percentage	183:25
144:9	party	120:5 184:12	36:20	personnel
148:13,14	194:21 195:4	184:14	perfectly	79:18
148:17	195:7,8	PBI	26:18	philanthropy
150:10	passenger	97:23,24	perform	135:8
151:1	4:19 11:10	98:1 159:13	91:1	phone
158:24,25	37:17 39:1	172:13	performance	65:16,21
161:5	70:8 72:11	179:25	25:14	78:25 90:6
182:10	80:14 82:7	peculiar	period	90:10
188:5	109:15	179:4	26:25 67:6	102:13,14
panel	127:13	people	73:22 74:19	102:14
26:5	137:15	10:9 12:10	74:21 85:5	104:2
paper	138:8	19:17 23:20	113:19	129:10
117:4,12	144:13,13	24:5 26:2	191:9	150:24
176:24	146:7,13,16	30:24,25	periodicals	160:9
177:11	152:8	38:3,9	16:21 55:5,7	physicality
paperwork	191:11,14	42:11 46:15	permission	7:18,20
7:19 147:12	194:9 198:3	55:16 72:13	118:24	25:25
153:11	passengers	79:5 81:2	person	pick
paralegal	12:5,7 37:19	81:23 82:4	9:15 16:19	95:13 110:13
162:25	72:23 82:10	82:8 88:4	50:15 55:21	113:17
Paris	96:6,18	91:25 96:13	67:3 68:10	149:16
51:5 110:4,7	142:17	96:18	75:15 80:24	picking
110:12,16	145:4	110:14	101:14,20	28:5 186:18
188:7,10,11	150:15	113:2	120:10,12	picture
192:1	181:16	118:11	133:4	28:9 107:19
194:10,13	196:25	121:5,24	146:13	113:22
part	197:5	124:2 125:6	161:21	116:10,23
37:23 41:20	passes	127:14	176:6	135:3
41:22,23,24	97:18	141:22	personal	154:11,15
42:15 58:16	passing	142:4,8	9:6 16:22	pictures
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103:19	150:17	193:8	33:18,19	plan's
Pike	151:13,15	197:21,24	34:10,21	34:23
3:9 4:11	152:2,6,25	piloting	35:1,7,11	play
46:20 58:7	153:7,19	67:19	42:1,2,12	82:14
65:13,13,22	154:25	pilots	93:13	playing
66:1,7	156:1,13	23:1 24:4	plane	49:12,14,16
71:11,23	159:7 161:9	25:19 26:3	26:3 28:22	49:17,18
76:17 78:14	163:19	26:10 27:16	29:1,13,14	82:15
78:19,22	165:21	68:23 69:2	31:16 32:15	plead
79:10 81:14	166:15,18	85:8 99:5	33:20,21	174:20
82:1 83:10	166:15,18	147:25	34:7,9,23	pleading
86:24 87:25	169:17	193:19	35:6,8,10	175:1
88:5 89:11	170:8,17	pilot's	35:14,25	please
90:3 91:9	171:23	25:5	36:17,21	32:6 40:12
94:14 95:7	172:3,25	pilot/mec...	37:15 47:10	129:10,14
95:14 99:18	173:11	64:22	47:14,21	129:24
100:19	174:14,18	pinch	48:7,10,12	177:16
101:22	174:23	175:22	48:13,23	196:17
102:3,10,20	175:5,13	pinpoint	50:8,20,23	200:24
103:9,22	176:1,7,11	52:12	51:14 52:1	pleasure
104:13	177:12	place	65:8 68:19	195:11
105:17	178:8 179:8	26:24 37:10	73:13,16	pled
110:10	179:16	51:18 53:20	74:10,22	199:9,14,19
112:17	180:24	61:24 86:16	75:3 77:7	200:7
113:5	181:6 182:6	100:5	77:15 82:12	plus
114:13,24	182:20	111:25	84:15 91:20	11:23
116:6	183:13,18	114:18	91:23 93:6	pocket
117:22	184:8	135:16,19	93:15,16	29:15,19,20
118:8,12	188:16	154:10	96:18,24	29:21,23
119:6 121:3	190:5	168:19	122:12	PODHURST
121:16,23	194:14,16	188:4	132:20,24	2:15
122:5,16,22	194:22,25	13:13 51:25	140:24,25	point
123:15,23	195:17	188:15	141:1	20:15 46:12
125:23	196:10,12	Plains	157:15	47:23 52:16
126:4,14,18	196:13,21	95:22,25	169:7,9	52:22 55:21
126:21,24	196:23	96:3	192:21	56:3 67:21
127:6,21	197:19	plaintiff	193:1,8	70:12 73:18
129:1,4,6,8	198:19	1:6,14 2:2	197:1,7,12	73:19 74:13
129:21,22	199:2,10,24	2:19 190:8	197:21,24	74:15 96:22
130:2,15,19	200:8	Plaintiffs	198:2,4,22	96:23 103:6
131:4 133:5	Pike's	2:8:14	planes	138:12
134:2,18	199:7	Plaintiff's	6:4,10 11:18	140:9
136:10	pilot	4:17,24	37:18,19	143:22
137:8 139:7	10:20 23:5	plan	51:20 91:2	180:20
139:13,21	26:14 38:16	31:5 32:14	92:2,19	183:10
141:14	40:23,24	32:14,24	plans	192:20
142:2	41:6 60:23		42:19,25	pointed
145:10	60:25 85:2

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	152:16	108:4	180:10	66:13
police	pre-printed	124:21, 21	proximity	query
135:25	180:7	134:21	67:18	81:7
policies	primarily	141:4	public	question
38:14, 15	79:25 99:25	142:19	15:24 21:20	13:22 14:11
41:17	124:19	161:23	64:12	14:16, 16, 19
politics	primary	164:23	publicly	17:2 18:20
168:25	5:21 59:18	185:7	9:25	19:16 32:19
portion	100:4	problem	published	50:6 65:14
139:15	120:15	36:2 66:1	175:15	65:15 66:7
position	Prince	79:10	pull	71:12 72:18
10:5, 12	143:1, 9, 17	problems	95:20	87:9, 16
24:18 26:19	170:6, 11, 15	102:14	purpose	129:11, 16
69:20, 22, 24	prior	130:12	19:11 49:23	129:23, 25
140:3	10:1 63:14	process	51:11, 13	130:4, 6
possible	70:4 85:3	35:22 128:22	92:1, 2	132:7 134:6
121:21	90:7 100:16	processes	100:14	196:1, 18
possibly	114:4, 20	11:23	105:7, 8	198:7
51:24 83:7	131:23	procuring	123:5	199:13
poundage	133:18	156:10, 11	124:13, 14	200:2
138:22	private	175:1	127:23	questions
present	13:8 21:10	professional	174:2	14:6, 17 66:6
132:18	37:17 71:2	25:5 177:24	183:21	76:14
president	95:19, 23	182:22	purposes	104:24
22:10 124:4	121:9	program	114:8, 9	130:18
124:22	140:21	13:10 97:13	117:20	190:3, 6, 17
140:24	145:23	97:14, 15	126:11	195:19
141:1	146:2	promoted	175:2	196:16
171:10, 13	184:17	41:1	put	197:3 199:2
pressuriz...	privately	proper	31:16, 17	quick
26:8	30:1 31:3	20:2 113:14	37:16 79:8	85:18
presumably	privileged	130:20	80:23 150:5	quicksly
74:10	131:5, 6, 7	140:19, 23	152:24	74:6
presumption	privy	properties	putting	quit
161:7	38:7 171:3	188:3 194:3	151:22	116:14
pretty	probably	property	P-A-X	171:16
30:6, 7, 9	15:8 19:15	166:13	146:6	190:9
47:16 68:5	27:5 36:24	167:25	P.A	quite
69:22 92:9	39:4 45:20	169:1	2:9, 15, 20	66:2 112:8
104:20	48:11 50:13	187:25	p.m	155:10, 11
previous	60:15, 18	193:21	1:15 48:8
8:5 10:10	70:20 71:21	prosecute		R
18:22 24:20	73:9 75:5	177:2, 4	Q	racing
60:9 76:5	75:10 81:24	prospect	quarter	62:23, 24
84:5 158:19	95:2, 18	68:25	187:23	radar
previously	98:19	protocol	queen	93:8
40:23, 24	105:12	130:20	94:19	raised
76:14		140:19	queried	67:5

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title	number	number	number
raising	156:21,25	136:22	32:19
129:12	174:22	137:1,2	registered
ramp	175:10,16	146:14	145:14
132:13	176:22,24	reasoning	regular
ran	177:11	47:3 152:15	82:10
149:20	184:5	164:7	Regulations
ranch	reading	recall	80:22
163:6,12	16:10 133:22	191:1 397:2	REINHART
164:9,18,21	134:4,8	197:6	3:14,15 5:23
165:13,14	ready	recognize	13:21 18:19
165:18,25	130:2	154:15,19	32:3 34:1,4
166:4,21,23	real	191:7	34:15 36:6
167:1,12,15	7:6 12:19,19	recognizes	39:8 50:1
167:19,25	12:20 23:15	25:8,10	54:14 56:22
168:3	74:6 98:17	recollection	57:19,23
169:12	103:20	77:14 191:9	65:9 66:9
171:11,20	133:13	195:14	73:11,15
171:21,25	190:2	record	75:23 76:1
172:1 188:4	realize	14:12 37:22	76:9 96:16
189:11,11	35:24 174:20	38:8,18	99:9 106:21
193:21	190:16	70:13,14	122:8,10
random	really	78:23 79:8	78:23,5
104:24	13:9 46:2,2	137:14,22	129:3 130:5
raped	65:24 66:13	144:5 157:4	131:2,5,9
198:22	71:25 83:9	159:17	132:5
rapport	90:6 92:5	records	137:14,20
64:23	93:12	44:2 46:6	139:19,22
rare	102:21	122:3,11	141:2 144:5
96:21	118:16,23	recruiting	148:7,9,25
arely	118:25	121:13	157:3
112:3	133:14	Red	158:16
rating	147:16	10:3 62:18	159:16
25:7 193:15	148:3	62:19,21,22	177:16
193:16	153:10	62:24	191:13,18
reach	154:7	REDIRECT	192:6,10
40:16	158:11	4:12 199:5	198:25
read	165:13	Reed	related
16:14,18	171:6	5:21,25 60:5	19:3 23:17
55:5,7,12	180:13	60:7	79:13
56:1,7 69:6	195:21	referring	relationship
80:19 89:17	200:10	140:11	15:3,7,22
103:13	reason	regard	16:11,23
112:23	42:13 58:16	197:5	20:11,22
117:4,11	58:18 68:12	regarding	21:1 23:20
133:10	80:23 82:3	196:25	24:2,6
135:24	82:16,18	regardless	55:19 64:23
137:5,6	92:7 120:15	14:10	81:21 87:10
154:22	131:20	regards	87:10,20

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106:5,7	rephrase	134:3 196:20	9:15 13:12	123:6 128:7
107:7,12	20:14	responsib...	15:21 16:17	128:8
108:24	replace	37:1	16:21 17:17	131:21
109:2,5	46:21	responsib...	18:23 19:23	136:21
110:15,16	replaced	127:16	20:20 22:16	137:3
111:3 113:8	13:3 34:24	rest	22:19 27:19	139:10
113:21	report	146:2	27:25 31:18	141:20
114:1,6	39:18 42:11	Restate	32:2 33:13	142:9,11
115:5,12,24	reporter	72:18	33:23,25	143:19
116:13,15	1:23 5:4	restroom	34:24 35:6	145:6
116:25	reporting	111:7	38:21 44:7	146:11
117:5	38:2	restructured	48:2 52:18	147:8,9
118:10	reports	33:3	55:16,17,18	151:5,7
124:18,24	135:25	result	55:22 57:11	152:21
125:11,12	175:10	90:4	58:6 59:12	157:7,8,12
138:5 141:3	represent	results	59:16 60:17	158:18
143:3,8,9	196:14	90:1	61:1,3 63:5	159:5
143:12	represent...	retail	63:17,25	161:24,24
150:9 156:3	45:4	12:6,11 23:4	67:17 68:11	162:16
161:1,23	represents	51:9	68:17,23	164:21
162:1	131:12,13,14	retired	69:6 71:4	165:15,19
163:16	reputation	121:7	71:21 72:17	167:17
166:19,22	15:7 27:10	retiring	73:14,14,14	168:20
166:24	request	60:10	74:8,9	170:14
167:3,7,8	43:24	rhyme	75:16,20	172:7 174:4
169:10,11	requested	92:7	77:14 78:12	174:21
169:11	21:18	Richard	79:8,16	179:13
170:20	require	2:20,21	80:7 81:12	180:6,16
171:10	43:6 46:10	195:25	81:13 85:14	183:6 185:1
178:20,24	required	Richardson	86:15 89:9	186:13
182:2,4	37:20 42:2	167:9,19,24	89:23 91:13	199:23
185:25	80:17 101:6	168:6,11,13	96:9,25	road
186:1 189:7	resay	169:2,4	97:16,20,20	58:12 120:16
189:14	23:22	170:19	98:22 99:3	166:2
190:24	research	171:4,9,18	100:8 101:3	Rob
191:1,5	62:16,17	Richardson's	102:6,6	80:1,2
192:13,15	111:11	168:23	103:3,4,5	robin
193:14,15	researcher	ride	104:19,25	172:10
194:12,17	62:14	7:16 15:14	105:24,25	rode
195:3,6	resources	15:16 50:20	107:11,18	66:19
remembered	63:9	82:12	107:18	Rodgers
100:6	respect	134:23	108:15,15	23:8 61:14
removed	26:13 136:17	150:20	111:18	61:16 66:10
29:9 93:11	175:8	riding	112:20,24	66:18 67:8
repair	response	79:18 81:9	113:20	69:1 74:9
181:17	65:17 69:9	right	116:1 118:6	74:23 75:11
repeat			119:23

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83:6 85:8	5:25	154:2 155:5	118:14	secure
85:24 86:14	S	157:11	123:7, 17, 18	82:3
86:21		159:15, 20	140:7	see
127:10, 18		159:24	175:24	17:21 18:13
147:22	S	160:24	says	27:16 29:13
185:6	3:16	161:6, 7, 16	138:13 146:4	33:1 37:4
Rodriguez	sad	161:21	155:1 157:9	45:25 50:10
188:23	156:6	162:23	157:13	50:16, 19
Romeo	safe	163:4	161:16	67:14 81:18
196:5, 5, 7, 7	175:9	164:25	scared	87:7 89:18
Roof	sail	165:4	197:7	89:22 93:17
10:3 62:18	185:20, 20	176:18, 18	scene	93:23
62:19, 21, 22	sailor	177:4, 8	42:8	101:20
62:24	185:20	181:19, 22	schedule	114:23
room	Salaried	sat	165:7	117:13, 16
28:14, 21	184:13	97:4 115:1	scheduled	117:19
29:24 81:17	salary	satisfied	90:25	122:1
93:21 94:16	69:11, 19, 21	26:18	scheduling	125:17
94:17, 18, 21	90:12, 15	save	113:2 139:5	139:16
118:4, 11	101:4, 5	137:13	Schmo	140:3, 8, 13
176:10	183:5	saw	42:14	147:6
rooms	salon	182:11 45:8	school	153:11
166:1	28:1, 2, 19, 20	45:11, 13	10:12 20:5, 6	157:14
ROSEFELDT	29:19, 22	49:24 52:22	20:8 91:25	165:8, 22
2:3	93:23, 24	52:23 53:1	133:16	166:5
ROSTHSTEIN	94:6 118:21	53:8, 16, 23	schooled	167:11
2:3	sample	73:9 90:8	99:13	180:3
round	101:17	108:2	science	181:11
94:7 172:10	samples	116:20	135:13, 15	191:20
route	12:16	139:1	scratch	200:18
114:20	San	149:19, 20	180:8	seeing
routing	191:23	154:10, 15	se	52:9, 17, 25
47:20		157:19	158:5	53:2 116:13
rows	107:12, 13	166:16	seating	116:25
28:5	109:1 112:5	167:10	28:3, 11	166:22, 24
rumors	113:1, 8, 21	182:7, 7	seats	167:7, 8
63:21	113:21	183:3 189:8	27:17 93:25	seemingly
run	114:1, 4, 8, 8	191:12	94:20	68:5
126:16	114:17	197:22, 25	second	seen
163:11, 13	115:21, 25	saying	5:24 13:21	30:5 42:23
171:12	116:8	7:7 25:10	Secret	49:9 53:25
running	121:13	31:14 33:1	9:20 12:1	118:1 154:9
171:9 173:4	124:20	72:17, 23	43:11	161:19
173:8	125:11	75:4 81:18	secretary	179:1
runs	141:8	81:22 82:15	109:6	send
173:1	144:11	100:4	sections	115:7
runway	149:5, 9	104:15		separately
72:25	150:15

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192:24	104:6	149:4	123:25	150:10,19
serve	Sharon	150:14	size	150:19
22:14 45:3	18:21 63:16	155:9	94:19	153:21
served	63:18,18	157:12	skip	154:20
121:6	She'd	192:14	156:24 157:6	160:5,8,18
service	102:11	side	skipped	161:6 165:7
7:16 47:18	shock	27:22 29:20	7:23	174:16
92:13 95:24	197:15	29:21 111:8	slave	186:25
96:1 115:13	shocker	sideways	117:9	somebody's
set	104:16	25:16,21,23	sleeping	127:13
24:19 28:4	shoot	25:25 26:4	50:13	165:19
44:14 57:10	111:4,6	26:5	slide	something's
121:20	186:24	Sierra	143:16	58:20 181:4
seven	190:12	196:7	small	son
123:11,25	196:9	sign	29:10 41:4	17:18,20
sex	shoots	85:13	63:6 93:11	120:20
49:9 111:15	110:2,23	signed	102:11	sons
117:9 121:1	111:1	85:15 91:16	166:1	143:19
121:14	shops	silly	small-knit	sorry
125:20	12:18	156:8 200:13	30:19	13:24 14:1
126:11	short	similar	smart	23:22 28:2
175:2 177:3	46:19 62:13	30:3 31:5	144:1	31:23 35:4
178:5	67:6 74:19	35:12 147:3	sneak	35:19 54:17
sexual	74:21 85:4	156:25	82:11	58:1 65:11
102:24	101:10	single	social	65:24 72:20
117:19	108:3,5	93:25 94:20	19:18 71:9	78:2 87:9
140:12	146:6	sir	87:10	96:16
159:22	shortly	196:1,4,8	177:22	106:21
sexually	26:24	sit	soft	117:5 122:8
18:8 117:13	show	26:5 77:15	98:11,12	126:3
117:16	81:1 101:16	119:8	sold	129:12
139:6	122:3	128:13	32:25 35:11	139:19
151:25	134:23	130:14,17	35:12 64:24	143:11,12
197:13	137:11	183:10,17	84:5 85:5	143:22
198:21	158:13	sits	169:3	153:21
sex-related	172:5	25:21,23	solely	177:18
49:9	176:14	27:18	87:21	189:18
shake	181:12	sitting	somebody	190:15,25
188:18	showed	26:4 81:17	9:19 14:5	191:7
shaking	136:16,17,18	103:12	16:4 41:9	194:24
127:3	136:22,25	125:15	73:2 75:13	195:22
Shalom	175:8	128:7	81:7 91:24	sort
189:24	showing	129:18,20	111:15,23	45:3
shape	138:8 153:14	183:20	126:12	sorts
7:25	Shuttle	situation	127:15	157:20
share	181:25	82:22	128:10	souls
104:8 187:23	sic	six	133:3,21	41:25 42:3,4
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sound	spring	138:17	27:9	Street
191:8	12:15	starting	Stein	2:16 105:24
sounds	St	14:22 68:16	109:7,8	106:11
111:25 150:8	100:7,9	120:4	111:23	108:14,25
182:2 187:4	151:3,4,8	state	step	133:20
189:20	151:14,17	28:21 29:24	82:5	strictly
South	185:19	32:22 33:14	stepped	49:20,21
67:5 86:6,13	191:20	62:4,8,12	7:18	58:24
Southwest	stack	94:16,17,17	steps	183:23
44:24	137:15	94:21	185:17	strike
Spacey	staff	stated	stereo	106:8 134:2
125:4	124:19	68:13 193:7	185:3	136:10
Spain	125:13	statehoods	sticks	137:8
192:2	141:11	46:16	111:10	153:19
speak	162:4	statements	stint	174:23
20:23 21:9	Staley	129:9	62:13	175:5 176:1
Speaking	23:2 39:19	States	stop	177:12
135:15	39:20 40:1	52:2	24:13 96:8	student
specific	41:10,12	stateside	116:16	135:9
16:19 51:25	43:24 44:1	159:10	129:4	stuff
67:23 97:12	47:4 79:25	stating	stopped	13:10 30:23
specifically	stand	32:18 82:16	116:8 123:10	43:9 51:10
28:17 37:21	80:21 193:10	114:20	197:2	69:22
67:22 76:21	standard	station	199:19	103:19
89:2 160:21	44:25	47:18 125:16	200:19	113:15,18
speculate	standing	statute	store	138:6
16:10	29:13	138:21	12:18	151:20,22
speculation	stands	stay	stores	162:6 166:4
16:13 66:15	89:7	24:11 83:14	8:11,23	173:2
spell	Stanleys	96:5,12	11:24 12:6	184:10
5:23 61:10	158:21 159:1	105:14	22:10,17,18	185:5
146:25	start	108:13	62:25	200:23
spelled	10:22 41:5	148:19,22		stupid
146:22	59:14 75:19	148:24	100:10 160:8	143:18
spelling	88:23 105:3	149:9,10	160:9,15,18	Subconsci...
196:2	129:11	156:18	160:22	120:11
spend	138:16	164:17,17	161:4,22	subpoena
58:23	started	164:24	162:23	46:6 56:17
spent	20:16 21:2	168:2		121:6
135:16	24:10 43:18	stayed	163:3	suburb
spoken	43:19 45:11	17:4 103:11	straight	67:10
19:1,6	52:13 62:8	149:8	177:25	Sudden
199:11	63:8,20	165:25	strange	146:12
sporadically	65:1 88:11	166:2	35:4 153:4	Sued
87:8	95:21,25	182:12	161:22	131:18,20
Sports	111:6	stays	strangers	Suite
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3:4,10,16		144:25	tell	142:19 172:9
support	T	155:23	5:15 21:15	172:10
124:19		188:4,5	23:16 35:6	181:14
125:13	table	talking	45:2 53:10	testified
141:10	29:10 65:20	7:8 22:1	60:21 90:17	5:11
174:8,16	81:17 93:11	24:14,24	100:13	testify
supported	93:24,25	27:12,13	124:2	119:8
174:10	183:2	34:17 36:7	125:20	testimony
suppose	tables	39:11 45:17	126:1 138:4	5:4 32:12
41:1	28:10	45:24 48:21	142:13	133:3
sure	take	67:12 70:16	145:19	175:16,17
26:15 31:24	7:21 12:15	75:2 77:18	147:22	176:6 178:4
38:18 45:10	12:19 26:16	77:19 84:1	148:4,5	Teterboro
46:14 51:12	32:3 46:18	85:11 88:11	151:8,17,24	159:13
52:4 53:24	47:22 48:2	92:21 96:20	155:3	Thank
66:2 72:8	48:7 54:19	98:21 102:5	158:14	54:18 78:22
73:7 77:13	79:17 82:4	113:2,9,19	163:2	195:19,20
98:25 99:10	95:3 96:14	139:22,24	171:17	196:8,10,10
106:9	97:9,21	141:12	175:17	Thanks
109:18	98:1,6	153:5 171:7	180:15,16	153:16,23
113:13,16	101:10	196:22,24	186:8 189:2	thing
116:24	110:3	199:17	198:1,9,12	8:13 14:11
141:3 142:4	126:15,24	talks	198:15,20	42:1 111:3
143:6,12	127:2,4	41:18 156:24	199:8,14,22	111:10
147:16,17	150:14,19	task	200:5	144:9 156:8
148:4 165:1	164:16	37:24	telling	164:2
170:22,22	175:24	taxicab	63:25	180:17
178:19	180:15	166:20,22	tells	things
183:1,3	taken	taxicabs	162:22	32:21 47:20
185:25	1:14 14:2,4	166:17	175:21	98:15
189:23	45:21 56:12	Taylor	ten	102:15
surprise	91:23	23:2 80:1	20:19 48:8	113:17
18:10 111:21	takes	team	66:5 68:6	135:13,14
139:4,8	15:1 73:20	62:24 160:17	82:8 107:5	137:5 144:1
surprising	98:16	technician	124:25	156:20,23
137:5	talk	11:2 21:4	158:19	172:24
surrounded	22:5 40:3	22:14 23:24	tenants	199:21
101:21	87:8 88:15	25:1 36:25	108:24	200:6
swear	102:11	41:8 62:18	tend	think
5:4	110:19,20	67:15	55:16	6:21 7:4
switching	131:23	technicians	terms	15:18,25
83:7	132:14,17	24:5	53:10 79:18	17:19 19:15
sworn	151:20,21	telephone	90:15	35:20 42:9
5:11 178:3	182:16	2:14,19 3:7	terrible	45:11,15
system	200:11	21:10 46:20	96:1 189:9	46:13 55:1
41:14	talked	79:3 88:3	Terry	55:4,8
systems	40:1,5 83:6	101:13,18	47:4	61:11 64:18
25:22 26:7	127:9

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65:4 66:14	third	14:6 15:6	128:11	149:4 150:14
66:16 67:4	81:7,11	17:1 20:15	132:22	today
68:13 70:1	Thomas	20:16 22:5	135:17	56:12 128:7
70:18 73:5	100:7,9	23:6 29:5,7	137:13	131:24
76:16,20	151:3,4,8	36:17,24	138:9,9	183:4
77:10 78:4	151:14,18	37:2,16	140:25	Todd
79:5 82:17	185:19	38:14 39:8	144:10,10	144:12,15,19
82:18 83:16	thought	43:1 44:22	161:2 163:5	144:24
86:5,8	31:11 50:4	45:8,25	168:25	146:17
88:22 90:12	52:16 65:11	46:18 47:21	169:11,12	told
95:2,18,21	77:6 102:4	47:24,25	170:19	16:2,5,7
95:22 99:14	102:21,25	48:1,5	171:9,10	23:23 29:19
102:23	153:3,9	49:19,25	174:4 176:4	31:11 38:8
104:1,23	160:23	50:15 52:5	178:17,17	44:4 52:17
105:20	168:24	52:9,13,17	179:1,11	53:12 68:2
106:3 107:5	169:1	52:22,23,25	180:18,20	90:18
107:9 109:4	170:12	53:1,2,23	183:10	106:12,14
109:8,18	191:12	55:21 56:3	186:14	106:16
115:6,10,11	three	57:21 58:20	191:10,12	111:7 117:7
115:18	8:19 17:16	58:24 59:5	192:20,23	121:9
116:14,20	25:19 55:9	59:16 61:4	196:19	133:25
119:15	59:3 95:3	63:19,24	197:2	134:7
130:5	98:8 138:6	65:17 67:21	timeframe	171:25
131:15,18	151:24	70:20,21	139:20	172:20,22
132:24	166:24	73:12,22	timeline	172:24
138:25,25	194:12,20	74:13,15	69:25	173:4,7
141:9	195:3,10	75:21 76:21	times	175:19
144:24	three-man	77:1 83:7	36:3,11,20	182:17,19
147:11	13:4	84:17,20	50:7,19	183:23
155:2,8	three-person	90:8 91:11	59:3 66:2	185:1
157:18,22	66:22	91:16 92:15	71:10,15	186:18
157:22,24	three-pilot	92:22,23	73:5,10	187:19
160:16,16	13:5	94:23 95:17	76:3,5 89:8	tool
162:2,24	ticket	95:21 98:7	101:23,25	11:20
166:19,20	13:8,8 25:8	98:16,17	112:7 121:2	tools
167:24	tie	100:3	123:21	11:21
178:11	170:10,12	101:11	124:9	total
180:17	ties	103:6,20	151:24	138:11,16,19
182:2	ties	107:20	161:13,19	totally
183:20	19:19 60:13	108:2,13	164:13	34:3 123:6
185:23,24	Tim	113:14,19	165:1	touched
187:13,17	23:2 39:19	115:22	166:25	198:16
187:20,23	39:20 40:1	118:10	181:7 186:3	tour
189:3 190:9	41:10,10,12	119:21	193:14	124:25
190:12	43:24 44:1	120:6 121:4	200:18	tracking
193:17	79:25	123:20,20	tired	14:25 46:15
195:21	Timco	124:22	58:11	traded
199:13,18	97:8
199:19

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train	Trump	23:3	136:4	161:4 164:4
66:22	30:14 132:9	turns	uh-uh	168:22
training	133:6,8	175:20	14:12 108:9	unfortuna...
99:15 142:22	Trump's	twenties	umbrella	189:10
147:6,14	30:15,17	134:17	62:16	United
transactions	31:6	178:22	unaware	52:2
88:7	trust	Twenty-four	47:14	units
transcript	79:6 136:22	4:19	underage	106:22,25
4:24,24	137:1	twice	54:20 104:3	107:4
transition	169:13,13	68:13 70:9	104:9	University
26:23 78:1	truth	two	111:15	62:9,12
97:15	5:5,6,6	8:19 11:18	121:1,21	unnamed
transport	truthfully	15:23 16:11	122:4,14,18	150:15
172:1	119:8	17:18,20	123:13	unusual
transport...	try	18:13 59:3	124:1	32:20,23
113:10	14:13 56:18	68:23 69:1	125:25	35:22
transported	64:17 65:20	84:17 85:3	126:10	113:15
38:3 126:11	79:22 82:5	88:3 94:7	151:11	150:18,22
transporting	93:14 116:4	94:19	171:21	170:5
42:7	136:15	110:21,22	173:8 175:2	178:15
travel	156:18	124:10,10	178:5,16	updating
114:16	trying	131:8 132:1	182:5,8	162:6
155:11	14:5,6 19:21	141:9,10	understand	upgraded
159:20	32:22 33:14	148:11	14:14,17	93:4,8,8
traveling	70:12 71:25	151:24	15:22 20:14	upgrades
181:1	82:3 83:3	166:24	23:16 25:12	98:4
travels	111:25	170:15	34:3 47:25	upper
154:5,16	116:12	180:15	50:5,6	12:10
155:10	150:12	186:7 199:9	66:20 68:24	upstairs
176:19	169:25	two-man	73:21 83:11	175:19
trip	170:3	13:4 68:20	84:2 96:7	upstarting
49:23 100:16	tube	two-pilot	102:21	13:7
124:25	33:9	24:16	104:20	use
126:6,8	Tucker	type	105:2 123:6	11:13,16,21
138:9,11,13	125:2	10:18 23:20	13:5 186:4	34:16 47:7
144:11	Tuckerman	33:21 34:9	understan...	75:6 92:16
149:16	19:25	89:13 138:6	9:19 13:11	11:17
trips	Tuckermans	types	16:22 32:6	usually
50:14 124:10	19:24	30:12 113:7	32:13 42:10	21:11 22:7
124:10	Tuckerman's	typical	47:13 89:4	47:23 95:20
125:15	19:25	30:8,9	102:17	101:10
186:7	turbo	157:14	106:20	108:19
200:20	25:6,6		112:9	114:19
truck	turn	U	119:11	165:2
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191:1,3 vacation	85:24 86:21	81:6 82:19	179:7	24:6,8,11
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91:24 vagina	144:22,23	104:23	197:10	29:2,7
175:23 van	145:7,13,19	120:15	198:13,16	31:12 32:7
150:5 Vanity	147:15,23	130:17	wealthy	34:5,10,12
55:8 various	160:19,21	137:17	159:8	34:17,24
28:12 37:5 50:9 117:24	161:16	161:18	Weber	35:6,10,24
121:2 181:2 188:14	162:14	183:17	187:8	36:23 37:15
193:19 Vasquez	193:24	184:16	week	38:8,17,19
189:19 vestibule	Visoski's	wanted	59:3,4	41:7 43:12
27:23 vivrators	145:23	24:15,16	weeks	44:10 45:2
178:5 victims	visual	43:23 46:4	92:15	46:25 48:14
137:3 Victoria's	93:14	58:8,12,17	WEISS	48:24 50:8
9:20 12:1 43:11	voice	58:23,24	3:3	50:20 53:5
video	129:12	68:13 79:7	well-known	53:6,10
185:3,4 view	Volume	86:17	63:2	54:9,10,23
101:17 VIP	1:2 200:24	101:16,17	went	56:15 57:16
13:8 28:14 virtue	vs	104:9 120:9	10:11 20:8	59:8,15
196:18 visit	1:7	wanting	22:7 50:9	60:11 61:24
166:5,7,25 173:23 184:23	190:24	154:25	50:15 52:1	62:7 63:1
Visoski	W	wants	62:12,18,25	64:3 68:5,9
23:5 60:18 60:22 61:4 64:2,16 66:10,19 69:1 74:9 74:23 75:12	W	127:2	85:18 86:5	71:16 73:12
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	96:13 130:1	67:4 83:24	111:8 112:4	Wexners
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	waiting	113:24	weren't	Wexner's
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	walking	7:25 27:10	161:5 188:5	49:19 51:20
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76:12 80:9	winning	100:25	170:2 192:8	67:6,9,13
91:11 92:21	170:23	102:16	write	69:12 70:12
98:21 102:5	wish	113:3	127:14	70:12 71:5
108:18,20	26:16 189:17	114:23	190:21	71:24 75:14
113:19	witness	120:14	writer	78:6 84:8
118:17	3:13 4:3 5:8	135:16	187:20,21	87:22 88:9
122:1	13:24	163:15	writing	90:22 92:6
129:19	126:22	184:9	147:11	93:20 94:22
130:4 138:5	129:9,11,13	worked	179:19	97:1 99:25
139:24	129:16,19	8:11 9:12	written	101:23
142:13	129:23	10:3 33:16	89:15 180:3	103:17
177:2	130:5,12,25	39:9,12	180:5	106:15
199:16	130:25	40:4 61:5	wrong	112:3
we've	134:3	112:2,3	6:6 23:16	114:19
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121:19	159:18	193:19	146:18	139:8 141:3
125:6 179:1	190:7 196:4	working	156:4	145:11
whatsoever	196:22	12:21 13:10	wrote	147:14
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WHEELER	134:13,16	45:11 53:4	X	152:22
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95:22,25	125:14	184:7	115:9,15	168:21
96:3	195:15	190:22	Yankee	174:5
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129:4,4	197:23	works	yeah	180:7,12
wife	198:1	112:1 133:11	6:17 8:2 9:4	182:24
17:13 189:7	wonder	188:12	18:21 19:12	185:14,15
wife's	53:17	world	21:24 22:7	187:1
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138:6,9,10	161:12	#199	8:11 121:13	148:22
138:18	185:19	#1:2	125:1	18
141:24,25	187:6 188:5	#5	151:25	134:14 142:5
142:10	189:7	4:6	152:23	18205
157:16,19	young 48:21 76:8	0	12-year	2:10
161:2		01	153:17	19
171:12	102:1	12:25 24:12	12-year-old	148:6
175:18,22	121:18	26:25,25	195:11	19th
176:10	122:20	43:20,20,23	1200	148:23
years	123:3	85:15,15,16	11:23	1988
8:11 9:12	177:10	85:23 88:22	13	9:8 10:22
19:22 20:19	190:24	88:23	121:13	14:22 20:16
22:1 36:10	191:1	04	141:17,24	24:10 59:14
40:5 43:16	194:20	191:17	175:3,18,21	74:7
43:17 55:9	195:3,14,15	05	176:9	1998
55:10 68:6	young-loo... 134:17	157:16	13-year	20:25
75:7 79:22		191:17	136:24	1999
75:7 79:22	Yugoslavian 117:9	07	117:8 121:13	53:16
77:17,23		60:3 116:17	141:24	2
91:6 117:8	Z	116:18	142:10	2
120:21		171:16	175:3,18,22	2:8 154:24
123:4,8	Zeff 181:23,24	200:3	176:9	155:2
132:1 136:8		1	14-year-old	2B
151:25	zone 140:21	1	141:17	91:19 92:17
152:23		1:2 4:19,24	1400	2/10
year-and...	Zorro 163:11 164:9	137:24	3:4,16	154:24 155:2
132:1		138:1 146:4	15	2/15/05
yep	169:2,13	146:4 149:4	11:10 22:1	157:7
6:7 116:19		172:6 197:1	72:22 136:8	2/21/05
148:15	171:11 188:4	1/14/2004	141:24	158:17
170:18		138:4	142:10	2/24
York	$117,000 90:19,21	1/20/04	151:25	159:18
20:7 55:10		142:19	15TH	2/24/05
86:5,14	$200 176:4,5	10th	1:1	172:7
89:19 95:16		2:21	15-year-old	2/3/05
95:18,19	#	10/15	121:14 175:3	152:8 153:15
99:19,20,22		181:11	16	2/7/05
99:24 100:4	$117,000 90:19,21	10/17	136:8	153:25
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45:22 69:25	120:20	164:23	31:7, 12, 12	91
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85:20 88:2	3	181:18	34:18 45:14	42:15 80:19
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91:16 92:21	3/1/05	3:10	67:25 69:2	97:12
94:24 95:9	3/18/05	401	70:8, 10, 15	93
97:6, 16	177:18	2:4	77:20 84:21	75:4, 6, 12
98:17, 21	3/22/05	404	85:2 91:13	2:6
102:5, 17	179:20	2:22	92:22, 23	98
103:20		5	94:25	15:9 20:18
105:3		500	727s	99
108:12		11:20	27:2 29:25	15:9 43:19
113:20		502008CA0...	30:11 31:3	53:3, 4
117:1 123:9		1:7	727's	77:25
127:8		515	27:21
190:23		1:16 3:9	737
193:17			33:22
197:1		3:17	8
2002			8
117:1			2:8 146:12
2003			191:15
117:1			80s
2005			21:5 38:17
144:6 148:6			45:17
148:8, 11			88
151:1			12:21, 24
191:15			44:19 59:17
2007			75:19 85:20
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