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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK¶
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[ ]: And I never saw- all I saw was the kitchen and the- the, I saw the kitchen and then the, I guess, for lack of better words, the, uh, off the kitchen, like a, not a maid’s quarters, but I’d be asked to sit there and wait, ‘cause I wasn’t allowed in the rest of the house.¶
[ ]: Okay.¶
[ ]: So, I’m sorry, I’m looking mostly at .¶
[ ]: You’re fine.¶
[ ]: You’re okay.¶
[ ]: But the housekeepers were lovely and everybody was nice to me.¶
23 [ ]: Okay. So we’re lookin’ at the library off of the kitchen and maybe one time in the bedroom?¶
]: More- probably more- more than one time, it was dependent upon how she was feeling. So that was it. So, I would be escorted¶
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[ ]: Uh, I mean, they- they would talk to me about my work, to talk about, uh, she had a place in New York. Um, there was nothing- I know what you’re- I think I know what you’re leading up to, I don’t- I never witnessed- I can just jump in, I never witnessed any of the things that Jeffrey is being accused of.¶
[ ] - 15:15]: Sure.¶
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[ ]: Either to work with her or with Jeff or with Ghislaine.¶
] Oh, no. I know he had, um, people who fl- who he flew to wherever- either one of his homes, so I knew that, like a massage therapist or a cook, or- and all I ever heard was little things, like, I don’t know if I heard that from or Ghislaine, but that every time they would have a guest, that they would, um, you had to do everything specifically, like, if they were at the dinner table, you would- they had to be served a certain way from a certain- like, “come to the left,” or, I can’t remember who told me that but I was sorta fascinated, it had to be that exact. And I’ll sh- I’ll also share that, um, this is probably significant, that they, um, at- wanted me to- this is sort of when I stopped working for them, but they wanted me to sign a contract that anything I saw- so, that’s good for you, right?¶
1: Yeah.¶
[ ]: Um, anything I saw that I- and that was towards the end ‘cause I was getting burnt out because I would go late at night after working on stuff, I mean, treating- uh, counseling people here.¶
[ ]: -late at night. So, but they s- wanted me to sign a contract saying, like, a celebrity contract, like, “if you know anybody-if you see anything going on here you have to keep it private.” And I refused to sign it.¶
[ ]: That’s what I’m trying to remember. It wasn’t, uh, Ghislaine, it might’ve been the housekeeper. One of the housekeepers, I wish I could remember, , who it was.¶
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[ ]: But it was something that was kind of floating around, like, it’s about to happen where you need to, like, there’s gonna be a contract and- what sits- remains in my mind, whether it’s true or not, is if I did violate that contract, I’d be sued for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And I was like, uh, “no way. I’m-”¶
[ ]: “- not doing that. I’m coming innocently giving you a treatment, I’m not getting involved- I don’t even know what goes on, I don’t have any idea, but I’m whatever-” ‘cause they would say- and then I was- it was kind of inferred that there could be celebrities there. And to respect their privacv.¶
[ ]: And obviously everything that’s coming up in the news now, the people who could have been there.¶
]: - is- I don’t want to cry right now, but the stuff that I’m hearing-¶
[ ]: Oh no, it’s okay, but I just- I saw something, I think- on the other day of a woman who said he raped her and, um, it make- it was- made me feel sick that that was going on. ‘Cause that was never anything that I wit- like, I even sensed, being in their home. Just that they were big- all I- all I could say is, all- from my sort of innocent place is that, I knew I- I’m in the¶
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[ ]: The only thing that happened that I did not appreciate is that he came down in his bathrobe and so- and he was not dressed underneath it and so, it- it seemed that- I mean, he didn’t expose himself to me in any way or I would have left the house.¶
]: Sure.¶
[ ]: And I would have said something, but it was just, uh- you could tell that he was, sort of- he was there, loving the treatment, and then the massage therapist that he wanted me to train was there but then the bathrobe would be there and you can tell that, like, even if something started to open up in the bathrobe, I never saw his body literally, but it was- he wasn’t being mindful about covering himself.¶
[ ]: So, I never- I never- he was never, ever inappropriate with me.¶
He was very respectful to me, was fascinated about my work, he wanted to know about my work, my training, and he was like, “can you train,” you know, “can you help,” and I said, “I can help in an- like, have her watch me, but it took me a long time to learn what I’m doing but I can help her.”¶
[ ]: Yeah.¶
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[ ]: And so, maybe they were saying, like, get- like that woman on the TV who said he would get- she would get paid three hundred dollars and prom- be promised to become a model.¶
14 [ ]: Okay. And you said you think- you think Ghislaine had her own, uh, pilot’s license?¶
15 | [□]: Helicopter license- I think so.¶
[ ]: Helicopter license. See, look, now I’m out of paper. [U/I]¶
[ ]: And it always seemed that she was the, um, like she managed his world in the sense of their home, so she would go to Zorro Ranch but I don’t- but he- but then she would manage the staff, and that’s what I would hear, like, that they would train- that she had a s- again, I don’t remember if it was from Ghislaine, it could’ve been, but that they- she’d be there to be- do trainings, and to also be at Zorro ranch but she would be there to, like, train if there were new staff and whoever- whoever they were entertaining, let’s say it was a celebrity or, uh, I don’t know, I’m just naming names, like, Trump or Clinton or-¶
[ ]: Sure.¶
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[ ]: Never.¶
[ ]: Did they know that you did that?¶
[ ]: Yes, that’s why she asked about was- she wanted to hear stories.¶
Yeah.¶
[ ]: Oh, yeah, I guess so.¶
[ ]: Yeah. And again, I want to say on the record that I would never violate confidentiality for my clients. She just wanted to know, like, “what kind of work- what kind of things couple- what coup- issues do couples have? Or what- individuals, what kind of work do you do? And tell me something, a story,” or she always wanted to hear, like, a- an interesting story and sometimes I’d say, “I don’t have one,” or that I would never say names or infer, anyway.¶
[ ]: Sure. Was there anything particular that she was interested in?¶
So, uh, some people, so, like, in our line of work, typically what they- what people ask you is, “what’s the worst thing you’ve ever seen,” right?¶
[ ]: Yeah.¶
[ ]: Or, things like that. Was- was there any sort of, like, specific thing that she wanted- that- that type of story that she was looking for?¶
[ ]: It was more like, uh, just more of a fascination about counseling, more like, “how can you do that,” as, like, how, like, “how can you work with couples,” or, “that must be hard,” or, “tell me, like, what’s the most difficult situation that- you might’ve had,” or, you know, they- she just wanted to know something interesting, like, “what’s- what’s the typical conflict that couples have” or-¶
[ ]: - “an individual have,” but she wouldn’t be specific, like, “have¶
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]: - obviously.¶
[UM1]: Before I have to view the picture that I have to make sure there’s no identifiers associated with it.¶
[ ]: So, my client said, “not at all, not a problem. I just picked up my son.” Okay.¶
[ ]: Okay. And thank you, again, so much for doing that, you don’t have to.¶
[ ]: So, I’ll have ‘til five of.¶
[ ]: Okay. That should put us right on time. Give you a little bit of a break before you have to start with your client.¶
Woah.¶
[ ]: What did you say ? I mean, about the-¶
[UM1]: I- I have to view the picture to make sure that there is no i-¶
[ ]: Oh, I get it. Can you cover it with your finger?¶
[UM1]: There’s- there’s a little issue here. I just wanna-¶
[ ]: And there’s something I’m remember- I, again, don’t quote me because I don’t remember that well, ‘cause I kind of went in my way and just did my work and left, but I- there might have been two sets of housekeepers, for some reason that’s coming up for me now, I don’t know-¶
[ ]: - if one of them had to leave and go back somewhere, wherever they lived. Like, if they were in another state or another- from another- I don’t think they were from another country, but, then- but they were- so, but I definitely- they were lovely people.¶
[ ]: They’re obviously holding a lot of, you know, in- information in their… [U/I].¶
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[ ]: [U/I] good for them.¶
[ ]: [U/I] for everybody involved.¶
[ ]: Yeah. No, that’s just not a good-that’s just not a good situation, period. And it’s unfortunate.¶
[UM1]: So, I’m just gonna [U/I]¶
[ ]: Yeah, take your time.¶
[UM1]: [U/I] right there.¶
[ ]: So, am I [U/I] have. Yeah, I think that- I think that was her.¶
One of the housekeepers- I- at this point, I won’t swear my life, to-¶
[UM1]: Based on- based on your description of how you interacted and how she presented herself to you, that is my guess. And tell me if the…¶
[ ]: I think that, yeah. Was that what you’re saying, based on my interaction with her, do I think that that was one of the housekeepers?¶
[UM1]: I’m just asking you if that’s who you interacted with.¶
[ ]: I think so, yes. That’s- she looked- but she had a husband, too,¶
I think.¶
[UM1]: Do you- did you see both of them?¶
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