Present for the interview was attorney. Also present for the interview was AUSA, AUSA, and Special Agent.¶
Message Pads – SA03008 - Message Pad dated 4/1/05 – 2x8 knew this to mean it referenced a teenage girl.¶
wrote this message. GHISLAINE MAXWELL was in the house and stated, “Oh, this is a funny message”. Either MAXWELL made rewrite it or MAXWELL rewrote it herself. The message meant that there was a potential teenage girl for EPSTEIN to meet.¶
| saw on Twitter that ALAN DERSHOWITZ stated that he was with his wife and kids when he was at EPSTEIN’s home. |
| met DERSHOWITZ and he was alone in the house with no wife and no kids when he received a massage. |
Message Pad – SAO01446 dated 2/28/05. This message referenced school. remembered taking this call. did not know the name, but knew the call was in reference to scheduling a massage.¶
would have used the initial “■” when initially her name back then.¶
was shown a series of copies of messages and asked about her recollection of each, all of which are attached in a 1A.¶
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On this page, “/” initials are written. advised those initials could have been ALFRED RODRIGUEZ. recalled that he had message books in his room when he left. and saw them; took them from the room.¶
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did not recognize the handwriting of these messages. does know "".¶
known to law enforcement as lived in New York and shared an apartment with did not know well. thought that had been volunteering building house in Costa Rica or something similar. In the New York residence, there was gift left from; it was a female picture of her bottom. abruptly left. had heard stories that she was throwing up, had an eating disorder, and she had lied. traveled to Puerto Rico because was pregnant and was helping met older sister known to law enforcement as on EPSTEIN’s island. thought was of age. did not have much interaction with recognized in the news recently.¶
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recognized the name “___”. EPSTEIN came downstairs with ___. thought was present. recalled telling a story of driving fast and being pulled over by the police and her dad had to get her.¶
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The upper left message, with the name on it, thought may have been written by . had “loopy” handwriting. In reference to the message with MARK EPSTEIN on it, at the time EPSTEIN had a disagreement with his brother about a hospital bill or something similar.¶
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| recognized the name“DARREN”，known to law enforcement as DARREN INDYKE，as one of EPSTEIN's attorneys in New York. | recognized the name“ | ”and stated that it could be | or a different | . | flew on EPSTEIN's plane from New York to Palm Beach.The other | had a neck injury. |
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did not recognize the names on these messages.¶
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talked about HENRY JARECKI as someone EPSTEIN thought of as a friend. heard that he had a girlfriend named “___”. saw a picture online of JARECKI with and .¶
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The messages are titled “Mr. Epstein”. The house staff was more formal. Everyone in personal life referred to EPSTEIN as “Jeffrey”.¶
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The message with “___” on it, ___ thought was in reference to ___.¶
___ remembered “___”. ___ did not remember if ___ had a girl with her or not. ___ originally thought the messages were written by ___ but on closer look did not think it was her because the number “7” in the messages was written in a very European way.¶
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Message pad with “Jeffrey E. Epstein” on it. EPSTEIN had these notepads with his name on them throughout all of his different residences. These notepads were kept stored in New York. MAXWELL had notepads with her name on them as well. There were also notepads with “Little St. James” or “Little St. Jeff” on them. The name ” ” on the notepad could have been a girl who massaged EPSTEIN. remembered wanting to speak to EPSTEIN about college.¶
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thought the writing of these messages could have been hers. would leave messages in the kitchen for him and/or the transitional pantry area.¶
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did not recognize the handwriting of these messages.¶
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recognized these messages as her handwriting. was either confirming the massage appointments or this was a to-do list on who to call.¶
did not recognize the handwriting, but did state that she felt it was someone with a European background due to the way the number 7 is written.¶
Both EPSTEIN and MAXWELL’s stationary was in different places throughout the houses. MAXWELL’s stationary was by a large desk that she used or was in an area near the computer.¶
When in New York preparing to travel to Palm Beach, would be the one who would primarily call to schedule massages. gave a list of things to do. EPSTEIN wanted to confirm the night before or the morning of a scheduled massage. EPSTEIN would be in front of the computer in Palm Beach or his island when he gave a list of things to do and people to call. Sometimes EPSTEIN would let sit on meetings and LESLEY GROFF would be there in New York.¶
was trained on how to make calls from . reported directly to gave a list on traveling to Palm Beach and pieces of paper to confirm massage appointments. kept papers in the desk she used but later they were gone. thought had gotten rid of them.¶
| recalled a girl named who EPSTEIN wanted to find help for her SAT. | tasked |
| for baby purchases for. | would call a person and ask about someone else to massage EPSTEIN. |
| thought she recalled asking this person about a specific name of someone | |
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else. did not remember ever asking if they knew other girls. was always told who to call or who to ask about.¶
remembered known to law enforcement as would come with other girls, and would stay in the kitchen or downstairs while the other girl would massage. remembered with other girls, but did not remember specifics.¶
did not remember specific examples but thought she saw payments. EPSTEIN grabbed cash and went upstairs during massage sessions. There were piles of $100 dollar bills. Money was put back in a duffle bag. In Palm Beach and on the island, the duffle bag was kept by EPSTEIN’s desk. In Palm Beach, the desk was in the living room near the bookshelf. EPSTEIN had a cabana desk.¶
was given $1000 in petty cash. had to type up a report to account for it. then gave this report to the accountant.¶
had a feeling that she had knowledge that both girls, the one who brought the girl and the one who gave the massage, were both paid. did not remember exactly though.¶
| recalled there was two girls named one in Palm Beach and one in Florida. The in Palm Beach stayed around more. and a girl named would often stay behind and chat. brought another friend, who thought was named. This friend was into photography and brought a flower picture. talked with DAVID COPPERFIELD once. would chat with EPSTEIN. and EPSTEIN would also be in the kitchen. was trying to get into college in using a SAT tutor. When was working in the New York office in MAXWELL's townhouse, was told to look into it getting a tutor. needed to buy books for or her friend and ship them.The books did not arrive in time and EPSTEIN became really upset with.When was on the island,there was a stationary computer she used and saw a quick glance of the Palm Beach social media. |
EPSTEIN gave books to . These books included “Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars”, “Stocks for Dummies”, and a book about a woman’s cycle and body. gave a book called “Story of Old”. recalled being in a BARNES AND NOBLE with EPSTEIN in New York and Palm Beach. could have picked books up when ordering.¶
In Palm Beach, when girls stayed and talked, they also received adjustments from a female chiropractor.¶
In New York, remembered a girl named known to law enforcement as who was a model with a good agency. showed shoes she received from EPSTEIN as a gift. would come and see EPSTEIN. thought was a young model around 17 years old. traveled to New Mexico and Palm Beach.¶
| recalled a time where LARRY SOMMERS was visiting at the time in EPSTEIN's New York house. There was a very long meeting with EPSTIEN in the upstairs living room. was helping serve drinks and food. recalled being in in EPSTEIN's New York house in the waiting room, which was to the left when entering the house, when came in. was dressed as though she had come from an event. told that she was looking for girls for EPSTEIN. also helped find a chef and said they found pornography or something similar. |
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recalled a time where PRINCE ANDREW had breakfast with EPSTEIN. There was a young ballerina dancer that curtsied when EPSTEIN introduced her to PRINCE ANDREW. thought this girl was introduced by , but was not sure.¶
had a sexual encounter with EPSTEIN and was going to the GYN and the GYN asked about sexual partners. In the car, told EPSTEIN and told that she had to disclose. said something like, “What about all of the girls that Jeffrey has”.¶
In New York, was always with EPSTEIN. New York was home base. Palm Beach was home base. had a studio apartment at Street. Pilots also stayed at this location and had an apartment at this location as well.¶
did not recall having meals together with EPSTEIN and others in Palm Beach. While on the island, things were more scheduled and meals were shared together. EPSTEIN would snack as opposed to sit down for meals. In New York, they ate out more and when it was around six or seven in the evening she would go home to her apartment. In Palm Beach, stayed in EPSTEIN’s house on the second floor. stayed above the garage towards the front of the street. Occasionally, stayed in this room too.¶
| took photographs of | cataloged all the photographs and kept them in MAXWELL's townhouse where they worked. There was a Mac computer with a large printer. had a laptop. had large binders to organize the photographs. There were a lot of nude photographs of women posing in each of his houses. thought that she had a camera because she remembered taking photographs of EPSTEIN's goddaughter and EPSTEIN playing chess. remembered she and taking photos at the pool, but did not remember who took the photos. did not remember taking nude photographs. |
met MAXWELL because EPSTEIN tasked to buy toiletries for guests staying at the location. came to learn that MAXWELL was EPSTEIN’s former girlfriend. MAXWELL bought furniture around the world for EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN delivered the news of MAXWELL’s father’s death. MAXWELL gave instruction to house managers. remembered seeing MAXWELL in Palm Beach and on the island, but saw her a lot more in New York. In Palm Beach, EPSTEIN had a large bedroom with two bathrooms. MAXWELL had her belongings in his houses and closets. MAXWELL told to do things and tasks. did not like MAXWELL and tried to avoid her. MAXWELL was not a nice person. MAXWELL always had the house manager in tears. thought the house manager was from the Philippines and had twins or young kids. worked for MAXWELL. was an assistant who worked at the house and worked out of the New York office. There was a setup of three desks at the office. seemed close with MAXWELL. EPSTEIN gifted with a fur coat that was kept at MAXWELL’s house. worked for EPSTEIN. worked for with EPSTEIN as her overall boss.¶
MAXWELL participated in threesomes when EPSTEIN was her boyfriend. recalled a time in New Mexico where she traveled to a spa and said, “Oh if you find a pretty girl, get her number and she can give a massage to EPSTEIN”. MAXWELL was a very strong person. recalled a time where she traveled to Florida and her phone was not working. called to connect her to MAXWELL. had to talk to about MAXWELL being upset because took up MAXWELL’s assistant’s time.¶
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In Palm Beach, called and scheduled massage appointments for EPSTEIN. This seemed like a regular activity. In New York, scheduled massage appointments; did not schedule in New York. EPSTEIN received massages twice a day everyday. would also have to schedule and confirm massage appointments. EPSTEIN would tell them that MAXWELL could get something if they could not because MAXWELL was persuasive.¶
came across as condescending to . EPSTEIN would tell how ungrateful she was in not saying thank you. EPSTEIN said something similar to when she received a haircut and did not say thank you to EPSTEIN. was told to tell to pack up and leave the apartment.¶
told EPSTEIN that she would never get an abortion and EPSTEIN asked what if the baby had Down Syndrome or she was raped. EPSTEIN liked to play mind games. On the island, was sick with a fever, when EPSTEIN came in the room and said, “Wake up lazy fuck”. On one of days off, EPSTEIN left her a message and he was very upset. EPSTEIN made her sit on the floor and do a pedicure. EPSTEIN obsessed about putting on his eye cream; if she missed a day he would get upset. There was a time on the island where EPSTEIN said that despite the guy being married, he was gay. EPSTEIN said this gentleman needed to spend more time with and . This man’s wife was DIANE VON FURSTENBERG. EPSTEIN called a Polish Nazi.¶
On the island and in New Mexico, along with one time in Palm Beach, would have to give a massage and it would lead to sexual contact with EPSTEIN. Another girl, also gave massages.¶
thought the trip there was a short flight on his Gulfstream. The bed was made. When there was nudity and a sexual encounter, EPSTEIN wanted to have sex and if said no, he stopped. Other times, was involved in the sexual encounters and initiated them. The sexual encounters were predominantly associated with massages. In mind she did not want to do it but went along with it. There was a very strange situation that happened on the plane when EPSTEIN grabbed by the neck and shook her hard. did not remember EPSTEIN being forceful with the sexual encounters. was 20/21 years old and stated that it was consensual. EPSTEIN sometimes told that she had massaging duty. was confused that this was part of her role. did not see give massages.¶
| EPSTEIN flew | parents in as a surprise. | was not happy with this because he had access to her parents. At a prior time, EPSTEIN and talked about her Polish background and EPSTEIN had said the last name of her grandmother. knew at this point he had done research on her family and background. |
A Department of State Agent flew on EPSTEIN’s plane and asked who all of the girls were. EPSTEIN told that she should ask about her immigration status. EPSTEIN also told her to talk to INDYKE, but INDYKE could not help.¶
EPSTEIN first told that she had massage duty when they were on his island together. could not recall how it progressed to sexual contact. felt the sexual encounter with was planned. initiated the contact with EPSTEIN and had approximately five encounters with the two of them together. EPSTEIN joked that was his gay girlfriend. There was one time where EPSTEIN was not present and initiated sexual contact.¶
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| gave | a massage. | also gave a massage to a girl who flew into the island. | |||||
| did not know this girl's name. | met this girl at St. Barts, where this girl was a sales associate. | This girl did not look underage to | flew this girl in. |
| recalled a time where | , the house manager, asked her to come downstairs. | EPSTEIN | |
| asked | to run him a bath. | was in the room topless. | touched |
| talked about a conversation with EPSTEIN in which he talked with her about keeping men happy. | took this as flirting or giving sexual favors. | did not respond. |
EPSTEIN introduced the DUBINS to . EPSTEIN introduced as his cousin to them and to other people. When looked up the word “cousin” in slang, it meant prostitute. was upset by this. She felt that EPSTEIN was propositioning her.¶
There was a time where they flew into Aspen and other girls went shopping. They gestured to and she thought they were talking about her.¶
ANDREW FARKAS introduced a Sultan from Dubai to EPSTEIN. was there on the phone with and EPSTEIN telling her what to say. lived in New York. EPSTEIN was telling her not to think about it too long. They were going to the hotel to meet up. This was in New York. They were all in the car with JOJO driving. thought that she had met and saw her in New York. described as Middle Eastern.¶
talked about a time when EPSTEIN, and with her dog, flew into Miami.¶
met them at a meeting point and was asked to entertain while EPSTEIN and went somewhere else. They were all standing in front of a building. EPSTEIN had helped with her Soho house in Miami Beach. EPSTEIN told that she could be a real estate agent. EPSTEIN had meet up with a developer/architect. old that she had to drive to meet someone in Palm Beach. EPSTEIN told that something would happen with her visa, but did not remember everything about this. thought something had happened to EPSTEIN’s detriment. gave the number of the person she was supposed to meet.¶
was rushing there. JANUSZ BASHNIEK and another gentleman, PAUL, were there. They were grabbing computers and notebooks. was to follow up with the gentleman on when to get the items back. They were to be given to someone named DETECTIVE and to be returned when he was done with them. gave the computers and notebooks to PAUL. JB found more books.¶
called PAUL or he was still there and she gave them to him. thought that the instruction came from because she gave the phone number. thought they¶
After this, asked to gather books on the island and to bring them back from the island. reminded to go in all the locations and huts. brought these items back from the island and to New York and gave them to . Sometimes when traveled to the island she went with EPSTEIN and other times she flew from Miami to Puerto Rico to the Virgin Islands. There was a driver that too her from the marina by boat. gave the books to in MAXWELL’s house. There was a printout of a more recent copy. had told to shred it in MAXWELL’s house. recalled having a feeling that it was all strange.¶
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recalled in EPSTEIN’s duffle bag he kept a tape recorder. saw it on and turned it off.¶
In the beginning of 2006, saw EPSTEIN reach for the tape recorder and slip it into his bathrobe.¶
The initial promise EPSTEIN made to was for her to work for him, learn things like stocks and the business world. Working for EPSTEIN was stressful for ; the verbal assaults grew and she never felt good working for him. told that she was resigning. did not take her seriously. At the time, EPSTEIN’s accountant resigned, and she told EPSTEIN that she had resigned too.¶
did not think EPSTEIN took her seriously either. received calls from then in 2006.¶
traveled to Paris with them, where met with a former boyfriend. then traveled to Poland. EPSTEIN asked her to go to Dubai but she did not go. EPSTEIN told her they did not need passports, which thought was strange.¶
recalled a Cuba trip where¶
kissed FIDEL CASTRO’s cheek.¶
was called in by INDYKE, who told her that if she ever needed help to contact him and never talk to the police. recalled feeling that something was off.¶
EPSTEIN had a tape recorder and recalled him asking if she ever beat someone up. EPSTEIN also said to her, “Oh you don’t enjoy fooling around with and me”.¶
recalled when EPSTEIN initiated the sexual encounters, telling her that this is what her job was all along. felt that once EPSTEIN flipped, she knew that she could not scream or say no.¶
| knew that EPSTEIN had a gun by the bed. | recalled feeling that she had no where to go because she was on the island. | knew EPSTEIN had guns. | EPSTEIN gave a gun once for safety purposes. | remembered the time where the gun was taken. |
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Juan Alessi¶
Before Alessi and his wife left JEFFREY EPSTEIN’s employment, they only saw two young girls, and . There were a couple times Alessi picked them up from school.¶
| recently spontaneously visited ALESSI and his wife the prior week at their home so could clarify things. had a female reporter with her. ALESSI thought they were doing a book and trying to help victims. ALESSI thought he recalled asking if he remembered her being at EPSTEIN's home. ALESSI told he did recall her being there. ALESSI knew that was young because he recalled picking her up from school. and the reporter wanted to do a video with ALESSI and he told them no.Many reporters have contacted ALESSI and offered him money, including Australia's 60 Minutes. ALESSI did not want to talk to any of them. |
ALESSI met at EPSTEIN’s home in Palm Beach. The first time was at EPSTEIN’s home, she came with her mother. ALESSI knew was young because he had picked her up from school; she attended the School of the Arts. As far as ALESSI knew, was not a massage therapist. and her mother went to EPSTEIN’s house a couple of times. mother was very interested in meeting EPSTEIN. ALESSI felt that mother sold to EPSTEIN. ALESSI described mother as possibly being Lebanese, with a foreign accent, dark hair, and not as tall as .¶
| went alone to EPSTEIN's home; sometimes ALESSI picked her up. ALESSI picked up from her home in Bear Lakes. EPSTEIN told ALESSI to get and bring her to his house. After ALESSI would walk in the house, would be with EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. went to the movies with EPSTEIN and GHISLAINE MAXWELL late at night. ALESSI never saw go upstairs behind locked doors, nor did he see her do "anything bad". ALESSI was not allowed in conversations between EPSTEIN, and MAXWELL. ALESSI stayed away from them, usually in the kitchen, while they were in another room. |
| gave massages; that is what she was hired to do. To the best of ALESSI's knowledge, did not give massages. EPSTEIN closed doors and shutters. After they all had gone to the movies, may have gone upstairs. ALESSI was not there that late. ALESSI was the one who always picked others up; his wife did not as she was responsible for running errands and also booked movie tickets. |
ALESSI knew that was an artist and a great singer. was a very pretty girl. EPSTEIN told that he was helping get her career going. One time, told ALESSI that EPSTEIN was helping her. Most of the time, MAXWELL told him to pick up . Most of the orders came from MAXWELL. ALESSI could not remember if he took to the airport. When guests arrived to the airport from international flights, ALESSI would drive girls and Prince Andrew. When going to the airport, ALESSI went first with the¶
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luggage while EPSTEIN, MAXWELL, and others went in a different car. ALESSI could not remember if flew with EPSTEIN but thought it was possible. ALESSI said the flight logs should show if was on EPSTEIN’s plane.¶
From EPSTEIN and MAXWELL’s office, MAXWELL would tell ALESSI to buy movie tickets and come back with them. ALESSI recalled a movie theater in Boca that was high class with couches that they frequented called something like Boynton Beach Cinema. If EPSTEIN was in town, he went to the theater almost every night. They went to the movies approximately three times a week. ALESSI or his wife would pick up the tickets. There was also another theater in West Palm Beach they frequented. When went to the movies with them, it was usually around 9pm/10pm. A lot of men and women, some EPSTEIN’s friends and some MAXWELL’s friends also went, including . There were so many girls, not young girls though. EPSTEIN never went alone with MAXWELL; there were always others around. EPSTEIN always traveled with people. was not there all the time but if she was, she would go with EPSTEIN, MAXWELL, and . Usually it was EPSTEIN, MAXWELL, and¶
but ALESSI thought maybe others went as well.¶
ALESSI never heard sing live, but he thought that lent him a tape.¶
sang opera and had a beautiful voice. ALESSI knew of father. Prior to working for EPSTEIN, ALESSI worked maintenance for approximately 30 homes. It was during this time ALESSI met father, and he was venting. ALESSI did not meet his family at the time.¶
ALESSI did not see naked or topless. ALESSI picked up at her school and at home. ALESSI never paid or money. ALESSI paid massage therapists $100 and had receipts that he would send to EPSTEIN’s office. ALESSI did not think that he had ever called . ALESSI rove three black Mercedes while employed by EPSTEIN. When ALESSI would pick up, she knew that he was picking her up. MAXWELL would tell ALESSI to pick her up, but he did not hear the conversations between MAXWELL and . The first time that and her mother came to the house, her mother drove them.¶
was too young to drive. When ALESSI picked up, she would always sit in the back. The house rules were that no one could sit next to ALESSI in the car; he was told this by EPSTEIN and MAXWELL. ALESSI was never supposed to start conversations, never ask questions, and not to talk to the other staff. In the end of working with EPSTEIN, ALESSI was not allowed to look EPSTEIN in the eyes. ALESSI hated it and left ESTEIN’s employment because they wanted him to leave.¶
ALESSI recalled that EVA ANDERSSON was wonderful to him. ANDERSSON was very pleasant. ALESSI recalled ANDERSSON being there for around five months, then MAXWELL came into the picture. When MAXWELL came in, everything changed. ANDERSSON married and ALESSI thought she had three children. EPSTEIN and ANDRESSON remained friends and ANDERSSON still visited EPSTEIN. EPSTEIN was pleasant before MAXWELL was around. EPSTEIN used to talk soccer with ALESSI, knowing ALESSI’s son was involved with soccer. When¶
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MAXWELL arrived, the younger girls came into the picture. When MAXWELL arrived, “everything went to hell”. ALESSI thought that ANDERSSON and MAXWELL had a friendship but were not close. ALESSI thought they may have hated each other.¶
ALESSI was asked if he recalled someone named and replied that he did not remember. ALESSI recalled meeting many British individuals, including and RUBY, whose last name she could not remember. RUBY was around all the time and was friends with MAXWELL and EPSTEIN.¶
ALESSI recalled seeing a black costume in MAXWELL’s closet along with all kinds of toys in a basket. ALESSI did not see other costumes or people in them.¶
mother brought food to the house. ALESSI recalled mother tell EPSTEIN something like, “Whatever you want to do with , she can come anytime”.¶
ALESSI did not see girls naked in the house. ALESSI recalled an English girl come into the kitchen topless and he told her to get a towel and then come back in.¶
ALESSI recalled seeing many different people at EPSTEIN’s home, including senators, PRINCE ANDREW, DONALD TRUMP, ROBERT KENNEDY, mathematicians, and many others.¶
ALESSI witnessed EPSTEIN kissing girls on the cheek and patting them on the buttocks. ALESSI saw EPSTEIN do this to .¶
| mother had a car; he did not pick | mother up. ALESSI could not recall if he picked | up from the ballet. |
ALESSI was relieved that EPSTEIN had died, saying EPSTEIN was a dangerous man.¶
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