Second Circuit appendix in United States v. a public figure tax appeal, vol. XVI

EXHIBIT 3¶

13-1388-cr¶

IN THE¶

United States Court of Appeals FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT¶

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,¶

—against—¶

Appellee,¶

PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ERWIN MAYER, DONNA GUERIN, DENIS FIELD, ROBERT GREISMAN, RAYMOND CRAIG BRUBAKER, BDO USA, LLP,¶

Defendants,¶

DAVID PARSE,¶

Defendant-Appellant.¶

ON APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK¶

APPENDIX VOLUME XVI OF XVII (Pages A-5633 to A-6085)¶

UNITED STATES ATTORNEY’S OFFICE FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK One St. Andrew’s Plaza New York, New York 10007 (212) 637-2346¶

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TAX DIVISION, APPELLATE SECTION P.O. Box 502 Washington, DC 20044 (202) 514-8030¶

Attorneys for Appellee United States of America¶

SHAPIRO, ARATO & ISSERLES LLP 500 Fifth Avenue, 40th Floor New York, New York 10110 (212) 257-4880¶

Attorneys for Defendant-Appellant David Parse¶

TABLE OF CONTENTS¶

| ------------------------------------------------- | ------- | | Docket Entries | A- I | | Indictment—Redacted S3 | A-84 | | November 2, 2010, attaching bill of particulars | A-157 | | Transcript—Conference, December 8, 2010 | A-166 | | Transcript—Conference, February 9, 2011 | A-I82 | | Transcript—Conference, February 28, 2011 | A-207 | | Transcript—Jury Selection, Day 1, March 1, 2011 | A-222 | | Transcript—Jury Selection, Day 2, March 2, 2011 | A-290 | | Transcript—Jury Selection, Day 3, March 3, 2011 | A-338 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 1, March 3, 2011 | A-345 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 2, March 4, 2011 | A-378 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 3, March 7, 2011 | A-404 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 4, March 8, 2011 | A-462 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 5, March 9, 2011 | A-525 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 6, March 10, 2011 | A-587 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 7, March 11, 2011 | A-642 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 8, March 14, 2011 | A-677 |¶

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Transcript—Trial, Day 9, March 15, 2011	A-730
Transcript—Trial, Day 10, March 16, 201 1	A-788
Transcript—Trial, Day 11, March 17, 201 1	A-851
Transcript—Trial, Day 12, March 18, 201 1	A-913
Transcript—Trial, Day 13, March 21, 201 1	A-949
Transcript—Trial, Day 14, March 23, 201 1	A-958
Transcript—Trial, Day 15, March 24, 2011	A-1020
Transcript—Trial, Day 16, March 25, 2011	A-1089
Transcript—Trial, Day 17, March 28, 201 1	A-1139
Transcript—Trial, Day 18, March 29, 201 1	A-1204
Transcript—Trial, Day 19, March 31, 201 1	A-1274
Transcript—Trial, Day 20, April 1, 2011	A-1342
Transcript—Trial, Day 21, April 4, 2011	A-1383
Transcript—Trial, Day 22, April 5, 2011	A-1449
Transcript—Trial, Day 23, April 11, 2011	A-I514
Transcript—Trial, Day 24, April 12, 2011	A-1580
Transcript—Trial, Day 25, April 13, 2011	A-1645
Transcript—Trial, Day 26, April 14, 2011	A-1724
Transcript—Trial, Day 27, April 15, 2011	A-1786

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| ------------------------------------------ | -------- | | Transcript—Trial, Day 28, April 26, 2011 | A-1826 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 29, April 27, 2011 | A-1897 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 30, April 28, 2011 | A-1962 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 31, April 29, 2011 | A-2022 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 32, May 2, 2011 | A-2060 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 33, May 3, 2011 | A-2128 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 34, May 4, 2011 | A-2200 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 35, May 5, 2011 | A-2288 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 36, May 6, 2011 | A-2356 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 37, May 9, 2011 | A-2389 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 38, May 10, 2011 | A-2445 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 39, May 11, 2011 | A-2499 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 40, May 12, 2011 | A-2566 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 41, May 13, 2011 | A-2594 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 42, May 16, 2011 | A-2598 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 43, May 17, 2011 | A-2610 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 44, May 18, 2011 | A-2616 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 45, May 19, 2011 | A-2625 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 46, May 20, 2011 | A-2632 |¶

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| ---------------------------------------------------------------- | -------- | | Transcript—Trial, Day 47, May 23, 2011 | A-2637 | | Transcript—Trial, Day 48, May 25, 2011 | A-2644 | | Requests To Charge Of The United States, May 2, 2011 | A-2652 | | Letter from Stanley J. Okula, Jr. to Judge Pauley, May 3, 2011 | A-2734 | | Letter from Laurie Edelstein to Judge Pauley, May 4, 2011 | A-2742 | | Letter from Laurie Edelstein to Judge Pauley, May 5, 2011 | A-2746 | | jury charge | A-2814 | | Letter from Laurie Edelstein to Judge Pauley, May 8, 2011 | A-2882 | | Court Exhibit 3—Note from Catherine Conrad, May 10, 2011 | A-2955 | | To Rule 29, June 7, 2011 | A-3021 |¶

Government’s Trial Exhibits¶

GX12-60 Deutsche Bank Alex.	Confirmation A-3027
August 29, 2002	A-3035
GX24-16 Deutsche Bank Alex.	Client Statement A-3076
December 24, 2001	A-3083
December 28, 2001	A-3085
GX37-4 Documents Relating To C.R. Gibb	A-3360

GX43-1 Letter from Paul M. Daugerdas to Michael Hammer, August 28, 2002 A-3486¶

GX54-1 Letter from Donna Guerin to David K. Parse, January 24, 2001 A-3594¶

GX73-5 Documents Relating To Oxford Bloomfield Investors, Inc. A-3875¶

GX82-2a Letter from Donna Guerin to Michael Toporek, February 18, 2002 A-3984¶

GX82-20 Deutsche Bank Alex. Client Statement A-4149¶

GX82-21 Deutsche Bank Alex. Client Statement A-4159¶

GX201-3a Letter from Michael Toporek to David Parse, December 28, 2001 A-4168¶

GX201-39a Letter from Michael Toporek to David Parse, December 28, 2001 A-4325¶

GX201-253 Fax from John Beery to Michael Hammer, December 4, 2001 A-4327¶

GX300-28a Email from Robert Greisman to Charles Bee and others, November 6, 2001 A-4446¶

GX300-40 Email from Lisa Hurley to Nicole Bencik, February 26, 2001 A-4449¶

GX400-23 Email from Carrie Yackee to Sheila D. Denzler, April 4, 2002 A-4450¶

GX400-24 Email from Carrie Yackee to Sheila D. Denzler, February 9, 2001 A-4457¶

GX400-29 Email from Carrie Yackee to Heather Loeser, February 11, 2002 A-4461¶

GX400-43 Email from Carrie Yackee to Dawn Forbes, December 21, 1999 A-4463 vi¶

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GX400-50 Email from Carrie Yackee to Sheila D. Denzler, February 11, 2002 A-4464¶

GX400-195 Email from R. Craig Brubaker to Todd Clendening, November 15, 2000 A-4473¶

GX400-260 Email from R. Craig Brubaker to emayer@jenkens.com, October 18, 1999 A-4475¶

GX401-9 Deutsche Bank Alex. Client Statement A-4492¶

GX401-10 Fax from Carrie Yackee to Judy Gagnon, April 25, 2002 A-4496¶

GX401-44 Letter from Matt Coleman to David Parse A-4499¶

GX401-47a Letter from Daniel Aronoff to David Parse, December 19, 2000 A-4500¶

GX401-48 Deutsche Bank Alex. Client Statement A-4503¶

GX401-74 Deutsche Bank Alex. Client Statement A-4508¶

GX401-97 Fax from Carrie Yackee to Nicole Bencik, March 13, 2001 A-4513¶

GX401-98 Letter from Daniel Aronoff to David Parse, December 19, 2000 A-4544¶

GX401-99 Letter from Daniel Aronoff to David Parse, December 19, 2000 A-4545¶

GX401-100 Letter from Daniel Aronoff to David Parse, December 19, 2000 A-4546¶

GX401-101 Change Form A-4547¶

GX700-19 Fax from Judi Gagnon to John Beary, April 29, 2002 A-4549¶

GX1000-52 IRS Certificate Of Official Record, March 11, 2009 A-4565¶

GX1001-209 Fax from John V. Ivsan to John Beery, April 6, 2001 A-4756 vii¶

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GX1002-64 Fax from Lisa Hurley to James D. Beumel, May 16, 2003 A-4777¶

GX1002-122 Letter from Lisa Hurley to James D. Beumel, March 3, 2003 A-4810¶

GX1002-124 IRS Form 4564 for Larry H. and Nancy C. Moore . A-4816¶

Defendants’ Trial Exhibits¶

DX2I69 Letter from Erwin Mayer to R. Craig Brubaker, December 16, 1998 A-4852¶

DX2635a Letter from Erwin Mayer to Bob Price, December 17, 1998 A-4886¶

DX2667 Email from r.craig.brubaker@db.com to emayer@jenkens.com, November 5, 1999 A-4887¶

DX2703 Memorandum from Michael L. and Bryan W. Lee to Board of Directors, Roger Hayse, November 16, 2000 A-4891¶

DX3278 Confidential J&G Notes A-4892¶

DX3396 Email from R. Craig Brubaker to Crawford, October 27, 1999 A-4894¶

DX5577 Change Form A-4913¶

Letter from Stanley J. Okula, Jr. to Judge Pauley, June 22, 2011 A-4936¶

Memorandum Of Law In Support Of Defendants’ Motion For A New Trial Or, In The Alternative, For An Evidentiary Hearing Concerning Juror No. 1, July 8, 2011 A-4941¶

Declaration Of Theresa Trzaskoma In Support Of Defendants’ Motion For A New Trial Or, In The Alternative, For An Evidentiary Hearing, Concerning Juror No. 1, redacted version, July 8, 2011 . A-4979¶

Exhibit 1 to Trzaskoma Declaration— Page 6 from the Jury Department’s Panel Selection Report A-4984¶

Exhibit 2 to Trzaskoma Declaration—
Juror Questionnaire Exhibit 3 to Trzaskoma Declaration—	A-4986
May 25, 2011 Exhibit 4 to Trzaskoma Declaration—	A-4989
as of June 24, 2011 Exhibit 5 to Trzaskoma Declaration—	A-4994
In the Matter of Catherine M. Conrad,	48 A.D.3d 187
(1st Dep’t Dec. 18, 2007) Exhibit 6 to Trzaskoma Declaration—	A-4996
In the Matter of Catherine M. Conrad,	80 A.D.3d 187
(1st Dep’t Dec. 9, 2010) Exhibit 7 to Trzaskoma Declaration—	A-4999
Deed for 16 Parkview Drive, Eastchester, New York Exhibit 8 to Trzaskoma Declaration—	A-5003
Bronxville, New York Exhibit 9 to Trzaskoma Declaration—	A-5006
Nevada Marria e License for	Rosa and
Catherine Conrad, June 20, 2007 Exhibit 10 to Trzaskoma Declaration—	A-5021
Nevada Marria e Certificate for	Rosa and
Catherine Conrad, June 20, 2007 Exhibit 11 to Trzaskoma Declaration—	A-5023
Catherine Conrad Exhibit 12 to Trzaskoma Declaration—	A-5026
City of New York, County of Bronx, People v.	Catherine
Conrad, August 21, 1998	A-5031

Exhibit 13 to Trzaskoma Declaration— Certificate of Disposition from the Criminal Court of the City of New York, County of Bronx, People v. Catherine Conrad, May 17, 1998. … A-5033¶

Exhibit 14 to Trzaskoma Declaration— Winslow, Arizona Police Department records for Catherine Conrad … A-5035¶

Exhibit 15 to Trzaskoma Declaration— Records from the Criminal Court of the City of Yonkers related to May 6, 2009 arrest of Catherine Rosa, Docket No. 09-2763… A-5057¶

Exhibit 16 to Trzaskoma Declaration— Records from the Criminal Court of the City of New Rochelle for the May 6, 2009 arrest of Catherine Rosa … A-5061¶

Exhibit 17 to Trzaskoma Declaration— Records from New Jersey and Westlaw relating to [REDACTED] Rosa … A-5076¶

Exhibit 18 to Trzaskoma Declaration— State of New Jersey Department of Corrections information sheet for [REDACTED] J. Rosa … A-5124¶

Exhibit 19 to Trzaskoma Declaration— Criminal records from Nassau County, New York for [REDACTED] Rosa A-5127¶

Exhibit 20 to Trzaskoma Declaration— Summons and Verified Complaint, Conrad v. Manessis, et al., Index No. 27056-03 (N.Y. Sup. Ct., Bronx County), November 10, 2003 … A-5183¶

Exhibit 21 to Trzaskoma Declaration— Note of Issue, Conrad v. Manessis, March 7, 2009. … A-5192¶

Exhibit 22 to Trzaskoma Declaration— Order with Notice Of Entry, Conrad v. Manessis, December 5, 2008 … A-5198¶

Exhibit 23 to Trzaskoma Declaration— Affidavit of Catherine Conrad, Conrad v. Manessis, January 19, 2009 … A-5205¶

Exhibit 24 to Trzaskoma Declaration—¶

Order, Conrad v. Manessis, February 5, 2009 A-5212¶

Exhibit 25 to Trzaskoma Declaration—¶

Affirmation of Victor M. Serby in Opposition to Defendants’¶

Motion to Dismiss the Complaint, Conrad v. Manessis,¶

June 4, 2010 A-5215¶

Exhibit 26 to Trzaskoma Declaration—¶

Judgment, Verdict Sheet and Exhibit List, Conrad v. Manessis A-5257¶

Exhibit 27 to Trzaskoma Declaration—¶

Excerpts of the trial testimony of Catherine Conrad,¶

Conrad v. Manessis A-5267¶

Exhibit 28 to Trzaskoma Declaration—¶

Order, Conrad v. Manessis, March 24, 2011 A-5315¶

Exhibit 29 to Trzaskoma Declaration—¶

Federal Election Commission contribution records for¶

Robert J. Conrad at 16 Parkview Drive, Bronxville, NY 10708… A-5392¶

Transcript—Conference regarding motion for new trial (unsealed),¶

July 15, 2011 A-5399¶

Letter from Susan E. Brune to Judge Pauley, July 21, 2011¶

attaching Westlaw Report A-5416¶

Affidavit of Paul H. Schoeman, Esq., dated August 17, 2011 A-5438¶

Affidavit of Susan E. Brune, dated September 15, 2011 A-5441¶

Exhibit A to Brune Affidavit—¶

Juror Questionnaire A-5446¶

Exhibit B to Brune Affidavit—¶

Email from Randy to Viviann Stapp, February 25, 2011 A-5449¶

Exhibit C to Brune Affidavit—¶

Juror Snapshot A-5451¶

Exhibit D to Brune Affidavit— Email from Viviann Stapp to Randy M, March 1, 2011 A-5466¶

Exhibit E to Brune Affidavit— Jury Selection Materials A-5475¶

Exhibit F to Brune Affidavit— Jury Selection Materials A-5479¶

Exhibit G to Brune Affidavit— Jury Selection Materials A-5481¶

Exhibit H to Brune Affidavit— Jury Selection Materials A-5489¶

Exhibit Ito Brune Affidavit— Email from Suann Ingle to Kendra Melrose, May 11, 2011 A-5494¶

Exhibit I to Brune Affidavit— Internal Brune & Richard emails A-5496¶

Exhibit K to Brune Affidavit— Memorandum from DB to Parse File, May 17, 2011 A-5559¶

Supplemental Memorandum Of Law Of United States In Opposition To Defendants’ Motion For A New Trial Pursuant To Rule 33 Of The Federal Rules Of Criminal Procedure, October 7, 2011 A-5563¶

Exhibit 1— Affidavit of Daniel Nardello, September 28, 2011 A-5593¶

Transcript—Telephone Conference, August 8, 2011 A-5595¶

Transcript—New Trial Hearing, Day 1, February 15, 2012 A-5608¶

Transcript—New Trial Hearing, Day 2, February 16, 2012 A-5699¶

Hearing Exhibit 20—/n re Conrad, 80 A.D.3d 168 (1st Dep’t 2010) A-5840¶

Declaration of Steven Gillers, April 6, 2012 A-5843¶

Exhibit A to Gillers Declaration—
Curriculum Vitae of Stephen Gillers	A-5852
Affidavit of David Parse, August 3, 2012	A-5872
Transcript—Oral Argument, October 12, 2012	A-5903
Letter from Paul Shechtman to Judge Pauley, March 7, 2013 March 15, 2013—	A-5930
Jenkens and Gilchrist Clients—Restitution Calculation	A-6041
Defendant David Parse, March 18, 2013	A-6074
Letter from Paul Schechtman to Judge Pauley, March 18, 2013	A-6 I 15
March 20, 2013	A-6125
Transcript—Sentencing of David Parse, March 22, 2013	A-6134
Letter from Paul Schechtman to Judge Pauley, March 22, 2013	A-6161
Notice Of Appeal, March 29, 2013	A-6163
Judgment, April 12, 2013	A-6168

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1	A. No. I actually thought that the more likely explanation		1	together. And we were benefited greatly by the fact that Ms.
2	was that the Westlaw report was conflating two people, two		2	Conrad had included her phone number at the top of her letter
3	people named Catherine Conrad, one who was our juror and one		3	to Mr. Okula.
4	who was the suspended lawyer.		4	Q. You are conflating two issues. My question is about the
5	Q. During your conversation with Ms. Edelstein and Ms. Brune		5	civil lawsuit. You had a chance to review those documents
6	or at any point afterwards, did anyone discourage you from		6	after the trial, right?
7	pursuing any additional information about Catherine Conrad or		7	A. I did.
8	the Westlaw report that had been sent to you?		8	Q. You know that in Ms. Conrad’s testimony in that suit she
9	A. No. I believe, as I told you earlier, at the conclusion of		9	says she has a law degree, right?
10	my discussion with Ms. Edelstein and Ms. Brune I said something		10	A. I did. But it took me days to pull all that together and
11	along the lines of, do we need to do anything further, and Ms.		11	to find that in the files.
12	Brune said, no, just leave it. Based on that, I called Mr.		12	Q. Weren’t there several days between May 12th and the jury
13	Benhamou.		13	verdict?
14	I went to my children’s school to pick them up for the		14	A. Yes.
15	first time in many months, maybe years, and on my way to pick		15	Q. With respect to the motion that you filed, did you make a
16	them up at school, my recollection is I called Mr. Benhamou to		16	conscious decision not to disclose the information that you had
17	ask him whether he had gotten the lawsuit. He said that he		17	in your possession during the trial in your motion?
18	hadn’t, that they couldn’t find it online, and if we wanted to		18	A. No, it was not, in my mind.
19	get it, our managing clerk would have to go to the Bronx in the		19	MR. [REDACTED]: May I have a moment, your Honor?
20	morning. I said, we don’t think it is her, so you can stand		20	THE COURT: Yes. Take your time.
21	down.		21	MR. [REDACTED]: No further questions, your Honor.
22	Q. Did at any point anyone suggest that you not send any		22	THE COURT: Go ahead, Mr. Shechtman.
23	emails about Conrad any further?		23	RECROSS-EXAMINATION
24	A. No.		24	BY MR. SHECHTMAN:
25	Q. You said that you weren’t aware of any other juror		25	Q. Ms. Trzaskoma, at any time were you trying to sandbag the
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1	misconduct case where the lies of this magnitude were involved.		1	Court or plant error in the record as to Juror No. 1, Ms.
2	Do you remember that testimony?		2	Conrad?
3	A. I do.		3	A. Absolutely not.
4	Q. Do you recall on direct you testified that in your mind on		4	MR. SHECHTMAN: No further questions.
5	May 12th there were two possibilities: There was either the		5	THE COURT: Ms. Trzaskoma, I have a question for you.
6	possibility that Conrad had lied during voir dire or the		6	On the third day of jury deliberations, May 16th, this Court
7	information you had was for the wrong person?		7	was confronted with a juror who needed to have an emergency
8	A. Yes.		8	medical procedure. After conferring with all counsel and over
9	Q. Is it fair to say that in your mind on May 12th they were		9	the government’s objection, I excused Juror No. 11, replaced
10	not just lies that you were contemplating but in your mind		10	Juror No. 11 with an alternate, and instructed the jury to
11	unprecedented lies as one possibility?		11	restart anew their jury deliberations. During that entire
12	A. I think that what I understood Mr. Shechtman to be asking		12	episode did you ever revisit the question of Juror No. 1 and
13	me was about the totality of Ms. Conrad’s lies. I can tell you		13	the possibility that she might be someone other than who she
14	that on May 12th I certainly did not contemplate that Ms.		14	said she was in voir dire?
15	Conrad was not only a suspended lawyer but was on criminal		15	THE WITNESS: I did not. I genuinely believed that
16	probation, had been arrested numerous times, had a bench		16	Juror No. 1 was who she said she was.
17	warrant for her arrest, was a severe alcoholic, and was married		17	THE COURT: Any further inquiry based upon the Court’s
18	to a man who himself had served 7 years in a New Jersey state		18	inquiry?
19	prison. That never entered my head.		19	MR. [REDACTED]: No, your Honor.
20	Q. Those facts that you had you didn’t have during the trial,		20	MR. SKLARSKY: No, your Honor.
21	right?		21	MR. SHECHTMAN: No, your Honor.
22	A. We did not.		22	MR. ROTERT: No, your Honor.
23	Q. If you had researched Ms. Conrad’s civil lawsuit, you might		23	MS. McCARTHY: No, your Honor.
24	have learned about them during the trial, right?		24	THE COURT: Ms. Trzaskoma, you are excused as a
25	A. It’s possible, but it took us a long time to put things		25	witness. You may step down.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL.,¶

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1	(Witness excused)	1
2	THE COURT: Before the defendants call Juror No. I,	2
3	have before me an application on behalf of Juror No. I	3
4	concerning closure of the courtroom. I have reviewed the	4
5	letter submissions of the parties. Ms. Sternheim, do you wish	5
6	to be heard further on that application?	6
7	MS. STERNHEIM: Very brief briefly, your Honor.	7
a	THE COURT: Please. Take the podium.
9	MS. STERNHEIM: I am aware that aspects of Ms.	9
10	Conrad’s alcohol dependence are in the record. as we have heard	to
11	today. However. I maintain that she does have the right to	ix
12	confidentiality regarding her condition and any treatment she	12
13	may have received. I do not suggest that it should not be an	13
14	arca of inquiry, but I don’t believe that it needs to be an	14
15	arca disclosed publicly. The record can be created so that all	15
16	the parties of interest in this matter have the facts that they	16
17	need to make their respective arguments.	17
18	The other past of my letter, which I don’t have with	1a
19	me for the moment. concerns aspects — does the Court have the	19
20	letter there? May I see it? Or does any counsel have a copy?	20
21	THE COURT: I’ve got it.	21
22	MS. STERNHEIM: Thank you.	22
23	THE COURT: These letters will he docketed and tiled	23
24	if they haven’t already been.	24
25	MS. STERNHEIM: The ‘the, aarc4 IS nit HIPA A .ancern,	25

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1	regarding her personal medical conditions.
2	With regard to inquiry concerning the disciplinary
3	committee, my request is based on the fact that disciplinary
4	proceedings. at least in the First Department, arc not public
5	proceedings, and it is my understanding that sealed records
6	were unsealed for the purpose of this matter. However. again.
7	that I believe was so that the parties would have opportunity
8	to make their record here. I still maintain because it is a
9	pending matter in the First Department, it should not be opened
10	to the public.
11	Once again, I AM not stating in any way that counsel
12	for either party should not be permitted to inquire. I
13	understand the relevance of it. However, again. I do not
14	believe that the inquiry into a matter which in and of itself
15	was a closed proceeding. although revealed for purposes of
16	this, and still pending should be a matter dealt with in open
17	court.
18	So. my request again is should counsel wish to inquire
19	into the underlying aspects of an alcohol dependency and the
20	disciplinary committee and the proceedings. that that be a
21	matter that is not for public consideration.
22	THE COURT: Thank you. Ms. Sternheim. Is mere any
23	other matter that you want to bring to the Court’s attention
24	before the witness is called?
25	MS. STERNHEIM: Yes. your Honor In CAMICC1106 with
			C2frdau3 Page 100
		1	v. Georgia, 130 S.O 721,724 (2010) quoting v. Georgia,
		2	467 U.S. 39, 48 (1984).
		3	The information Ms. Conrad seeks to shield from public
		4	view has already been disseminated. But the various court
		5	filings in support of the defendants motion for a new trial
		6	include, among other things. Conrad’s disciplinary records and
		7	related court filings and her psychological evaluations. Given
		9	Conrad that is likely to be prejudiced. Moreover, the rights
		10	of the defendants in this criminal case to a public proceeding
		12	application is denied.
		13	I’d ask at this time that the marshals bring Ms.
		14	Conrad out.
		15	MR. OKULA: Your armor. before they Dune her out. may
		16	I be heard briefly?
		17	THE COURT: Certainly.
		18	MR. OKULA: I have spoken with Mr. Gam, and we
		19	understand that the procedure is that Mr Gair is going to call
		30	Ms. Conrad and that she is going to invoke her Fifth Amendment
		22	submitted requesting that she be compelled to testify and be
		23	given use immunity in connection with that testimony.
		24	I want to be perfectly clear that in connection with
		25	this hearing. although Mr. Gair is calling Ms. Conrad as a

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1	witness, we would have otherwise called Ms. Conrad in order to
2	elicit these facts, so somebody looking back an this record
3	later on has no misimpression of a defendant calling a witness
4	who the government selectively decides to immunize. We were
5	going to call this witness conches. We made a decision that
6	her testimony is in the public interest: that’s why we an
7	seeking the immunity. I just wanted to make that clear to your
9	THE COURT: Fine. Ms. Statham. if you would like.
10	you may take a scat in the jury box during her examination.
11	MS. STERNHEIM: Thank you, Judge.
12	THE COURT: Let’s bring out Ms. Conrad.
13	MS. STERNHEIM: Your Honor. may I take the seal
14	closest?
15	THE DEPENDANT: Ycs, come on down.
16	CATHERINE M. CONRAD.
17	called as a witness by the defendant,
18	having been duly sworn, testified as follows:
19	THE COURT: Would you take a seat and state your full
20	name and spell your name slowly for the court reporter.
21	THE WITNESS: Catherine with a C. C-A-T.H.E-R•IN.E.
22	Conrad, C-O-N-R-A-D.
23	THE COURT: Mr. Gan% you may inquire.
24	DIRECT EXAMINATION
25	BY MR. GA1R:
CSIrtlau3	Conrad direct
	1 this proceeding?
	2 A. Yes, sir.
	3 Q. Ms. Conrad, did you take the same oath on March 1. 201 I, to
	4 tell the forth in this courtroom that you took a few moments
	7 Q. Apart from the dale. do you recall that in connection with
	9 prospective juror, correct?
	12 not?
	13 A. I’m not exactly sure when, sir.
	14 Q. At some point during the voir dirt, did you take an oath to
	15 tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
	16 A. Probably, yes, sir.
	17 Q. You didn’t do that, did you?
	19 Q. There were omissions in your testimony. is that cornet?
	20 A. Yes, sir.
	21 Q. There were lies in your testimony, were there not?
	22 A. Yes, sir.
	23 Q. So you didn’t tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
	21 but the truth, isn’t that correct?
	25 A. Yes, sir.
2	oath that you took to tell the truth in voir dire on March I st
3	of 2011 in this case?
4	A. Upon advice of my counsel, I plead the Fifth. Thank you.
5	Q. On March 1st and 2nd of 2011, were you present in this
6	courtroom for the trial of United States v. Daugerdas?
7	A. Upon advice of my counsel, I plead the Fifth. Thank you.
a Q.	Let me ask you one more question. Is it your intention to
9	assert your Fifth Amendment pnvilege to any question that I
10	ask you concerning your service in United States v. Daugerdas?
12	MR. GAIR: Your Honor?
13	THE COURT: noes the governrreau have an application si
14	this time, Mr. Okula?
15	MR. OKULA: We do. your Honor. We have submitted to
16	your Honor papers applying for an immunity order, and we
17	respectfully ask that your Honor sign that order.
18	THE COURT: Ms. Conrad, in view or your aiserlion of
19	the Fifth Amendment privilege, I have signed just now an order
20	granting you immunity, that is, use immunity, with respect to
21	your testimony in this proceeding.
22	You may proceed, Mr. Gair.
23	BY MR. GAIR:
24	Q. Do you understand. Ms. Conrad. that given the grant of use
25	immunity, you arc required to answer appropriate questions in
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	1 Q. Today did you call the -of Judge Patty at about IO
	2 minutes to 8:00 this morning?
	3 A. Yes, sir.
	1 Q. Did you inform the deputy clerk in Judge Pauley’s
	s that you would not be coming to court today?
	6 A. Yes, sir.
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1 Q. Did you know that you were under court order to appear in			1 A. I don’t know how to answer that question, I’m sorry.
2 court today?			2 Q. Do you understand what rational behavior is?
3 A. Yes, sir.			3 A. I’m not a psychologist, but yes, I understand you.
4 Q. And did you know that a United States —			4 Q. And you don’t know whether that was a rational thing for
5 A. Well, there was a subpoena.			5 you to say or an irrational one?
6 Q. Did you know that a United States district judge had the			6 A. I don’t know how to answer you.
7 power to subpoena you to court today?			7 Q. It might have been either one?
8 A. Probably.			8 A. I don’t know how to answer you.
9 Q. Well, you’re a trained lawyer. You know that the Court can			9 Q. Okay. And did you further tell the deputy clerk that you
10 issue a subpoena, correct?			10 would not be testifying today?
11 A. Yes, sir.			11 A. I believe so.
12 Q. And you were standing in front of Judge Pauley when the			12 Q. And did you understand that the government had prepared an
13 subpoena was served on you on December 20th, is that right?			13 order of immunity that when conferred by Judge Pauley would
14 A. The 20th, yes.			14 require you to testify?
15 Q. Okay. So you knew you were under court order to appear			15 A. No.
16 today, correct?			16 Q. So you had no idea that you were going to receive immunity
17 A. Yes, sir.			17 when you came here to testify today?
18 Q. And you knew that court order was lawful. In other words,			18 A. That’s correct, sir.
19 you knew by your training as a lawyer that Judge Pauley had the			19 Q. You’re represented by counsel?
20 power to issue that order to you, correct?			20 A. Yes, sir and it was — yes, sir.
21 A. Yes, sir.			21 Q. And it’s your testimony — have you had a chance to meet
22 Q. And yet you told Judge Pauley’s clerk that you were not			22 with your counsel?
23 coming today, did you not?			23 A. Yes, sir.
24 A. Yes.			24 Q. Can you point her out?
25 Q. And you would agree with me that that is irrational			25 A. Right to my left.
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1 behavior, is it not?			1 Q. How many times have you met with Ms. Sternheim?
2 MR. OKULA: Objection, objection.			2 A. Six.
3 A. I’m not University of Chicago trained —			3 Q. And in the six times you met with Ms. Sternheim — strike
4 MR. OKULA: Objection.			4 that. All those times occurred before today, correct?
5 THE COURT: Sustained as to form.			5 A. Yes, sir.
6 Q. Interesting question. How did you know I was University of			6 Q. And you came into this courtroom today not understanding
7 Chicago trained —			7 that you were going to be immunized so that you could testify
8 A. I Googled you after the trial.			8 here today?
9 Q. After the trial, is that correct?			9 A. You’re correct.
10 A. Yes, sir.			10 Q. Would you agree with me that telling the Court I’m not
11 Q. You didn’t Google me during the trial, is that correct?			11 coming and I’m not going to testify shows a lack of respect for
12 A. No. Yes, you’re correct.			12 the judicial process?
13 Q. Okay. Now, Ms. Conrad, can you explain how a person with			13 A. No, not at all.
14 legal training recognizing that they are under court order to			14 Q. Can you explain to me your thinking and telling the deputy
15 appear could call a federal judge and say “I’m not coming”?			15 clerk “I will not be coming today”?
16 A. No.			16 A. No.
17 Q. There’s no rational explanation for that conduct is there—			17 Q. Is that because you do not wish to or for some other
18 A. Object —			18 reason?
19 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor. What kind of			19 A. I don’t know how to answer you.
20 question is that?			20 Q. What was the reason for your saying to the deputy clerk I
21 MR. GAIR: May I be heard, your Honor?			21 will not be coming today?
22 THE COURT: On this question I’m going to overrule the			22 A. I don’t know.
23 government. All right? She can answer that question.			23 Q. Do you know if you had a reason?
24 Q. There’s no rational basis for your having stated to the			24 A. I’m not sure.
25 deputy this morning that you were not coming to court, correct?			25 Q. Do you find yourself at times doing things that you do not

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1 know whether you have a reason for doing or not?
3 psychologist.
e Q. How much did you have to drink last night?
is drinking?
16 A. Sunday. January 8th.
20 courthouse on December 20th to appear before Judge Pauley and
21 received instructions, is that correct?
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1	correct?
6	and I know you went toMI and God bless you because I love
7	all the players there. hut, you know, come on, this is anything
8	in favor of the delendants and they brought the motion against
9	the prosecution. It’s ndiculous. If you want another Clinton
10	appointment, it’s not going to happen.“
‘1.2	recollection.
14	’You’re being very stupid. Judge.’ what were you referring to?
18 Q. And when you said, “I know you went to	and God bless
19	you,” what were you referring to there?
21 Q. You like	football team?
25 Q. You like	football?

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2 Q. When was the last time before your court appearance on		2 Q. Is that what you like about them?
3 December 20th that you had anything to drink?		3 A. I’m not going to answer this.
4 A. The night before.	4	MR. OKULA: 0ttelion. your Honor Why the likes t►e
5 Q. And had the effects of that alcohol worn off by the time	5	football team?
6 you arrived in court at noon on December 20th?	6	THE COURT: Sustained.
9	December 20th was not caused by alcohol intoxication, is that 9	will not answer?
10 correct?		10 A. No. sir.
11 A. I believe it was caused by a subpoena that I had to appear		11 Q. And yet that’s what you just did, correct?
12 here, sir.		12 A. I think even yourself sees the ridiculosity (sic) of that
13 Q. The things that you said to the Court on that day were not	13	question.
14	influenced by being intoxicated at the time, is that correct?	14 Q. Let me try to repeat that question again. Didn’t you just
15 A. 1 believe you’re correct.	15	state. contrary to your own knowledge of legal procedures, that
16 Q. And was your behavior, would you charactenre your behavior	16	you were not going to answer my question?
17 as rational or irrational?		17 A. I don’t understand your question. I’m sorry.
is A. I can’t answer that. That’s in your eyes, sir.		16 Q. Now, do you feel like you have the same level of
19 Q. Now, do you recall that you received some instructions from	19	understanding of what’s going on around you today that you had
20 the Court?	20	during the trial?
21 A. I don’t know what you’re talking about. When?		21 A. I don’t understand the meaning of that question.
22 Q. On December 20th did you receive some instructions from		22 Q. Now, can you explain to us what Judge Pauley having
23 Judge Pauley?	23	attended University had to do with the discussion about
24 A. Of course. I received a subpoena.	24	your appearing for a hearing today?
25 Q. And Judge Pauley ordered you to appear today, is that		25 A. Absolutely nothing.

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1 Q. It was irrational, was it not?

2 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.¶

3 THE COURT: Overruled.¶

4 A. I don’t know what “irrational” means. I’m not a¶

5 psychologist.¶

6 Q. And would you agree with me that at least there was no¶

7 logical connection between Judge Pauley having attended [REDACTED]¶

8 University 30 years or more ago and the hearing that you were¶

9 present for and the instructions you were receiving on¶

10 December 20th.¶

11 A. You went there too, but I really don’t know what your¶

12 question means.¶

13 Q. When you say you went there too, you mean I went there too?¶

14 A. Yes. I Googled you.¶

15 Q. And you know that I attended that as an undergraduate?¶

16 A. I believe so.¶

17 Q. Is that responsive to the question I just asked you?¶

18 A. I told you, I can’t answer your question, sir.¶

19 Q. I have now posed a different question. I am now asking you¶

20 to explain for us whether there’s a logical connection between¶

21 Judge Pauley’s attendance at [REDACTED] University and your statement¶

22 to the Court in the proceedings on December 20th?¶

23 A. I can’t parse it down. I’m not a psychologist, sir.¶

24 Q. Now, then you went on to say, “Come on, this is anything in¶

25 favor of the defendants and they brought the motion against the¶

| | | | | 1 filed in the court, sir. Everyone can look it up. It’s a¶

2 matter of public record.¶

3 Q. And in your judgment the motion was ridiculous, is that¶

4 what you meant to convey?¶

5 A. I don’t recall, no. I don’t recall.¶

6 Q. Well, when you said it was ridiculous, what did you mean?¶

7 A. I don’t recall.¶

8 Q. Well, did you mean that you thought there was no merit to¶

9 it?¶

10 A. I don’t recall.¶

11 Q. I mean, you know there’s merit to it, right?¶

12 A. I don’t recall.¶

13 Q. Do you know — I’m not asking about your recall right now.¶

14 I’m asking you whether or not there is merit to a motion that¶

15 said you came into court and lied and lied and lied on March 1,¶

16 2011.¶

17 MR. OKULA: Objection to the form, your Honor.¶

18 THE COURT: Sustained as to form.¶

19 Q. So you don’t know why you said it was ridiculous?¶

20 A. You’re correct. I’m not a psychologist.¶

21 Q. Now, when you went on to tell Judge Pauley “If you want¶

22 another Clinton appointment, it’s not going to happen” — do¶

23 you remember saying that?¶

24 A. I don’t recall.¶

25 Q. So you do not remember saying that?¶

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| Page 114 | C2FFDAU4 | Conrad - direct | Page 116 | | 1 prosecution. It’s ridiculous.” Now, what were you trying to¶

2 get at when you said “this is anything in favor of the¶

3 defendants”?¶

4 A. I don’t recall.¶

5 Q. Well, what you were trying to get at is —¶

6 A. Are you testifying for me, sir?¶

7 Q. What you were trying to get at, [REDACTED], you thought that¶

8 anything that might be in favor of the defendants would be¶

9 ridiculous, is that correct?¶

10 A. Absolutely not.¶

11 Q. Because you had decided that they were fricken crooks,¶

12 isn’t that correct?¶

13 A. Absolutely not.¶

14 Q. You haven’t decided that?¶

15 A. Absolutely not.¶

16 Q. Did you think — and when you said and they brought the¶

17 motion against the prosecution did you think that Judge Pauley¶

18 was unaware of who filed the motion and who was responding to¶

19 the motion concerning the request for a new trial?¶

20 A. You have to break that question down for me, because Pacer¶

21 is a public record, sir.¶

22 Q. Can you explain to me what the fact that Pacer is a public¶

23 record has to do with the question of whether Judge Pauley¶

24 would know who filed the motion?¶

25 A. Of course. It’s a matter of public record and it’s what’s¶

| | | | | 1 A. If it’s in the record, I probably did say that, sir.¶

2 Q. Okay, so it’s in the record. So why did you say it?¶

3 A. Probably just being smart.¶

4 Q. Just being smart.¶

5 A. Smart a-s-s.¶

6 Q. So you were being a smart ass to a federal judge, is that¶

7 what you call it?¶

8 A. If you need to say it that way, that’s your words, not¶

9 mine.¶

10 Q. Okay, well, let me ask you this: Are you under the¶

11 impression that the President of the United States is named¶

12 Clinton?¶

13 A. I Googled — no. Please, stop. No.¶

14 Q. Why did you refer to another Clinton appointment?¶

15 A. Because I Googled the judge after the trial was over and I¶

16 saw he was a Clinton appointee. End of story. Why don’t we¶

17 get on to the meat of this?¶

18 Q. Ms. Conrad, can you explain for us the connection between¶

19 Judge Pauley ordering you to appear for a hearing on¶

20 February 15th and the prospect that Judge Pauley would receive¶

21 another appointment to the bench from somebody —¶

22 A. No.¶

23 Q. — who is not President?¶

24 A. No.¶

25 Q. Would you agree with me that in the common parlance that¶

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1 was crazy talk?			1 A. I can’t dispute if you’re reading from the transcript, sir.
2 MR. OKULA: Objection.			2 So —
3 A. No, I’m not a psychologist.			3 Q. I’m asking if you remember saying it.
4 THE COURT: Sustained.			4 A. If you’re reading from the transcript then I said it. It
5 Q. Can you explain the connection, if any, between what you			5 doesn’t matter, I guess, if I remember it or not. But I recall
6 said about Judge Pauley receiving another Clinton appointment			6 that.
7 and the matters that were going to be discussed?			7 Q. You do recall?
8 A. No.			8 A. Vaguely.
9 Q. And did you have any special insight when you said “it’s			9 Q. Now, would you agree with me in your career as a lawyer
10 not going to happen” that Judge Pauley would not receive			10 that it is an uncommon response for a person ordered by a judge
11 another appointment?			11 to appear in court to testify to say no, I’m not going to do
12 A. No.			12 that?
13 Q. Now, when you came to the hearing on December 20th, did you			13 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
14 understand that you had been compelled to come to that hearing			14 THE COURT: Overruled.
15 by having an order served on you at your home?			15 A. Could you please repeat the question?
16 A. Yes, I had a subpoena served upon me.			16 Q. Based on your experience as a lawyer, would you agree with
17 Q. By two deputy U.S. marshals, correct?			17 me that your conduct in responding to the judge’s instructions
18 A. I believe so, yes.			18 by saying you were not going to appear was unusual?
19 Q. And you understood that you had to obey that order,			19 A. I’m not a psychologist. I don’t know. I don’t know how to
20 correct?			20 answer you, sir.
21 A. Yes, sir.			21 Q. Well, you are a lawyer, correct?
22 Q. And you understood that you couldn’t leave, correct, till			22 A. No. I was.
23 Judge Pauley told you you could leave?			23 Q. Have you been disbarred?
24 A. I don’t really know what that means.			24 A. No.
25 Q. Well, do you remember telling the deputy clerk at that time			25 Q. So you’re a suspended lawyer?
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1 that your time was being wasted and you were going to walk out			1 A. Correct.
2 of the courtroom?			2 Q. You had legal training?
3 A. No, I don’t.			3 A. Yes. I went to law school.
4 Q. Did you do that?			4 Q. How many times have you ever heard a person ordered by a
5 A. If I told you I don’t remember, how can you ask me the next			5 judge to appear and testify say “I’m not going to”?
6 question?			6 A. I have no idea.
7 Q. Did Judge Pauley explain to you at that hearing you’re			7 Q. It might happen all the time?
8 ordered to appear as a witness at a hearing on February 15th			8 A. I don’t know how to answer your question, sir.
9 concerning your role as a juror in United States v. Daugerdas?			9 Q. Would you agree that that is not — to tell a federal
10 A. I don’t specifically recall him.			10 judge, and I quote, “I’m not showing up” when you’ve been
11 Q. Do you recall something like that?			11 ordered to show up is conduct that is not rational?
12 A. Yes, sir.			12 A. I am not a psychologist. I am not part of the disciplinary
13 Q. And do you recall that your response, or do you recall that			13 committee, so I don’t know how to answer your question, sir.
14 later in that hearing he told you again you’re going to have to			14 Q. Do you know what the word “rational” means?
15 testify at a hearing. Do you recall that?			15 A. I’m not a psychologist. There are variations that are
16 A. Not specifically, no, sir.			16 shades of gray.
17 Q. Do you recall that your initial response to being told that			17 Q. Have you ever been treated for a mental illness?
18 you had to appear at a hearing is to say, “No, I don’t. No,			18 A. I’m not going to answer this.
19 no, no”?			19 THE COURT: You are directed to answer it.
20 A. If you’re reading from the transcript, then that’s what I			20 A. No.
21 said, sir.			21 Q. [REDACTED] has anybody ever told you that you suffer from
22 Q. And do you recall that when the Judge gave you instructions			22 bipolar disorder?
23 about retaining a lawyer you said, and I quote, “For what? I’m			23 A. Not at all.
24 no, I’m not. I’m not going to court for anything. I’m not			24 Q. What medications do you take?
25 testifying for anything,

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1 Q. Do you regard water as a medication?			1 Q. Would your conduct be sane if irrational?
2 A. It calms me down. Sure.			2 A. I’m not going to answer that. Of course not. Insanely?
3 Q. Besides water, what other medications do you take?			3 Is that what you said, sir?
4 A. Tylenol for PMS.			4 THE COURT: Why don’t you put another question?
5 Q. Do you take any prescription medication?			5 Q. Was your conduct in rejecting the subpoena that the judge
6 A. Not at all.			6 ordered served on you and saying that you were not going to
7 Q. At any time in the last, say, two years have you taken any			7 appear and the judge would have to have you arrested, was that
8 prescription medication?			8 conduct irrational?
9 A. No, sir.			9 A. Absolutely not. Nobody wants a subpoena served on them.
10 Q. Now, did you tell the judge that, after he reminded you			10 Q. Now, have you ever witnessed an officer of the court in
11 that a subpoena had just been served on you on December 20, did			11 your career as a lawyer, have you ever witnessed an officer of
12 you tell the judge, “I reject the subpoena. I reject it and			12 the court telling a judge that the judge would have to have
13 you’re going to have to arrest me because nothing is going to			13 them arrested because they weren’t going to appear as ordered?
14 change.”			14 A. I don’t know how to answer that. I don’t know.
15 A. I don’t specifically remember that, but I’m sure I told him			15 Q. Do you know what your own experiences are?
16 that if it’s in your record.			16 A. If you’re asking if I did it? You just told me I did it.
17 Q. Would you agree with me that that is uncommon conduct for			17 Q. I’m asking you — are you able to understand my question?
18 an officer of the Court?			18 A. Yes, but these questions are ridiculous.
19 A. I’m not a psychologist. I don’t know what common conduct			19 Q. Why are they ridiculous?
20 quote-unquote, what your terms mean.			20 A. Pose it again, please.
21 Q. So you’re not really in a position to judge whether			21 Q. Can you answer me why — you just said my questions are
22 something is common or uncommon, correct?			22 ridiculous. What did you mean when you said they were
23 A. I’m not a judge, like you just said.			23 ridiculous?
24 Q. And you’re not in a position to judge whether something is			24 A. How would I know whether an attorney, what another attorney
25 rational or irrational, right?			25 said to another judge? I don’t understand your questions.
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1 A. Common knowledge is common knowledge, sir.			1 Q. Okay. Now, would you agree with me that a good part of
2 Q. Are you in a position to judge whether something is			2 that hearing on December 20th was about Judge Pauley advising
3 rational or irrational?			3 you that you should get a lawyer.
4 MR. OKULA: Objection, Judge. We’re getting into this			4 A. Yes, sir. I understand the underlying reason why we’re
5 rational/irrational. Different people have different ideas			5 here is not lawyer or lawyer up, whether I did or didn’t, it’s
6 about it.			6 whether the underlying fact of the verdict.
7 THE COURT: And he’s exploring the witness’ view of			7 Q. Did you understand that the hearing on December 20th was to
8 that. Overruled.			8 give you instructions which included instructing you about your
9 A. Can you please say that again, sir?			9 right to a lawyer?
10 MR. GAIR: Your Honor, can I ask that the court			10 A. I guess partly, sir.
11 reporter read back the question?			11 Q. Okay. And Judge Pauley told you that he would appoint a
12 THE COURT: Madam court reporter, would you kindly			12 lawyer for you if you qualified financially, correct?
13 read back the question for Ms. Conrad?			13 A. I don’t recall specifically. I don’t recall.
14 (Record read)			14 Q. Well, didn’t you — you don’t recall whether the judge told
15 A. In what context, sir?			15 you that you would have to — that he could only appoint a
16 Q. In the context of conduct of a lawyer appearing before a			16 lawyer if you couldn’t afford to hire one yourself?
17 federal judge, do you know what kind of conduct is rational and			17 A. Sir, I don’t specifically remember that.
18 what kind of conduct is irrational?			18 Q. Did you say that you didn’t have the money to pay for
19 A. Probably, sir.			19 counsel?
20 Q. Was your conduct irrational when you said, “I reject the			20 A. ■■■ I don’t recall.
21 subpoena. I reject it and you’re going to have to arrest me			21 Q. Did you have the money to pay for counsel?
22 because nothing is going to change”?			22 A. No.
23 A. I consider it irrelevant.			23 Q. Well, let me just ask you to look, there’s a big black
24 Q. I beg your pardon?			24 binder in front of you, and I’m going to ask you about a
25 A. Irrelevant, not irrational.			25 document in that binder, Exhibit 3.

February IS, 2012¶

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1 A. Sir, tab 3?
2 Q. Tab 3, yes.
3 A. All right.
4 MR. GAIR: Your Honor, at this time I would move the
5 admission of PMD3.
6 THE COURT: Any objection?
7 MR. OKULA: No, your Honor.
8 THE COURT: PMD 3 is received in evidence.
9 (Exhibit PMD 3 received in evidence)
10 Q. If you would look at page 10 of the transcript, it’s got
11 page 5 at the bottom, but then on the right side there are page
12 numbers 9, 10 and 11. Tell me when you’ve got that.
13 A. Okay. Yes, sir.
14 Q. Okay, and if you look at beginning at line 8, the Court
15 says, “Do you want to complete this affidavit now so that I can
16 make a determination as to whether or not you can afford
17 counsel?“
18 And you said, “I can’t afford counsel, that’s correct,
19 sir.”
20 Do you remember that happening?
21 A. If it’s here then it happened, sir.
22 Q. And I’m asking you now do you remember it?
23 A. Yeah, probably.
24 Q. Okay. And you understood that you needed to qualify in
25 order to have an attorney appointed for you, correct?

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| Page 128 | | 1 A. I didn’t know specifically, specifically what the 2 qualifications are or were. 3 Q. But you knew it was a financial qualification, correct? 4 A. Probably. 5 Q. Okay. And you understood that you would have to fill out a 6 financial affidavit, did you not? 7 A. I don’t know how to answer that. Maybe eventually. 8 Q. Well, when the Court said do you want to complete this 9 affidavit now so that I can make a determination as to whether 10 or not you can afford counsel, did you understand at that point 11 that you had to complete a financial affidavit? 12 A. I don’t know, sir. 13 Q. All right. Look back on page 8. It’s on the facing page 14 of this exhibit, line 6, Judge Pauley says if you would like a 15 lawyer but do not have the funds to retain one, you may make an 16 application to this Court to have an attorney appointed 17 provided that you make such application and submit a completed 18 financial affidavit that demonstrates your inability to retain 19 counsel by December 23rd 2011, and then a form was tendered to 20 you. Do you remember that happening? 21 A. [REDACTED], yes, sir. 22 Q. And do you remember what you said to Judge Pauley when you 23 got the form? 24 A. [REDACTED], yes. “This is garbage.” 25 Q. You said, “this is garbage”?¶

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| Page 128 | | 1 A. It was probably a kneejerk reaction, sir. 2 Q. So you do know why you did it, it was a kneejerk reaction? 3 A. If you want to characterize it that way. 4 Q. Was it irrational for you to tell Judge Pauley — 5 A. I’m not a psychologist. 6 Q. Because you’re not a psychologist you can’t penetrate 7 mental states of other people and yourself, correct? 8 A. I don’t know how to answer that. 9 Q. Are you able to form a conclusion whether or not somebody 10 is acting rational or irrationally? 11 A. Yes, and I was a very unbiased juror. 12 Q. Ms. Conrad, would you agree with me that your conduct in 13 telling Judge Pauley that the affidavit was garbage was 14 irrational? 15 A. No. And it has nothing to do with the jury verdict that 16 was rendered against your client. 17 Q. Are you under the impression that you are the determinant 18 in this proceeding of what is relevant and irrelevant 19 information? 20 A. I’m not the judge, sir. 21 Q. But yet you just told me that my question was in essence 22 irrelevant, correct? 23 A. I’m not going to mischaracterize your statements. 24 THE COURT: Mr. Gair, is this an appropriate place for 25 a luncheon recess?¶

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. v PAUL Nt. DAUGERDAS, ET AL..¶

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1	MR. GAIR: Yes, your Honor.		1	Q. Did you refuse to tell Judge Pauley whether you had money
2	THE COURT: We’re going to take a luncheon recess at		2	in checking or savings accounts?
3	this time. We’ll resume at 2:05.		3	A. I don’t recall.
4	(Luncheon recess)		4	Q. And this was just about two months ago that you had this
5	o0o		5	conversation with Judge Pauley, correct?
6	AFTERNOON SESSION		6	A. If we’ve established it was December 20th, right
7	2:05 p.m.		7	Q. And you don’t recall whether he asked you whether you had
8	MR. GAIR: I want to draw to counsel’s attention two		8	money in checking or savings accounts and you refused to
9	matters that developed over the luncheon recess. First,		9	answer?
10	Ms. Sternheim presented me with a financial affidavit which she		10	A. Are you directing me to look at a specific page of the
11	received from Ms. Conrad. Copies have been made and circulated		11	transcript?
12	to all counsel and I’ve marked it as Court Exhibit 1.		12	Q. Actually, I was directing you to look at what I thought was
13	Second, during the luncheon recess we discovered on		13	on page 11, but I am not finding it right now. It might be —
14	our voice mail system that there is a voice mail message from		14	█ yeah, I’m sorry. My notes were wrong. It’s the bottom of
15	Ms. Conrad. Much like a picture that’s worth a thousand words		15	page 10 of the transcript.
16	I’m going to play the voice mail message for all parties in		16	”The Court: Have you any cash on hand or money in
17	open court now.		17	savings or checking accounts?“
18			18	And your answer was, “As opposed to what? As opposed
19	MS. CONRAD: (Voice mail) “Hi, it’s Catherine Conrad.		19	to paying my rent next month or as opposed to what? That’s not
20	I won’t be showing up to the hearing today. Thank you.”		20	a fair question. I don’t understand what you’re saying, sir.”
21	THE COURT: Play the time.		21	Now, do you recall, does that refresh your
22	”8:33 a.m. on February 15th.”		22	recollection that you were asked about whether you had cash or
23	All right. There you have it. That was after her		23	money in checking or savings accounts?
24	conversation with my deputy at 7:52. Are there any matters		24	A. Yes. Now it does, sir.
25	that counsel want to raise before we bring Ms. Conrad out and		25	Q. And did you tell the judge that your personal finances had
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1	resume the inquiry?		1	nothing to do with this?
2	MR. GAIR: No, your Honor.		2	A. I can’t read as quickly as you’re trying to lead me to,
3	THE COURT: All right.		3	but —
4	MR. OKULA: Judge, do you anticipate that we’ll go to		4	Q. I don’t want to make you go any more quickly than you can.
5	5 today?		5	If you look on page 11, line 19, did you say, beginning line
6	THE COURT: Do you anticipate finishing with		6	19, “My personal finances have nothing to do with this. Thank
7	Ms. Conrad this afternoon?		7	you. They have nothing to do with this. I can get counsel any
8	MR. GAIR: I do so anticipate.		8	time I want, federal or state. Thank you, sir.” Did you say
9	THE COURT: Good. Then I anticipate going to five.		9	that to Judge Pauley?
10	If we have to work a little later to complete Ms. Conrad, I’d		10	A. Yes, before he told me to sit down.
11	like to do that.		11	Q. We’re going to get to where he told you to sit down, but
12	Mr. Gair, you may continue with your examination.		12	when you told Judge Pauley your personal finances have nothing
13	BY MR. GAIR:		13	to do with this, did you understand that in fact your personal
14	Q. On December 20th when you were here pursuant to the Court’s		14	finances had a great deal to do with whether or not he could
15	order, Judge Pauley attempted to determine whether you had the		15	appoint a lawyer for you?
16	financial ability to hire a lawyer. Do you recall that?		16	A. Had nothing to do with the guilty verdict I rendered
17	A. Generally. Not specifically.		17	against your client.
18	Q. And you understood — well, he asked you whether you had		18	Q. So you were not telling the judge that your personal
19	any money in checking or savings account, did he not?		19	finances had nothing to do with whether or not you could be
20	A. I don’t recall.		20	appointed a lawyer?
21	Q. If we can look at Exhibit 3, it’s tab 3, page 11 of the		21	A. Can you please rephrase that?
22	transcript —		22	Q. Sure. What you said is that your personal finances had
23	MR. GAIR: If I may have a moment, your Honor.		23	nothing to do with it and you could get a lawyer federal or
24	THE COURT: Take your time.		24	state any time you wanted. Isn’t that what you said?
25	(Pause)		25	A. If that’s what it sets, then that’s what I said, sir.

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3	Fauky was asking you about your finances and the matter he was
4	discussing with you, that is, appointment of a lawyer?
11	to do with this, correct?
13	against your client.
15	asked about, that is. your right to a lawyer, correct?
19	THE COURT: Um directing lost to answer questions Qui
20	are put before you.
22	money in savings or checking accounts of approximately 512.000?
24	from my attorney this morning, then that is correct.
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1	affidavit —
4	have 512.000 cash on hand?
6	verdict I rendered against Mr. Daugerdas, your client.
9	received this morning.
13	stocks and bonds, is that correct?
16	Ms. Conrad?
17	MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
19	THE COURT: Sustained as to form.
	20 Q. ithc you been a successful have you achieved financial
21	success as a lawyer?
23	means.
25	financial success as a lawyer?
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		2	matters to me.
		4	lawyer?
		9	MR. OKULA: Judge, relevance.
		10	THE COURT: Overruled.
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		1	on February 28th of 2011 that you hadn’t been — the question
		2	attach your last two years federal and state tax returns the
		3	answer was none, not applicable.
		7	February 28, 2011.
		12	correct?
		15	MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
		16	THE COURT: Sustained.
		17	MR. GAIR: Sony. your Honor. My apologies.
		19	to that question on the disciplinary committee affidavit you
		20	filed on February 28th of 2011?
		23	this issue, would you characterize yourself by your own
		24	standards as a financially successful lawyer?

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, v PAUL M. DAUGERDAS, ET AL¶

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1 Q. Okay.			1 correct?
2 A. I don’t live an extravagant lifestyle like Mr. Daugerdas.			2 A. I don’t recall.
3 Q. Would you consider that Mr. Daugerdas was a financially			3 Q. And when Judge Pauley advised you that you should get a
4 successful lawyer?			4 lawyer, retain a lawyer, you told him, “I’ll retain myself or
5 A. Sure, ripping off the government.			5 my husband, the convicted felon,” is that correct?
6 Q. And would you consider that —			6 A. If it’s written somewhere I probably said it. I don’t
7 A. And this was only after the trial, might I add.			7 specifically recall, sorry.
8 Q. Would you consider —			8 Q. So you don’t remember telling the Court that you would
9 A. In keeping with the verdict that myself and eleven other			9 either retain yourself or your husband the convicted felon?
10 jurors rendered against your client.			10 A. Where are you directing me to look at?
11 Q. Would you agree with me that you have not been very			11 Q. I’m asking you if you remember it, [REDACTED]?
12 financially successful as a lawyer?			12 A. Not specifically.
13 A. I am fine, thank you.			13 Q. Do you have memory problems?
14 Q. Okay. How is it that you’re able to pay your $800 a month			14 A. Certainly not.
15 in rent?			15 Q. Certainly not. Never had blackouts, I take it?
16 A. You got that from the financial affidavit as well this			16 A. I remember every day of this trial.
17 morning. Yes. From savings.			17 Q. Have you ever had a blackout?
18 Q. And is that how you pay all your expenses, from savings?			18 A. No.
19 A. I don’t have a lot of expenses, so, yes. I’m going to need			19 Q. And you have no memory problems?
20 a job soon. I’m sure your office is not going to hire me,			20 A. No, sir.
21 but —			21 Q. And yet you don’t remember telling the Court, “I’ll retain
22 Q. Now, Ms. Conrad, when you filled out this affidavit today			22 myself or my husband the convicted felon”?
23 did you understand that the purpose of this affidavit was to			23 A. Not specifically.
24 allow the Court to determine whether or not you had the			24 Q. Is your husband a convicted felon?
25 financial need for Ms. Sternheim to be appointed and funded by			25 A. Yes, sir.
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1 the federal court?			1 Q. Did you remember that on March 1 and 2nd of 2011 or did you
2 A. However that’s relevant, but yes.			2 forget?
3 Q. Now, when you were asked back on December 20th if you owned			3 A. Sir, I did not reveal that to the Court.
4 any stocks or bonds, you replied to the Court “none of your			4 Q. Did you remember it was my question.
5 business.” Is that correct?			5 A. Well, I’m answering part two of your question that’s not
6 A. If it’s in the transcript, I probably said it, sir. I			6 asked yet, but yes.
7 don’t specifically recall.			7 Q. So you did remember that, right?
8 Q. First I’m just asking if you remember it.			8 A. To repeat it a third time, yes.
9 A. No, not offhand.			9 Q. Now, Ms. Conrad, do you remember that at the start of the
10 Q. So let’s look at the transcript on page 12. You are asked			10 voir dire in this case Judge Pauley explained the purpose of
11 on line 13, “Do you own any stocks or bonds?“			11 voir dire?
12 And you said to the Court on line 14, “None of your			12 A. I believe so, yes.
13 business.”			13 Q. Do you remember that he explained that voir dire means to
14 Does that refresh your memory that when the Court			14 speak the truth. Do you remember that?
15 asked a question about your ownership of stocks and bonds you			15 A. Yes, sir.
16 said “none of your business”?			16 Q. And do you remember that Judge Pauley explained to you and
17 A. Not specifically, but I see it written in front of me, so I			17 everybody else on the venire that that’s precisely what you had
18 must have said it.			18 just been sworn to do, to speak the truth.
19 Q. But it was the Court’s business, was it not?			19 A. Veneer, yes.
20 A. That I — I don’t know.			20 Q. Do you remember that he explained to you that the purpose,
21 Q. Why did you say “none of your business”?			21 the purpose of voir dire was to make sure that we have a jury
22 A. It’s probably what I felt at the time.			22 of citizens who will decide the issues in this case fairly and
23 Q. Now, when Judge Pauley asked you or instructed you to take			23 impartially and without any bias or prejudice in favor of
24 the oath so that he could ask you questions about your			24 either side or against either side. Do you remember saying
25 financial situation, you refused to take the oath, is that			25 that?

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1 A. Exactly. Yes. And that’s what we did.			1 Q. Was it during the voir dire?
2 Q. So you knew from the outset of this trial that there was a			2 A. I don’t recall.
3 connection between speaking the truth on voir dire and			3 Q. Was it before you showed up for court the first day?
4 ferreting out jurors who might have biases, didn’t you, then?			4 A. No, I don’t think so.
5 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.			5 Q. Was it after Judge Pauley told you that you had to speak
6 THE COURT: Overruled.			6 the truth?
7 A. Can you please repeat that?			7 A. I don’t recall, sir.
8 Q. You understood based on what Judge Pauley told you in voir			8 Q. In response to what question did you make the decision to
9 dire that there was a connection between speaking the truth in			9 lie to the Court?
10 answer to what you were being asked and the ability of the			10 A. I didn’t lie.
11 Court to ferret out biases or other things that might make a			11 Q. You did not lie?
12 juror unsuitable?			12 A. I omitted the fact that I was an attorney.
13 A. Yes, there is a nexus.			13 Q. I just want to make sure I heard you right. You did not
14 Q. There is a nexus?			14 lie under oath, is that correct?
15 A. Mm-hmm.			15 A. In my mind I didn’t. I omitted the fact that I had a JD.
16 Q. And yet you deliberately decided to defy the Court, isn’t			16 Q. And that was not a lie in your mind?
17 that correct?			17 A. It was an omission.
18 A. If you want to mischaracterize it like that.			18 Q. Is it a lie?
19 Q. I don’t want to mischaracterize anything. I want you to			19 A. You’re the evidence professor.
20 tell me whether you deliberately decided to mislead the Court			20 Q. Did you lie to the Court —
21 here.			21 A. I omitted.
22 A. I did not reveal that I was an attorney.			22 Q. Okay. So there’s a distinction in your mind between
23 Q. That was not my question, [REDACTED].			23 omitting a truth and lying, is that correct?
24 A. Then please rephrase it.			24 A. I’m not sure.
25 Q. Did you make a deliberate decision to lie to this Court?			25 Q. Well, is the lie that you, or the omission that you
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1 A. I did omit the fact that I had a JD.			1 remember an omission about being a lawyer?
2 Q. Was that the only fact you omitted?			2 A. I don’t know what that question means, sir.
3 A. No.			3 Q. Well, let me try another question. Do you remember that
4 Q. We’re going to come back to that, but right now I’d like to			4 the very first question that Judge Pauley asked you was where
5 try to get an answer to my question. Did you make the			5 do you live.
6 deliberate decision I’m going to lie to the Court?			6 A. Yes. And we had to, I believe, state the county.
7 A. Not at first.			7 Q. Okay, and in answer to the very first question that Judge
8 Q. Not at first.			8 Pauley asked you, you told a deliberate lie to Judge Pauley,
9 A. I —			9 isn’t that true, [REDACTED]?
10 Q. When did you make the deliberate decision that you were			10 A. No. I don’t know what you’re talking about.
11 going to lie to the Court?			11 Q. Well, didn’t you tell Judge Pauley that you lived in Bronx
12 A. It was omission.			12 Village in Westchester?
13 Q. So you did not tell any active lie to the Court, is that			13 A. There is no such thing as Bronx Village.
14 correct?			14 Q. Well, that’s what the transcript says. Did you tell Judge
15 A. I’m not really sure.			15 Pauley that you lived in Bronxville in Westchester?
16 Q. Is that because you don’t remember what you said or because			16 A. Yes.
17 you don’t know the difference between truth and lie?			17 Q. And that’s a lie, wasn’t it?
18 A. Of course I know the difference, and the character			18 A. No, it’s my official address.
19 assassination is, you know, well done, but the fact of the			19 Q. [REDACTED], Judge Pauley didn’t ask you what your official
20 matter is that you’re here to discredit me and to discredit the			20 address is, he asked you where you live, right?
21 fact that myself and eleven other jurors convicted your client			21 A. Anyone can have more than one residence.
22 across the board.			22 Q. Did he ask you where you lived?
23 Q. Ms. Conrad, when did you make the deliberate decision to			23 A. I don’t remember the exact question. It might have been —
24 lie to the Court?			24 no, it was, you had to give your county.

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THE COURT: Any objection?
MR. OKULA: No, your Honor.
THE COURT: PMD Exhibit 2 is received in evidence.
(Exhibit PMD 2 received in evidence)
Q. Let me ask you to direct your attention to page 203 of the
transcript. And I just want you to focus on lines 4 through 9.
Judge Pauley asked you, I think Ms. Conrad, Juror No. 3, that I
was about to begin with you when we suspended yesterday. So
first, would you tell us what neighborhood you reside in? And
you answered Bronxville in Westchester. Is that correct?
A. No, you’re reading it in correctly. It says Bronx Village.
Q. Okay, was your answer at the time Bronxville but possibly
the court reporter got it down wrong?
A. Absolutely.
Q. So in answer to the question where you resided, you said
you resided in Bronxville, that’s in Westchester County,
correct?
A. Yes.
Q. And you don’t reside in Bronxville in Westchester County,
isn’t that correct?
A. No.
Q. No, it’s not correct?
A. I have two addresses.

| 1 were living. 2. A. I sometimes stay in Bronxville as well. 3. Q. And my question to you was on the day of voir dire when you 4. woke up — 5. A. [REDACTED] but that wasn’t your question. The day of voir dire. 6. then that was in the Barker Avenue address, correct. 7. Q. Okay. How about on February 28th, the day before voir 8. dire. Where did you live on that day? 9. A. The same. 10. Q. The same what? 11. A. Address. 12. Q. You lived on Barker Avenue in the Bronx? 13. A. Yes, sir. 14. Q. And we know you lived there on March 1 because that’s the 15. first day of voir dire, right? 16. A. I’m not sure. I think March 1 was a Monday or a Tuesday. 17. I’m not specifically sure. 18. Q. In fact, [REDACTED] you had lived on Barker Avenue in the Bronx 19. for the past two years at least, correct? 20. A. [REDACTED] sure. 21. Q. [REDACTED] sure. 22. A. And this has everything to do with why Mr. Daugerdas, your 23. client, is guilty or not? 24. Q. And when the Judge said where do you reside, you made 25. deliberate decision to tell the judge that you resided in¶

| | | | | C2FFDAU4 | Conrad - direct | Page 146 | C2FFDAU4 | Conrad - direct | Page 148 | | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 | Q. Let me ask you this: When you woke up on the morning of March 1 of 2011 and you got out of bed and you walked out the front door, were you on Barker Avenue in the Bronx? A. That’s confidential. Q. Or were you in Bronxville in Westchester? A. Same answer. THE COURT: It’s not confidential. I’m directing you to answer the question. A. Barker. Q. Because that’s where you live. A. And what does this have to do with convicting your client? Q. [REDACTED] — A. I — Q. Do you — the truth of the matter is that you lived on March 1 and 2nd and every other day in March of 2011, you lived at 2385 Barker Avenue, apartment 3H in the Bronx, isn’t that correct? A. No. Q. What days did you not live there? A. Probably the beginning of March. Q. At the beginning of March you did not live in, you did not live in the Bronx? A. That’s my address and I also have a Westchester address, sir. Q. I didn’t ask what your addresses were. I asked where you¶

| 1 Bronxville as opposed to on Barker Avenue in the Bronx, 2. correct? 3. A. That — both are correct. 4. Q. So you were not trying to mislead this Court when you said 5. I live in — I live in Bronxville in Westchester County? 6. A. And myself and the other eleven jurors did not mislead this 7. Court when we rendered our fair and just and unbiased verdict. 8. MR. GAIR: Move to strike as non-responsive, your 9. Honor. 10. THE COURT: Application granted. 11. Q. Okay, Ms. Conrad, the fact is — let me just get a little 12. background. Do you live with your husband? 13. A. Yes. 14. Q. Your husband is a career criminal, right? 15. A. So are most attorneys. 16. Q. And, Ms. Conrad, your father is an immigration judge for 17. the United States Department of Justice? 18. A. DOJ. 19. Q. Yeah. Are you trying to tell me that sometimes you and 20. your husband, the convicted felon, are living with your father? 21. A. Love has no bounds. 22. Q. So do sometimes you and your husband live in the Bronx? 23. A. We don’t sleep in the same bedroom as my parents, sir. 24. Q. Do you sometimes sleep in the Bronx with your husband, same 25. house?¶

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1 A. I hope so.			1 Yes, that’s the date it was signed and notarized.
2 Q. Let me —			2 Q. This was a statement that was sworn by you before you
3 A. These are semantics, sir. Your client is still guilty as			3 submitted it to the First Department, correct, before you
4 charged with our verdict, and that’s it.			4 submitted it to the disciplinary authorities?
5 Q. Well, I think —			5 A. Yes, sir.
6 A. Myself and eleven other unbiased jurors determined that.			6 Q. They asked you the same question Judge Pauley asked you
7 Q. Do you have a better handle on what the word “bias” means			7 three or four days later, didn’t they?
8 than you do on what the word “irrational” means?			8 A. I’m not specifically sure.
9 A. Absolutely. I’ve been a plaintiff and a defendant and I’ve			9 Q. Let’s look at the second page. Page 2, item number 2, asks
10 also represented plaintiffs and defendants.			10 for your residence, and it says, “I reside at 2385 Barker
11 Q. Okay. So is it your testimony that you resided at both			11 Avenue, apartment 3H, Bronx, New York, 10467,” correct?
12 places, both the Bronx and Bronxville, when you were questioned			12 A. Yes.
13 on voir dire on March 1?			13 Q. When you were asked that question on February 26th, the
14 A. If that was the date, yes.			14 date you executed the affidavit, you lived on Barker Avenue in
15 (Continued next page)			15 the Bronx, but a few days later, on March 2nd, when Judge
16			16 Pauley asked you the identical question, you resided in
17			17 Bronxville in Westchester, correct?
18			18 A. Yes, I answered that, correct.
19			19 Q. Why?
20			20 A. Because I just thought of myself having two residences.
21			21 Q. Why didn’t you put them both down?
22			22 A. I really don’t know. At that time I don’t know.
23			23 Q. Why did you put the Bronx down on one and tell Judge Pauley
24			24 Bronx Village on the other.
25			25 A. Bronxville.
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1 Q. Look at the heading “March 2nd.” Do you see the heading on			1 Q. Bronxville.
2 the transcript “March 2, 2011”?			2 A. Probably because it was a little more reputable.
3 A. [REDACTED], yes.			3 Q. Were you embarrassed by living in the Bronx?
4 Q. You were asked where you resided, and you said you resided			4 A. No.
5 in Bronxville, but you actually resided in two places?			5 Q. What does the fact that Bronxville is more reputable than
6 A. Both, yes.			6 the Bronx have to do with anything?
7 Q. You resided both places, I see. Now, you filed two days			7 A. The average household income.
8 earlier a sworn affidavit with the First Department			8 Q. Why did it matter to you that you portray yourself in this
9 disciplinary committee, is that correct?			9 court as living in a more affluent area than you actually lived
10 A. Yes. I don’t know if it was two days prior, but around			10 in?
11 there.			11 A. You’re from Chicago. You don’t really know that. So I
12 Q. They asked you where you lived, didn’t they?			12 don’t know how to answer your question.
13 A. I don’t specifically recall.			13 Q. You don’t know how to answer my question because you don’t
14 Q. Let’s see if we can help.			14 know what I don’t know?
15 A. Thank you.			15 A. I don’t know how to answer that even.
16 Q. If you would look at Exhibit 21, tab 21 in your book. Is			16 Q. That I’m not surprised by.
17 this the affidavit you filed in support of your application to			17 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
18 be reinstated to the practice of law?			18 THE COURT: Sustained. Put a question to the witness.
19 A. It seems to be, yes, sir.			19 The last question was unanswerable.
20 Q. Was it filed on February 28th in the Supreme Court			20 Q. Ms. Conrad, was it your intention to portray yourself to
21 Appellate Division First Department?			21 this Court as living in a more affluent area than you actually
22 A. Yes.			22 lived in?
23 Q. Was the affidavit executed by you two days earlier, on			23 A. No, not really. No, I never thought of it like that.
24 February 26th?			24 Q. Isn’t that what you just said?
25 A. Let me get there. If that’s the date I signed, it is.			25 A. Bronxville is an affluent community. My parents are there,

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1	I’m from there. I live there sometimes. I live at my Bronx		1	A. I did not wake up in Bronxville that day, probably not.
2	address also.		2	Q. So you told a deliberate lie that day, correct?
3	Q. [REDACTED], my question is, did you say that you lived in		3	A. No.
4	Bronxville in order to portray yourself as living in a more		4	Q. Was it an accidental misstatement?
5	affluent community than you actually live in?		5	A. No.
6	A. No, not specifically, no.		6	Q. Was it an oversight?
7	Q. When you said a few minutes ago that the reason that you		7	MR. OKULA: Judge, we have been through this several
8	gave the Bronxville address was because it was a little bit		8	times.
9	more of an affluent community, that wasn’t true?		9	THE COURT: Overruled.
10	A. My statement was true, but you’re twisting it, obviously.		10	A. No. I consider myself having two residences.
11	Q. Why don’t you tell me why, having sworn to the bar		11	Q. Then why didn’t you tell the truth when you were asked that
12	authorities on February 26th that you lived in the Bronx, you		12	question?
13	swore to Judge Pauley on March 2nd that you lived in		13	A. I did.
14	Bronxville. Tell us why.		14	Q. Did you say, I have two residences and, by the way, I’ve
15	A. I consider myself living in both places.		15	been on both sides of criminal cases? Did you say that?
16	Q. Why didn’t you tell the Court that you lived both places?		16	A. I wasn’t asked that, sir.
17	A. Probably so I would be more marketable as a juror.		17	Q. We’ll come to that. Did you say that you had two
18	Q. Have you done any jury trials as a lawyer?		18	residences?
19	A. Nonjury. No. One a few years ago.		19	A. No.
20	Q. Why did you want to be more marketable as a juror?		20	Q. Did you tell the disciplinary authorities that you had two
21	A. Because I knew I could be fair and unbiased. As I did		21	residences?
22	mention a few minutes ago, I’ve been a plaintiff and a		22	A. They know.
23	defendant on both the civil and the criminal sides, and I have		23	Q. Did you tell the disciplinary authorities in your affidavit
24	also represented plaintiffs and defendants on both sides, and		24	that you resided in Bronxville?
25	been unemployed, out of the courtroom. And I had never had a		25	A. Not in this one.
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1	tax shelter case or experience with tax law, and I knew I could		1	Q. Not in this one. Do you remember that a couple of years
2	be an unbiased juror.		2	before this you were sworn to give a deposition under oath?
3	Q. Because you knew that you could be an unbiased juror, you		3	A. March 24, 2009.
4	decided to lie to get on a jury, is that right?		4	Q. You do remember, don’t you.
5	A. Probably subconsciously.		5	A. Yes, I do.
6	Q. Subconsciously, Ms. Conrad, you wanted to do something		6	Q. You were asked where you lived, weren’t you?
7	worthwhile, is that right?		7	A. Probably.
8	MR. OKULA: Objection to the form, your Honor.		8	Q. You said, truthfully, that you lived on Barker Avenue in
9	THE COURT: Overruled.		9	the Bronx, didn’t you?
10	A. I don’t know how you can characterize “worthwhile.” If		10	A. I don’t recall specifically.
11	it’s sending a — rendering a verdict which I felt was just.		11	Q. [REDACTED], you’ve lived on Barker Avenue in the Bronx for many
12	then I can agree with you. But if there’s something ulterior		12	years, isn’t that true?
13	to your question, I don’t know how to answer that.		13	A. Sure.
14	Q. When you started just then to say “sending a” and then you		14	Q. And every one of your neighbors on the third floor knows
15	stopped, were you going to say sending a criminal to jail? Is		15	who you are, don’t they?
16	that what you were about to say?		16	A. Probably.
17	A. No.		17	Q. Because you and your husband are constantly, every day and
18	Q. You wanted to be part of the process, didn’t you. [REDACTED]?		18	night, engaged in screaming and fights and insults and threats,
19	A. Sure.		19	right?
20	Q. You wanted to be part of this process so badly that you		20	MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor. Relevance.
21	made yourself look like a different juror than you were,		21	THE COURT: Overruled.
22	different person than you were?		22	A. Probably.
23	A. That’s not for me to judge.		23	Q. Yeah, probably. The police are there all the time, aren’t
24	Q. Can we agree that you lied about where you resided on March		24	they?
25	2nd?		25	A. No.

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1	Q. How often do the police come to your apartment?		1	were telling the truth or lying to determining whether
2	A. The last time someone came to my apartment was when the		2	witnesses were telling the truth or lying?
3	marshals served me to come here back in December.		3	A. That’s a nice spin on it.
4	Q. When was the last time a New York police officer came to		4	Q. Do you have an answer to it?
5	your apartment?		5	A. After all the evidence in the trial, it was overwhelming.
6	A. Maybe three, four years ago.		6	and our verdict was a true, unbiased, fair verdict.
7	Q. So, you have been living there for at least three or four		7	Q. So the end justifies the means, is that right?
8	years, right?		8	MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
9	A. Haven’t we established this?		9	THE COURT: Sustained as to form.
10	Q. I guess we have, [REDACTED]. Have we established that you told		10	Q. Let me try one more time. Did you apply your personal
11	this lie on purpose?		11	sense of truthfulness to your evaluation of the witnesses who
12	A. No.		12	testified in this case?
13	Q. Let’s move on to the next question you were asked. You		13	A. I believe all 12 of us jurors did.
14	told a deliberate lie in response to that question, did you		14	Q. I didn’t ask about anybody but you. Did you apply your
15	not?		15	personal sense of truthfulness to evaluating the witnesses that
16	A. You didn’t ask me a question. What are you talking about,		16	you heard in this case?
17	sir?		17	A. I can say so.
18	Q. Let’s look at again page 203, lines 10 through 12.		18	Q. You agree with me that when you said you had lived in
19	A. Of what exhibit? I’m sorry.		19	Bronxville your whole life, that was not true, correct?
20	Q. Exhibit number 2.		20	A. I’ve lived many places. That is my permanent residence
21	A. OK.		21	and — the horse is dead.
22	Q. The second question Judge Pauley asked you was, “How long		22	Q. Did you make a deliberate decision to say that you lived
23	have you lived at your current address?” and your answer was,		23	there your whole life when in fact you had lived in the Bronx
24	”My whole life”?		24	or Brooklyn or other places?
25	A. That’s correct.		25	A. Please repeat it. I didn’t say Brooklyn on voir dire.
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1	Q. Now, [REDACTED], am I right in thinking that that was a lie?		1	Q. You have lived various places in your life, have you not?
2	A. No.		2	A. [REDACTED], yes.
3	Q. Had you lived in Bronxville your whole life?		3	Q. That statement that you just made, “[REDACTED], yes,” is
4	A. It’s my permanent address my whole life. I went to school		4	inconsistent with the statement that you made to Judge Pauley
5	in Boston, I went to school in Brooklyn, I studied abroad for		5	when he asked how long have you lived in Bronxville?
6	two summers in Israel. That has been my permanent address,		6	A. I consider it my whole life because that is my other
7	sir.		7	residence and that’s my permanent residence.
8	Q. When Judge Pauley asked you how long you have lived at your		8	Q. Then the Court asked you, “Do you own or rent?” So we have
9	current address, you said your whole life, correct?		9	tell the truth about that. You were asked where you lived, and you didn’t
10	A. I just said that, correct.		10	there —
11	Q. OK. We have established that you live on a day-to-day		11	A. That’s your interpretation.
12	basis on Barker Avenue and that you have for years, right?		12	Q. OK. And you didn’t tell the truth about that either.
13	A. Correct.		13	Let’s go to the third question, “Do you own or rent?” You said
14	Q. So you lied to the judge?		15	”We own.”
15	A. I consider myself having two residences.		16	A. That was a lie, to skip questions 10 to a hundred.
16	Q. Let me try and ask a more specific question. If a person		17	Q. That was a lie, too?
17	were to say “Where do you live?” and you were to say a place		18	A. Correct.
18	where you do not live on a regular basis as the answer to that,		19	Q. Why did you tell it?
19	do you consider that to be a lie?		20	A. I thought I would seem more juror marketable (gesturing).
20	A. I consider your hypothetical a little silly.		21	Q. You really wanted to be on this jury?
21	Q. It’s actually what happened, right? Let me ask you this.		22	A. Yeah. I knew I could do a fair, unbiased job.
22	Do you understand that the main job of a juror is to determine		23	Q. Seems like a strange way to start, by lying, doesn’t it?
23	who is telling the truth and who is lying?		24	MR. OKULA: Objection.
24	A. Of course.		25	THE COURT: Sustained.
25	Q. Did you apply that same actumen in determining whether you

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1 Q. Had it occurred to you when you were telling these lies			1 that date?
2 that it was an odd way to start service as a juror, to lie to			2 A. Maybe 25. I’m not really sure.
3 the Court?			3 Q. What was the truthful answer to “What is he retired from,“
4 A. I don’t know.			4 [REDACTED]?
5 Q. You don’t remember whether it occurred to you or not?			5 A. Being a businessman.
6 A. It’s a weird question, sir.			6 Q. When was the last time he was a businessman?
7 Q. It’s a weird answer, [REDACTED].			7 A. I guess maybe 20 years ago.
8 MR. OKULA: Objection, Judge.			8 Q. What he was actually retired from was being a criminal,
9 THE COURT: Sustained. Please put a question to the			9 right?
10 witness.			10 A. Please.
11 Q. [REDACTED], was it a deliberate lie? Did you know you were			11 Q. Well —
12 lying when you said it?			12 A. I don’t understand your question.
13 A. Yes.			13 Q. What has your husband done since he left the New Jersey
14 then the judge asked you “Who are the other members of your			14 penitentiary in 2004?
15 household?” You said, “I live with my husband. He’s retired			15 A. He’s been a very faithful, good husband.
16 at the present time,” correct?			16 Q. Has he had a job?
17 A. Yes.			17 A. No.
18 Q. That was true, that you lived with your husband, correct?			18 Q. Did you think that you were misleading the Court by saying,
19 A. Yes.			19 in answer to the question “What is he retired from,” “He owns
20 Q. But you never lived with your husband at the address you			20 some bus companies”?
21 had given, correct?			21 A. Owned.
22 A. I didn’t give any address on voir dire.			22 Q. That’s not what the transcript says. But let’s say you
23 Q. You never lived with your husband at your parents’ house in			23 said “owned.” Did you think you were misleading the Court when
24 Bronxville, did you?			24 the judge said, “What is he retired from?” and you said, “He
25 A. No, no.			25 owned some bus companies”?
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1 Q. So, you created a false impression that you and your			1 A. No, of course not.
2 husband owned a house there, correct?			2 Q. That wasn’t misleading at all?
3 A. I don’t know what the judge’s impression was.			3 A. No.
4 Q. You were trying to create a false impression that you and			4 Q. Did you apply that same standard of what is or is not
5 your husband were homeowners who owned a house and lived in			5 misleading in acquitting your function as a juror?
6 Bronxville, correct?			6 A. I don’t really know what your question means.
7 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor. I don’t think			7 Q. My question means you have an idea of what is misleading
8 there is anything mentioned about a house there.			8 and what is not misleading, right?
9 THE COURT: Overruled.			9 A. Of course.
10 A. I don’t know.			10 Q. You think that what you said here about the bus companies
11 Q. You told the juror that he was retired, and the Court said,			11 is not misleading, correct?
12 “What is he retired from”?			12 A. Not at all. Maybe it’s a transcription, “own” or “owned.”
13 A. Yes.			13 That’s it.
14 Q. You said he owned some bus companies?			14 Q. In fact, did you apply that same standard in your mind of
15 A. Bus companies, yes.			15 what is or is not misleading in evaluating the evidence in this
16 Q. What bus companies does he own?			16 case?
17 A. That was 30 years ago. My husband is 21 years older than I			17 A. Of course we had to, and I had to, and I did.
18 am. Somewhere in Jersey.			18 Q. Then the Court asked you, “Do you work outside the home?“
19 Q. Do you know the name of a bus company?			19 And you answered, “No, I’m a stay-at-home wife,” right?
20 A. Chinese ones that explode on I-95. I don’t know. No, not			20 A. Correct.
21 really.			21 Q. Then the Court asked you, “Do you have any children,” and
22 Q. You said he owns some bus companies. Did he own any bus			22 you said, “No.”
23 companies at the time of the voir dire?			23 A. I should have said that I know of. But no, you’re correct.
24 A. [REDACTED], no, no.			24 Q. Then the judge said, “What is the highest level of
25 Q. He had not owned any bus companies for some 30 years before			25 education you have attained?”

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1 A. Sir, are we still on 203?			1 Q. Because you suspected that it would stop you from getting
2 Q. Yes.			2 on the jury, you made a deliberate decision, having sworn an
3 A. All right.			3 oath to tell the truth, you made a deliberate decision to lie
4 Q. Actually, it goes over to 204.			4 to this Court?
5 A. OK, thank you. Yes.			5 A. I don’t know if I was sworn at that point, but I did not
6 Q. Did you have any trouble understanding the question that			6 reveal the fact that I had a JD and was an attorney.
7 Judge Pauley asked you?			7 Q. No, no, that’s not the question I asked. The question
8 A. Not at all.			8 asked is, did you make a deliberate decision to lie to the
9 Q. Did you know that Judge Pauley was going to ask you that			9 Court?
10 question or something very like it?			10 A. Are we getting into the semantics of omissions again?
11 A. Yes, because the prior day the same questions were asked of			11 Q. Did you make a deliberate decision to lie to the Court
12 the other potential jurors.			12 about your highest level of education?
13 Q. When did you make the decision about how you were going to			13 A. Yes.
14 answer that question? Was it right then when he asked you or			14 Q. Did you do that because you believed that otherwise you
15 was it before then?			15 would not be permitted to be on this jury?
16 A. I think it was during the break between the two days.			16 A. Yes.
17 Q. Can you remember how you reached the conclusion that you			17 Q. So it was your idea to thwart the voir dire process by
18 should tell a lie in answer to that question?			18 telling the Court something that wasn’t true about your
19 A. Because I knew that anybody with a JD or legal experience			19 background?
20 would be bounced.			20 A. I guess if you want to characterize it that way.
21 Q. That’s because there were lawyers who were on trial, right?			21 Q. You said, “I have a BA in English literature in classics
22 A. I don’t think the jury knew at that point that there were			22 and I studied archeology abroad,” right?
23 attorneys on trial. I’m not sure. I’m not sure.			23 A. Correct.
24 Q. You knew, because Judge Pauley summarized the charges for			24 Q. Did you remember at that moment that you studied law at the
25 you before the voir dire started, that there were lawyers on			25 Brooklyn Law School?
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1 trial charged with tax fraud in connection with a tax shelter			1 A. Of course.
2 scheme, didn’t you?			2 Q. At any point after you told these lies about your
3 A. Yes, I remember now, yes.			3 residence, about how long you lived there, about your owning
4 Q. Now that you remember, you knew that there’s no way that a			4 your place, about your highest level of education, at any time
5 lawyer would be left on a jury to decide the conduct of lawyers			5 did you think to yourself, wow, what I just did was wrong?
6 who were being charged with a crime, right?			6 A. Of course I knew it was wrong.
7 A. No, I didn’t know that.			7 Q. But did you think to yourself, what I just did was wrong?
8 Q. Didn’t you just say that?			8 A. You just asked me that question.
9 A. I didn’t know that for a fact.			9 Q. And I’m asking it again because I didn’t get an answer.
10 Q. Did you strongly suspect that you would not be allowed to			10 Did you think that?
11 sit on the jury if you revealed that you were a lawyer?			11 A. Yes.
12 A. Of course.			12 Q. How many times did you think that?
13 Q. That was connected, was it not, to the fact that there were			13 A. I really don’t know, sir.
14 lawyers on trial here, right?			14 Q. Was it present in your mind throughout the trial that you
15 A. No, no. In any jury nobody wants an attorney. A jury			15 had lied in order to get on the jury?
16 trial does not want an attorney sitting as a juror.			16 A. Probably.
17 Q. If you were trying a case as a lawyer, you wouldn’t want an			17 Q. Did you tell other people that you had lied to get on the
18 attorney on your jury either, would you?			18 jury?
19 A. That’s incorrect.			19 A. I don’t think so, not that I recall.
20 Q. So you’re not included in the “no one” you just referred			20 Q. Did you tell other people that you had concealed things to
21 to?			21 get on the jury?
22 A. I’m not sure.			22 A. I don’t think so.
23 Q. Didn’t you just say no one would want an attorney on their			23 Q. Did you tel

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1	the answer is no.
4	I just handed it to Juror No. 2, who was our forewoman, and she
s	submitted it to the Court.
7	present in your mind that you had lied to get on to this jury?
9	room deliberations, sir.
10	THE COURT: You can answer that question.
13	present in your mind that you had lied to get on the jury?
16	rendered your verdict, when did you stop having it present in
17	your mind thinking about the fact that you had lied to get on
16	theiliry?
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		3	fall and nobody sees it. No. of course the answer is no.
		S	lawyer?
		10	you whether you were a lawyer?
		13	school, you would have been asked, right?
		15	me from the jury?
		17	were being asked specific questions, did you tell the judge
		18	anything that was true besides your admiration for Swann,
		19	the fact that you have no children” Did you tell him anything
		20	that was true?
3	just like he did?
6	December 15th to tell you to come to court. did you tell the
7	marshals that you had lied about not being a lawyer?
10	serve you at your house?
is	I know what this is about?
17	stay outside. But specifically I don’t really recall what I
18	said.
21	lawyer?
23	me the subpoena. and that was about it.
25	had the belief that you didn’t lie about being a lawyer because
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		1	residence in Brunxville, not Bronx Village. There were only
		2	seven questions that were posed, I believe.
		5	questions that were asked to the jury panel as a white and then
		6	individually. I revealed the fact that well, whatever you
		7	said before.
		9	last question. That question is, “The Court: All right. Is
		10	thtle anything you think it would be important for us to know
		12	as a juror in this case?” Do you remember him asking that
		13	question?
		16	still available.”
		24	important for us to know about you in making a decision as to
		25	whether you should serve as a juror?

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1 A. I’m sorry. Are you reading from the transcript?			1 A. I answered the question.
2 Q. Just asking you a question.			2 Q. Did you think it would be important for us to know that?
3 A. [REDACTED]			3 A. No, because remission is remission.
4 Q. When you said that the only thing you thought was relevant			4 THE WITNESS: And I don’t think this is the proper
5 for us to know was that you were willing to serve three months			5 forum to me to give a blank HIPAA authorization for the world.
6 or more, did you think there was anything else that we might be			6 Judge.
7 interested in?			7 Q. Let me just ask my questions and go from there. Your
8 A. Of course. The fact that I had a JD.			8 belief was it would not have been of any relevance to us to
9 Q. The fact that the Appellate Division had found in December			9 know that you were an alcoholic, is that right?
10 2007 that your conduct “evinces a shocking disregard for the			10 A. However you want to characterize it.
11 judicial system,” would that have been relevant?			11 Q. Would it have been of any relevance to the Court, do you
12 A. No, because it’s boilerplate in the First Department to say			12 think it would have been of importance to the Court to know
13 that.			13 that you had been suspended from the practice of law on grounds
14 MR. GAIR: Your Honor, at this point I move the			14 of disability by reason of mental or physical infirmity?
15 admission of PMD Exhibit 14, which is the December 18, 2007			15 A. Do I think it would have been important?
16 report.			16 Q. Yes.
17 THE COURT: Any objection?			17 A. It’s not the truth. It’s the boilerplate First Department
18 MR. OKULA: No, your Honor.			18 renderings.
19 THE COURT: PMD Exhibit 14 is received in evidence.			19 MR. GAIR: Your Honor, I move the admission of PMD
20 (Exhibit PMD 14 received in evidence)			20 Exhibit 20, which is the Supreme Court Appellate Division’s
21 Q. Whether or not you think it is boilerplate, do you think			21 order of December 9, 2010, Presiding Justice Sachs, Justices
22 that I might want to know that an appellate panel had found			22 [REDACTED], Sweeney, Nardelli, and McGuire.
23 that your conduct evinces a shocking disregard for the judicial			23 MR. OKULA: No objection, your Honor.
24 system?			24 THE COURT: PMD Exhibit 20 is received in evidence.
25 A. If you take the boilerplate language literally.			25 (Exhibit PMD 20 received in evidence)
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1 Q. Do you think Judge Pauley would have wanted to know that?			1 MR. GAIR: Your Honor, I’d also like to offer PMD 17.
2 A. Of course.			2 which is the March 29, 2009, testimony of Catherine Conrad in
3 Q. But you didn’t tell him that, did you?			3 the Supreme Court Appellate Division departmental disciplinary
4 A. No.			4 committee.
5 Q. Did you think that we might want to know that you had			5 MR. OKULA: No objection.
6 suffered from a terrible disease of alcoholism for more than a			6 THE COURT: PMD Exhibit 17 is received in evidence.
7 decade? Did you think we might want to know that?			7 (Exhibit PMD 17 received in evidence)
8 A. That’s your twist on it.			8 Q. Now, you told the disciplinary committee in March of 2009
9 Q. Do you suffer from alcoholism?			9 that you were an alcoholic, correct?
10 A. One’s never cured.			10 A. I’m not sure of my specific words, sir.
11 Q. Have you suffered from alcoholism for more than a decade?			11 Q. If you look at Exhibit 17, page 54, line 3, the question
12 A. I don’t know.			12 was asked of you, “Have you been diagnosed by any doctor or any
13 Q. Have you been in and out of treatment programs?			13 facility as an alcoholic?
14 A. Yes, I did.			14 “A. Yes, and I have pancreatitis.”
15 Q. Have you admitted under oath you’re an alcoholic?			15 Was that the question and did you give that answer
16 A. I’m not sure.			16 under oath?
17 Q. Are you an alcoholic?			17 A. Yes, sir.
18 A. Probably.			18 Q. The pancreatitis in fact is related to alcoholism?
19 Q. Do you think that we would have wanted to know, that the			19 A. Yes.
20 Court would have wanted to know, that you had suffered from			20 Q. Did you think it would be important for the Court to know.
21 alcoholism?			21 in judging your fitness as a juror, that your first attempt to
22 A. I’m not the Court. I can’t judge that.			22 be reinstated to the practice of law was rejected by the court
23

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1 Q. Did you attempt to be reinstated to the practice of law			1 Q. 2½ years before February of 2011 would have been —
2 before February of 2011?			2 A. August 2009.
3 A. I submitted my reinstatement papers, which we have already			3 Q. No, that would have been August 2008. 2½ years before
4 gone over, on February 28th, and they were signed on February			4 February of 2011?
5 26th of 2011.			5 A. Yes, you’re correct.
6 Q. Before that, though, you had tried to be reinstated a			6 Q. You were not abstinent from August 2008 on, were you
7 couple of years earlier, right?			7 [REDACTED]?
8 A. I was suspended indefinitely.			8 A. No.
9 Q. You tried to be reinstated, saying that your alcoholism was			9 Q. In fact, you got kicked out of a treatment program in
10 in remission, right?			10 August 2009 because you were drinking, correct?
11 A. The chronology of it is that you have to formally submit			11 A. It was either 2008 or 2009. I’m not specifically certain
12 the reinstatement documents, which happened on February 28,			12 on that.
13 2011. I did not submit any reinstatement documents before that			13 Q. Let’s see if we can help you on that. Exhibit Number 29,
14 time.			14 if you would.
15 Q. Let’s go to this reinstatement petition, which is			15 MR. GAIR: Your Honor, I move the admission of PMD
16 Exhibit 21, which I believe is already in evidence. Can you			16 number 29, which is a multipage document relating to a case
17 look at Exhibit 21. In particular I’d like you to look at			17 called the People of the State of New York v. Catherine M.
18 Exhibit 4 to that submission, which is a report from Dr. [REDACTED]			18 Rosa?
19 Seligman.			19 THE COURT: Any objection?
20 THE WITNESS: Judge, do I have to go through this in			20 MR. OKULA: No objection, your Honor.
21 open court?			21 THE COURT: PMD Exhibit 29 is received in evidence.
22 THE COURT: Yes. I have ruled on that. I’m directing			22 (Exhibit PMD 29 received in evidence)
23 you to answer. I overruled your counsel’s application.			23 Q. Do you sometimes go by the name of Catherine Rosa?
24 Q. Do you see Dr. Seligman’s report?			24 A. Socially.
25 A. Yes, sir.			25 Q. When you were arrested for petit larceny in 2009, did you
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1 Q. You submitted this report as part of your petition for			1 give the name to the police Catherine Rosa?
2 reinstatement, correct?			2 A. Yes, sir.
3 A. Yes.			3 Q. If you look at page 4, a number at the lower right-hand
4 Q. Did you review the report before you submitted it?			4 corner of the document says 16-4. It’s a report from the
5 A. Yes.			5 Westchester Department of Community Mental Health. Do you see
6 Q. Did you write the report or did he?			6 that?
7 A. I think it was a combination of him and my attorney.			7 A. Yes.
8 Q. Him and your attorney wrote the report?			8 Q. You were receiving treatment at the Maxwell Institute?
9 A. Mm-hm.			9 A. Yes. It was part of St. Vincent’s, yes.
10 Q. If you would look on the second page of Dr. Seligman’s			10 Q. Maxwell Institute reported in October of 2009 that you were
11 report, it says near the bottom of the middle paragraph, “She			11 negatively discharged from the program in August 2009 due to
12 has taken the appropriate and effective actions to help			12 ongoing use of alcohol?
13 herself.” Do you see that?			13 A. Yes, that’s true.
14 A. Which paragraph, sir?			14 Q. You were recommended for a higher level of care, correct?
15 Q. The middle paragraph, the third paragraph on the second			15 A. That’s what the report says.
16 page.			16 Q. Were you recommended for a higher level of care?
17 A. [REDACTED], yes.			17 A. No.
18 Q. “She has taken the appropriate and effective actions to			18 Q. You didn’t get it, right, a higher level of care?
19 help herself,” correct?			19 A. Clinically what do you mean?
20 A. Yes.			20 Q. If you don’t understand what I mean, I’ll move on to
21 Q. Then it says, “She has been abstinent for over 2½ years and			21 another question.
22 has been committed to her recovery plan.”			22 A. Thank you.
23 A. Yes.			23 Q. You submitted a report from Dr. Seligman that was
24 Q. Correct?			24 inaccurate in that it said that you had been abstinent for 2½
25 A. Yes.			25 years when you had not been abstinent for 2½ years?

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1 A. I was at that time, yes, I was.			1 influence, correct?
2 Q. Now I’d like you to look at Exhibit 21, which is your			2 A. 1997?
3 petition, and specifically paragraph 24 of that petition. This			3 Q. In April of 1998 you were convicted of DUI, correct?
4 is the petition you filed at the end of February 2011, right?			4 A. That was the second one, yes, sir.
5 A. February 28, correct.			5 Q. In the first incident you were charged not only with DUI
6 Q. Under oath. You said that you had not been arrested,			6 but with assault, correct?
7 charged with, indicted, convicted, tried, and/or pleaded guilty			7 A. Either the first or the second. I’m not sure.
8 to the following violations, misdemeanors, and/or felonies			8 Q. In the one where you were charged with assault, who did you
9 during the period of your discipline, correct?			9 assault?
10 A. Correct.			10 A. I believe I punched the cop in his stomach. But that was
11 Q. An outright lie, correct?			11 dropped.
12 A. Yes.			12 Q. That conviction for DUI that involved an arrest for
13 Q. Because you were arrested not once but twice in shoplifting			13 assault, resisting arrest, harassment, and leaving the scene of
14 cases, were you not?			14 the accident, do you think that would have been something that
15 A. Yes.			15 was responsive to Judge Pauley’s question about arrests?
16 Q. You were shoplifting very small items from convenience			16 A. Yes.
17 stores, correct?			17 Q. Did you make a deliberate decision to lie about that?
18 A. They obviously weren’t that convenient.			18 A. I omitted deliberating, yes.
19 Q. Is there something that you think is funny about these			19 Q. That’s the same as a lie, right?
20 proceedings?			20 A. If it has to be folded into that characterization.
21 A. Not at all.			21 Q. In your mind, in your norms, does that have to be folded
22 Q. Do you know that you lied your way on to a jury and your			22 into that characterization?
23 conduct could send people to prison?			23 MR. OKULA: Objection to the form, your Honor.
24 MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.			24 THE COURT: Overruled.
25 THE COURT: Sustained.			25 A. Yes.
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1 Q. Why did you steal envelopes and newspapers and greeting			1 Q. So, you lied about that first arrest and conviction, and
2 cards from a convenience store?			2 then you lied by not revealing that you had another arrest and
3 A. I didn’t. It was a bag of shrimp.			3 conviction in September of 1998, correct?
4 Q. So, if the indictment said that you were stealing greeting			4 A. ■, no. It was I believe April of ‘98 was the second DUI.
5 cards, you never stole any greeting cards, you only stole a bag			5 Q. So you had two DUI convictions?
6 of shrimp?			6 A. Yes, sir.
7 A. Yes, sir.			7 Q. You also had a conviction for aggravated harassment,
8 Q. In both cases, did you steal two bags of shrimp, one in			8 correct?
9 each store?			9 A. Yes.
10 A. I don’t recall what the other one was.			10 Q. And criminal contempt?
11 Q. Why did you steal a bag of shrimp?			11 A. I believe so.
12 A. I was drunk.			12 Q. That was because you had violated the protection order and
13 Q. Was that during the period of your abstinence?			13 you were threatening a romantic rival?
14 A. The question sort of doesn’t make sense, right?			14 A. It was phonecalls.
15 Q. Do you even remember what you stole from the other store?			15 Q. You were threatening her over the phone?
16 A. It might have been a videotape.			16 A. Correct.
17 Q. The whole venire was asked questions at jury selection			17 Q. Would you say that that was rational behavior?
18 about whether or not they had ever been arrested for or			18 A. Not when one is drinking.
19 convicted of a crime, correct?			19 Q. It’s not even rational when one is not drinking, correct?
20 A. I remember, correct.			20 A. I can’t be the judge of that.
21 Q. You knew at the time that that question was asked that the			21 Q. Did you think that you should have revealed that answer in
22 truthful answer was that you had been arrested and convicted of			22 response to the Court’s question?
23 crimes, correct?			23 A. Yes.
24 A. Yes.			24 Q. You made a deliberate decision not to do so, correct?
25 Q. You had been arrested and convicted for driving under the			25 A. Yes.

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1	Q. When you did you make the deliberate decision not to reveal		1	Q. How did a judge in the Bronx come to rule upon whether or
2	your criminal arrests and convictions?		2	not a warrant was issued by a different sovereign was defective
3	A. Monday, March 1st, I believe was the first day of voir		3	or not?
4	dire, and I was sitting in the third seat. Judge Pauley		4	A. Because I was a plaintiff in a personal injury case, and
5	started the questioning the second day, I believe that was		5	the defense, I guess ran, ran me, for lack of better terms, and
6	Tuesday, March 2nd, with me. It was probably that evening		6	they came up with this warrant and they wanted to bring it up
7	between the 1st and the 2nd.		7	at trial, and the judge said it’s a defective warrant.
8	Q. You thought that you would get thrown off the jury if you		8	Q. I see. So the judge excluded it from evidence, correct?
9	told the truth, right?		9	A. Yes, sir.
10	A. Probably.		10	Q. Did the judge tell you that the warrant — when was this
11	Q. That’s why you lied about it?		11	hearing that the judge did this on?
12	A. Yes.		12	A. July 2, 2010.
13	Q. You also lied in not disclosing the fact that you were		13	Q. Now —
14	arrested in Winslow, Arizona, on August 4th of 2007, correct?		14	A. Somewhere about.
15	A. I have no idea what the date was.		15	Q. At any time between August 4, 2007 and July 2, 2010, did
16	Q. Do you know that you were arrested in a place called		16	you have reason to believe that there was a warrant for your
17	Winslow, Arizona?		17	arrest?
18	A. Yes, where I was — yes.		18	A. Just because I know what happens to people who don’t show
19	Q. When you were arrested in Winslow, Arizona, that was a		19	up for court, but besides that, no physical proof, no.
20	pretty memorable incident, right?		20	Q. So although you did not physically have a copy of the
21	A. I remember it, of course.		21	warrant, you knew that people who do not show up for court get
22	Q. Of course, because you called the police and told them that		22	a warrant issued by the Court, correct?
23	your husband was beating you, but you ended up being the one		23	A. Yes, sir.
24	who got arrested, correct?		24	Q. Did you think that that is something that if Judge Pauley
25	A. Yes, sir.		25	knew about it that you had skipped on an OR bond and a warrant
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1	Q. For disorderly conduct, right?		1	had been issued, did you think that would keep you off this
2	A. Yes.		2	jury?
3	Q. You were released on a recognizance bond, correct?		3	A. I’m not in a position to answer that.
4	A. There was no bond.		4	Q. Why did you hide it, then?
5	Q. Do you know what a cognizance bond means?		5	A. I wasn’t really thinking about that specific instance.
6	A. I know I was ROR’d.		6	Q. Had you — when Judge Pauley asked those questions about
7	Q. OR’d?		7	your being — you understood what the word “arrest” meant?
8	A. ROR’d.		8	A. Yes, sir.
9	Q. So you were let go on a bond that was simply your promise		9	Q. And you were arrested in August 2007 in Arizona, right?
10	to appear for the next hearing, correct?		10	A. If that’s the date, yes.
11	A. I’m not sure.		11	Q. Had you forgotten about that incident?
12	Q. Did you appear for the next hearing?		12	A. Of course not.
13	A. [REDACTED], no.		13	Q. So did you make a deliberate decision not to disclose that
14	Q. Have you ever appeared for the next hearing?		14	incident to Judge Pauley?
15	A. I’ve never subsequently been in Arizona.		15	A. No. It was part of the larger decision not to mention any
16	Q. So you have never appeared for that next hearing, correct?		16	of the arrests, sir.
17	A. There was a defective warrant.		17	Q. Now, you recall that Judge Pauley also asked whether
18	Q. There was a defective warrant, what does that mean?		18	anybody’s spouse or family, close family member had any arrests
19	A. I believe there was no date or time or address on it.		19	or convictions. Do you recall that?
20	Q. So you knew a warrant was issued for you?		20	A. He addressed the chosen panel that was sitting there, yes,
21	A. Not really.		21	correct.
22	Q. How do you know it was defective if you don’t know it it		22	Q. And you understood that that included you.
23	was issued?		23	A. And my husband.
24	A. The judge in the Bronx deemed it that.		24	Q. You understood that you were being asked has your husband
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1	A. I understood that, sir.		1	voir dire commenced a year ago on March 1, because that was his
2	Q. And did you know in March of 2011 that your husband had		2	birthday.
3	been in fact arrested and convicted a number of times?		3	Q. Now, another question that was asked of the whole panel was
4	A. Yes, sir.		4	whether you or a close relative had ever been involved in or
5	Q. And did you know that he had been sentenced to prison in		5	appeared as a witness in a variety of types of investigations
6	1980 for receiving stolen property?		6	including investigations by licensing authorities.
7	A. No, not 1980.		7	A. Yes, sir. And in retrospect, I should have mentioned the
8	Q. Did you know that in 1981 he had been convicted of		8	disciplinary committee proceeding. I didn’t just connect the
9	possession of a controlled substance?		9	two at that time. And that was obviously a pertinent issue
10	A. Sir, I don’t know the dates. I thought it was in the ‘70s.		10	that should have been raised.
11	I’m not sure.		11	Q. I see. So on March 1st or 2nd, you didn’t think about the
12	Q. Did you know that he had been convicted of a probation		12	fact that you’d participated in a disciplinary proceeding?
13	violation and of making terroristic threats?		13	A. Please say it again.
14	A. That might have been ‘93. Vaguely I remember.		14	Q. When you were testifying as a juror, potential juror here
15	Q. Did you know that he’d been indicted for check fraud and		15	on March 1 and 2nd, you weren’t thinking about the fact that
16	unlawful possession of weapons?		16	you had participated in disciplinary proceedings?
17	A. That was in Manhattanville, Kentucky in like 1976 when he		17	A. No. I thought about testifying in my mind about having my
18	tried to board an airplane with a gun.		18	personal injury case and more along those lines. No, it didn’t
19	Q. So that’s not the incident in August of 1985 in New Jersey?		19	occur to me.
20	A. Sir, I was ten years old probably then. I don’t know. I		20	Q. Even though you had filed your petition for reinstatement a
21	can’t tell you.		21	day or two before that?
22	Q. Was he indicted a second time for receiving stolen property		22	A. I just didn’t look at it that way.
23	and burglary?		23	Q. You believed that by serving on this jury you could get
24	A. Sir, I don’t know.		24	some measure of vindication for yourself, didn’t you?
25	Q. Did he get 18 months in prison in 1993 for harassment,		25	A. Not at all. Vindication for what?
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1	burglary and terroristic threats?		1	Q. You believed that you could somehow vindicate yourself as
2	A. I don’t know.		2	having done something worthwhile after a career that was in
3	Q. Did you know that he was convicted for auto theft and		3	disgrace at that point?
4	served, got a ten-year prison sentence for that?		4	A. Are you trying to say that serving three months on a jury
5	A. No. Seven years, seven months.		5	is akin to some sort of penance? I don’t understand really
6	Q. Served seven years and seven months.		6	what you’re trying to tell me. It was my civic duty, which I
7	A. Paroled out, yes.		7	performed to the best of my capability and ability and I
8	Q. Did you know him while he was in prison?		8	believe I did it fairly, justly and unbiased.
9	A. No.		9	Q. Was it your civic duty to perjure yourself in this court?
10	Q. You met him afterwards?		10	A. It’s nobody’s.
11	A. Yes, sir.		11	Q. So you didn’t really do your civic duty, did you?
12	Q. And he disclosed his criminal history to you?		12	A. Of course. Rendering the just verdict in an unbiased
13	A. Yes.		13	fashion, I certainly did.
14	MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor, to marital		14	Q. If you were on trial for a crime, would you want to know
15	communications.		15	that one of the jurors who was judging the credibility of
16	THE COURT: I’ll sustain any further inquiry along		16	witnesses and had your fate in his or her hands had perjured
17	that line.		17	themselves repeatedly at voir dire? Would you want to know
18	Q. And you concealed your knowledge about your husband’s		18	that?
19	criminal career in order to make sure that you would get a seat		19	MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
20	on this jury, is that correct?		20	THE COURT: Overruled.
21	A. Yes, I concealed his career.		21	A. Probably not, if I was a good criminal.
22	Q. Does your father work for the Justice Department right now?		22	MR. GAIR: Your Honor, this would be a good place to
23	A. Yes, sir.		23	break.
24	Q. How old is he?		24	THE COURT: All right. We’re going to take a
25	A. On March 1 he’ll be 80. And I remember specifically that		25	ten-minute recess and then we’ll reconvene and endeavor to

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1	complete the witness.		1	Q. And you were so anxious to speak with them that you wrote a
2	(Recess)		2	letter to Mr. Okula the very next day, right?
3	THE COURT: Mr. Gair, you may continue.		3	A. I don’t know couching in those terms “so anxious” really is
4	BY MR. GAIR:		4	the correct way to do it, but —
5	Q. Ms. Conrad, do you have a driver’s license?		5	Q. Well, you wrote a letter to him in which you told him you
6	A. Yes.		6	wished that you would have had the opportunity to talk to him
7	Q. What name is on your drivers license?		7	correct?
8	A. My married name, Rosa.		8	A. [REDACTED] that’s correct, yes.
9	Q. So when you said you use Rosa socially, in fact you use it		9	Q. And you would have welcomed the pleasure to do so, right?
10	for legal purposes too, correct?		10	A. Yes.
11	A. Just on my license.		11	Q. Now, you never made any attempt to contact any of the
12	Q. And when you were arrested, correct?		12	defense lawyers and tell them you would have liked to talk to
13	A. I don’t think it matters what name a person uses when		13	them, right?
14	they’re arrested. Your NYSID follows you.		14	A. There was no reason to.
15	Q. Now, would I be right in thinking that you identified with		15	Q. But there was a reason to contact the prosecutor?
16	the prosecutors in this case?		16	A. Yes.
17	A. I don’t know what you think, sir.		17	Q. And not only — now, and you wrote a letter to Mr. Okula.
18	Q. Did you identify with the prosecutors in this case?		18	now, this is not preprinted stationery, right, that you wrote
19	A. I don’t know what that question means.		19	on?
20	Q. Well, you wrote to the prosecutors after the trial was		20	A. No, no.
21	over, correct?		21	Q. This is just a caption that you made up for the letter,
22	A. Correct.		22	correct?
23	Q. You didn’t write to any of the defense lawyers, correct?		23	A. Yeah, on my computer, yes.
24	A. That’s correct.		24	Q. On your computer. And where were you sitting when you
25	Q. And not only did you write to the prosecutors, but you		25	wrote that letter on your computer?
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1	wrote to the prosecutors the very day after the verdict, isn’t		1	A. In front of my cat.
2	that correct?		2	Q. In front of your cat. Was your cat located at 2385 South
3	A. I’m not really sure the exact date, sir. It was late May.		3	Barker Avenue or at 16 Parkview Drive at the time?
4	MR. GAIR: Your Honor, I’d move the admission of PMD		4	A. Neither. It’s Barker.
5	Exhibit 7.		5	Q. Where was your cat located at the time you wrote this
6	THE COURT: Any objection?		6	letter, [REDACTED]?
7	MR. OKULA: No objection, your Honor.		7	A. Next to my screen. On Barker Avenue, sir.
8	THE COURT: PMD Exhibit 7 is received in evidence.		8	Q. Yeah. And yet you put, once again, that the return address
9	(Exhibit PMD 7 received in evidence)		9	was 16 Parkview Avenue in Bronxville, New York, correct?
10	Q. And if you would look at Exhibit 7, tab 7, you wrote the		10	A. No, Drive.
11	prosecutors on May 25th of 2011, is that correct?		11	Q. You put the address was 16 Parkview Drive in Bronxville,
12	A. Yes.		12	correct?
13	Q. And that was one day after the verdict, the very day after.		13	A. Yes, mm-hmm. Yes.
14	A. I believe the verdict was the 24th. Correct.		14	Q. That’s not where you were when you wrote the letter, right?
15	Q. And you were very anxious to talk to the prosecutors,		15	A. Correct.
16	weren’t you?		16	Q. And that was not the address you were living at when you
17	A. Not just myself.		17	wrote the letter, correct?
18	Q. Of course, I didn’t ask you about anybody else. Were you		18	A. I still consider it both.
19	very anxious to talk to the prosecutors?		19	Q. And that is not the address that goes with the phone number
20	A. Yes. And along with the other eleven jurors, we had wanted		20	that you put right under that, is it?
21	to speak with them after the verdict, when Judge Pauley had		21	A. Excuse me, that’s my cell number.
22	come into the jury room to speak with us after.		22	Q. That’s exactly right. That is not your parents’ home phone
23	Q. Without worrying about what the eleven other people wanted		23	number at 16 Parkview Drive, is it, [REDACTED]?
24	or didn’t want, were you anxious to speak with them?		24	A. No, it’s my cell.
25	A. [REDACTED], sure.		25	Q. It’s your cell number. Why don’t you tell Judge Pauley why

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1	you put your cell number on your letter to Mr. Okula?
6	that way or not?
9	because that’s where you’re most accessible.
11	expectation of a call from Mr. Okula.
13	did you put a phone number on there?
16	on there, right?
19	Mr. Okula, correct?
12	letter was playful?
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1	THE COURT: You can answer the question.
4	that maybe he was on track to take Mr Bharara’s job from him?
it	Please.
10	that went with this address 16 Parks ins Drive. did you think
ii	about putting that phone number on the letterhead?
14	letterhead?
17	the letterhead?
19	letter I had done. It wasn’t conscious.
	21 probably cut and pasted from another letter’, Did you just make
22	that up?
25	any reason to believe that you cut and pasted this from another
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		1	letter.
		6	-I solely held out for two days on the conspiracy charge for
		7	him.” referring to David Pane. “I wanted to convict
		8	100 percent not only on that charge.” Do you remember that?
		12	MR. OKULA: Judge, object on 606 grounds.
		13	MR. GAIR: May I respond, your Honor?
		14	THE COURT: No. Overruled.
		16	the conspiracy charge for Parse. I wanted to convict
		17	IOC percent not only on that charge.’ Did you tell him that?
		20	Parse should not have been convicted of number I”?
			21 A. •, I don’t recall, sir.
		23	3. “For what? For what? I’ll retain myself or my husband.
		24	the convicted felon. For what? For what. sir? To say that I
		25	convicted everybody except the stupid Brubaker? Parse was an
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		1	idiot but we let him go because I had es idence enough that he
		2	really, he didn’t really, in my mind he shouldn’t have been
		3	convicted of number I.”
		4	Did you say that to Judge Pauley on December 20th?
		7	the day after the trial, correct?
		9	MR. GAIR: Your ;tenor, I’m going to ask that this
		10	witness be instructed not to discuss the jury deliberations. I
		11	didn’t ask about them.
		12	THE COURT: Please —
		la	THE COURT: Don’t discuss the deliberations or the
		15	split of the vote among the jury. Respect the sanctity of jury
		16	deliberations, Ms. Conrad.
		17	THE WITNESS: Yes.
		is	THE COURT: And respond directly to counsel’s
		19	questions.
		20 Q.	isn’t it true that the statement you made to Judge
		22	statement you made to Mr. Okula in his letter, in your letter
		23	of May 25th?

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1	been convicted of Count One and that a person should not have		1	Q. Did you believe that Mr. Brubaker was an idiot?
2	been convicted of Count One? Do you see the contradiction		2	A. Yes.
3	there?		3	Q. Did you believe Mr. Parse was just stupid?
4	MR. OKULA: Objection, Judge. Those are not the		4	A. For the backdating, yes.
5	facts.		5	Q. And do you believe that there’s really no reason for this
6	THE COURT: Yes, sustained.		6	hearing to be undertaken at all because these people are just
7	Q. Now, in the letter, in the letter you say — by the way,		7	fricken crooks and it doesn’t matter?
8	did you choose the stamp specially for this letter that you put		8	A. Is that a question?
9	on?		9	Q. Yes, it is.
10	A. What?		10	A. Well, the answer is no.
11	Q. Did you choose the stamp that you put on the letter		11	Q. Did you tell the Court that you thought this was all
12	specially?		12	ridiculous on December 20th because these people are fricken
13	A. I don’t know what you’re talking about.		13	crooks?
14	Q. Well, do you see the copy of the envelope?		14	A. I’m not sure.
15	A. That was, that was the eternity stamps or something like		15	MR. GAIR: May I have a moment, your Honor?
16	that.		16	THE COURT: Yes. Take your time.
17	Q. Do you see —		17	Q. Were you suspended in the Southern District of New York?
18	A. —		18	A. Sure. I must have been. Yes.
19	Q. Do you see what the stamp says?		19	Q. Did you know you were suspended in the Southern District of
20	A. Sorry. You’re going a little too far here, Mr. Gair.		20	New York when you testified at voir dire?
21	Q. I’m just asking you if you chose that stamp specially.		21	A. Yes. Yes.
22	A. I’m sure I didn’t.		22	MR. GAIR: Your Honor, I would move the admission of
23	Q. So you didn’t have any other stamps, this was just one that		23	several exhibits. PMD 1, 24, 25, 26 and 45.
24	was laying around?		24	MR. OKULA: No objection, your Honor.
25	A. A book of stamps is a book of stamps, sir.		25	THE COURT: All right. PMD Exhibits 1, 24, 25, 26 and
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1	Q. Now, in the letter in the second paragraph, you say, “I		1	45 are received in evidence.
2	thought that you, Miss [REDACTED] and Mr. [REDACTED] did an		2	(Exhibits PMD 1, 24, 25, 26 and 45 received in
3	outstanding job on behalf of our government.” Do you see that?		3	evidence)
4	A. Yes, sir.		4	MR. GAIR: Nothing further, your Honor. Thank you.
5	Q. Is there anything unusual that you see with your knowledge		5	THE COURT: Mr. Okula.
6	of English literature in that sentence?		6	MR. OKULA: I didn’t know if there were any other
7	MR. OKULA: Objection to the form, your Honor.		7	defense lawyers who intend to question.
8	A. I don’t know what that means.		8	THE COURT: Any other defense counsel wish to inquire?
9	THE COURT: Overruled.		9	MR. ROTERT: Thank you, your Honor, no inquiry for
10	Q. Okay. Did you capitalize the word “our”?		10	Ms. Guerin.
11	A. [REDACTED], yes.		11	THE COURT: Mr. Schectman?
12	Q. And did you capitalize the word “government”?		12	MR. SCHECTMAN: Briefly, Judge.
13	A. Yes.		13	THE COURT: Go ahead.
14	Q. Is it your opinion that in that sentence “our government”		14	DIRECT EXAMINATION
15	is a proper noun?		15	BY MR. SCHECTMAN:
16	A. Government is.		16	Q. Ms. Conrad, could you look at your letter to Mr. Okula
17	Q. Is “our government” a proper known?		17	again, Government Exhibit 1, I believe.
18	A. I don’t know.		18	A. Number 7, correct?
19	Q. You capitalized it not because you believed it was a proper		19	THE COURT: PMD 7.
20	noun, but because you wanted to emphasize that you were talking		20	Q. PMD 7. Do you have that?
21	about his government and your government, correct?		21	A. Yes, sir.
22	A. You’re slanting that. No.		22	Q. And I think your testimony was that as you sit here today
23	Q. Well, I didn’t use the word “our government” and I didn’t		23	you don’t recall why you capitalized “our government,” is that
24	capitalize it. Why did you do it?		24	correct?
25	A. I don’t know.		25	A. Yes.

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1 Q. You also say that you fought the good fight, correct?			1 Q. Well, you knew most of that stuff.
2 A. Yes.			2 A. I don’t even know if I knew most of it.
3 Q. And that was your way of telling Mr. Okula that you were			3 Q. You knew when you married him that he just finished a seven
4 fighting for his side.			4 and a half year sentence.
5 A. Not necessarily. After all of the evidence and			5 A. We got married three years after he finished his sentence.
6 deliberations, the jury felt that we reached a fair verdict.			6 Q. And you knew he was unemployed.
7 Q. I’m not asking about the jury. I’m asking about your			7 A. Yes.
8 writing “I fought the good fight.” That was your way of			8 Q. And you knew he hadn’t owned a bus company since 25 years?
9 telling Mr. Okula that you were fighting for his side.			9 A. About that.
10 A. At one point.			10 Q. And so when you said today “so are most lawyers,” that was
11 Q. And when you say you threw in the towel, I take it that’s			11 just smart ass.
12 also a sports image?			12 A. Sure.
13 A. I can’t answer that.			13 Q. And when you were asked and the jurors were asked whether
14 Q. At some point you stopped fighting the good fight.			14 you had any unpleasant experiences with lawyers, accountants.
15 A. Meaning?			15 financial planners, you didn’t raise your hand on that question
16 Q. That’s when you threw in the towel.			16 or in voir dire, did you?
17 A. That was probably an incorrect way to describe the taking			17 A. That’s correct.
18 into consideration all of the evidence at the end of the day.			18 Q. And you had had unpleasant experiences with lawyers, hadn’t
19 Q. What did you call it? An odd way? A what sort of way?			19 you?
20 A. I said at the end of the day.			20 A. I don’t know what you mean.
21 Q. You said some sort of way, improper way? I couldn’t			21 Q. Well, I mean, two of them referred you to the Bar
22 remember the objective.			22 Association for disciplinary action.
23 MR. GAIR: Incorrect.			23 A. I don’t look at it that way, sir.
24 Q. An incorrect way. That was an incorrect way of saying it.			24 Q. That was a pleasant experience?
25 A. Maybe I said improper, I’m not sure.			25 A. It’s just an experience. I don’t have my endorphins go
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1 Q. So when you said you fought the good fight and you’ve			1 [REDACTED] over it, so I don’t really know what you’re getting at.
2 thrown in the towel that was just an incorrect way of saying			2 Q. So you didn’t feel you had any obligation to tell the Court
3 you were unbiased.			3 when the Court asked whether you had any unpleasant experiences
4 A. At the end of the day after all the evidence was pored			4 with lawyers that two had referred you to the disciplinary
5 over.			5 committee, that the disciplinary committee brought charges
6 Q. When you say numbers don’t lie, what numbers were you			6 against you and that a panel of judges, indeed two panels,
7 referring to?			7 right, suspended you?
8 A. From Dr. DeRosa, the expert.			8 A. A job’s a job, sir. That’s how I see it.
9 Q. His numbers.			9 Q. So you didn’t think you had any obligation to tell the
10 A. Sure, and, to not get specific, but the lack of economic			10 Court any of that because a job’s a job.
11 substance in the transactions.			11 A. I don’t think that was your original question, but — that
12 Q. So that’s what you were referring to, Mr. Parse’s knowledge			12 was another omission, sir.
13 of the lack of economic substance in the transactions?			13 Q. That was an omission?
14 A. No. Not at all.			14 A. Yes.
15 Q. So what is it you were referring to?			15 Q. Now, I take it that one of the things we’ve learned today.
16 A. It was one component of the whole big picture.			16 Ms. Conrad, is that all of your omissions and lies, whatever
17 Q. I see. Now, I think you told us earlier today you were			17 you call them, were done to make you more marketable as a
18 asked whether your husband is a convicted felon, and you said			18 juror, is that correct?
19 so are most lawyers. And lots of people laughed. Do you			19 A. Those were my words.
20 remember saying that?			20 Q. And that would be correct, right?
21 A. Yes.			21 A. That’s what I said. Whether it was correct or not, that’s
22 Q. And was that being, I think your word is smart a-s or smart			22 not for me to decide.
23 A-blank-blank?			23 Q. No, that’s totally for you to decide. Are those words
24 A. Sure. Mr. Gair was asking me things about my husband that			24 accurate? Were you trying to be a more marketable juror?
25 I’m finding out right now today.			25 A. I said this, yes.

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1	Q. So those words are not an omission and they’re not a lie,		1	THE COURT: Any inquiry, Ms. McCarthy?
2	they’re true?		2	MS. McCARTHY: Your Honor, just a housekeeping master.
3	A. Correct.		3	I’m not sure if this is admitted. PMD 23. Has that been
4	Q. And that is to say that you thought that if these lawyers		4	offered in evidence yet? Mr. Gair offered some at the end.
5	knew who you actually were, and maybe if that judge knew who		5	I’m not sure.
6	you actually were, you wouldn’t have been a juror in this case.		6	THE COURT: No. You’re offering PMD 23?
7	A. I knew I could be unbiased and fair.		7	MS. McCARTHY: I am your Honor.
8	Q. No, no. Let’s try to answer some questions. You knew if		8	THE COURT: Any objection?
9	people knew who you actually were, if these lawyers knew who		9	MR. OKULA: None, your Honor.
10	you actually were, perhaps if that judge knew who you actually		10	THE COURT: All right, PMD 23 is received in evidence.
11	were, you wouldn’t have been a juror in this case? You knew		11	(Exhibit PMD 23 received in evidence)
12	that.		12	THE COURT: Mr. Okula, you may inquire.
13	A. Probably not, right.		13	MR. OKULA: Thank you, your Honor.
14	Q. Let’s not say probably. Let’s see if we can get you to be		14	CROSS-EXAMINATION
15	accurate.		15	BY MR. OKULA:
16	THE COURT: Just stay back by the podium,		16	Q. Ms. Conrad, let me pick up where Mr. Schectman left off
17	Mr. Schectman.		17	where he asked you a question and you answered something about
18	Q. Let’s try to be accurate.		18	connecting the dots about determining whether the defendants
19	MR. OKULA: Judge, could we stop the speeching, have		19	were crooks. Do you remember that question?
20	him ask a question?		20	A. Yes.
21	THE COURT: If you have an objection as to form, you		21	Q. Did you make up your mind about those defendants that you
22	can state it. And Mr. Schectman is going to stay behind the		22	found guilty prior to hearing all of the evidence and prior to
23	podium.		23	hearing the judge’s instructions in this case?
24	MR. SCHECTMAN: He is indeed.		24	A. Absolutely not.
25	Q. You knew that if these lawyers knew who you really were,		25	Q. Ms. Conrad, you didn’t attempt to try to get on this jury
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1	there was no chance of your being on this jury?		1	in order to carry out some personal vendetta or agenda with
2	A. I can’t read people’s minds, sir.		2	respect to the defendants, did you?
3	Q. Well, you read their minds well enough to keep an enormous		3	A. No, sir.
4	amount of information from them, didn’t you?		4	Q. And you didn’t have any vendetta against the government,
5	A. I can’t qualify enormous.		5	correct?
6	Q. Ms. Conrad, I don’t want to go through it —		6	A. Correct.
7	A. More likely than not I wouldn’t have been picked, yes.		7	Q. And similarly, you didn’t think that you would cast
8	Q. Try a higher standard. Beyond a reasonable doubt you		8	yourself in a good light with the government if you voted in
9	wouldn’t have been picked.		9	favor of the government, notwithstanding what the evidence was,
10	A. I can’t put words into your mouth, I’m sorry.		10	is that correct?
11	Q. If they knew you were a suspended lawyer with a history of		11	A. I believe so.
12	alcoholism with three misdemeanor convictions, with a husband		12	Q. So when you failed to tell the truth about your education
13	who had seven felony convictions, who had involvement with		13	and failed to reveal your criminal record and your status as a
14	licensing authorities, who had an outstanding warrant from		14	suspended attorney, it was not because you were biased against
15	Arizona, is it your view that these lawyers would have seen you		15	one party or another, is that correct?
16	as a different person, a far different person than the one you		16	A. Correct.
17	portrayed yourself to be?		17	Q. Did you have any personal bias or animus against Paul
18	A. I would think the defense counsel would be [REDACTED] to have me.		18	Daugerdas at the beginning of the case?
19	Q. Why is that, Ms. Conrad?		19	A. No, not at all. I didn’t know anybody.
20	A. Well, my husband seems to be a professional defendant, so I		20	Q. So you didn’t know any of the defendants, is it fair to say
21	probably would have in their mind been a keeper for their side.		21	that you had no personal bias or animus or feelings one way or
22	Q. Because your view is they wanted people who were crooks		22	another with respect to them, is that fair?
23	because they were crooks.		23	A. That’s absolutely correct.
24	A. If that’s connecting the dots logically.		24	Q. And it’s true, isn’t it, Ms. Conrad, that you hadn’t made
25	MR. SCHECTMAN: I’ll stop there.		25	up your mind once you were selected to be a juror in this case

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1	before you started hearing any evidence, is that correct? In		1	A. No.
2	other words, you hadn’t prejudged the case after you were		2	Q. Now, Mr. Gair went through and Mr. Schectman did also to
3	selected that you were going to find the defendants guilty or		3	some extent some of your criminal cases with you. Do you
4	rule in favor of the government, is that correct?		4	remember that?
5	A. That’s correct, yes.		5	A. Yes.
6	Q. And is it also true that you didn’t make up your mind with		6	Q. For instance, you went through your driving under the
7	respect to the guilt or innocence of any of the defendants		7	influence offenses and your harassment offense, the contemp
8	until you heard all the evidence in the case and listened to		8	offense and the shoplifting offenses. Do you remember that?
9	the judge’s instructions, is that fair?		9	A. Yes.
10	A. Absolutely.		10	Q. And were you also asked about the disorderly conduct
11	Q. Let me pick up on a section where Mr. Gair was asking you		11	offense that you were arrested for that you didn’t appear on in
12	about things you said with respect to David Parse. Do you		12	Winslow, Arizona. Do you recall that?
13	remember those questions?		13	A. Yes, sir.
14	A. Yes.		14	Q. Now, none of those cases, Ms. Conrad, had anything to do
15	Q. And Mr. Gair referenced the letter that you sent to me		15	with the subject matter involved in this trial, correct?
16	after the return of the verdict, do you remember that?		16	A. That’s correct.
17	A. Yes.		17	Q. In other words, these offenses, those local offenses that
18	Q. And you were also asked questions about the fact that you		18	you were arrested for, none of them had anything to do with
19	referred to fighting the good fight. Do you recall that?		19	taxes or tax evasion or tax shelters, is that fair?
20	A. Yes.		20	A. That’s correct.
21	Q. Without getting into your deliberations with the other		21	Q. And is it also fair, Ms. Conrad, that your involvement in
22	jurors, is it correct that as you said in the letter that you		22	those criminal cases did not cause you to be biased in one
23	viewed initially during your, when you began deliberating, that		23	matter or another against any party or any attorney in this
24	Mr. Parse should have been found guilty?		24	case?
25	A. Yes.		25	A. That’s correct.
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1	Q. And you also note in your letter, though, that you		1	Q. Now, let me ask you this, Ms. Conrad. Did the fact that
2	ultimately relented after hearing a jury charge from Judge		2	you were a criminal defendant in a prior case affect you from
3	Pauley about the definition of knowingly and willfully,		3	fairly and impartially judging the evidence in this case and
4	correct?		4	weighing and applying Judge Pauley’s legal instruction?
5	A. Yes.		5	A. Absolutely not.
6	Q. So is it fair to say that when you personally deliberated		6	Q. Did the fact that you were arrested by a police officer on
7	with respect to Mr. Parse, you reached your conclusion based on		7	a number of occasions in your criminal cases in any way affect
8	the legal instruction that Judge Pauley gave you and without		8	your ability to be fair and impartial?
9	bias to any side. Fair?		9	A. No.
10	A. 100 percent. Correct.		10	Q. Did your involvement in the disciplinary proceedings where
11	Q. Now, when you were selected to serve on the jury, did you		11	lawyers made complaints about you and you were asked questions
12	have any personal knowledge with respect to any of the		12	by disciplinary counsel, did that affect your ability to
13	defendants in this case?		13	carefully and appropriately and fairly weigh the evidence and
14	A. No, none.		14	the legal instructions in this case?
15	Q. And is it also fair that you didn’t have any personal		15	A. No, not at all.
16	knowledge of any of the defense lawyers, correct?		16	Q. Did the fact that you were a suspended attorney affect your
17	A. Correct.		17	impartiality in this case?
18	Q. You didn’t know any of the prosecutors in the case or any		18	A. No.
19	of the IRS agents, correct?		19	Q. Now, do you remember you received legal instructions from
20	A. No. That’s correct.		20	Judge Pauley on a number of occasions during the case, both
21	Q. And you weren’t factually involved in any of the underlying		21	during voir dire at the beginning of the trial and at the end
22	events at trial, correct?		22	of the trial?
23	A. Never.		23	A. Yes.
24	Q. And did you have any financial motive in the outcome of the		24	Q. And in particular, do you remember a jury instruction that
25	case?		25	went somewhat, I know it’s a long time ago and you may not

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1	remember every word, but do you remember an instruction that		1	Q. And that was in a way justifying the result that you
2	went along these lines: You will have to decide what the facts		2	reached, correct, personally?
3	are from the evidence that will be presented in this courtroom		3	A. That’s fair, yes.
4	and then apply those facts to the law as I give it to you.		4	Q. And when you referred to Dr. DeRosa when Mr. Schectman was
5	Do you recall that?		5	asking you, I think you mentioned that you found it personally.
6	A. Yes.		6	not going into your deliberations, but convincing, Dr. DeRosa’s
7	Q. Did you follow that instruction, Ms. Conrad?		7	testimony about the lack of economic substance, is that fair?
8	A. Yes.		8	A. [REDACTED] yes.
9	Q. And another instruction went something along the lines that		9	Q. Did you pay careful attention to the testimony of all
10	the law requires your decision be based solely on the evidence		10	witnesses?
11	before you. Anything I direct you to disregard as being		11	A. Shanbrom lost me, but yes.
12	excluded because it’s not legally admissible, further, anything		12	Q. And in fact you noted in your letter that you didn’t find
13	that you may see or hear when the Court is not in session may		13	very compelling the testimony of Mr. Shanbrom, correct?
14	not be considered. The only competent evidence is evidence		14	A. That’s correct.
15	received in this courtroom. Do you remember that instruction?		15	Q. So is it fair to say that that example is emblematic of
16	A. Not word-for-word, but the general gist, yes.		16	your view that you didn’t call everything in the government’s
17	Q. The substance of it, do you remember that?		17	favor because you found government witness Paul Shanbrom
18	A. Yes.		18	unconvincing, is that a fair word?
19	Q. And did you follow that instruction?		19	A. More than fair.
20	A. Yes.		20	Q. Now, is that indicative, Ms. Conrad, of what you said
21	Q. Did you render your verdict, Ms. Conrad, based solely on		21	earlier, that you based your verdict in this case based on what
22	the evidence presented at trial and in the context of the law		22	you saw in this courtroom from the witness stand and the
23	that Judge Pauley gave to you in his instructions and not based		23	evidence you heard and applying the instructions from Judge
24	on any bias, prejudice or sympathy?		24	Pauley?
25	A. Yes.		25	A. Yes, in totality.
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1	Q. Now, Ms. Conrad, you noted earlier in your testimony that		1	Q. After all, you voted to acquit Mr. Brubaker, correct?
2	you obtained your law degree from Brooklyn law school, correct?		2	A. Yes.
3	A. Yes.		3	Q. And you voted to acquit Mr. Parse on certain charges,
4	Q. Your practice consisted, did it not, of litigation,		4	correct?
5	primarily in personal injury matters, is that fair?		5	A. Correct.
6	A. For the most part yes.		6	Q. Just a few more questions with respect to some of the
7	Q. And you served as a contract attorney for certain		7	instructions you were given. Do you remember Judge Pauley
8	plaintiffs’ lawyers, is that correct?		8	instructed you at the end of the case in his instructions that
9	A. Yes.		9	under your oath as jurors you are not to be swayed by fear,
10	Q. In carrying out your role as a juror is it fair to say that		10	prejudice, bias or sympathy, you’re to be guided solely by the
11	you disregarded any other ideas or notions or beliefs about the		11	evidence in the case. Do you remember an instruction along
12	law that you previously had in reaching your verdict in this		12	that line?
13	case?		13	A. Yes.
14	A. That’s a fair statement, yes.		14	Q. And is it true, Ms. Conrad, that in spite of all that we
15	Q. Let’s go back for just one moment to the letter that you		15	spoke about earlier today that you based your verdict which
16	were asked about and you referred to Dr. DeRosa and the numbers		16	involved an acquittal of Mr. Brubaker and a partial acquittal
17	with respect to Mr. Schectman’s questions, do you remember		17	of Mr. Parse based on the evidence in this courtroom and the
18	that?		18	instructions that Judge Pauley gave you?
19	A. Yes.		19	A. That’s correct.
20	Q. He asked you, Mr. Schectman did, about a statement that you		20	Q. Were you biased against the defendants in any manner or
21	made that numbers don’t lie. Do you recall that?		21	form?
22	A. Just from looking at the letter.		22	A. Not at all.
23	Q. Yes, if you look four lines from the bottom where you said,		23	(Continued next page)
24	quote, “I’m a purist and numbers don’t lie”?		24
25	A. Yes.		25

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1	MR. OKULA: Let me have one moment, your Honor.		1	BY MR. GAIR:
2	Q. Ms. Conrad, a few more questions. I’m sorry. Are you		2	Q. Can you explain to us how it is you can remember the
3	ready?		3	substance of many specific jury instructions that you received
4	A. Yes.		4	8½ months ago when you cannot remember things that you said to
5	Q. At the time that you were selected to serve as a juror in		5	Judge Pauley on December 20th when you appeared in this court?
6	this case, your status was a suspended New York attorney,		6	A. Because I’m familiar with the PJI and they are sort to
7	correct?		7	basically the same IN state court as in federal court.
8	A. Yes.		8	Q. Did you have any trouble understanding my questions when I
9	Q. You were not working, correct?		9	was asking you questions earlier?
10	A. Correct.		10	A. To which are you referring?
11	Q. Is it fair to say that even though the daily witness fee		11	Q. Any of them.
12	that you received for your service was rather meager, it was		12	A. I don’t have the transcript written in my head.
13	not irrelevant to you in your service as a juror?		13	Q. You certainly didn’t have any trouble with Mr. Okula’s
14	A. Yes, that’s correct.		14	questions, correct?
15	Q. After all, you were basically out of work, correct?		15	A. He’s pretty straightforward.
16	A. Yes.		16	Q. You didn’t find anything that Mr. Okula said that you
17	Q. You referred earlier during Mr. Gair’s questioning to a		17	disagreed with, correct?
18	motivation that you had in the form of intellectual curiosity		18	A. Correct.
19	with respect to tax shelters, is that correct?		19	Q. Did you know what Mr. Okula was going to ask you today?
20	MR. GAIR: Objection to the form of the question, your		20	A. No, I don’t. This is the first time I’ve ever actually
21	Honor.		21	spoken to Mr. Okula.
22	MR. OKULA: I’ll rephrase it, your Honor.		22	Q. Mr. Okula asked you about whether or not you wanted to see
23	THE COURT: All right.		23	through this trial as a juror. Do you remember that question?
24	Q. You remember in Judge Pauley’s initial instructions he		24	A. Yes.
25	described in general terms the subject matter of the case, in		25	Q. You did, right?
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1	particular tax charges, correct?		1	A. Yes.
2	A. Yes.		2	Q. You did that in the context of just a day or two before the
3	Q. You heard certain things about tax shelters in the		3	trial having filed a petition for readmission or reinstatement
4	introductory instructions, correct?		4	to the bar, is that correct?
5	A. Vaguely.		5	A. That’s the correct chronology, yes.
6	Q. Is it correct that the subject matter of the case was of		6	Q. You believed that by seeing through this trial, by serving
7	some interest to you when you were answering questions during		7	as a juror for a lengthy trial, you could help demonstrate your
8	voir dire and considering your motives for serving on the jury?		8	stability to the bar authorities, correct?
9	A. Yes, it piqued my curiosity. I had no experience ever with		9	A. No. It’s apples and oranges. The two thoughts never
10	tax work.		10	crossed.
11	Q. Had you ever sat as a juror in a federal criminal case		11	Q. Never occurred to you once that seeing this through might
12	before?		12	be something that would be helpful to you with the bar
13	A. No.		13	authorities?
14	Q. Was one of your motivations a desire to see a trial through		14	A. Not at all. It was my civic duty.
15	with this complexity from beginning to end?		15	Q. Which part was your civic duty? The part where you lied?
16	A. Partially.		16	A. No, of course not.
17	Q. One final question, Ms. Conrad. Is it correct that you		17	Q. Mr. Okula asked you some questions about the instructions
18	waited until Judge Pauley told you it was appropriate for you		18	that Judge Pauley gave you. Do you remember those?
19	to begin your deliberations and the consideration of the		19	A. I remember both.
20	evidence based on his instructions, and that’s what guided your		20	Q. You said that you had followed Judge Pauley’s instructions.
21	verdict in this case?		21	correct?
22	A. Yes.		22	A. Yes.
23	MR. OKULA: I have nothing further, Judge.		23	Q. But the truth is you only followed those of Judge Pauley’s
24	THE COURT: Redirect examination, Mr. Gair.		24	instructions that you wanted to follow, correct?
25	REDIRECT EXAMINATION		25	A. I don’t

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1	Q. Well, did you follow all of Judge Pauley’s instructions or		1	A. No, but I did.
2	only the ones that you wanted to follow?		2	Q. Do I look like I know what the PJI is?
3	A. That’s the job of the trier of fact, which I was a trier of		3	A. Yes. You’re a professor.
4	fact.		4	Q. Would you agree with me then that since you did for the
5	Q. Did you follow all of Judge Pauley’s instructions or only		5	follow Judge Pauley’s initial instruction at the start of the
6	those instructions that you wanted to follow?		6	trial, you did not in fact follow all of his instructions?
7	A. Probably all of them.		7	A. You’re mischaracterizing it.
8	Q. All of them, every single one, right?		8	Q. It’s a simple question, yes or no. Since you did not
9	A. I don’t have the PJI in front of me.		9	follow the instruction to tell the truth, did you follow all of
10	Q. But as far as you know, of all the ones Mr. Okula		10	his instructions?
11	mentioned, you followed them, right?		11	A. Regarding the verdict, yes.
12	A. More likely than not.		12	Q. Did you follow all of Judge Pauley’s instructions?
13	Q. And of all the other instructions he gave you, you followed		13	A. Not with respect to the voir dire.
14	them, is that correct?		14	Q. Therefore, you did not follow all of his instructions, is
15	A. I can’t answer that.		15	that correct?
16	Q. You know for a fact you didn’t follow all those		16	A. If you need to connect the dots like that.
17	instructions, don’t you?		17	Q. Did you follow all of his corrections?
18	A. No, I don’t think that’s correct.		18	A. Yes. In rendering a correct verdict, yes.
19	Q. Didn’t he tell you at the very start of the trial that you		19	Q. Now you’re saying you did follow all of his instructions.
20	had to speak the truth to tell about your background in order		20	Let me try and get this very simply. Can you answer my
21	to even be seated as a juror?		21	question? Taking into account the fact that you perjured
22	A. He also told us to render a fair verdict —		22	yourself repeatedly at voir dire, did you follow all of his
23	Q. No, no.		23	instructions?
24	A. — which we did.		24	A. I think you just answered the question.
25	Q. Do you see the difference between your answers to my		25	Q. Why don’t you answer it.
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1	questions and Mr. Okula’s questions?		1	A. Besides the voir dire, yes.
2	A. Sure: Splitting hairs and semantics.		2	Q. Including the voir dire, did you follow all of Judge
3	Q. Exactly. You’re splitting hairs and you’re engaging in		3	Pauley’s instructions?
4	semantics?		4	A. Not with my omissions, no.
5	MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.		5	Q. Not with your lies, right?
6	THE COURT: Overruled.		6	A. However you want to characterize it.
7	Q. Let me ask you this, Ms. Conrad. Did Judge Pauley give you		7	Q. Therefore, you picked which of Judge Pauley’s instructions
8	an instruction as a juror to tell the truth?		8	you were going to follow and which of those that you were not
9	A. I’m sure he did, yes.		9	going to follow, is that correct?
10	Q. Did you tell the truth?		10	A. No.
11	A. By rendering an unbiased verdict.		11	Q. Was it random that you followed some of his instructions
12	Q. Did you tell the truth?		12	and didn’t follow others?
13	A. Yes.		13	A. I didn’t follow the instructions in voir dire.
14	Q. You told the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the		14	Q. You chose, you picked that instruction not to follow,
15	truth?		15	correct?
16	A. You’re asking me about the voir dire?		16	A. Yes.
17	Q. Yes. That was an instruction he gave you, wasn’t it?		17	Q. You want us to take your assurance that you didn’t pick any
18	A. That’s correct.		18	other instructions not to follow, correct?
19	Q. Did you tell the truth? Did you follow that instruction?		19	MR. OKULA: Objection.
20	A. No.		20	THE COURT: Sustained.
21	Q. So, when you just said a couple of moments ago that you		21	Q. In your opinion, Ms. Conrad, did your perjury in voir dire
22	followed those instructions, you were lying right then?		22	affect your ability to act as a fair and impartial juror?
23	A. That’s incorrect. I thought we were on the same page		23	A. No, not at all.
24	talking about the PJI at the end of the trial.		24	Q. Ms. Conrad, did I understand you to say that you thought
25	Q. Did I ever mention the PJI?		25	that it was basically no harm/no foul as far as the defense was

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1	concerned at the von dire that you didn’t reveal your criminal
2	history because the defendants would want criminals on the
3	jury?
5	mouths.
7	you thought at the time that they would be jumping up and down
e	if they knew that you had a husband for a criminal —
9	criminal for a husband? Didn’t you say that?
12	of the defendants, which I was not, either the prosecution or
13	the defense. I was unbiased.
15	defendants’ perspective because, if anything. somebody who was
16	marred to a criminal would tend to favor other criminals,
17	right?
19	MR. GAIR: Nothing further, your Honor.
20	THE COURT: Mr. Shechtman?
21	MR. SHECHTMAN: be brief, your Honor.
22	CROSS-EXAMINATION
23	BY MR. SHECHTMAN:
25	correct, and you’re reluctant to use the word “lie”?
	C2Irlau7 Conrad cross
			C2Irdau7 Conrad cross Page 231
		3	part, and you agreed, on the $40 per day. is that correct” Was
		4	that one of your motives for wanting to be on the jury?
		7	legal career for $40 a day. were you?
		9	December 18, 2007, when I got suspended.
		12	didn’t you?
		15	description of the case piqued your curiosity. Was that one of
		16	your motives?
		23	motives that you wanted to be on this case because it piqued
		24	your curiosity?
3	Government Exhibit 2, when you told the Court. “we travel: you
4	and your husband, was that a true statement?
11	Jersey?
14	MR. OKULA: I’m sorry. I’m having a hard time
is	hearing.
23	omitted New Jersey and the elderly aunt, so that you would seem
24	like you were a more marketable juror?
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			1 Q. And you thought it was worth lying about your background to
		2	be on a case because it piqued your curiosity?
		s	the S40 a day —
		10	stipend was partly a factor?
		13	didn’t lie because the case piqued your curiosity, are we
		14	correct on that?
		20	dollars and cents. the $40 and change or whatever- and keeping
		22	the dynamics of it.
		24	you would say. because I wanted to be in a courtroom?

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1	sir.
3	considering bringing perjury charges against you?
4	MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
6	MR. OKULA: Unfair characterization.
7	THE COURT: Sustained.
9	lied repeatedly in this courtroom, the government might bring
10	criminal charges against you?
13	today, did you?
18	testimony you gave this morning, what conclusions should we
19	draw from that?
22	get use immunity, and this afternoon you told us, just now, it
23	was a large possibility. Which of those is true?
25	invoked my Fifth Amendment privilege.
			C2frdau7 Conrad • cross Page 235
		3	put off?
		8	likely consequences to you other than this unpleasant hearing
		9	for having perjured yourself in this courtroom?
		12	you?
		15	you will be determined by what you refer to as “our
		16	government,” is that correct?
		17	MR. OKULA: Objection.
		is	THE COURT: Overruled.
		22	government”?
		24	government it would be. But we’re sitting here in the Southern
		25	District, so kudos, I guess you’re correct.
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2	immunity or not. a distinct possibility that you would be
3	charged with perjury?
6	charge?
10	MR. OKULA: Objection.
11	THE COURT: Sustained.
13	there was a possibility that charges would be brought against
14	you for perjury during the voir dire process of this trial?
17	jurors lie during voir dire?
20	dire repeatedly. caused this entire process. and that there
21	will be no consequences for it?
22	MR. OKULA: To the form, your Honor.
23	THE COURT: Sustained as to form.
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		2	displease the government, there is no likelihood of those
		3	criminal charges being brought?
		4	MR. OKULA: Objection, your Honor.
		s	THE COURT: Sustained.
		e	MR. SHECHTMAN: No further questions.
		9	THE COURT: Anything funher on redirect, Mr Roten
		ao	or Ms. McCarthy?
		11	MR. ROTERT: Thank you. your Honor. no. nothing for
		12	Ms. Guerin.
		13	MS. McCARTHY: Nothing further.
		14	THE COURT: Anything further, Mr. Okula?
		15	MR. OKULA: Nothing. Thank you, your Honor.
		16	THE COURT: Ms Conrad. I would like io 44 you. given
		17	your acknowledgment here today that you misrepresented any
		18	number of material things about yourself during voir dire
		19	because you wanted to make yourself marketable for the jury.
		20	and you perjured yourself, why did you do that?
		21	THE WITNESS: As I had rriumoned.1 Ian I could et a
		22	fair. unbiased juror, and substantivelywise it seemed as if it
		23	would be an interesting trial experience. And having been
		24	suspended for so long. I guess mentally I would think maybe I’m
		25	back in the swing of things now.

	C2trdau7 Conrad cross Page 237 I know misrepresenting myself and the perjury was	C2trdau7 1	Page 239 with the marshals, and then we are going to head into I think
2	wrong, and I apologize to the Court and to everybody else who	2	the rest of the waiver portion.
3	has. Ern sure. devoted immeasurabk amount of time, hours:.	3	MR. GAIR: Judge, as far as I’m concerned, the only
4	Maybe it Just wasn’t for the 5440. That’s basically it. I know	4	reason to call the marshal. I need to to perfect impeachment
5	a lot of resources were spent because of this, and I apologize	S	unless the Court is ready to decide the substantive issue that
6	to everybody. It wasn’t a calculated folly. it was just maybe	6	the witness has shown herself to be a pathological liar, not to
7	folly. But I know I served and I did my civic duty and I	7	know what the truth is. probably to be severely mentally
8	believe I was fair and just in rendering the verdict.	8	disabled, and to base committed innumerable direct contempt, in
9	I know my disclosures definitely would not have	9	front of your Honor today by petitions herself. So I would
10	allowed me to serve as a tutor, I also know that I could have	10	renew our motion at this time, and then we could dispense with
	11 requested a side bar to speak with your Honor and the other	11	the marshal.
12	attorneys during the voir dire, and I didn’t do that. I	12	THE COURT: We are in the middle of a hearing I can
13	apologize to everybody.	13	see that Mr. Okula is ready to respond. but we are not going to go down that mute. You will call your next witness and you
14	THE COURT: Anything further from counsel?	14	will do it tomorrow morning We’ll have Deputy Weiss here at
15	MR. OKULA: No, your Honor.	15
16	THE COURT: Mr. Gair?	16	that time.
17	MR. GAIR: Not of this witness, your Honor.	17	Are you calling anyone else from the Marshals Service?
18	THE COURT: Mr. Roten?	18	MR. GAIR: No, your Honor.
19	MR. ROTERT: No. your Honor.	19	THE COURT: All right. Mr. Shechtman? MR. SHECHTMAN: Judge.,t may be thatweshoutdat
20	MS. McCARTHY: No.	20
21	MR. SHECHTMAN: No. your Honor.	21	call it a day. If the Court wants what I think is a short witness, Mr. Benhamou is here. He is a law student, he has
22	THE COURT: Is there any mason at this juncture that	22
23	the arrest warrant that was issued this morning to bring the	23	classes tomorrow. THE COURT: He is in class?
24	witness to court should not at this time be released?	24	MR. SHECHTMAN: He missed today.
25	MR. OKULA: No, your Honor.	25	Page 240
	Cactau7 Page 238		THE COURT: Bring him on.
1	MR. GAIR: Not the arrest warrant, your Honor.		MR. OKULA: May I haw a moment with Mt Shechunan.
2	THE COURT: I’m not going to vacate it. Its an
3	existing arrest warrant. She was arrested. But I’m going to		your Honor? THE COURT: Right wen take a witness out of order.
4	release her now.
	You’re free to go. You may step down as a witness. I	s	MR. SHECHTMAN: halo I dunk n ate e ben nett( we
6	think the Marshals Service will assist you. You are excused.	6	have just decided that we don’t need his testimony and we are
7	(Witness excused)	7	going to send him back to school.
	THE WITNESS: Would the defense can as neat witness.	8	THE COURT: I hope he didns have much of a class load
9	MR. GAIR: Yes. your Honor. The defense calls deputy	9	today.
10	U.S. Marshal Eric Weiss.	10	MR. OKULA: It’s early in the semester, your Honor.
11	MR. OKULA: Your Honor. I understand that he was	11	THE COURT: It’s those early sessions that are most
12	supposed to be communicating with the other marshals because he	12	important though.
13	let the people in the courtroom know that he was downstairs and	13	MR. SHECHTMAN: I woukl .ay Nal he nUtwd INCCI3Mel
14	ready to go. I think it is going to take three or four minutes	14	on tesponcleat superior by order of the Court.
15	for him to get up. I don’t know if counsel is in favor of	15	THE COURT: Are there any matte” that counsel want to
16	waiting until tomorrow morning.	16	raise before we suspend for the evening?
17	MR. GAIR: Fine with me. Judge.	17	MR. OKULA: No, your Honor.
18	THE COURT: I just want to make certain that we	18	THE COURT: Anything from defense counsel?
19	complete this hearing tomorrow. I’m prepared to work a little	19	MR. GAIR: No. your Honor.
20	later right now to get that, to achieve that purpose.	20	MR. ROTERT: 9:30 tomorrow, Judge?
21	MR. OKULA: Judge. I think, based on getting through	21	THE COURT: Let’s make it 9 43, since I’m assured that
22	Ms. Conrad today, there is a substantial likelihood that we	22	we are going to comfortably finish tomorrow. Have a good
23	will be done by midday tomorrow. I am highly confident we will	23	evening.
24	get done Itnurtninw if we break now I undentand from speaking	24	(Adjourned to 9:45 a.m., February 16. 2012)
25	with Mr. Gair or indirectly that he is going to be fairly quick	25

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INDEX OF EXAMINATION
1	Examination of:	Page
3	THERESA [REDACTED] TRZASKOMA
4	Direct By Mr. [REDACTED]	… . . 8
	Cross By Mr. Shechtman	… . . .84
5	Redirect By Mr. [REDACTED]	… . . .90
	Recross By Mr. Shechtman	… . . .95
6
7	CATHERINE M. CONRAD
8	Direct By Mr. Gair	… . . 101
	Direct By Mr. Schechtman	… . . 204
9	Cross By Mr. Okula	… . . 211
	Redirect By Mr. Gair	… . . 223
10	Cross By Mr. Shechtman	… . . 229
11
12
GOVERNMENT EXHIBITS
13	Exhibit No.	Received
14	4	… . . 65
15	5	… . . 17
16	9	… . . 75
17	14	… . . 20
18	28	… . . 76
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PMD EXHIBITS
1	Exhibit No.	Received
3	PMD 1, 24, 25, 26 and 45	… . . 204
4	PMD 2	… . . 145
5	PMD 3	… . . 125
6	PMD 7	… . . 194
7	PMD 14	… . . 173
8	PMD 17	… . . 176
9	PMD 20	… . . 175
10	PMD 23	… . . 211
11	PMD 29	… . . 179
12	PMD 40	… . . 36
13	PMD 54	… . . 65
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7 (9) 94:18;194:5,8,9,10,10; 204:18,19,20 7:52 (2) 5:2;129:24 70s (1) 189:10 72 (4) 21:23;22:10;39:11,12 721 (1) 100:1 724 (1) 100:1 73 (1) 24:2 78 (1) 26:18	A abide (1) 7:6 ability (6) 130:16;141:10;192:7; 216:8,12;228:22 A-blank-blank (1) 206:23 able (5) 47:16;57:2;123:17; 128:9;137:14 above (2) 22:23;47:3 abroad (3) 158:5;167:22;171:25 absolutely (19) 18:13;64:14;96:3; 111:11;112:25;114:10, 13,15;123:9;136:4; 145:16;149:9;172:14; 197:20;198:2;211:24; 212:23;213:10;216:5 abstinence (1) 182:13 abstinent (4) 178:21;179:6;180:24, 25 accelerate (1) 7:7 access (5) 20:25;21:2,2,3,12 accessible (6) 21:18;197:2,5,9,12,18 accident (1) 183:14 accidental (1) 155:4 accomplice (1) 32:20 according (1) 71:1 accordingly (2) 53:25;100:11 account (2) 130:19;227:21 accountants (1) 207:14 accounts (5) 131:2,8,17,23;133:22 accuracy (1) 28:13 accurate (6) 46:8,17;79:19;208:24; 209:15,18 accused (1) 59:12 achieve (1) 238:20 achieved (2) 134:20,24 acknowledge (3)	38:12;91:7,10 acknowledging (1) 91:6 acknowledgment (1) 236:17 acquit (2) 220:1,3 acquittal (2) 220:16,16 acquitted (1) 74:24 acquitting (1) 164:5 across (1) 142:22 act (1) 228:22 acting (2) 32:20;128:10 action (4) 38:17;53:10,14; 207:22 actions (2) 178:12,18 active (1) 142:13 actual (1) 80:20 actually (24) 13:9;20:9;28:6;53:12; 60:8,14;68:17;87:1; 93:1;131:12;150:5; 152:9,21;153:5;158:21; 163:8;165:4;169:3; 209:5,6,9,10,10;223:20 acumen (1) 158:25 Adam (2) 4:19;40:1 add (2) 76:18;137:7 added (1) 231:17 addition (1) 13:14 additional (9) 14:3,11;18:23;34:10; 44:25;57:18;59:23; 85:12;93:7 address (38) 6:22;45:11;50:17,21, 25;51:5,8,9,9,11,20,22; 52:3;56:2;85:13;144:18, 20;146:23,23;147:6,11; 153:2,8;157:23;158:4,6, 9;161:20,22;186:19; 196:8,11,16,19;198:10, 13,15,16 addressed (2) 5:17;188:20 addresses (4) 51:10,21;145:25; 146:25	addressing (1) 72:19 adequate (1) 99:25 Adjourned (1) 240:24 admin (5) 39:17,18,22,24;40:4 admiration (1) 171:18 admired (1) 59:13 admissible (1) 217:12 admission (13) 11:4;19:11;36:20; 65:15;75:18;76:7;125:5; 145:1;173:15;175:19; 179:15;194:4;203:22 admit (1) 19:10 admitted (3) 9:23;174:15;211:3 adopt (2) 127:6,20 advance (4) 11:22;19:7;20:14; 29:18 advice (3) 99:2;102:4,7 advised (3) 5:4;6:1;139:3 advising (1) 124:2 affect (5) 216:2,7,12,16;228:22 affidavit (20) 125:15;126:6,9,11,18; 128:13;129:10;133:23; 134:1,8;135:25;136:19; 137:16,22,23;150:8,17, 23;151:14;155:23 affluent (5) 152:9,21,25;153:5,9 afford (4) 124:16;125:16,18; 126:10 afternoon (17) 7:5;49:6;56:5,19; 69:22;70:14;83:15; 86:20,23;87:15,16; 90:22;92:16,20;129:6; 130:7;233:22 afterwards (2) 93:6;190:10 again (19) 20:23;55:6;71:20; 80:2;92:6;98:6,11,13,18; 112:14;118:14;122:9; 123:20;157:18;167:10; 168:9;191:13;196:8; 204:17 against (26)	10:25;52:14;62:12,16; 99:3;111:8;113:25; 114:17;128:16;132:17; 133:13;134:6;137:10; 140:24;208:6;212:4,14, 17;215:23;220:20; 233:3,10;234:13;235:11, 14,21 age (1) 48:21 agenda (1) 212:1 agents (1) 214:19 aggravated (1) 184:7 ago (15) 90:5;103:5;113:8; 131:4;153:7,19,22; 157:6;162:17;163:7; 191:1;216:25;223:4; 226:21;230:7 agree (30) 9:25;21:20;26:10; 29:20;30:6;46:10;56:6; 67:23;73:2,21;81:8; 87:2;90:7;92:23;105:25; 108:10;113:6;116:25; 119:9,16;120:9;121:17; 124:1;128:12;137:11; 154:12,24;159:18; 197:21;227:4 agreed (2) 31:21;231:3 agreement (1) 68:1 ahead (2) 95:22;204:13 airplane (1) 189:18 akin (1) 192:5 al (1) 8:21 alcohol (7) 24:7;25:13;97:10; 98:19;110:5,9;180:12 alcoholic (8) 41:4,21;94:17;174:15, 17;175:9;176:9,13 alcoholics (1) 109:18 alcoholism (9) 25:13;89:14;174:6,9, 11,21;176:18;177:9; 210:12 alerted (1) 5:15 alerting (1) 63:2 alleged (2) 74:19;75:3 [REDACTED] (1)
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4:7	apologies (1)	133:22;134:5,11	asserting (1)	219:9
allergic (1)	136:17	April (2)	99:3	attentive (1)
170:16	apologize (4)	183:3;184:4	assertion (1)	35:24
allow (1)	88:17;237:2,5,13	archeology (2)	102:18	Attorney (23)
137:24	Aponte (2)	167:22;171:25	assessment (1)	4:5;54:11,14;123:24,
allowed (2)	32:10,15	area (4)	90:13	24:125:25;126:16;
166:10;237:10	appear (22)	97:14,15;152:9,21	assigned (2)	133:24;141:22;143:12;
almost (2)	5:13;10:12;40:21;	argument (2)	18:1;24:13	166:15,16,18,23;167:6;
16:22;53:6	42:22;48:14;105:1,15;	46:5;89:21	assist (8)	168:25;178:7,8;212:14;
alone (1)	106:15;109:20;110:11,	arguments (1)	13:2,13;15:22;20:13,	215:23;216:16;218:7;
67:11	25;116:19;118:8,18;	97:17	14:65;4:66;12:238:6	221:6
along (11)	119:11,18;120:5;123:7,	Arizona (7)	assistance (2)	attorneys (3)
44:6;58:22;63:5;	13:186:10,12;215:11	185:14,17,19;186:15;	12:11;66:22	148:15;165:23;237:12
85:20;93:11;190:16;	appearance (5)	188:9;210:15;215:12	Assistant (1)	Attorney’s (1)
191:18;194:20;217:2,9;	5:19;8:16;109:23;	arose (1)	4:4	5:6
220:11	110:2,8	37:11	assisted (1)	August (10)
aloud (2)	appearances (2)	around (3)	12:13	170:24;179:2,3,6,10;
37:3,18	4:2;9:14	112:19;150:10;201:24	assisting (2)	180:11;185:14;187:15;
alternate (6)	appeared (6)	arrangement (1)	10:25;12:21	188:9;189:19
34:16;90:11,12;92:8,	103:8;109:19;186:14,	35:6	associate (4)	aunt (4)
14:96:10	16:191:5;223:5	arrest (17)	11:19;12:3,4,5	230:13,16,17,23
alternates (2)	appearing (2)	5:6,21;6:11,13,20;	associates (1)	authorities (8)
29:5;34:24	112:24;122:16	94:17;121:13;122:21;	9:17	151:4;153:12;155:20,
alternatively (1)	23:1;24:1;88:11,12;	183:12,13;184:1,2;	Association (1)	23;191:6;210:14;224:8,
71:24	150:21;173:9,22;	187:17;188:7;237:23;	207:22	13
alternatives (1)	175:20;176:3	238:1,3	assume (1)	authorization (1)
99:24	apples (1)	arrested (24)	21:9	175:5
although (4)	224:9	6:23;89:18;94:16;	assumed (1)	auto (1)
50:12;98:15;100:25;	applicable (2)	123:7,13;179:25;181:6,	27:18	190:3
187:20	42:22;136:3	13;182:18,22,25;185:14,	assurance (1)	available (8)
amended (1)	application (12)	16,19,24;188:9,25;	228:17	7:7;13:5,10,12;39:21;
75:16	7:4;35:2;97:3,6;	189:3;193:12,14;215:11,	assured (1)	44:18;172:16,19
Amendment (5)	100:12,21;102:13;	18;216:6;238:3	240:21	Avenue (16)
99:3;100:20;102:9,19;	126:16,17;148:10;	arrests (4)	ate (1)	146:3,16;147:6,12,18;
233:25	150:17;177:23	18	70:2	148:1;151:11,14;156:8,
among (2)	apply (6)	arrived (2)	attach (1)	11;158:12;170:12;
100:6;200:15	158:25;159:10,14;	6:8;110:6	136:2	196:3,7,9;198:16
74:1	164:4,14;217:4	artiful (2)	attached (7)	average (1)
amount (5)	102:16;216:4;219:23	75:6;85:9	16:19;40:16;46:7;	152:7
69:12;85:23;134:11;	appoint (3)	A’s (1)	attaches (5)	avoid (1)
210:4;237:3	124:11,15;132:15	16:22	attaches (5)	82:3
and/or (2)	appointed (4)	a-s (1)	40:10;41:10;42:9;	aware (14)
181:7,8	125:25;126:16;	206:22	attachment (1)	14:10;28:15;34:16;
anew (1)	132:20;137:25	ascertain (1)	22:24	36:3;72:22;24:75:4;
96:11	appointee (1)	74:18	attack (1)	78:1;85:5;89:5,10,11;
animus (2)	116:16	ascribed (1)	6:23	93:25;97:9
212:17,21	appointment (7)	41:17	attained (1)	axed (2)
answered (6)	appointment (1)	Aside (3)	164:25	171:14,14
145:12;151:18;	116:14,21;117:6,11;	13:12,20,20	attempt (4)	B
164:19;175:1;211:17;	133:4	aspects (5)	176:21;177:1;195:11;	BA (2)
227:24	appreciate (1)	98:19	attempted (1)	167:21;171:23
anticipate (4)	49:8	ass (2)	130:15	bachelor’s (3)
130:4,6,8,9	appreciated (3)	116:6;207:11	attendance (1)	44:3;59:11;86:13
anxious (5)	92:4,7,7	a-s-s (1)	113:21	back (38)
194:15,19,24;195:1,3	appropriate (7)	116:5	attended (3)	5:12,16;13:15;23:7;
anymore (1)	85:7,14;102:25;	assassination (1)	112:23;113:7,15	27:9,15,19;31:4;43:1,8,
230:5	128:24;178:12,18;	142:19	attention (16)	20:44;13:45;7:9;46:18;
apart (2)	222:18	assault (4)	11:11;17:19;22:11;	57:5;58:23;61:15;67:4,
9:9;103:7	appropriately (1)	183:6,8,9,13	25:16;26:21;36:1;40:6;	12;71:12;72:10;81:3;
apartment (5)	216:13	assert (1)	63:8,13;64:16;66:6;	83:13;86:4;101:2;
146:16;151:11;157:1,	approximately (3)	102:9	90:8;98:23;129:8;145:7;	122:11,13;126:13;
2,5

| 136:22;138:3;142:4; 157:3;198:6;209:16; 218:15;236:25;240:7 | 125:14;132:5;146:20; 21:199:22;212:18; 216:21;222:15 | biographical (1) 66:2 | 48:14 | 78:2 | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | | backdating (1) 203:4 | behalf (7) 4:7;12;16;6;16;11;14; 97:3;202:3 | bipolar (1) 120:22 | break (8) 64:9;13;86:21;111:13; 114:20;165:16;192:23; 238:24 | Brune (48) 8:25;9:2,6,9,17;12:1; 16:1;21:11;35:4,11,12; 38:7;40:2;42:2;44:24; 56:20,24;57:8;58:2; 59:18;60:18,19,21; 61:17,23;63:1,19,23; 67:20;69:22;70:13; 73:12;74:1;76:22,24; 77:1,5;79:24;86:7;87:8, 12,17,24;88:10;92:17; 93:5,10,12 | | background (5) 34:5;148:12;167:19; 225:20;232:1 | behavior (5) 106:1;107:2;110:16, 16;184:17 | birth (7) 47:5;48:1,8,15,15; 49:10;54:20 | brief (15) 25:16,17;67:2,10; 68:5,6,8;73:14,22;74:6, 8;79:11,23;97:7;229:21 | burglarizing (1) 32:21 | | badly (1) 154:20 | behind (2) 88:15;209:22 | birthday (1) 191:2 | briefly (14) 5:3;21:1;24:1;30:17; 49:7,20;55:6,7;67:2; 84:5;92:22;97:7;100:16; 204:12 | burglary (2) 189:23;190:1 | | bag (3) 182:3,5,11 | belind (2) 88:15;209:22 | bit (2) 111:13;153:8 | bring (13) 7:1;84:16;92:8;98:23; 100:13,15;101:12; 129:25;187:6;233:9; 235:11;237:23;240:1 | bus (11) 162:14,15,16,19,22, 22,25;163:20,25;164:10; 207:8 | | bags (1) 182:8 | belief (2) 170:25;175:8 | black (1) 124:23 | bringing (1) 233:3 | bus (11) 162:14,15,16,19,22, 22,25;163:20,25;164:10; 207:8 | | bar (10) 9:21,23;30:23;135:25; 153:11;207:21;224:4,8, 12;237:11 | beliefs (1) 218:11 | blackout (1) 139:17 | broader (1) 99:22 | business (5) 138:5,13,16,19,21 | | Barker (17) 146:3,9,16;147:6,12, 18;148:1;151:10,14; 156:8,11;158:12; 170:12;196:3,4,7;198:16 | below (1) 52:4 | blackouts (1) 139:15 | broader (1) 99:22 | businessman (2) 163:5,6 | | based (23) 24:6;28:8,22;30:3,4; 64:19;91:11,17;93:12; 96:17;98:3;119:16; 141:8;214:7;217:10,21, 23;219:21,21;220:15,17; 222:20;238:21 | bench (3) 35:9;94:16;116:21 | blank (1) 175:5 | bringing (1) 233:3 | busy (1) 232:21 | | basically (6) 32:21;91:17;221:15; 223:7;228:25;237:4 | benhamou (38) 12:15;22:12,23;23:7; 26:22;40:8,9;41:8,17; 42:9,17;44:22;45:4,9; 49:8;55:18;56:8,17; 57:5;62:11,15;63:16; 64:3;70:24;81:14;82:7, 13,24;83:2,6,13;87:1; 91:4,11;92:19;93:13,16; 239:22 | bless (2) 111:6,18 | broader (1) 99:22 | bus (11) 162:14,15,16,19,22, 22,25;163:20,25;164:10; 207:8 | | basis (6) 16:9;24:6;88:4; 106:24;158:12,18 | Benhamou (38) 12:15;22:12,23;23:7; 26:22;40:8,9;41:8,17; 42:9,17;44:22;45:4,9; 49:8;55:18;56:8,17; 57:5;62:11,15;63:16; 64:3;70:24;81:14;82:7, 13,24;83:2,6,13;87:1; 91:4,11;92:19;93:13,16; 239:22 | Block (1) 77:7 | Bronx (43) 38:17;45:13;50:25; 51:9,14,22;52:5,8;53:4, 18;56:10;60:8,9;62:13, 16;87:5;93:19;144:11, 13;145:13;146:3,16,22; 147:12,18;148:1,22,24; 149:12;151:11,15,23,24; 152:3,6;153:1,12;156:9, 11;159:23;172:1; 186:24;187:1 | business (5) 138:5,13,16,19,21 | | beating (1) 185:23 | Benhamou’s (4) 55:13;56:6;62:23;87:2 | Block (1) 77:7 | broader (1) 99:22 | businessman (2) 163:5,6 | | became (2) 16:25;18:3 | besides (5) 76:24;121:3;171:18; 187:19;228:1 | bond (5) 186:3,4,5,9;187:25 | broader (1) 99:22 | busy (1) 232:21 | | become (1) 18:5 | best (4) 12:7;82:11;86:24; 192:7 | bonus (1) 231:17 | Bronxville (47) 18:1;45:11,24;46:9; 50:17,18,22;51:3,6,7,8, 11,20;52:3,7;56:1;71:2; 87:6;144:15;145:12,14, 18,21;146:5;147:2; 148:1,5;149:12;150:5; 151:17,25;152:1,5,25; 153:4,8,14;155:1,24; 158:3;159:19;160:5; 161:24;162:6;172:1; 196:9,11 | called (17) 4:1;5:2,12,12;8:3; 19:6;57:7;64:5,93;12, 16;98:24;99:4;101:1,17; 179:17;185:16,22 | | bed (1) 146:2 | Beth (1) 90:12 | book (3) 150:16;201:25,25 | brother (1) 32:21 | called (17) 4:1;5:2,12,12;8:3; 19:6;57:7;64:5,93;12, 16;98:24;99:4;101:1,17; 179:17;185:16,22 | | bedroom (1) 148:23 | better (4) 85:18;149:7;187:5; 240:5 | Borough (1) 52:8 | brought (17) 6:24;10:25;36:1; 52:14;53:25;61:13;63:7; 90:7;111:8;113:25; 114:16;208:5;234:13; 235:14,21;236:3,7 | calls (2) 7:25;238:9 | | began (1) 213:23 | Beyond (2) 210:8;232:19 | Boston (1) 158:5 | brother (1) 32:21 | calls (1) 121:2 | | begin (2) 145:10;222:19 | Bharara’s (1) 198:4 | both (18) 61:17;148:3;149:11, 12;150:6,7;151:21; 153:15,16,23,24;155:15; 182:8;196:18;216:20; 224:19;230:22;233:24 | Brooklyn (6) 51:9;158:5;159:24,25; 167:25;218:2 | came (23) 13:9,11;23:24;30:19; 49:7;67:4;71:12,13; 87:8,12;107:17;108:6; 115:15;117:13;157:2,4; 170:5,9,14;187:6; 231:11;233:12;234:1 | | bias (8) 26:12;140:23;149:7; 212:17,21;214:9; 217:24;220:10 | biased (5) 15:4;212:14;215:22; 220:20;229:11 | bother (1) 57:6 | brother (1) 32:21 | calling (4) 60:25;100:25;101:3; 239:17 | | biases (2) 141:4,11 | biased (5) 15:4;212:14;215:22; 220:20;229:11 | bottom (9) 17:25;20:22;39:14; 47:2;77:3;125:11; 131:14;178:11;218:23 | brought (17) 6:24;10:25;36:1; 52:14;53:25;61:13;63:7; 90:7;111:8;113:25; 114:16;208:5;234:13; 235:14,21;236:3,7 | calls (2) 7:25;238:9 | | big (3) 91:25;124:23;206:16 | binder (2) 124:24,25 | bounced (1) 165:20 | Brubaker (9) 68:14,16,23;69:19; 74:24;199:25;203:1; 220:1,16 | calms (1) 121:2 | | bio (1) 12:6 | binder (2) 124:24,25 | box (2) 35:14;101:10 | Brubaker’s (5) 69:2,25;74:22;77:25; | came (23) 13:9,11;23:24;30:19; 49:7;67:4;71:12,13; 87:8,12;107:17;108:6; 115:15;117:13;157:2,4; 170:5,9,14;187:6; 231:11;233:12;234:1 |¶

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SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS¶

| can (83) | 179:16;187:4;191:18; 193:16;18;209:6,11; 211:23;212:18,25;213:2, 8;214:13,18,25;215:24; 216:2,3,14,17,20; 218:13;219:21;220:8, 11;221:6,25;222:6,11, 21;231:15,23;232:2,13 | 139:14,15;192:13; 223:13 chairs (1) 7:22 challenge (5) 15:20,20;31:23;32:5, 13 challenged (1) 32:12 challenges (3) 30:3;86:7,8 [REDACTED] (6) 5:2,11,14,16;104:1,4 chance (5) 68:6;95:5;107:21; 210:1;234:5 change (4) 70:16;121:14;122:22; 232:20 changed (3) 27:25;28:1;86:24 changes (1) 76:21 character (1) 142:18 characterization (8) 56:6,8;87:3;127:6; 183:20,22;232:3;233:6 characterize (7) 110:16;128:3;136:23; 154:10;167:20;175:10; 228:6 characterized (1) 229:18 charge (6) 199:6,8,16,17;214:2; 234:6 charged (8) 11:20;149:4;166:1,6; 181:7;183:5,8;234:3 charges (11) 165:24;208:5;220:3; 222:1;233:3,10;234:13; 235:11,14,20;236:3 Charles (1) 4:6 cheap (1) 109:13 check (3) 28:13;29:15;189:15 checking (6) 130:19;131:2,8,17,23; 133:22 Chicago (3) 106:3,7;152:11 children (2) 164:21;171:19 children’s (1) 93:14 Chinese (1) 162:20 choices (3) 15:19;29:19,24 | choose (2) 201:8,11 chose (2) 201:21;228:14 chosen (1) 188:20 [REDACTED] (1) 4:6 chronology (3) 176:24;177:11;224:5 circulated (1) 129:11 circumstance (1) 68:17 circumstances (1) 14:5 cited (1) 24:5 cites (1) 72:11 citizens (1) 140:22 civic (6) 192:6,9,11;224:14,15; 237:7 civil (16) 9:10;38:2,10,12; 51:23;52:6,8,13,17,23, 25;62:16;66:9;94:23; 95:5;153:23 claim (2) 13:19,22 claims (1) 13:20 clarify (2) 22:3;72:6 clarity (1) 56:4 class (3) 12:5;239:24;240:8 classes (2) 239:23;240:13 classics (1) 167:21 clear (6) 13:20;27:18;56:14; 85:25;100:24;101:7 cleared (1) 6:25 clearly (2) 41:4;43:13 clerk (9) 66:17;70:1;93:19; 104:4;105:22;107:9; 108:15,20;117:25 client (14) 5:9;10:5;35:5,10; 128:16;132:17;133:13; 134:6,14;137:10; 142:21;146:11;147:23; 149:3 clients (1) 42:7 | Clinically (1) 180:19 Clinton (6) 111:9;115:22;116:12, 14,16;117:6 Close (6) 49:16,16;64:10;99:20; 188:18;191:4 closed (2) 98:15;99:19 closer (2) 16:21;49:14 closest (2) 35:9;101:14 closing (1) 99:24 closure (3) 97:4;99:22,25 Coffee (4) 52:11,15;62:12,17 cognizance (1) 186:5 colleagues (1) 11:18 collect (1) 82:13 collected (2) 66:20;81:17 collection (1) 82:12 Columbia (1) 42:4 combination (1) 178:7 comfortably (1) 240:22 coming (11) 5:4;15:11;64:9;83:12; 104:5;105:23;106:15, 25;108:11,15,21 commenced (1) 191:1 comment (1) 47:18 Commission (1) 66:9 committed (3) 178:22;231:11;239:8 committee (16) 40:10;41:11;60:23; 80:17;98:3,20;99:18; 120:13;136:11,19; 150:9;176:4,8;191:8; 208:5,5 common (12) 14:6;23:22;24:24; 38:10;50:14;53:17; 116:25;121:19,22;122:1, 1;169:3 communicate (2) 14:13;75:7 communicating (3) 67:9;81:19;238:12 | | ------------------------------------ | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS | | | | | | (5) can - communicating | | | | |¶

| communication (1) | 97:12 | 48:9,25;50:10,14;52:1,5,14;53:25;54:16,17;55:5,8;57:9,19,23;58:19,24;60:23;61:1,1,5,7,10,16,19;62:19;66:3;67:18;68:10,13,19;69:1,2,17,20;70:21;71:2;73:18,23;77:15;78:6;79:8,13,20;81:5,15;83:21;84:16;86:9,18,22;87:18;89:12;90:4,10,14;93:3,7,23;94:6,15;95:2;96:2;99:3,15;100:3,9,14,20,25;101:1,12,16,22;102:1,18,24;103:3;106:13;109:4,19;116:18;122:13;127:11;128:12;129:11,15,19,19,25;130:7,10;133:21;134:3,16;135:23;136:14,18;137:22;140:9;142:23;145:9;148:11,16;152:20;154:6;176:2;193:5;200:16;204:16;208:16;210:6,19;211:16,25;212:24;215:14,21;216:1;217:7,21;218:1;219:20;220:14;221:2;222:17;226:7;228:21,24;229:24;236:6,16;238:22 | 56:1 conspiracy (2) 199:6,16 constantly (1) 156:17 construe (1) 168:24 consultant (5) 14:19;23:20;29:22;61:17;77:6 contact (2) 195:11,15 contacted (2) 5:5,12 contemplate (1) 94:14 contemplating (1) 94:10 contempt (2) 184:10;215:7 contempts (1) 239:8 content (1) 79:4 context (8) 38:3,6,11;122:15,16;217:22;224:2;229:10 continue (5) 54:5;64:10;130:12;193:3;229:24 Continued (6) 33:12;78:13;104:7;149:15;186:25;220:23 contract (1) 218:7 contradiction (2) 200:6;201:2 contradictory (2) 200:21,25 contrary (2) 35:22;112:15 controlled (1) 189:9 controlling (1) 72:21 convenience (2) 181:16;182:2 convenient (1) 181:18 conversation (32) 5:16;56:20,21,24;57:8;58:15,17,21;59:22,24;60:3,21;61:8;67:10;68:22,24,25;69:19,22;70:12;77:13;78:5,10;79:1,4,23,25;87:12,16;93:5;129:24;131:5 conversations (2) 29:22;66:25 convey (1) 115:4 conveyed (2) 74:9;80:13 | conveying (1) 31:16 convict (2) 199:7,16 convicted (23) 139:5,9,22,24;142:21;148:20;181:7;182:19,22,25;183:3;188:25;189:3,8,12;190:3;199:20,24,25;200:3;201:1,2;206:18 convicting (1) 146:11 conviction (7) 32:18,20;33:1;183:12;184:1,3,7 convictions (7) 89:14,15;184:5;185:2;188:19;210:12,13 convince (1) 234:7 convinced (1) 234:5 convincing (1) 219:6 cop (1) 183:10 copied (1) 42:17 copies (2) 18:15;129:11 copy (9) 36:18;59:6,20;64:25;65:2;75:13;97:20;187:20;201:14 corner (1) 180:4 corporate (1) 38:4 corporations (2) 38:7,9 corrected (1) 75:16 corrections (1) 227:17 correctly (6) 33:4;37:13;134:8;145:13;199:18;200:5 couching (1) 195:3 counsel (51) 4:23;5:1;6:10;8:15,18,24;17:22;67:1,15,24;68:2,6,9,13,16,22;69:19,19,25;74:22;77:10,25;78:2;84:7;96:8;97:20;98:11,18;99:1,2,8;102:4,7;107:19,22;124:19,21;125:17,18;126:10,19;129:12,25;132:7;204:8;210:18;216:12;237:14;238:15;240:15,18 counseled (1) | | -------------------------- | ------- | 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| | communication (1) | 97:12 | 48:9,25;50:10,14;52:1,5,14;53:25;54:16,17;55:5,8;57:9,19,23;58:19,24;60:23;61:1,1,5,7,10,16,19;62:19;66:3;67:18;68:10,13,19;69:1,2,17,20;70:21;71:2;73:18,23;77:15;78:6;79:8,13,20;81:5,15;83:21;84:16;86:9,18,22;87:18;89:12;90:4,10,14;93:3,7,23;94:6,15;95:2;96:2;99:3,15;100:3,9,14,20,25;101:1,12,16,22;102:1,18,24;103:3;106:13;109:4,19;116:18;122:13;127:11;128:12;129:11,15,19,19,25;130:7,10;133:21;134:3,16;135:23;136:14,18;137:22;140:9;142:23;145:9;148:11,16;152:20;154:6;176:2;193:5;200:16;204:16;208:16;210:6,19;211:16,25;212:24;215:14,21;216:1;217:7,21;218:1;219:20;220:14;221:2;222:17;226:7;228:21,24;229:24;236:6,16;238:22 | 56:1 conspiracy (2) 199:6,16 constantly (1) 156:17 construe (1) 168:24 consultant (5) 14:19;23:20;29:22;61:17;77:6 contact (2) 195:11,15 contacted (2) 5:5,12 contemplate (1) 94:14 contemplating (1) 94:10 contempt (2) 184:10;215:7 contempts (1) 239:8 content (1) 79:4 context (8) 38:3,6,11;122:15,16;217:22;224:2;229:10 continue (5) 54:5;64:10;130:12;193:3;229:24 Continued (6) 33:12;78:13;104:7;149:15;186:25;220:23 contract (1) 218:7 contradiction (2) 200:6;201:2 contradictory (2) 200:21,25 contrary (2) 35:22;112:15 controlled (1) 189:9 controlling (1) 72:21 convenience (2) 181:16;182:2 convenient (1) 181:18 conversation (32) 5:16;56:20,21,24;57:8;58:15,17,21;59:22,24;60:3,21;61:8;67:10;68:22,24,25;69:19,22;70:12;77:13;78:5,10;79:1,4,23,25;87:12,16;93:5;129:24;131:5 conversations (2) 29:22;66:25 convey (1) 115:4 conveyed (2) 74:9;80:13 | conveying (1) 31:16 convict (2) 199:7,16 convicted (23) 139:5,9,22,24;142:21;148:20;181:7;182:19,22,25;183:3;188:25;189:3,8,12;190:3;199:20,24,25;200:3;201:1,2;206:18 convicting (1) 146:11 conviction (7) 32:18,20;33:1;183:12;184:1,3,7 convictions (7) 89:14,15;184:5;185:2;188:19;210:12,13 convince (1) 234:7 convinced (1) 234:5 convincing (1) 219:6 cop (1) 183:10 copied (1) 42:17 copies (2) 18:15;129:11 copy (9) 36:18;59:6,20;64:25;65:2;75:13;97:20;187:20;201:14 corner (1) 180:4 corporate (1) 38:4 corporations (2) 38:7,9 corrected (1) 75:16 corrections (1) 227:17 correctly (6) 33:4;37:13;134:8;145:13;199:18;200:5 couching (1) 195:3 counsel (51) 4:23;5:1;6:10;8:15,18,24;17:22;67:1,15,24;68:2,6,9,13,16,22;69:19,19,25;74:22;77:10,25;78:2;84:7;96:8;97:20;98:11,18;99:1,2,8;102:4,7;107:19,22;124:19,21;125:17,18;126:10,19;129:12,25;132:7;204:8;210:18;216:12;237:14;238:15;240:15,18 counseled (1) |¶

5:17	148:4,7,10;150:20;	crime (3)	David (20)	95:16;101:5;141:25;
counsels (1)	152:9,18,21;153:16;	166:6;182:19;192:14	12:15;22:12,23;26:22;	142:6,10,23;143:8;
69:2	154:9;155:9;156:21;	crimes (1)	40:8;41:8;44:22;45:4;	147:25;159:22;165:13;
counsel’s (4)	159:9;160:8,25;161:3,9;	182:23	47:2;49:6,8;50:2,3;	167:2,3,8,11;172:11,24;
35:13;129:8;177:23;	162:9,11;163:18,23;	criminal (34)	55:22;62:11;63:16;	183:17;184:24;185:1;
200:18	164:18,21;167:4,9,11,	9:10;10:25;11:12;	70:24;83:13;199:7;	188:13,15;197:15;
Count (2)	18:169;5,10;170:6;	32:16;38:5,7;66:8,8;	213:12	217:10;235:20
201:1,2	171:4,12;172:9;173:17,	94:15;100:10;148:14;	David’s (1)	decision-making (1)
counts (1)	19:174;20,22,23;175:11,	153:23;154:15;155:15;	47:18	10:4
74:24	12,20,24;176:3,6,20,22;	163:8;184:10;185:2;	4:5;8:21;40:9;202:2	decisions (1)
county (5)	177:21,22;179:19,21;	190:12,19;192:21;	4:5;8:21;40:9;202:2	14:24
144:6,24;145:18,21;	181:25;183:24;187:19,	212:13;215:3,22;216:2,	day (44)	declaration (4)
148:5	21,22;190:16;192:9,20,	7;222:11;229:1,8,9,16;	23:13,13;39:6;57:7;	65:12;66:1;80:5,24
couple (5)	24,193:3;194:6,8;198:1;	233:10;235:14,20;236:3	58:5,7;59:9;61:24;64:5;	deemed (1)
22:1;67:3;156:1;	199:14;200:12,14,18;	criminals (2)	69:23;71:9,10;96:6;	186:24
177:7;226:21	201:6;202:9;203:11,16,	229:2,16	110:13;127:11;139:16;	deems (1)
course (26)	25;204:5,8,11,13,19;	crooks (6)	143:3;146:15;147:3,5,7,	85:6
5:13;21:14;48:24;	208:2,3,10;209:16,21;	114:11;203:7,13;	8,15;155:1,2;156:17;	deeply (1)
110:24;114:25;123:2;	211:1,6,8,10,12;217:13;	210:22,23;211:19	165:11;185:3,5;191:21;	53:12
142:18;158:24;164:1,9,	221:23;222:24;223:5,7,	crossed (2)	194:1,13,13;195:2;	defective (5)
17;166:12;168:1,6;	730:3;231:11;233:7;	80:2;224:10	200:7;205:18,20;206:4;	186:17,18,22;187:2,7
170:11;171:3,11,21;	234:11,23;235:18;236:5,	84:23;211:14;229:22	224:2;231:3,7;232:5,18;	defendant (8)
173:8;174:2;185:21,22;	9,14,16;237:2,14,16,18,	cross-examining (1)	239:21	4:18;101:3,15,17;
188:12;192:12;194:18;	22,24;238:2,18;239:5,	169:20	days (13)	149:9;153:23;210:20;
224:16	12,19,21,24;240:1,4,8,	crossing (1)	64:19;150:7,10,23;	216:2
COURT (321)	11,14,15,18,21	63:5	151:7,15;165:16;199:6,	defendants (22)
4:2,8,9,12,13,17,21;	courthouse (4)	Crownmayer (1)	15	defendants (22)
5:1,13,17,19,20,23;6:1,5,	6:24;58:8,13;109:20	90:12	day-to-day (1)	defendants (22)
9,10,13,17,20;7:14,17,	courtroom (24)	cup (1)	158:11	defense (23)
23:8;5,6,9;9:15;11:9;	4:24;7:1;18:16;86:8;	109:9	dead (1)	10:25;15:1,6;16:13,
13:16;17:7,11,16;19:12,	97:4;99:5,9,19,20;102:6;	cured (1)	159:21	14,22;68:2,6,18;73:13;
19,24;35:2;36:4,21,24;	103:4;108:6;118:2;	174:10	dealt (1)	87:19;187:5;193:23;
37:3,7,17;38:17;48:5,6;	153:25;217:3,15;	curiosity (7)	debate (1)	195:12;204:7,8;210:18;
52:8;53:6,23;54:4;	219:22;220:17;232:21,	221:18;222:9;231:15,	28:16	214:16;228:25;229:13;
61:17;63:2;64:12,15;	24;233:9;234:12;235:9;	24;232:2,13,15	decade (2)	238:8,9;240:18
65:17,21;69:4,17;72:11;	238:13	current (2)	174:7,11	defensing (1)
74:12;75:23;76:12;	Court’s (10)	157:23;158:9	December (27)	67:24
77:23;79:9;80:25;81:6,	63:7,13;70:1,6;96:17;	currently (1)	105:13;109:20;110:3,	definitely (2)
12;82:4;84:3,7,12,15,18,	98:23;130:14;138:19;	6:22	6,9,22;113:10,22;	15:21;237:9
89:16,21,24;95:20,22;	171:9;184:22	cut (4)	117:13;121:11;124:2,7;	definition (1)
96:1,5,6,17,24;97:2,8,19,	covered (1)	D	126:19;130:14;131:6;	214:3
21,23;98:17,22;99:1,2,7,	172:8	Daily (1)	138:3;157:3;170:6;	defy (1)
14,23,24;100:4,7,17;	cow (3)	date (20)	173:9,15;175:21;	141:16
101:9,12,19,20,23;	50:5;91:17,19	25:11;47:5;48:8;	199:19;200:4,21;	degree (5)
102:13,18;104:5;105:1,	Craig (2)	54:25;55:2;68:25;103:6,	203:12;223:5;231:9	45:4;59:11;86:13;
2,7,9,15,18;106:5,14,22,	68:14;74:22	7;109:17;149:14;	decide (6)	95:9;218:2
25;108:10;109:23;	crazy (1)	150:25;151:1,14;163:1;	140:22;166:5;208:22,	deliberate (18)
110:2,6,8,13,20;112:6;	created (13)	185:15;186:19;188:10;	23;217:2;239:5	141:25;142:6,10,23;
113:3,22;115:1,15,18;	19:6;20:3,4,6,12,14;	194:3;234:25;235:2	decided (7)	144:8;147:25;155:2;
117:4;118:24;119:11,	82:7;97:15;162:1	dated (4)	85:17;114:11,14;	157:14;159:22;161:11;
14;120:19;121:18;	creation (1)	22:12;26:21;63:16;	141:16,20;154:4;240:6	167:2,3,8,11;183:17;
122:7,10,12,12;123:4,	20:7	99:15	decides (1)	184:24;185:1;188:13
10,12;125:6,8,14;126:8,	credibility (1)	dates (3)	101:4	deliberated (1)
16;127:12,15;128:24;	192:15	48:1;54:20;189:10	deciding (1)	214:6
129:2,8,12,17,21;130:3,	credit (1)	Daugerdas (12)	112:8	deliberately (3)
6,9,24;131:16;133:18,	creditor (1)	4:7,10;77:10;102:6,	decision (27)	43:10;141:16,20
19;134:19;135:10;	credibility (1)	10;103:8;118:9;134:6;	14:22;23:1;72:11;	deliberating (4)
136:14,16;137:24;138:1,	52:10	137:2,3;147:22;212:18
4,12,14;139:8,21;140:3;
141:6,11,16,20,25;
142:6,11,13,24;143:3,9,
20;145:3,5,15;146:7;

| 169:6,12;183:18; 213:23 | determining (3) 158:25;159:1;211:18 | disabled (1) 239:8 | 239:10 | 60:17;62:18;82:24; 83:14;84:19;91:5;92:20; 93:21;96:25;101:15; 111:13;113:23;114:20; 121:2;132:10,11; 145:15;151:21,23; 229:7;238:5;239:14 | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | deliberations (10) 96:6,11;169:9;200:10, 14,16;205:6;213:21; 219:6;222:19 | developed (1) 129:9 | disagree (1) 15:12 | displease (1) 236:2 | Dr (8) 177:18,24;178:10; 180:23;206:8;218:16; 219:4,6 | | demonstrate (2) 99:21;224:7 | devoted (1) 237:3 | disagreed (1) 223:17 | dispute (1) 119:1 | drafted (1) 65:7 | | demonstrate (2) 99:21;224:7 | diagnosed (1) 176:12 | disappoint (1) 235:2 | disregard (3) 173:10,23;217:11 | downstairs (1) 238:13 | | demonstrates (1) 126:18 | difference (3) 142:17,18;225:25 | disbarred (1) 119:23 | disregarded (1) 218:11 | Dr (8) 177:18,24;178:10; 180:23;206:8;218:16; 219:4,6 | | denied (2) 35:2;100:12 | different (20) 16:11;19:10;31:10; 51:10;66:1,2,6;76:20; 87:8,11;91:14;113:19; 122:5,5;154:21,22; 171:16;187:2;210:16,16 | discharged (1) 180:11 | disseminated (1) 100:4 | Drafted (1) 65:7 | | Department (19) 23:2,16;26:3,6;30:12; 32:1;55:8;89:13;98:4,9; 99:19;148:17;150:8,21; 151:3;173:12;175:17; 180:5;190:22 | dire (126) 11:12,13,16,17,22,24; 12:12,19;13:2,13;14:18, 19;16:24;17:23;18:6,11, 16;19:8;20:13,14,15,24, 25;21:5,7,21;22:4,18; 23:10,12,14,15;24:17, 20;25:9;28:2,5,9,23; 29:2,15,18,21;30:1,5,7, 11,18;32:15;33:5;34:2, 3;35:3;38:16;42:18; 43:3,9,16,19;44:2,9; 47:13;49:22,24;50:18, 20;59:4;60:4;64:20; 69:4,8,17;70:22;71:13, 19,24;72:20;83:4;86:15; 89:6,12,92:10;94:6; 96:14;102:2;103:14; 140:10,11,13,21;141:3, 9;143:1;147:3,5,8,15; 149:13;159:25;161:22; 162:23;165:25;167:17; 171:16;185:4;191:1; 192:17;203:20;207:16; 216:21;222:8;226:16; 227:13,22;228:1,2,13, 21;229:1;230:2;232:16; 234:14,17,20;236:18; 237:12 | disciplinary (26) 40:10;41:10;60:22; 80:17;98:2,3,20;99:18; 100:6;120:12;136:11, 19;150:9;151:4;155:20, 23;176:3,8;191:8,12,16; 207:22;208:4,5;216:10, 12 | distinction (1) 143:22 | drafter (4) 65:8,72;17;73:8,9 | | deposition (1) 156:2 | dire (126) 11:12,13,16,17,22,24; 12:12,19;13:2,13;14:18, 19;16:24;17:23;18:6,11, 16;19:8;20:13,14,15,24, 25;21:5,7,21;22:4,18; 23:10,12,14,15;24:17, 20;25:9;28:2,5,9,23; 29:2,15,18,21;30:1,5,7, 11,18;32:15;33:5;34:2, 3;35:3;38:16;42:18; 43:3,9,16,19;44:2,9; 47:13;49:22,24;50:18, 20;59:4;60:4;64:20; 69:4,8,17;70:22;71:13, 19,24;72:20;83:4;86:15; 89:6,12,92:10;94:6; 96:14;102:2;103:14; 140:10,11,13,21;141:3, 9;143:1;147:3,5,8,15; 149:13;159:25;161:22; 162:23;165:25;167:17; 171:16;185:4;191:1; 192:17;203:20;207:16; 216:21;222:8;226:16; 227:13,22;228:1,2,13, 21;229:1;230:2;232:16; 234:14,17,20;236:18; 237:12 | disclosed (13) 43:11;67:15;77:13; 79:8,16;80:24;81:6; 83:20,25;85:17,19; 95:16;188:13 | district (5) 30:20;105:6;203:17, 19;235:25 | drafters (1) 73:10 | | deputy (11) 5:3;104:4;106:25; 107:9;108:14,20;117:17, 25;129:24;238:9;239:15 | disclosing (1) 185:13 | disclose (13) 43:11;67:15;77:13; 79:8,16;80:24;81:6; 83:20,25;85:17,19; 95:16;188:13 | docket (1) 51:19 | drafting (6) 25:16;65:6;76:15,18; 79:11;85:24 | | DeRosa (3) 206:8;218:16;219:4 | disclosed (7) 32:15;43:5;44:3;68:9; 83:4;97:15;190:12 | disclosing (1) 185:13 | document (19) 17:5,19,22,25;18:8,12, 21,25;19:15;20:2,12,25; 21:4,8,20;124:25;136:6; 179:16;180:4 | drafts (1) 76:20 | | DeRosa’s (1) 219:6 | discovered (1) 129:13 | discourage (1) 93:6 | docket (1) 51:19 | draw (4) 64:16;66:5;129:8; 233:19 | | describe (5) 14:17;58:20;70:19; 82:6;205:17 | discredit (2) 142:20,20 | discovery (1) 81:24 | doctor (1) 176:12 | draws (1) 52:22 | | described (3) 49:8;50:4;221:25 | discuss (3) 58:19;200:10,14 | discussed (4) 7:5;61:20;76:5;117:7 | dollars (1) 232:20 | drink (3) 109:8,25;110:3 | | description (1) 231:15 | discussion (7) 69:14;74:1,3;83:24; 87:17;93:10;112:23 | discussing (3) 63:4;133:4,18 | DOJ (1) 148:18 | drinking (6) 109:4,6,15;179:10; 184:18,19 | | designed (2) 20:8;29:24 | discussions (5) 67:8;83:20;87:23; 88:3,9 | done (11) 13:24;23:10;81:8; 142:19;153:18;163:13; 192:2;198:19;208:17; 238:23,24 | Donna (1) 4:12 | drivers (1) 193:7 | | desire (1) 222:14 | directing (8) 6:17;17:19;131:10,12; 133:19;139:10;146:7; 177:22 | done (11) 13:24;23:10;81:8; 142:19;153:18;163:13; 192:2;198:19;208:17; 238:23,24 | Donna (1) 4:12 | drivers (1) 193:7 | | destroy (1) 231:6 | directed (4) 5:6;43:13;67:13; 120:19 | door (1) 146:3 | Douna (1) 70:5 | driving (2) 182:25;215:6 | | destroyed (2) 231:8,8 | directing (8) 6:17;17:19;131:10,12; 133:19;139:10;146:7; 177:22 | door (1) 146:3 | Due (1) 180:11 | drivers (1) 183:3,5,12;184:4,5 | | details (2) 29:7;62:24 | direction (1) 48:5 | dossier (7) 43:25;44:11,21;81:15, 17;82:6,12 | Due (1) 70:5 | driver (1) 183:3,5,12;184:4,5 | | determinant (1) 128:17 | direction (1) 48:5 | dots (3) 210:24;211:18;227:16 | Due (1) 180:11 | Duane (1) 111:6,18;112:5,23; 113:7,21 | | determination (3) 14:2;125:16;126:9 | directly (2) 200:18,21 | doubt (1) 210:8 | Due (1) 111:21,25 | due (1) 180:11 | | determine (3) 130:15;137:24;158:22 | disability (1) 175:14 | down (30) 29:3,6,14;45:15; 50:15;55:17;56:2,17; | Duly (2) 8:4;101:18 | during (87) 8:24;12:21;20:23; | | determined (3) 43:10;149:6;235:15 | | | | |¶

deliberations - during (8)SOUTHERN DISTRICT REPORTERS¶

| 21:5,7;28:9;30:5,7,10, 18:32;15:33;5:34;17,17, 20:35;3,3,20;36:17; 39:20;42:18;43:2,4; 44:2,9;46:11;47:13; 48:24;50:13;56:5;59:22; 60:21;61:8;63:1,8,13; 64:9,20;66:20;67:17; 69:4,25;71:19,24;72:20, 25;74:17,19;75:3,8; 79:20;80:7,8,21;25:85:4; 88:18;89:5,12;92:10; 93:5;94:6,20,24;95:17; 96:11;99:16;101:10; 103:14;106:11;109:23; 112:20;129:13;143:1; 165:16;181:9;182:13; 213:23;216:20,21; 221:17;222:7;234:14,17, 19;236:18;237:12 | 178:12,18 effects (1) 110:5 either (25) 10:11;20:6;24:22; 29:23;41:16;47:15; 48:22;69:19;71:17,22; 77:14;80:20;94:5;98:12; 107:7;134:12;136:9; 139:9;140:24,24; 160:13;166:18;179:11; 183:7;229:12 elderly (3) 230:13,16,23 Election (1) 66:9 eleven (6) 137:9;142:21;148:6; 149:6;194:20,23 elicit (1) 101:2 else (14) 44:24;56:17;60:18; 67:20;76:24;83:24; 134:2;140:17;172:23; 173:6;174:24;194:18; 237:2;239:17 else’s (1) 235:23 email (25) 14:13;22:11,11,16,23; 26:21,25;27:4,7,22; 81:14;82:23;83:6,7,7,9, 13:90;22:91;3,4,8,11,15; 92:16,19 e-mail (27) 39:6,9,14,14,15,19,22; 40:7,25;42:18;45:9; 47:1,25;48:1,8;50:4; 55:11,13,21;56:4;57:10; 58:6;62:11,15,23;70:1, 15 emails (3) 80:10;83:12;93:23 e-mails (7) 40:6,21,22;42:13; 57:9,12;59:18 e-mail’s (1) 43:24 embarrassed (1) 152:3 emblematic (1) 219:15 emergency (1) 96:7 emphasize (1) 202:20 employ (1) 10:4 employee (2) 30:21;31:7 employment (1) 26:11 | end (25) 28:5;30:1;35:9;38:19; 56:19;57:7;58:7;59:24; 60:5;64:5;71:9,10; 86:23;92:14;116:16; 159:7;181:4;205:18,20; 206:4;211:4;216:21; 220:8;222:15;226:24 endeavor (1) 192:25 ended (1) 185:23 endorphins (1) 207:25 enforcement (2) 32:2,4 engaged (1) 156:18 engaging (1) 226:3 English (3) 167:21;171:23;202:6 enjoy (1) 232:21 enlisted (1) 88:22 enlisting (1) 88:19 enormous (2) 210:3,5 enormously (1) 234:9 enough (7) 46:22;47:9;49:20; 53:18;88:14;200:1; 210:3 ensure (1) 30:7 entered (2) 94:19;234:12 entire (5) 19:15;50:21;51:5; 96:11;234:20 entirely (1) 28:19 enumerated (1) 232:25 envelope (1) 201:14 envelopes (1) 182:1 episode (1) 96:12 Eric (1) 238:10 error (1) 96:1 essence (2) 128:21;200:13 established (4) 131:6;157:9,10; 158:11 estimate (1) | 169:22 et (1) 8:21 eternity (1) 201:15 evaluate (1) 16:2 evaluating (2) 159:15;164:15 evaluation (2) 159:11;176:23 evaluations (1) 100:7 evasion (1) 215:19 even (18) 30:10;31:23;39:4; 46:21;47:15;70:18; 87:14;91:10;112:12; 152:15;182:15;184:19; 191:20;197:24;207:2; 221:11;225:21;240:5 evening (5) 69:23;70:14;185:6; 240:16,23 event (3) 7:6;34:17;70:15 events (2) 176:24;214:22 eventually (5) 16:25;18:3,5;49:6; 126:7 everybody (6) 39:23;140:17;199:25; 237:2,6,13 Everyone (1) 115:1 eviction (2) 52:4,6 evidence (58) 11:10;17:17,18;19:25; 20:1;35:21;36:24,25; 65:22,23,24;75:24,25; 76:13,14;125:8,9; 143:19;145:5,6;159:5; 164:15;173:19,20; 175:24,25;176:6,7; 177:16;179:21,22; 187:8;194:8,9;200:1; 204:1,3;205:5,18;206:4; 211:4,10,11,22;212:9; 213:1,8;216:3,13;217:3, 10,14,14,22;219:23; 220:11,17;222:20 evinces (2) 173:10,23 exact (3) 134:11;144:23;194:3 exactly (8) 12:13;44:1;58:21; 85:19;103:13;141:1; 196:22;226:3 EXAMINATION (11) | 8:11,20;44:7;84:25; 90:1;101:10,24;130:12; 204:14;222:24,25 example (3) 34:14;38:5;219:15 examples (1) 13:7 except (1) 199:25 excerpt (2) 17:6;70:25 excerpted (2) 70:25;91:12 excluded (2) 187:8;217:12 exclusively (2) 38:1,12 Excuse (2) 196:21;231:21 excused (6) 90:10;96:9,24;97:1; 238:6,7 execute (1) 6:18 executed (3) 5:21;150:23;151:14 exercised (3) 30:6;32:12;86:7 exercising (2) 29:8;30:2 Exhibit (86) 10:11,13,15,22;11:4,9; 12:6;17:3,10,16,18; 18:17,18;19:9,11,19,24; 20:1,5,19,22;21:24; 26:19;31:1;36:15,24,25; 39:11;64:23;65:10,16, 21,23,24,25;75:11,19,23, 25;76:1,8,12,14,25;80:5; 82:8,15,20;83:11;85:2; 87:23;124:25;125:9; 126:14;129:12;130:21; 145:2,5,6;150:16; 157:19,20;173:15,19,20; 175:20,24,25;176:6,7, 11;177:16,17,18;179:13, 21,22;181:2;194:5,8,9, 10;199:22;204:17; 211:11;230:3 exhibits (4) 65:2;203:23,25;204:2 existence (2) 43:11;70:20 existing (1) 238:3 expectation (1) 197:11 expected (1) 62:18 expenses (2) 137:18,19 experience (14) 10:7;28:8;31:18; |¶

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| 52:23;53:5,8,17;119:16;154:1;165:19;207:24,25;222:9;236:23 | 171:6,19;172:6;173:8,9;176:18;179:9;185:13;189:3;191:12,15;193:9;213:18;216:1,6,16;219:12;225:3,4,16;227:6,21;235:5 | 26:11 fault (2) 44:17;171:9 favor (11) 111:8;113:25;114:2,8;140:23;212:9;213:4;219:17;229:11,16;238:15 favorable (1) 28:4 FBI (1) 32:4 fear (1) 220:9 February (21) 99:15;116:20;118:8;129:22;136:1,7,20;147:7;150:20,24;151:13;153:12;177:2,4,4,12;179:1,4;181:4,5;240:24 federal (14) 9:14;31:25;66:9;106:15;109:19;116:6;120:9;122:17;132:8,23;136:2;138:1;222:11;223:7 fee (1) 221:11 feel (3) 112:18;198:9;208:2 feelings (1) 212:21 felon (7) 139:5,9,22,24;148:20;199:24;206:18 felonies (1) 181:8 felony (2) 89:15;210:13 felt (5) 60:16;91:10;138:22;154:11;205:6 ferret (1) 141:11 ferreting (1) 141:4 few (16) 18:23;20:5;37:11;44:7;67:3;81:13;82:2;90:5;103:4;151:15;153:7,19,22;220:6;221:2;232:17 Field (3) 4:16,18;77:11 [REDACTED] (1) 20:8 Fifth (7) 99:3;100:20;102:4,7,9,19;233:25 fight (5) 205:1,8,14;206:1;213:19 | fighting (4) 205:4,9,14;213:19 fights (1) 156:18 figure (1) 50:6 file (7) 23:6;44:22;63:19;82:7,9,14,19 filed (31) 46:4;53:11,14;62:19;64:17,19,24;65:12;66:25;68:5,8;72:10,22;73:15;95:15;97:23;114:18,24;115:1;135:23;136:5,6,8,10,20;150:7,17,20;181:4;191:20;224:3 files (3) 44:16;66:9;95:11 filing (4) 67:1,9;72:14;83:18 filings (2) 100:5,7 fill (1) 126:5 filled (1) 137:22 final (4) 29:5;53:8;73:14;222:17 finances (9) 131:25;132:6,12,14,19,22;133:3,10,18 financial (15) 126:3,6,11,18;129:10;130:16;133:23;134:20,25;135:3;137:16,25;138:25;207:15;214:24 financially (4) 124:12;136:24;137:3,12 find (7) 60:1,93;18:95;11:108;25:213:3;219:12;223:16 findable (1) 81:23 finding (2) 131:13;206:25 findings (1) 99:25 fine (6) 19:17,19;84:7;101:9;137:13;238:17 finish (4) 50:24;64:12;136:22;240:22 finished (2) 207:3,5 finishing (2) 64:11;130:6 Fink (1) | 77:8 firm (37) 9:2,6;12:6,23;13:1;16:1;18:11;21:11,12,17;24:22;25:3,5,8;28:12;30:4;42:2;44:14,24;45:2;66:17,23;67:20;74:2;75:2,4;77:16;78:3,10;79:2;83:21,24;86:7;87:24;88:10,19,22 firms (1) 77:10 firm’s (3) 10:19;79:7;81:4 First (43) 5:1;6:25;7:11,24;23:1,13,13;37:7;43:8;50:24;55:8;65:7;73:9;75:4;83:9;86:25;89:13;93:15;98:4,9;99:18;129:9;138:8;142:7,8;143:3;144:4,7;145:11;147:15;150:8,21;151:3;170:16;173:12;175:17;176:21,24;183:5,7;184:1;185:3;223:20 fit (1) 31:14 fitness (1) 176:21 five (3) 58:16;63:22;130:9 fix (1) 69:14 flash (1) 39:21 flirtatious (1) 197:24 floor (1) 156:14 focus (7) 15:8,9;25:17,18;44:7;50:12;145:8 focused (9) 23:9;24:10,10;25:11;42:21;49:5;55:6;61:3;72:18 folded (2) 183:20,21 folders (3) 21:11,15,18 Foley (1) 58:12 follow (25) 217:7,19,224:24;225:1,2,5,6,16;226:19;227:5,6,9,9,12,14,17,19,22;228:2,8,9,12,13,14,18 followed (6) 224:20,23;225:11,13;226:22;228:11 following (1) 181:8 | | 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| | F | | | | | | facility (1) | | | | | | 176:13 | | | | | | facing (2) | | | | | | 35:13;126:13 | | | | | | fact (64) | | | | | | 26:4;28:20;30:24;34:20;46:4,6;47:16;49:4,7;59:14;61:20;63:12;65:7;68:1;73:7,8;74:4;85:21;91:15;95:1;98:3;114:22;124:6;127:11;132:13;133:10;142:1,2,19,21;143:12,15;147:18;148:11;152:5;159:23;164:14;166:9,13;167:6;169:17; | 171:6,19;172:6;173:8,9;176:18;179:9;185:13;189:3;191:12,15;193:9;213:18;216:1,6,16;219:12;225:3,4,16;227:6,21;235:5 factor (8) 15:10,11,13;231:5;232:8,10,11,18 factors (1) 26:10 facts (19) 32:3;56:23;72:18;73:17;74:19;75:3,4;78:1;79:7;81:5,9;85:5;25:94;20:97;16:101;201:5;217:2,4 factual (1) 25:19 factually (1) 214:21 failed (2) 212:12,13 fair (39) 15:3;28:3;30:7;31:20;66:3,19;71:16,21;94:9;131:20;148:7;153:21;159:6;160:22;205:6;209:7;212:20,22;213:9;214:6,9,15;215:19,21;216:8;218:5,10,14;219:3,7,15,18,19;221:11;225:22;228:22;231:19;236:22;237:8 fairly (5) 140:22;192:8;216:3,13;238:25 faithful (1) 163:15 fall (1) 171:3 false (5) 28:19,20;72:24;162:1,4 familiar (1) 223:6 family (3) 32:3;188:18,18 fantasy (1) 198:7 far (7) 63:9;71:15;201:20;210:16;225:10;228:25;239:3 fashion (1) 192:13 fate (1) 192:16 father (11) 23:16;26:2;46:19,24;47:10,12,17,22;148:16,20;190:22 father’s (1) | 26:11 fault (2) 44:17;171:9 favor (11) 111:8;113:25;114:2,8;140:23;212:9;213:4;219:17;229:11,16;238:15 favorable (1) 28:4 FBI (1) 32:4 fear (1) 220:9 February (21) 99:15;116:20;118:8;129:22;136:1,7,20;147:7;150:20,24;151:13;153:12;177:2,4,4,12;179:1,4;181:4,5;240:24 federal (14) 9:14;31:25;66:9;106:15;109:19;116:6;120:9;122:17;132:8,23;136:2;138:1;222:11;223:7 fee (1) 221:11 feel (3) 112:18;198:9;208:2 feelings (1) 212:21 felon (7) 139:5,9,22,24;148:20;199:24;206:18 felonies (1) 181:8 felony (2) 89:15;210:13 felt (5) 60:16;91:10;138:22;154:11;205:6 ferret (1) 141:11 ferreting (1) 141:4 few (16) 18:23;20:5;37:11;44:7;67:3;81:13;82:2;90:5;103:4;151:15;153:7,19,22;220:6;221:2;232:17 Field (3) 4:16,18;77:11 [REDACTED] (1) 20:8 Fifth (7) 99:3;100:20;102:4,7,9,19;233:25 fight (5) 205:1,8,14;206:1;213:19 | fighting (4) 205:4,9,14;213:19 fights (1) 156:18 figure (1) 50:6 file (7) 23:6;44:22;63:19;82:7,9,14,19 filed (31) 46:4;53:11,14;62:19;64:17,19,24;65:12;66:25;68:5,8;72:10,22;73:15;95:15;97:23;114:18,24;115:1;135:23;136:5,6,8,10,20;150:7,17,20;181:4;191:20;224:3 files (3) 44:16;66:9;95:11 filing (4) 67:1,9;72:14;83:18 filings (2) 100:5,7 fill (1) 126:5 filled (1) 137:22 final (4) 29:5;53:8;73:14;222:17 finances (9) 131:25;132:6,12,14,19,22;133:3,10,18 financial (15) 126:3,6,11,18;129:10;130:16;133:23;134:20,25;135:3;137:16,25;138:25;207:15;214:24 financially (4) 124:12;136:24;137:3,12 find (7) 60:1,93;18:95;11:108;25:213:3;219:12;223:16 findable (1) 81:23 finding (2) 131:13;206:25 findings (1) 99:25 fine (6) 19:17,19;84:7;101:9;137:13;238:17 finish (4) 50:24;64:12;136:22;240:22 finished (2) 207:3,5 finishing (2) 64:11;130:6 Fink (1) | 77:8 firm (37) 9:2,6;12:6,23;13:1;16:1;18:11;21:11,12,17;24:22;25:3,5,8;28:12;30:4;42:2;44:14,24;45:2;66:17,23;67:20;74:2;75:2,4;77:16;78:3,10;79:2;83:21,24;86:7;87:24;88:10,19,22 firms (1) 77:10 firm’s (3) 10:19;79:7;81:4 First (43) 5:1;6:25;7:11,24;23:1,13,13;37:7;43:8;50:24;55:8;65:7;73:9;75:4;83:9;86:25;89:13;93:15;98:4,9;99:18;129:9;138:8;142:7,8;143:3;144:4,7;145:11;147:15;150:8,21;151:3;170:16;173:12;175:17;176:21,24;183:5,7;184:1;185:3;223:20 fit (1) 31:14 fitness (1) 176:21 five (3) 58:16;63:22;130:9 fix (1) 69:14 flash (1) 39:21 flirtatious (1) 197:24 floor (1) 156:14 focus (7) 15:8,9;25:17,18;44:7;50:12;145:8 focused (9) 23:9;24:10,10;25:11;42:21;49:5;55:6;61:3;72:18 folded (2) 183:20,21 folders (3) 21:11,15,18 Foley (1) 58:12 follow (25) 217:7,19,224:24;225:1,2,5,6,16;226:19;227:5,6,9,9,12,14,17,19,22;228:2,8,9,12,13,14,18 followed (6) 224:20,23;225:11,13;226:22;228:11 following (1) 181:8 |¶

| follows (3) 8:4;101:18;193:14 folly (2) 237:6,7 Foods (2) 52:11,14 football (5) 111:20,21,24,25;112:5 forethought (1) 197:10 forewoman (1) 169:4 forget (1) 140:2 forgotten (1) 188:11 form (21) 10:11;77:21,23;81:17;106:5;115:17,18;126:19,23;128:9;134:19;154:8;159:9;183:23;202:7;209:21;220:21;221:18,20;234:22,23 formally (1) 177:11 former (2) 7:13;30:20 forth (2) 31:4;73:22 forthright (1) 10:8 forthwith (2) 5:21;6:24 forum (1) 175:5 forward (1) 59:17 fought (3) 205:1,8;206:1 foul (1) 228:25 found (18) 22:18;41:3;44:18;60:22;61:6,18;66:16,17,18;68:19;69:6;79:12;173:9,22;211:22;213:24;219:5,17 four (7) 7:9,12;151:7;157:6,7;218:23;238:14 fourth (1) 7:13 Francisco (2) 11:19;12:2 [REDACTED] (1) 6:7 frankly (1) 18:10 fraud (2) 166:1;189:15 free (1) 238:5 frequently (1)¶

| 91:7 fricken (3) 114:11;203:7,12 Friday (1) 69:23 [REDACTED] (1) 175:22 front (11) 10:12;59:6;73:3;105:12;124:24;138:17;146:3;196:1,2;225:9;239:9 fruitful (2) 28:16;69:12 fruitless (2) 14:9;24:25 frustration (1) 44:12 full (5) 8:5;37:18;77:5;82:16;101:19 function (1) 164:5 funded (1) 137:25 funds (1) 126:15 funny (1) 181:19 furnished (1) 99:1 further (22) 71:4;84:2;88:19;89:22;93:11,23;95:21;96:4,17;97:6;99:8;107:9;190:16;204:4;217:12;222:23;229:19;236:8,9,13,14;237:14 G¶

| gather (1) 13:22 gathered (1) 27:1 gathering (1) 66:12 gave (20) 6:6;15:24;26:2,14,16;27:5;28:5;30:4;34:8;49:24;118:22;136:18;153:8;214:8;217:23;220:18;224:18;225:13;226:17;233:18 gears (1) 83:18 general (4) 23:15;31:21;217:16;221:25 generally (3) 109:18;130:17;166:25 genuinely (1) 96:15 Georgia (2) 100:1,1 gesturing (1) 160:20 gist (1) 217:16 given (16) 25:22;26:1;27:5,13;28:17;33:1;69:12;70:20;88:13,19;100:7,23;102:24;161:21;220:7;236:16 gives (1) 50:7 giving (1) 49:13 glanced (2) 62:21;83:16 glasses (1) 49:13 God (2) 111:6,18 goes (5) 27:4;37:10,11;165:4;196:19 [REDACTED] (6) 30:12,16,19,20,24;31:7 Good (29) 4:3,9,11,13,15,17,21,24,25;8:13,14;9:21;16:13;28:6;41:25;67:12;84:17;124:1;130:9;163:15;192:21,22;205:1,8,14;206:1;212:8;213:19;240:22 Google (8) 13:24;41:24;71:23;77:6,14;78:6;85:20;106:11 Googled (11)¶

| 23:20,23,25;26:17;41:19;61:16;86:4;106:8;113:14;116:13,15 Gosnell (2) 5:14;6:6 government (82) 4:2;6:16;7:11,24,25;8:3;10:11,13,22;11:3,4,9;12:6;17:3,9,10,16;18:17;19:11,19,24;20:5,19,22;26:4,7,11,18;36:19;39:11;65:9,15,16,21,25;74:15;75:11,18,19,23;76:1,7,8,12,25;79:6;80:5;81:4,24;82:15;85:2;87:22;101:4;102:13;106:23;107:12;137:5;202:3,12,14,16,17,21,21,23;204:17,23;212:4,8,9;213:4;219:17;230:3;233:2,9;234:16;235:10,11,16,22,24;236:2 government’s (9) 7:4;15:4;17:18;20:1;65:23;75:25;76:14;96:9;219:16 grab (1) 39:23 [REDACTED] (1) 230:19 gradations (1) 16:16 grade (4) 16:9,11;27:5,25 grade-inflated (1) 16:23 grades (1) 16:20 grading (6) 15:22,25;16:1,6,7,23 graduate (1) 42:4 graduated (1) 12:10 graduation (1) 12:8 grant (1) 102:24 granted (2) 99:5;148:10 granting (1) 102:20 gray (1) 120:16 great (2) 30:6;132:14 greatly (1) 95:1 greeting (3) 182:1,4,5 grounds (2) 175:13;199:12¶

| group (2) 13:21;39:19 groups (1) 13:18 Guerin (5) 4:12,14;77:10;204:10;236:12 guess (13) 7:10;119:5;124:10;133:16;157:10;163:7;167:20;187:5;229:18;231:25;233:24;235:25;236:24 guided (2) 220:10;222:20 guilt (1) 213:7 guilty (9) 132:16;133:12;134:5;147:23;149:3;181:7;211:22;213:3,24 gun (1) 189:18 GX-14 (2) 82:8,9¶

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| hardcopies (1) 31:2 | highest (8) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;164:24; 167:12;168:4 | 22:226:5;229:19,21; 233:4;234:22;236:4,11, 15:237:11,15,17,19,21, 25;238:1,9,11;239:9,18; 240:3,10,17,19 | 28:18 idiot (2) 200:1;203:1 illness (1) 120:17 image (1) 205:12 immeasurable (1) 237:3 immediately (1) 51:1 immigration (5) 46:19;47:10,13,14; 148:16 immunity (14) 99:5;100:23;101:7; 102:16,20,20,25;107:13, 16;233:11,12,22,24; 234:2 immunize (1) 101:4 immunized (1) 108:7 impartial (4) 30:8;31:20;216:8; 228:22 impartiality (1) 216:17 impartially (2) 140:23;216:3 impeachment (1) 239:4 implying (1) 127:22 importance (1) 175:12 important (10) 10:8,9;127:18;172:10, 24;174:25;175:2,15; 176:20;240:12 importantly (1) 7:12 impression (7) 74:9;112:7;116:11; 128:17;162:1,3,4 impressionistic (1) 58:20 improper (4) 35:25;36:4;205:21,25 improperly (1) 15:4 inability (1) 126:18 inaccurate (2) 55:2;180:24 incident (5) 183:5;185:20;188:11, 14;189:19 inclined (1) 26:5 include (9) 9:14;62:12;73:17,25; 74:2,6,22;77:18;100:6 | included (6) 16:8;42:10;95:2; 124:8;166:20;188:22 includes (1) 45:21 including (3) 35:16;191:6;228:2 income (1) 152:7 inconsistent (1) 160:4 incorrect (9) 47:4,20;166:19; 205:17,23,24,24;206:2; 226:23 indeed (3) 89:16;208:6;209:24 indefinitely (1) 177:8 independent (1) 18:25 indicate (1) 26:12 indicated (1) 7:6 indicates (1) 6:23 indicative (1) 219:20 indicted (3) 181:7;189:15,22 indictment (1) 182:4 indirectly (1) 238:25 individual (5) 23:14;24:20;28:1; 34:3;69:17 individually (1) 172:6 infirmity (1) 175:14 influence (2) 183:1;215:7 influenced (1) 110:14 info (2) 26:25;47:19 inform (1) 104:4 information (99) 6:4;11:21,22;13:5,7,9, 12,13,22;14:20,22; 15:25;18:10;20:10; 21:12;23:8,21;28:17,18, 20,20;30:12;34:5;39:10; 40:23;42:14,20;43:1,10, 13;44:13,17,20,23; 45:18,21;46:1,13,23; 47:1,3,9;49:5,21;50:1,8; 51:1,53;18:54;10,19; 55:3,14,23,24,25;56:18; 57:3,6;58:24;62:12; | | ------------------------------- | 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| | heads (1) 234:18 | hillary (1) 77:2 himself (2) 32:24;94:18 HIPAA (2) 97:25;175:5 hire (3) 124:16;130:16;137:20 history (7) 62:25;86:2;89:14,15; 190:12;210:11;229:2 hits (2) 23:24,24 hold (1) 59:1 holding (1) 54:2 holdout (1) 200:8 hole (1) 60:17 Hollander (1) 40:1 holy (3) 50:5;91:17,19 home (3) 117:15;164:18;196:22 homeowners (1) 162:5 honeymoon (1) 89:18 Honor (143) 4:3,11,15,25;5:10;6:3, 14,16;7:9,16,18,19,20; 8:10;11:3,6,7;17:9,13, 14,15;19:9,13,18,21,22, 23:34;25:36;19,23;64:8; 65:18,19;77:22;81:11, 25;84:2,5,9,10,11,22; 85:5,6,12;89:25;95:19, 21;96:19,20,21,22,23; 97:7;98:25;99:10,11,12, 13;100:15,21;101:8,13; 102:12,15,16,17;106:19, 21;112:4;113:2;115:17; 119:13;122:10;125:4,7; 129:1;130:2,23;134:17; 136:15,17;141:5;145:1, 4;148:9;152:17;154:8; 156:20;159:8;162:7; 173:14,18;175:19,23; 176:1;179:15,20; 181:24;183:23;190:14; 192:19,22;194:4,7; 199:13;200:9;202:7; 203:15,22,24;204:4,9; 211:2,7,9,13;221:1,21, | hope (3) 149:1;198:6;240:8 hoping (2) 71:7;197:18 horse (1) 159:21 hospital (2) 5:25;6:8 hour (1) 135:18 hours (2) 61:23;237:3 house (6) 148:25;161:23;162:2, 5,8;170:10 household (4) 47:3,19;152:7;161:15 housekeeping (1) 211:2 hundred (1) 160:16 husband (35) 6:7;46:23;47:17; 89:15;139:5,9,22,24; 148:12,14,20,22,24; 156:17;161:15,18,20,23; 162:2,5,17;163:13,15; 185:23;188:23,24; 189:2;199:23;206:18, 24;210:12,20;229:8,9; 230:4 husband’s (1) 190:18 hyperlink (1) 82:17 hypothetical (1) 158:20¶

I | 28:18 idiot (2) 200:1;203:1 illness (1) 120:17 image (1) 205:12 immeasurable (1) 237:3 immediately (1) 51:1 immigration (5) 46:19;47:10,13,14; 148:16 immunity (14) 99:5;100:23;101:7; 102:16,20,20,25;107:13, 16;233:11,12,22,24; 234:2 immunize (1) 101:4 immunized (1) 108:7 impartial (4) 30:8;31:20;216:8; 228:22 impartiality (1) 216:17 impartially (2) 140:23;216:3 impeachment (1) 239:4 implying (1) 127:22 importance (1) 175:12 important (10) 10:8,9;127:18;172:10, 24;174:25;175:2,15; 176:20;240:12 importantly (1) 7:12 impression (7) 74:9;112:7;116:11; 128:17;162:1,3,4 impressionistic (1) 58:20 improper (4) 35:25;36:4;205:21,25 improperly (1) 15:4 inability (1) 126:18 inaccurate (2) 55:2;180:24 incident (5) 183:5;185:20;188:11, 14;189:19 inclined (1) 26:5 include (9) 9:14;62:12;73:17,25; 74:2,6,22;77:18;100:6 | included (6) 16:8;42:10;95:2; 124:8;166:20;188:22 includes (1) 45:21 including (3) 35:16;191:6;228:2 income (1) 152:7 inconsistent (1) 160:4 incorrect (9) 47:4,20;166:19; 205:17,23,24,24;206:2; 226:23 indeed (3) 89:16;208:6;209:24 indefinitely (1) 177:8 independent (1) 18:25 indicate (1) 26:12 indicated (1) 7:6 indicates (1) 6:23 indicative (1) 219:20 indicted (3) 181:7;189:15,22 indictment (1) 182:4 indirectly (1) 238:25 individual (5) 23:14;24:20;28:1; 34:3;69:17 individually (1) 172:6 infirmity (1) 175:14 influence (2) 183:1;215:7 influenced (1) 110:14 info (2) 26:25;47:19 inform (1) 104:4 information (99) 6:4;11:21,22;13:5,7,9, 12,13,22;14:20,22; 15:25;18:10;20:10; 21:12;23:8,21;28:17,18, 20,20;30:12;34:5;39:10; 40:23;42:14,20;43:1,10, 13;44:13,17,20,23; 45:18,21;46:1,13,23; 47:1,3,9;49:5,21;50:1,8; 51:1,53;18:54;10,19; 55:3,14,23,24,25;56:18; 57:3,6;58:24;62:12; |¶

| 63:23;66:3;67:16,24; 68:2,10,13;69:6,13; 70:25;71:17,22;73:18, 22;79:9,12;80:12,12,20, 25;81:6,20,21;83:15,20, 25;85:21;90:4,8;91:5,12, 14,17;93:7;94:7;95:16; 100:3;128:19;210:4 | 6:7;109:21;110:19,22; 113:9;118:22;119:17; 124:8;211:23;213:9; 216:14,19;217:23; 219:23;220:7,8,18; 221:24;222:4,20;223:3; 224:17,20,24;225:1,5,6, 13,17;226:22;227:6,10, 12,14,19,23;228:3,7,11, 13,18 | investigator (1) 60:2 invoke (1) 100:20 invoked (1) 233:25 involve (1) 39:1 involved (16) 12:19,21;15:24;27:13; 38:20;76:15,19,24; 87:23;88:9;94:1;183:12; 191:4;214:21;215:15; 220:16 involvement (3) 210:13;215:21;216:10 involving (1) 38:9 irrational (15) 105:25;107:5;110:17; 113:1,4;121:25;122:3, 18,20,25;123:1,8,128:4, 14;149:8 irrationally (1) 128:10 irrelevant (5) 122:23,25;128:18,22; 221:13 IRS (1) 214:19 Israel (1) 158:6 issue (16) 30:19;31:9;37:10; 53:13;61:6;70:2;74:6; 79:14;87:25;88:11,11; 105:10,20;136:23; 191:9;239:5 issued (7) 6:11;186:20,23;187:2, 22;188:1;237:23 issues (3) 88:12;95:4;140:22 item (1) 151:9 items (1) 181:16 iterative (1) 76:19 | Jersey (7) 94:18;162:18;163:13; 189:19;230:9,11,23 Jesus (7) 55:16;57:11;62:5; 90:23;91:8,9,19 jibe (1) 49:21 job (9) 137:20;158:22; 160:22;163:16;198:4; 202:3;208:8,10;225:3 job’s (2) 208:8,10 joined (1) 67:16 joint (1) 67:1 Judge (187) 7:21;19:14;33:5,8; 34:10,16;36:6,12;37:3, 17;43:6;46:19;47:10,14; 48:4;53:3;54:3,6;57:23; 72:6;73:5;74:17,21; 75:2;76:4;77:24;78:4; 82:5;89:23;90:10; 101:11;104:1,4;105:6, 12,19,22;106:15;107:13; 109:20;110:23,25;111:5, 14;112:8,22;113:7,21; 114:17,23;115:21;116:6, 15,19,20;117:6,10,23; 118:7,22;119:10;120:5, 10;121:10,12,21,23,24; 122:2,4,17;123:5,7,12, 12,25;124:2,11,14; 126:14,22;128:4,13,20; 130:4,15;131:1,5,25; 132:9,12,18;133:2; 135:9;138:23;139:3; 140:10,16;141:8;143:5; 144:4,7,8,11,14,19; 145:9;147:24,25; 148:16;151:6,15,23; 153:13;154:23;155:7; 157:22;158:8,14;160:4; 161:8,14;163:24; 164:24;165:7,9,24; 170:1;171:17;174:1,22; 175:6;177:20;183:15; 184:20;185:4;186:24; 187:1,7,8,10,11,24; 188:6,14,17;194:21; 196:25;197:25;199:12, 19;200:4,20;201:4; 204:12;209:5,10,19; 214:2,8;216:4,20; 217:23;219:23;220:7, 18;221:24;222:18,23; 223:5;224:18,20,23; 225:1,5;226:7;227:5,12; 228:2,7;233:24;238:17, 21;239:3,20;240:5,20 | judges (1) 208:6 judge’s (7) 36:1;76:4;90:8; 119:17;162:3;211:23; 213:9 judging (3) 176:21;192:15;216:3 judgment (7) 49:2;51:20,22,24; 52:7;53:9;115:3 judgments (1) 51:17 Judicial (6) 23:2;53:6;99:18; 108:12;173:11,23 July (10) 64:2,19;74:12;75:13; 76:3;77:24;78:4;85:1; 187:12,15 jumping (2) 32:18;229:7 juncture (1) 237:22 June (5) 67:4;80:1,1;88:6,18 Juror (162) 16:25;18:3,5;19:6; 20:2,8,16,18,18,21; 24:13,14,18;25:12;27:2; 28:4,7,9;30:2,11,13,18, 22,24;31:6,10,11,13,14, 14,15,16,24;32:9;33:6,9, 10;34:8,22;35:16,19; 36:4,9;38:16,20;39:7; 42:24;43:4,5,11;46:6,10; 47:7;49:2,11,22;50:10, 18,20;51:2,3,13;56:1; 57:9,12;58:25;59:4,15; 60:4;61:15,21,25;62:2; 63:3,11;69:9;70:10,19; 71:18,18,24,24,25; 72:19,24;75:9;79:15,21; 80:3;83:3,11;85:23; 86:1,9,16,22;87:5,18,24; 88:10,11,20,24;89:12; 90:15,20;91:1,21,24; 92:15,24;93:3,25;96:1,7, 9,10,12,16;97:2,3;103:8, 9,118:9;128:11;141:12; 145:9;153:17,20;154:2, 3,21;158:22;160:20; 161:2;162:11;164:5; 166:16;169:4;172:12, 25;176:21;191:14,14; 208:18,24;209:6,11; 212:25;218:10;221:5, 13;222:11;223:23; 224:7;225:21;226:8; 228:22;230:24;231:19; 236:22;237:10 jurors (54) 11:21;13:5,6,16,17; |¶

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| 14:23,24,25;15:3,5,16, 20,23,25;16:2,8,12,13, 14,14;17:8;19:7;20:9; 28:12,18,21,25;29:6,9, 11,14,19,25;30:4;34:11, 11,17,17,20;89:5; 137:10;141:4;142:21; 148:6;149:6;159:13; 165:12;168:25;192:15; 194:20;207:13;213:22; 220:9;234:17 | 179:9 kid’s (1) 35:7 (13) 11:18,25;14:13;18:8; 19:6;20:3,6;23:21; 27:19;40:25;41:16,22,25 kind (8) 60:6;67:5;88:14; 106:19;109:12;122:17, 18;136:14 kindly (1) 122:12 kneejerk (2) 128:1,2 knew (60) 16:8,24;17:2;18:7; 33:5;34:3,22;37:4,5; 38:1,15;46:22,25;47:9; 50:17;51:2;54:17,18; 74:18;77:24;86:5; 105:15,18,19;126:3; 127:18;141:2;153:21; 154:1,3;160:22;165:19, 22,24;166:4;168:6; 182:21;186:20;187:21, 25;207:1,2,3,6,8;209:5, 5,7,8,9,9,10,11,25,25; 210:11;229:8;231:19; 233:14;236:21 knowing (1) 127:12 knowingly (1) 214:3 knowledge (16) 53:17;75:3;79:7,14; 81:5;82:11;88:23; 112:15;122:1,1;169:3; 190:18;202:5;206:12; 214:12,16 known (2) 89:12;202:17 knows (1) 156:14 Kostelanetz (1) 77:8 Kramer (4) 77:16;78:3,10;79:1 kudos (1) 235:25 | 233:14,23 larger (1) 188:15 last (21) 9:4;34:25;58:15;77:4; 109:6,7,8,14,19;110:2; 121:7;135:6,23;136:2,8; 152:19;157:2,4;163:6; 170:24;172:9 lasts (1) 172:15 late (3) 70:14;80:1;194:3 later (11) 40:16;41:9;49:6;58:5; 83:15;101:3;118:14; 130:10;151:7,15;238:20 latter (1) 33:1 laughed (1) 206:19 Laurie (4) 8:25;71:10,12;86:6 law (28) 12:8;32:2,4;37:24; 42:4;54:18;55:9;72:16, 16;79:13;95:9;120:3; 135:7;150:18;154:1; 167:24,25;171:12; 175:13;176:22;177:1; 217:4,10,22;218:2,2,12; 239:22 lawful (1) 105:18 lawsuit (19) 55:17,17;56:2,17,18, 23;57:3;60:10;62:19; 66:9;71:4;82:24;83:3, 14;91:5;92:20;93:17; 94:23;95:5 lawyer (112) 9:25;10:2,19;22:19; 24:6,8,19;26:15;27:6,10; 28:8;33:9,11;34:6,7; 41:25;43:17,22;45:13; 50:4;52:17;55:5;56:9; 59:1,16;60:14,24;61:4,7, 9,15,19;63:3,11;67:18; 68:19;69:1,8;70:10,20; 71:3;72:3;75:9;79:12, 21;80:4;85:22;86:2,9,14, 18,23;87:4;89:3,13,16; 90:21;91:1,25;92:2,4,25; 93:4;94:15;105:9,19; 118:23;119:9,16,21,25; 122:16;123:11;124:3,5, 5,9,12,16;126:15; 130:16;132:15,20,23; 133:4,15;134:21,25; 135:4,6,11,12,14,15; 136:24;137:4,12;139:4, 4;144:1;153:18;166:5, 11,17;168:23;170:7,21, 233:14,23 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15;195:2,5,17,21, 25;196:6,14,17;197:1,8, 22;198:19,21;199:1,3,5; 200:22,22;201:7,7,8,11; 202:1;204:16;213:15, 22;214:1;218:15,22; 219:12;235:23 letterhead (4) 63:20;198:11,14,17 letters (1) 97:23 level (12) 34:4;43:20;44:3; 59:10;86:12;112:18; 164:24;167:12;168:4; 25;171:1,5,10;210:11 lawyers (25) 10:21,24;67:8;68:18; 73:13;88:16;165:21,25; 166:5,14;193:23; 195:12;204:7;206:19; 207:10,14,18;208:4; 209:4,9,25;210:15; 214:16;216:11;218:8 laying (1) 201:24 lead (1) 132:2 leading (1) 11:12 learn (2) 43:7;61:20 learned (8) 10:7;37:23;38:15; 62:22;63:23;90:4;94:24; 208:15 least (5) 46:17;98:4;113:6; 147:19;157:7 leave (4) 60:20;93:12;117:22, 23 leaving (1) 183:13 left (6) 58:7;67:11;107:25; 163:13;166:5;211:16 legal (12) 37:21;42:6;106:14; 112:15;120:2;165:19; 193:10;214:8;216:4,14, 19;231:7 legally (1) 217:12 lengthy (2) 18:18;224:7 less (2) 84:6;134:14 letter (55) 16:7,8,27;25;76:3,16, 22,25;77:13,18;78:4; 85:7,13,17;87:22;88:6,8, 9,89:1,95;2,97;5,18,20; 99:1,15; |¶

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