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David Rodgees DBB Attny¶
AP is Adam Perry Lang Prince Andrew - always wrote full name upon reflection AP, Prince A were on same flight¶
Eastern Ky univ. in business - POTC¶
Army 2yrs active duty¶
govt. paid get pilot license¶
al bill to get ratings¶
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flight instructor
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Corp. 3yrs as pilot
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horse breeder-pilot
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4yrs Columbus Ohio work as pilot
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my office next de to Limited
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we selling plane
Aviation MGK for Limited knew selling¶
‘91 Les Wexner has friend who needs pilot mer wl je maybe next day couple days later je ½ I fly to Wisconsin to see his plane pre buy inspection Met broker, saw plane, came back¶
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Work for 29 yrs¶
28 yrs by time arrest¶
1st flight w/ JE¶
July 26, 91 → looked at logs yesterday¶
Hawker HS-700 Mid size jet until 12/04 maybe fit 12 people sold it¶
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Chief Pilot up until 12/04 05 became Capt.¶
CP -> responsible maintenance, schedule, keep up wl everything Capt/ -> just flying trip 1st off.¶
2nd plane Gulfstream 2B Feb 2,94 purchase went service Aug. put new interior in¶
guess 9 purchase light twin had 4-5yrs¶
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Pilots use small plane more than JE
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JE say we could use for vacay.
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JE maybe go 1x in while like trip to Bahamas
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twin engine plane at ranch
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keep at ranch occasionally
Boeing Jan ‘01 purchase put in service Aug’01 paint, interior¶
sold 2018¶
stopped flying¶
2016¶
Gulfstream flew at the time -Sold Nov ‘13¶
13 Gulfstream 4 light twin¶
-dont have Scsna $ ^{421} $ sold maybe 2000/2001¶
G-4 sold 2019 June¶
prob Mar ‘17¶
Gulf 550¶
flown little bit -> 20/30 trips went in for interior - took while¶
diff. LLC owns aircraft¶
right now 550 only plane¶
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Gulfstream 2B - main¶
8101: Bocing¶
94-00¶
2B: 12 seats Devan made into bed walk in make rt de there left-cockpit always closed¶
wide open area¶
club seating 2 seats 2 seats¶
table 2 seats face forward¶
Duwan make into bed¶
club seat¶
galley - lavatory another de baggage¶
Boeing 727¶
Rt. 1st comp. dr.¶
called forward salon 3 couches¶
↓ 2 face each other¶
seat 12/14 people 1 sideways¶
between¶
tiny hallway then galley - kitchen sink, fridge across buffet area¶
Round Rm - circular - couch next Rm was office bedroom¶
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crew always then lavatory baggage¶
1st time cleared customs It put banker my understanding he was money mgr I dont think he was hedge fund he had money in hedge lost money¶
I think I heard him say he only handle people billion or more not sure if from media neard¶
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only logs require how much time we flew need to know for maintenance I always have in every job date, passenger, flew where¶
For me FAA rating require think1980 -> Airline transport pilot 1500 hrs¶
1st rating is priv. pilot have to keep # of nrs 250 hr to become comm. air.p.¶
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re-certify¶
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every 6 mo - Boeing
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every 12 mo - other airline /now
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how many hes fown
‘91 - ‘05¶
Dmy Logbook¶
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passenger manifest
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how many bees fly on each day
Keep up W1¶
Aircraft, engines, APU times maintenance forms - pilots keep up¶
manifest¶
date¶
fuel flow (think)¶
pilot¶
I wanted accountability to if anyone asked who on tight I could say¶
Jeanny¶
when I chief pilot I’d keep those records Jack Goldberger I think fax someone in office 2006 he picked them up I had original until 2004 2005- I no longer kept those records¶
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plus/minus U mo from mtg w| FBI no longer had records¶
Sometimes¶
didn’t bring¶
logbook¶
w| me¶
logbook/manifest identical¶
when got back to PB would take manifest nome to update logbook¶
Logbook is personal manifest was company¶
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useful to me for his to know
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always kept records from 1st job as pilot
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did until 2007
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these were only flights I was on
G2B - 1x yrs went to training 5 days¶
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I had 3 wks vacation
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max 4 wks I wouldnt be on logs
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someone else kept manifests for flights I wasit on
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company would have manifests from flights not on my logbook
Boeing¶
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had 3 pilots¶
2005 we hired additional pilot possible more than 4 wks vacation / not flying¶
Bocing & Gulf going 2-3 wks training¶
Hawker / Gulf overlap 94 96,97,98 - if SE not on flight, it not going w/ few exceptions go Bedford , pick up A. Dershowitz¶
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I was sick, JE sent home
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occasion death in family , etc go home
2005/2006 I might be fly GM JE be in Bocing¶
Fly 1x every 3 days , sometimes more¶
there were lot of changes given schedule by GM never written - verbal¶
Je may be on flight say next Tues we’re going so so¶
wouldn’t be set make changes - would unusual would be GM or secretary day of or before¶
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Secretaries Paula Sherman - been 10 yrs when I got there couple yrs cant remember lot of them¶
Mandy Milroy¶
b4 MM ← Maureen LNu¶
too many didnt work out¶
phone call from GM never written schedule maybe 7 days ahead of time¶
GWM role = did lot of hiring/firing liked firing more I think lot of purchasing run houses - if there prob. had to deal wl nee if need something 4 plane weld tell her¶
I’d reach out to Gim or secretary regard sch.¶
rarely did we know who’d be on flight until they arrived¶
less than 24 hr notice sometimes typical 4 days month notice - event on certain date¶
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think so - if you on flight she more likely to reach out for scheduling of flight¶
Concord to Europe assume to Paris or London¶
PB to JFK - we could taxi up to Concord 92,93,94 Hawker¶
Gm could be on Concord also¶
quarter share - Gm had for 1yr maybe 2-3 beach jet going to wherever so we didnt take her¶
it’s poss. we could go for ex. we left ½ Gm meet later¶
VI We’d fly back commercial to JE ready to come back¶
We didnt check ID or DOB¶
if coming internationally we’d have¶
could be to have DOB or passport¶
over phone name, nationality, DOB¶
or passport have to have b4 takeoff 24 hrs ahead of time¶
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90’s customs form pass. nat. DOB capt. fill out¶
chief pilot I wouldnt always fill out wouldnt be capt every flight¶
think it would be fax to customs¶
prob got trashed¶
possible kept passports copy¶
Hawker - very few intern. - would make nonstop¶
96 G12 - prob went to Ireland¶
Planc load of people¶
ask secretary Id ask do you know how many pass. do you know names¶
find out pass. when on fright¶
dont recall if JE or Gm¶
we wouldnt ask¶
when see female/male¶
fly somewhere St Thomas¶
put +1 female¶
same person came back wed learn name¶
Ginislaine, who’s that sometimes she’d say¶
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1 pilot loading luggage¶
- learn names from suitcases
1 pilot on plane¶
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We know how many we have before took off
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during flight fill out manifests
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didnt leave someone off list
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accurate as possible
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I dont think left anyone off
possible 1st time name appeals was not 1st flight of that person¶
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if we go to NY to St. Thomas we don’t know name
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if flying back we’d have to know to go by customs
Records/Logbook date of flight¶
‘91 Apr then only put days below b4 put next month¶
aircraft ID - reg. #¶
Miles flown (duty time) certain¶
⇒ can only be #hes for commercial or charters¶
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26 July F1 no. → 1st flight on¶
Larry Visoski other pilot¶
F1 no.¶
no. of times plane flown¶
Simulator → flying simulators¶
when got Boeing started at 1 Gufstream #s stay same¶
Remarks, proc., etc.¶
I put passengers¶
NO LDG¶
1/1 takeoff landing¶
1 day¶
Airplane¶
aircraft cat. for FAA¶
theyre hRS¶
page total how many hrs¶
amt forward hrs¶
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Jan 2 1994¶
Hawker¶
$$WPB+OTEB$$¶
$$J \in 445$$¶
pass. JE, GM¶
pilot wl me Russ Kippes¶
if no name there then I know¶
it was Larry¶
Jan 8,1994¶
3 trips that day¶
PB1-06A SAV PB1¶
Jt, SB Sophie Biddle¶
think she was masseuse¶
had to be 30’s late 20’s¶
Jan 15, 94¶
3 flight+5¶
$$PB - Scbring FL FF Pierce PB$$¶
JE, SB, Claudia¶
Jan 18 94¶
donk know females¶
not or Claudia¶
Somebody don’t know¶
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priots flying wl me Jim $\frac{1}{3}$ Al¶
SSS - put full name JE blc new logbook¶
think was gf at time¶
Dawn yoga instructor¶
BCDEF test flights on new plane¶
A was Feb 2, 94¶
2 wk period I wasn’t flying¶
10 flights¶
PB to Chicago Midway¶
Chic. to Col. Ohio¶
Sophie Francis¶
Francis Jarding¶
Michigan¶
Aspen Michigan TVC¶
569 - PB official residence¶
dont know why went to Midway¶
Ohio - see Lex 1 think¶
Les has place in Aspen¶
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Interlochen¶
Michigan - music camp where musicians go mainly HS students I think think prof. there assist students Je go once yR¶
prob Aug.¶
summer camp¶
I remember asking what is Interlochen think original Paula Sherman told me it was camp¶
Larry 1 went checked it out¶
He had donated house /built lodge Zach Pearlman -think built for him¶
I think who lived in PB think she student there¶
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I don’t remember reading that in paper
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She flew w/ us later
dont know who would have told me¶
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I remember hearing the connection that they met her at Interlochen
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met think 2000 couple minus plus few yrs
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not sure how introduced to her She would been on flight
heard somewhere that NB was singer¶
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| 727 | PB Huntington, wv (HTS) |
| 818 | VNY - SAF (Santa Fe) |
| 821 | JE, Gm, AS, Eva, Glenn, Andy Stuart, Mandy |
| 831 | Dublin |
| 832 | Dublin to Waterford |
| 832 | Waterford to Paris |
| 832 | Paris to Geneva |
| 832 | Geneva to Shannon Ireland |
| 832 | Ireland to PB |
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Pamela Johana’off - dont know who is¶
May 22¶
PB-SAF¶
Je, Gm -> ranch in NM¶
91S G2B¶
Teb-PB¶
| came |
| after NB |
Jeff Schantz fam¶
only 2 remember Mtg.¶
916¶
916¶
Je , Sophie ½ friend¶
(don’t know if NB or not)¶
Russ pilot¶
933 Gwendolyn Beck , Robin Plant JE, GM¶
934 JE , GM , Trump , Mark Ep .¶
Eva , Guenn Didier chef¶
935 Florida JE, Natan Alan & Adam Dersh. Celina Middlefart¶
936 empty¶
fly down to watch space shuttle Je say fly that back return wl sesna I wasnt onreturn¶
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flew Golf back to PB¶
Larry flew back in Sesna 421¶
974 flew to London¶
$$J \in, am$$¶
GM is from London¶
I don’t know if had home there,¶
She may have¶
97S London to Geneva¶
Geneva to Paris¶
Paris to Canada fuel stop¶
canada to PB¶
979 Tcb to SAF¶
JE, GM, Nadia¶
$$ SAF + O V N Y J C $$¶
VNY to SAF JE, SB¶
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July 15, 97¶
sesna 421¶
flight S8¶
N908GM for maxwell¶
20r - rancn to SNF¶
to Aug 1¶
$$SAF \text{ to } 20r$$¶
10yr old Kristy Rodgers - my daughter lives in Florida now¶
PB to TVE blc Aug - always go Aug.¶
PB to Martha Vineyard Heather Mann - 30s¶
pg. 00076 994-999 could have been training or vacation¶
1006-1012 could been vacation¶
57-59 sesna - diff count system¶
1027 Nice France, London¶
1039¶
Jt, GM (GM assst.)¶
college student think friends w| Gwi just assume they had connection She from England¶
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1104 right below May 1 Besna 172 -diff plane kris rented kris friend of mine - we doing¶
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flew on plane few times¶
Boeing took N # Off Gulf put on Boeing¶
Aaam Perry lan ) Bk(Bano)¶
girl around few months late 20’s¶
Sk was am asst¶
ET gone, Sk took place¶
- aon+ remember her
white plains¶
Cindy Lopez - like Bano hung around for a while late 20’s remember name - don’t know role¶
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can’t pic who Joanne is¶
going to Africa pres. clinton, Steve (pilot), Kevin spacey doug asst. David¶
presl. doing AIDS research¶
-mid 20s¶
girls around¶
I don’t know what do¶
early 20’s¶
Dec S, 2002¶
Michael Leerman¶
could have been¶
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dont know job was¶
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I knew 1st name , dont know if Knew last name at time¶
BT- Brent Tindle was a chef¶
In Feb 2007 stop putting down passengers I was instructed /advised to stop¶
Someone w/in Epstein circle¶
discussion w/pilot¶
Gary Roxburg¶
convo / <¶
b4¶
other¶
convo¶
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he said no advantage to put down
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more disadvantages
lot of charter pilots fly au kinds of people, good, bad - even though pilot not doing bad but fly bad person how does look¶
prob combo of 2 convos nad me stop¶
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I think it’s better off to put down names but it’s accountability¶
at this point had turned over Logbook to FBI they had up to Aug’06¶
figured yea maybe better to not¶
Aug 2013 lawsuits coming¶
job change 2004¶
G2 more loud G4¶
FAA quiet flying procedure¶
JE did not like procedure¶
(most time we land at 10/ late night) it would wake people up¶
He told me didn’t want¶
coming back to PB quiet fly approach¶
next day je asks to come over¶
yesterday he saw me doing quiet approach when he¶
I told you not to do it ,you’re no longer chief pilot pay cut¶
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It felt like on thank God pay cut like $5000 amt. of work not worth it¶
got a huge chunk of life back didnt have to do as much work¶
Still employed, still salary NES LLC direct deposit every 2 wks¶
flew airplane GIA, to PB prob due demos b4/selling plane¶
2 flights since his arrest July 6¶
scheduled to be in Brunswick in Aug. for maintenance¶
took it down early so it didnt look like his plane was here to leave pending bail hearing¶
Rich Kann said be here thru end of yr¶
dont know if in will /Je never talk bout it¶
JE never talked wl me bout invest.¶
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didn’t talk wl Gim¶
bout it invest.¶
1st approached by detective¶
do you ever fly young girls I said yea all the time 20’s , maybe 19 he asked if flew 14 yo m:¶
had lawyer for deposition¶
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didnt have lawyer initially
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had lawyer when talk to FBI
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Epstein group said call this lawyer when FBI called
I contact Darren Indykc, who Epstein a lawyer¶
I’d say Darren as opposed to je for anything legal¶
Bruce lawyer from Ft Lauderdale¶
Indyke help wl buying/selling airplane¶
nobody said not to say something when talk to FBI or¶
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talked to her bout aviation she got pilot license¶
no real interaction¶
dont know now Lolita express originated¶
make me concern when I see press say Prince Andrew fly Lolita Express - I never say that¶
contacted Boies Scailer to get transcript I couldnt get it then reading thru why I said that I think it was transcribed incorrectly I’d like to see video of it¶
Always wrote out Prince Andrew’s name¶
Sometimes some people would have been introduced to me others say , ” Hi I’m … ”¶
R+ seat Im gonna see wl own eyes whose there LF seat Capt.¶
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people would get on board I’d be told how many people on board(1st officer would tell me)¶
no particular reason why I put female/ male vs. passenger¶
Gm on board Gm alert me¶
Gm in touch, even more so, than secretary¶
ones she was on board¶
not usually GM alert to flights not on¶
Sometimes get info from island mgk, ranch mgk - Je tell them , hey tell them¶
then a lot of times MGRS asking us when we’re leaving¶
when JE in jail ‘08¶
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‘09 I dont think we did anything wl JE
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reduced flying load $ salary
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maybe did one flight for another person
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I enjoyed the job - that’s why I stayed¶
- Je was very nice to fly for
never saw him get upset or yell at us¶
-I loved places we would go too¶
-My daughter in school in FL didnt want leave¶
once we got back flying normal salary was supposed to go back called Indyke he said¶
Economy 08/09 was bad¶
Aviation was down¶
werent a lot of jobs at that point¶
08 didnt receive a raise¶
he very generous wl raises¶
10% paycut for employees¶
later I get phone call my salary be reduced¶
to $50,000 $1,000 for each flight¶
10 yrs for no raise¶
job was easy knew if went somewhere else, could be away from home more¶
Rich called $1250 day last yR March¶
odds of working as long as I want were good while blc same age. Most corp. comp. cut off pilots at 65¶
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