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Q Okay. At what point did he reach out to try to touch you?¶
A While he just before he started to rub his nipples he goes I’m going to touch you the way that I like to be touched and I was like I don’t feel comfortable that way. I’m fine. I’ll continue to give you a massage but I don’t want — I’m very uncomfortable. Because before she told me if I felt uncomfortable just tell him and he’d back off. So I told him that I was uncomfortable like after he started to touch me and he kept after that.¶
Q Okay. He touched your buttocks?¶
A Yes.¶
Q Did he ?¶
A I would not let him. No.¶
Q Okay. And you mentioned your breast area.¶
A Right.¶
Q Did he try to touch your buttocks under the shorts or —¶
A At first it was just outside my pants and then he tried to — I had a belt on with my jeans so he tried to go like inside from behind but he could not and I was like I’m not comfortable.¶
Q Okay. He put his hands under your shirt?¶
A Correct.¶
Q Okay. And you had a bra on, correct?¶
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A Yeah, just to bring a girl.¶
- Q And the girl that was going knew that she would have to massage him?
A She knew everything. She knew everything.¶
Because that was one of Jeffrey’s rules. He had a problem with girls coming to the house that didn’t know what they were getting into. He would tell me, you know, make sure these girls know what I expect. Make sure they know what they want. Because when they get in that room I don’t want — they need to know.¶
As far as case, she knew everything she was getting herself into. It was all volunteered.¶
Q Okay. What did you tell her that she was going to do?¶
A I told her the same thing. I told her I — you know, this guy Jeffrey — she came to me saying she needed money, da da da da da. I basically told her about it. She was like, you know, what do you have to do. I told her, I was like, you know, the more you do the more you make.¶
That’s it. You’re going to have to take — you’re going — in order to make money you’re going to have to go up there, you’re going to take your clothes off. But the more you do is the more you make. She walked out of there with $300 so she obviously and evidently let him do a little more. Plus on her way home she kind of told me what she did.¶
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A calls us when she gets in town. calls us to let us know when he’s available.¶
Q Oh, okay.¶
A I’ve called him maybe once or twice to see if he was in town when I used to work for him but primarily would call us to let us know when he’s in and when he wants people to work for him.¶
Q So she would call you and say okay, he’s coming in Friday?¶
A Friday at 7 he wants someone to work for him.¶
Saturday around 12.¶
Q Okay. Let’s talk about for a minute. Okay?¶
A Okay.¶
Q at the time was dating your cousin, right?¶
A Uh-huh.¶
Q Okay. She told you she needed to make money. She knew — did she know you worked for Jeffrey?¶
A I told her.¶
Q You had told her you worked for Jeffrey?¶
A Uh-huh.¶
Q And did you tell her what it entailed?¶
A (Nods head yes.)¶
Q Okay. So she knew that?¶
A She knew everything before she even agreed to it.¶
Q So she knew there was going to have to be some¶
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1 kind of —¶
A Contact. Pretty much, yeah! I told her. I told he exactly what his expectations were. I told her what goes on with the girls that go up there. I told her like it’s your call. I was like if you want to do this, fine. If not, fine. But when you go in that room I don’t want to hear you say oh, I didn’t know he was going to do all that because I’m telling you now what he’s expecting.¶
Q And basically it’s touching?¶
A Fondling.¶
Q Fondling?¶
A Looking, whatever. And I told her just remember the more you do, the more you make. But that’s up to you. She asked me and I flat out told her I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t do more.¶
Q Okay. Yeah. You made that clear that you wouldn’t do more.¶
A No. Screw that.¶
Q But as far as is concerned —¶
A Yeah.¶
Q — what did she tell you that happened in that room?¶
A Exact words? If I can recall when she came downstairs, when she came downstairs me and her and I believe it was I was with, we all walked out. We got¶
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A What do you mean?¶
Q Like if they, they wanted to work, how did you approach them? Say listen, I got this guy in Palm Beach?¶
A For the most part because like I said, two were my friends. The others were like my acquaintances. It was a little more easier talking to them about it because I knew them.¶
Q Just take a deep breath. Take a deep breath because I can see you working up again. You’re working up the tears. I can see it. I don’t want to get you like that.¶
Q Straight up?¶
A I pretty much would just ask them.¶
A If you’re looking for extra money let me know. This guy down in Palm Beach, he’s really, really, really wealthy. You have to give him a massage. That’s all I would tell them. Then if they were interested or told me, yes, I want to do it, I would go in detail with them before they would actually agree. If they told me, oh, that sounds good, I’m interested, then I would tell them okay, I want to let you know this is what you have to do. This is what is going to go on.¶
Q Did you tell them that you were going to make money for bringing them over?¶
A Most part I believe they knew. knew.¶
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you’re breaking me off more. And they did. And after that Jeffrey said he didn’t want her working after she started agruing. That’s the only problem that I can think of.¶
DETECTIVE : So when you — to be specific, when you took somebody, they knew they would have to get haked, they would have to massage him.¶
THE WITNESS. They knew what they were getting into prior to showing up. That was Jeffrey’s rule. Tell them what they’re getting into because I don’t want an —¶
DETECTIVE : And is now, is 17. When do you think you took her there? In order of events, when do you think you took there?¶
THE WITNESS: She was 16 when I took her there. It was her — I took her probably like 8 months ago. It’s been a while. It’s been a while. I don’t know the exact dates because, like I said, I haven’t contacted him in a while. But it was a while ago.¶