IN RE: JEFFREY EPSTEIN TAPED INTERVIEW OF ORIGINAL Sandy Notary Public, State of Florida Consor and Associates Phone - 561.682.0905 ft J. Consor & Associates Reporting & Transcription 561.682.0905 (Thereupon, the following interview was had:) BY MALE SPEAKER: Q Today's date is October 4th, 2005. This is ID number 7915 Detective (inaudible) of the Palm Beach Police Department. Present at 1301 (inaudible) Road is Detective Michael Dawson of the Palm Beach Police Department. And can you state your name for the record? A Q \_how do you spell your last name? A Q Okay. How old are you? A I'm 18. QEighteen. Okay. You're currently in college? A Yeah. QOkay. What college are you attending? A Valencia. QValencia. Okay. And your date of birth is? A Q Okay. Can you raise your right hand for me? Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God? A Yes. Q if you could tell me from the beginning how you met Jeffrey Epstein. Iknow you have some information and we are conducting an investigation. We were here last night, spoke with your mom and dad. If you can just start from the beginning as to how you met him. A Okay. Q And how it came about. A I met him through my friend Haley. Q Okay. How long ago was that? A It was probably about almost a year ago. Q Okay. Okay. A And he -- I went there once with her and she gave him a massage and then she asked me if I wanted to do it and I did it or whatever and then after that like he kind of scared me when I went there so Ijust decided not to go back. Q Okay. The first time you went with Haley did you go upstairs with him? A No, I stayed downstairs. Q Did Haley tell you that -- what was entailed as to what had to be done? A Well she said the first time you go it's just like a massage and she said well like well the more you go supposedly the more he like expects and likes flirting with girls and that's what kind of like scared me. Q Okay. I've interviewed other girls and they've told me pretty much the same thing about the massage but 1 2 3 4 5 there's more to that. More to the massage. Okay? That's why I didn't want mom to be in here. And you can talk to me about anything. Okay? Like I said, I've interviewed other people already who've told me what transpired in that room. Iknow it's going to be difficult for you but... 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17said that if like I wanted to come back and do more then he 18would like to pay me more and then I would have to talk to 19Haley and I could come back. AWell the first time I went there I did a massage and he was just asking me a lot of questions, he seemed really nice, and then he kept like staring at me and stuff. And then like I did a massage and he just kept looking at me and he was like II, you're being shy and I'm like yeah. And he's like do you feel uncomfortable and I was like yeah, a little bit. And he's like okay. And he's like well do you want to stop, and I was like no, it's okay. And he was like why are you like being shy and I was like II, I don't know and then he would like change the subject and he started talking about other things. And then when we were done he 20 21 QOkay. What kind of questions did he ask you as you were massaging him? 22 23 AHe was asking about -- it was a year ago. I don't remember everything but... 24 Q Right. 25 AHe was asking me if I had any friends that would like.to give a massage and I said I don't know. Then he asked me about what I wanted to do when I grew up and stuff like that and I asked him what he did and he said he was like ascientist basically. Q Okay. Did he ever ask you how old you were? A No. Q No. Did he know that you were 17? A No, I don't think so. Q Well it would have been 16 if it was a year ago, right? A Well it was almost a year ago. (Inaudible.) Q Okay. During the massage did you -- were you naked or A No. I had my clothes on. Q You had all your clothes on? A Uh-huh. Q Okay. Did he touch you in anyway? A He was like kind of like leaning towards it but I was like you could tell I was shy so I think that's why he didn't but I heard about other girls that he -- that he got flirtatious with them and he made them take off their clothes and stuff. Q Okay. What -- that was the first time you went, right? A Yeah. 1 Q Okay. 2 3 AWell, no, it was the second time I gave him a massage. The first time I went up with Haley. 4 Q You went upstairs with Haley? 5 ANo, I was in the kitchen. 6 7 QYou were in the kitchen. You only had two times that you went there? 8 A Yeah. 9 10 QThe first time you didn't do anything but just sit in the kitchen? 11 A Yeah. 12 QWho did you sit in the kitchen with? 13 14 AHe had a that was there and he had -- there was like two other girls that live with him. 15 16 QOkay. Did you massage his back? Was he naked when you were massaging him? 17 18 AWell, he had like atowel around his -- his upper was (inaudible) but he had like atowel around him. 19 Q Okay. Did he ever remove that towel? 20 A No. 21 22 QWhen you were massaging him he never removed the towel? 23 A No. 24 25 QOkay. Did you -- did he have you touch his private area? A No. No. I wouldn't do that. Q You wouldn't do that? Okay. Did he touch you in your private area? A No. No. Q No. A He kept like staring at me and like, I don't know, I just felt uncomfortable and I left. But I heard other stories that like -- Q Right. I'm concerned with you. I know about other stories and I've interviewed other people have told me different things. That's why I'm trying to find out what happened to you. Okay? You're the victim in this so that's why I'm trying to find out what happens to you. A Uh-huh. Q Okay? Who took you upstairs to the room? A This girl Sarah that lives with him. Q Okay. So Sarah took you up? A Yeah. Q Did she tell you anything? Did she say anything? A Huh-huh. There's a massage table and she just laid atowel down and she said that Jeffrey will be out for his massage. 0 Okay. Have you received any massage training? A No. Q No. I have to ask. Was Sarah one of the two girls that was in the kitchen with you? A Yeah. Q Okay. Did you ever go back to his house? A Well, I just went there twice. Q Right. A After that -- Q After that you've never come back? Never went back? How much did you receive for the massage? A Two hundred. Q You received 200. Okay. Did Haley explain to you what was going to be involved? A She said the first time you go there you pretty much just give a massage but the more you go there the more he expects so that's it. That scared me. Q That's what scared you? BY DETECTIVE DAWSON: Q Did she say (inaudible) or did she (inaudible) Say -- A Say didn't have to say it exactly but she implied like, you know, like taking your clothes off and stuff like that. 1 BY MALE SPEAKER: 2 Q Okay. So you didn't remove any of your clothing? 3 A No. 4 Q What were you wearing? Can you remember? 5 A I don't know. It was a long time ago. I don't 6 remember exactly. 7 Q Okay. 8 A I don't want to tell you wrong. 9 Q I know. And I know you already told your mom what 10 happened. And like I said, I know this is hard for you 11 but... 12 A I was just scared. I just didn't want my name to 13 like -- 14 Q Don't worry. You're not the only person I've 15 talked to. Okay? There's a lot of people that I've talked 16 to and I'm going to talk to. 17 How did you get to his house? 18 A With Haley. 19 Q Haley. Haley took you the first time and you sat 20 in the kitchen. 21 A Yeah. 22 Q What about the second time? 23 A The second time I drove and she came with me. 24 Because I didn't want to -- 25 Q You drove. What is it you drive? 1 A I used to have a Cavalier. 2 Q A Cavalier. What color? 3 A Red. 4 Q Okay. Can you describe to me what Mr. Epstein 5 looks like? Jeffrey looks like? 6 A He's tall and he has like greyish/black hair and 7 he usually wears like glasses and he has blue eyes. 8 Q Okay. When you messaged him, you messaged his 9 back area? 10 A Yes. And I did his feet too. 11 Q And his feet. Okay. Did you do his legs? 12 A Yeah, like his calves. 13 Q His calves. Thigh area? 14 A No. 15 Q His chest area? 16 A No. 17 Q No. Can you describe what his body looks like? 18 A He's not fat but he's not like thin. He's like 19 normal like average. 20 Q Average? Okay. Is he hairy? Is he not hairy? 21 A A little bit. 22 Q A little bit? A little bit he's got hair on his 23 back? 24 A Yeah. 25 Q Yeah? How about hair on his chest? A Um -- Q You don't remember? Okay. He did not touch you inappropriately? A No. Q No. Did he masturbate? A No. Q No. Do you know what masturbate means? A Yeah. Q Okay. Why don't you tell me what it means just so I know that you know. APlaying with yourself. Q Okay. Okay. I have to make sure you understand what it means. Okay? I know it's difficult. He didn't touch himself -- A No. 0 -- while you were massaging him? A No. Q No. Is there anything else you'd like to add? A No. I mean I heard of other stories that he did and I don't think it's very like appropriate like 0 Right. A -- the stories I heard. 0 Right. Well, alot of people that I've been talking to are about your age and a couple younger than you so that's the part that I have serious problems with. 1 A Yeah. 2 MALE SPEAKER: Do you have any questions? 3 BY DETECTIVE DAWSON: 4 Q Did you see any others -- when you were there you 5 said there were two girls in the kitchen. The second time 6 you went you went with Haley. Were there any other girls 7 there? 8 A Yeah, there were the same two girls that were 9 there. 10 Q Same two girls? Okay. 11 A I'm pretty sure they like live and travel with 12 him. 13 MALE SPEAKER: Okay. All right. Well at 14 this time I'm going to conclude this statement. 15 It's 11:45 a.m. 16 (Thereupon, the interview ended.) 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 1 C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 STATE OF FLORIDA )\ COUNTY OF PALM BEACH ) 4 5 I, Sandra [REDACTED], Court Reporter, State of\ Florida at Large, certify that I was authorized to\ 6 and did stenographically report the forgoing\ proceedings, and that the transcript is a true and\ 7 complete record of the tape as listened to by me. 8 9 Dated this 16th day of January, 2007. 10 11 Sandra [REDACTED] ----- Sandra [REDACTED], Court Reporter 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24