## EXHIBIT 4 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA JANE DOE NO. 2, Case No: 08-CV-80119 Plaintiff, Vs JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. JANE DOE NO. 3, Case NO: 08-CV-80232 Plaintiff, Vs JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. JANE DOE NO. 4, Case No: 08-CV-80380 Plaintiff, Vs. JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. JANE DOE NO. 5, Case No: 08-CV-80381 PlAinriff, Vs JEFFREY EPSTEIN, Defendant. > Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 305-866-7688 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141 |

1 JANE DOE NO. 6, Case No: 08-CV-80994

2 Plaintiff,

3 Vs

4 JEFFREY EPSTEIN,

5 Defendant.

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7 JANE DOE NO. 7, Case No. 08-CV-80993

8 Plaintiff,

9 Vs

10 JEFFREY EPSTEIN,

11 Defendant.

12 C.M.A., Case No: 08-CV-80811

13 Plaintiff,

14 Vs

15 JEFFREY EPSTEIN,

16 Defendant.

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18 JANE DOE, Case No: 08-CV-80993

19 Plaintiff,

20 Vs

21 JEFFREY EPSTEIN,

22 Defendant.

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24 \_\_\_\_\_

25 \_\_\_\_\_

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1 VIDEO TAPED

2 DEPOSITION

3 of

4 ALFREDO RODRIGUEZ

5 taken on behalf of the Plaintiffs pursuant

6 to a Re-Notice of Taking Deposition (Duces Tecum)

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8 APPEARANCES:

9 MERMELSTEIN & HOROWITZ, P.A.

10 BY: STUART MERMELSTEIN, ESQ.

11 18205 Biscayne Boulevard

12 Suite 2218

13 Miami, Florida 33160

14 Attorney for Jane Doe 2, 3, 4, 5,

15 6, and 7.

16 ROTHSTEIN ROSENFELDT ADLER

17 BY: BRAD [REDACTED], ESQ., and

18 CARA [REDACTED], ESQ.

19 Las Olas City Centre

20 Suite 1650

21 401 East Las Olas Boulevard

22 Fort Lauderdale, Florida 33301

23 Attorney for Jane Doe and E.W.

24 And L.M.

25 PODHURST ORSECK

26 BY: KATHERINE W. EZELL

27 25 West Flagler Street

28 Suite 800

29 Miami, Florida 33130

30 Attorney for Jane Doe 101 and 102.

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1 JANE DOE NO. 11, Case No: 08-CV-80469

2 Plaintiff,

3 Vs

4 JEFFREY EPSTEIN,

5 Defendant.

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7 JANE DOE NO. 101, Case No: 09-CV-80591

8 Plaintiff,

9 Vs

10 JEFFREY EPSTEIN,

11 Defendant.

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13 JANE DOE NO. 102, Case No: 09-CV-80656

14 Plaintiff,

15 Vs

16 JEFFREY EPSTEIN,

17 Defendant.

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1 APPEARANCES:

2 LEOPOLD-KUVIN

3 ADAM J. LANGINO, ESQ.

4 2925 PGA Boulevard

5 Suite 200

6 Palm Beach Gardens, Florida 33410

7 Attorney for B.B.

8 RICHARD WILLITS, ESQ.

9 2290 10th Avenue North

10 Suite 404

11 Lake Worth, Florida 33461

12 Attorney for C.M.A.

13 BURMAN, CRITTON, LUTTIER &

14 COLEMAN, LLP

15 BY: ROBERT CRITTON, ESQ.

16 515 North Flagler Drive

17 Suite 400

18 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401

19 Attorney for Jeffrey Epstein.

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20 ALSO PRESENT:

21 JOE LANGSAM, VIDEOGRAPHER

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| 2 (Pages 2 to 5) Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 305-866-7688\ 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141 Page 94 A. I don't remember, sir. Q. The next page is a message in the upper left dated January 13, 2005, from C.W. Correct? A. Yes. Q. That's the same C. that we've been talking about. Correct? A. Yes. Q. That was at 7:30 p.m. Correct? A. Yes. Q. And you don't recall what that particular call was about. Right? A. NO, sir. Q. The message dated January 20, 2005, from Maria. Do you see that on the bottom right? A. Yes. Q. Do you know who that is? A. I think I have a different page. Q. You're a little ahead of me. January 20, 2005. MR. CRITTON: I think that's page 31. THE WITNESS: I don't remember who she was, sir. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. You don't recall what that message was about? Page 95 I. A. No, sir. Q. What about the next page there is a message that Eva called? A. Yes. Q. Dated January 21, 2005? A. Yes. Q. Do you know who Eva is? A. Yes. Q. Who is Eva? A. The assistant comptroller from the New York office. Q. Do you remember her last name? A. Polish last name I guess. She was Russian. She is Russian actually. Q. Did you ever travel to any other residences that Mr. Epstein had? 1/ A. NO. Q. Are you aware he had a residence in the Virgin Islands? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: Yes. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. And would he sometimes travel to that residence from Palm Beach? A. Yes. Page 96 Q. Okay. Do you recall on any occasion whO would travel with him to the Virgin Islands? MR. CRITTON: Form. THE WITNESS: No, sir. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. I think we were talking about the money before, the household account, sometimes you gave gifts? A. Yes, I was told to buy some gifts. Q. For whom? A. For the guests. Q. Okay. And what kind of gifts? A. Shoes, sweaters, clothes. Q. So were you instructed to buy something in particular at a particular store? A. They would go to the store, if they like something I will go after and pay them and retrieve it. Q. Okay. So would this be a girl who was staying at the house? A. Yes. Q. Okay. This was one of the girls who travelled with Mr. Epstein to Palm Beach. Correct? A. Yes. Page 97 Q. And so Mr. Epstein would Instruct you to go shopping with this girl? A. Yes. Q. And instructed you to pay for whatever it S is she wanted to buy? A. Yes. Q. Was there a price limit or anything of that nature? A. No, sir. Q. So when the girl decided what she wanted you would -- A. I would write them a check. Q. In that instance you would pay by check? A. Yes. Q. Any other instances where you gave gifts to girls at the instruction of Mr. Epstein? told me I will buy the item. Q. I'm sorry? A. You know, when I was told to purchase this item for them, you know, I will do that, but not on any other occasions. Q. What do you mean not in any locations? A. Any other occasions. Q. Not any other occasions. Okay. Did you (Pages 94 to 97) |

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1 ever buy flowers for a girl?
2 A. Yes, sir.
3 Q. Tell me about that.
4 A. I was told to buy flowers and roses for a
5 girl performing in high school.
6 Q. Which girl was that?
7 A. I don't remember the name, sir.
8 Q. What was Mr. Epstein's relationship to
9 this girl?
10 MR. CRITTON: Form.
11 THE WITNESS: I think she was an
12 acquaintance, friend.
13 BY MR. MERMELSTEIN:
14 Q. She was a friend?
15 A. Yes, sir.
16 Q. Now, she was performing at the high
17 school in what capacity?
18 A. There was like a -- like a play in the
19 graduation for high school.
20 Q. A play for graduation?
21 A. Yes, in the high school theatre there was
22 some kind of performance.
23 Q. Was it like a theatre production?
24 A. Yeah, something like that. I didn't go
25 inside so I didn't know what was going on inside.

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1 Q. Now, you said you never went inside the
2 theatre?
3 A. No, sir.
4 Q. Okay. How did you get to the flower
5 store?
6 A. I called the girl to her cell and she
7 will come to the back door and I give her the
8 flowers.
9 Q. Was anyone else around at the time?
10 A. No, sir.
11 Q. And you mentioned this was a girl you had
12 seen before?
13 A. Yes.
14 Q. Was this girl who had come to give
15 massages to Mr. Epstein?
16 MR. CRITTON: Form.
17 THE WITNESS: I don't know if she was
18 doing massages but she was at the house.
19 BY MR. MERMELSTEIN:
20 Q. What would she have been there for?
21 A. To visit him.
22 Q. This was a high school girl who was
23 coming to visit Mr. Epstein at the house?
24 A. She came to the house, I open the door
25 and I left, you know.

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1 Q. Why do you say it was for graduation?
2 A. Because everybody was the graduation
3 outside, there were parents, there were a lot of
4 people at the school.
5 Q. Okay. A lot of high schools have theatre
6 production companies and they put on plays.
7 Correct?
8 MR. CRITTON: Form.
9 THE WITNESS: It was towards the end of
10 the year. Well, I think I overheard that
11 there was a graduation performance of some
12 kind.
13 BY MR. MERMELSTEIN:
14 Q. But you didn't go in so you don't know?
15 A. No, sir.
16 Q. But this was a high school student you
17 were bringing the flowers to. Is that correct?
18 A. Yes.
19 Q. Had you seen this girl before at the El
20 Brillo Way property?
21 A. Yes, sir.
22 Q. You had seen her a number of times?
23 A. Yes, sir.
24 Q. Do you recall her name?
25 A. I don't remember her name, sir.

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1 Q. Did you take her to the kitchen like you
2 did --
3 A. Yes.
4 Q. So you brought her to the kitchen just
5 like you did for the girls who gave him massages.
6 Correct?
7 A. Yes, sir.
8 Q. Did you ever pay her?
9 A. I don't remember, sir, but probably I
10 did.
11 MR. CRITTON: Form, move to strike,
12 speculation.
13 BY MR. MERMELSTEIN:
14 Q. Why do you say you probably did?
15 A. Because I was the only one paying --
16 well, not the only one but, you know, but chances
17 are I paid her but I don't remember that
18 particular instance that I gave her money.
19 Q. Is it fair to say th

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1 written down anywhere?

2 A. No.

3 Q. It's my understanding that C. and T.

4 either came to his house alone to visit with Mr.

5 Epstein or brought other girls in their age group

6 to Mr. Epstein.

7 Were you familiar with that type of

8 recruitment process of girls bringing other girls?

9 MR. CRITTON: Form.

10 THE WITNESS: Yes.

11 BY MR. [REDACTED]

12 Q. Can you tell me more about what you know

13 about girls bringing other girls that are

14 relatively the same age to come to Jeffrey

15 Epstein's house and to use your words, have a good

16 time?

17 MR. CRITTON: Form.

18 THE WITNESS: It's hard to know who they

19 knew. But I think that was -- they feel

20 better themselves when they're in a group

21 than going by themselves, but I don't know

22 somebody recruiting.

23 BY MR. [REDACTED]

24 Q. Okay. And you've talked about, at least

25 referred to yourself I believe to the police and

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1 for now we'll call it a massage -- as well as

2 anybody who brought that person over to the house,

3 they would both get paid cash. Are you familiar

4 with that?

5 MR. CRITTON: Form.

6 THE WITNESS: No.

7 BY MR. [REDACTED]

8 Q. If C. brought another girl over to the

9 house and C. stayed downstairs but this other girl

10 went upstairs with Mr. Epstein, which one would

11 you pay?

12 A. I don't know because I was told who to

13 pay.

14 Q. And [REDACTED] always told you?

15 A. Sarah told me pay so and so.

16 Q. So if we were going to ask anybody else

17 about the exact method in terms of who would get

18 paid and for what, who would the people be? I

19 mean, other than Mr. Epstein who else could we ask

20 these questions?

21 A. Sarah.

22 Q. [REDACTED]

23 A. Yes.

24 Q. She would know this?

25 A. Yes.

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1 as well today as a human ATM machine. Right?

2 MR. CRITTON: Form.

3 THE WITNESS: Something like that. I was

4 supposed to carry cash at all times.

5 BY MR. [REDACTED]

6 Q. One of the primary reasons why you

7 carried cash was to pay the girls in this age

8 group of C. and T. for whatever happened at the

9 house. Right?

10 MR. CRITTON: Form.

11 THE WITNESS: Yes.

12 BY MR. [REDACTED]

13 Q. That's a fair statement. Right?

14 MR. CRITTON: Form.

15 THE WITNESS: Yes.

16 BY MR. [REDACTED]

17 Q. Okay. And when C., let's use her for

18 example, would bring somebody else to the house,

19 did you pay C. as well as whomever she brought to

20 the house, pay them both?

21 A. No, I pay only one person.

22 Q. Okay. My understanding, and tell me if

23 this is wrong or you can corroborate this, is that

24 Mr. Epstein would pay the girl that was actually

25 performing whatever was happening in the room --

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1 Q. What about Ghislaine Maxwell?

2 MR. CRITTON: Form.

3 THE WITNESS: You're talking about the

4 boss. I don't know.

5 BY MR. [REDACTED]

6 Q. To your knowledge was Ghislaine Maxwell

7 aware of these girls that are in the age group of

8 C. and T. coming to Jeffrey Epstein's house to

9 have a good time?

10 MR. CRITTON: Form.

11 THE WITNESS: I have to say something.

12 Mrs. Maxwell called me and told me not to

13 ever discuss or contact her again in a

14 threaten way.

15 BY MR. [REDACTED]

16 Q. When was this?

17 A. Right after I left because I call one of

18 the friends for a job and she told me this, but,

19 you know, I feel intimidated and so I want to keep

20 her out.

21 Q. What exactly did she say? First of all,

22 was this a telephone call?

23 A. Yes, she was in New York.

24 Q. She called you on your cell phone?

25 A. Yes.

| 43 (Pages 166 to 169) Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 305-866-7688\ 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141 1 Q. Is this the cell phone that was issued to\ 2 you by Mr. Epstein?\ 3 A. No, it was my personal phone. I was\ 4 already --\ 5 Q. Gone?\ 6 A. Yeah, this is three, four months down the\ 7 road.\ 8 Q. So if you left in --\ 9 A. February, March -- it was May or June.\ 10 Q. Of 2005?\ 11 A. Yes.\ 12 Q. And you got a call from Ghislaine Maxwell\ 13 out of the blue?\ 14 A. Yes.\ 15 Q. And do you know what prompted that\ 16 telephone call?\ 17 A. Because I contact somebody in New York to\ 18 get a job.\ 19 Q. Who was that person?\ 20 A. I contact Jean-Luc and I contact Eva, the\ 21 Swedish girl, she used to be very good friends\ 22 with Mr. Epstein because she asked me she need\ 23 somebody in New York.\ 24 Q. What does Eva do?\ 25 A. Eva was a model many years ago and he 1 married -- Eva is the mother of the girl who was\ 2 on the wall.\ 3 Q. Who is on the wall of Mr. Epstein's\ 4 house?\ 5 A. Yeah.\ 6 Q. All right. There is a younger girl model\ 7 that's on the wall of Mr. Epstein's house and this\ 8 lady Eva is her mother?\ 9 A. Yes.\ 10 Q. And at some point in time you called her\ 11 in New York to get a job?\ 12 A. That's right.\ 13 Q. And you also called Jean-Luc Bernell?\ 14 That's his name. Right?\ 15 A. Jean-Luc, yeah, I don't remember his last\ 16 name.\ 17 Q. Does that sound familiar to you, Jean-Luc\ 18 Bernell?\ 19 A. Yeah.\ 20 Q. What did Eva and/or Jean-Luc say about\ 21 employing you?\ 22 A. No, they said they're going to find out\ 23 and obviously the first thing they did was talk to\ 24 Mrs. Maxwell.\ 25 Q. She made a telephone call to you and what 1 precisely did she say?\ 2 A. She said I forbid you that you're going\ 3 to be -- that I will be sorry if I contact any of\ 4 her friends again.\ 5 Q. Okay. Other than you will be sorry if\ 6 you contact any of my friends again did she say\ 7 anything else about what you know about Mr.\ 8 Epstein and/or what goes on at his house?\ 9 A. She said something like don't open your\ 10 mouth or something like that. But you have to\ 11 understand, I'm a civil humble, I came as an\ 12 immigrant to service people, and right now you\ 13 feel a little -- I'm 55 and I'm afraid. First of\ 14 all, I don't have a job, but I'm glad this is on\ 15 tape because I don't want nothing to happen to me.\ 16 This is the way they treat you, better do this and\ 17 you shut up and don't talk to nobody and --\ 18 Q. When you say this is the way they treat,\ 19 who specifically are you talking about when you\ 20 say the word they?\ 21 A. Maxwell.\ 22 Q. And usually when you say the word they,\ 23 you're not only talking about one person --\ 24 A. Wealthy people.\ 25 Q. Are you also putting Jeffrey Epstein in 1 that category?\ 2 MR. CRITTON: Form.\ 3 THE WITNESS: I didn't talk to him\ 4 directly most of the time.\ 5 BY MR. [REDACTED]\ 6 Q. What's the reason why if you were his\ 7 head of security that you wouldn't have more\ 8 direct contact with him? Why is that?\ 9 MR. CRITTON: Form.\ 10 THE WITNESS: He wanted that way, you\ 11 know, so, yeah, I have to talk to Sarah,\ 12 Sarah is not available talk to Lesley in New\ 13 York. He didn't want to be disturbed.\ 14 BY MR. [REDACTED]\ 15 Q. Even while you were in the same house\ 16 with him he still had other people you could talk\ 17 to directly but he was not one of them?\ 18 A. Yeah.\ 19 Q. When you were fired you were not fired\ 20 directly by him?\ 21 A. No.\ 22 Q. It was through somebody else?\ 23 A. Ms. Maxwell.\ 24 Q. Okay. But it was for upsetting him for\ 25 taking the wrong car? 44 (Pages 170 to 173) Kress Court Reporting, Inc. 305-866-7688\ 7115 Rue Notre Dame, Miami Beach, FL 33141 |

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1 A. Yes.

2 Q. Okay. Ever since this communication that

3 Ms. Maxwell made to you where she called you

4 sometime in May or June of 2005, and have you felt

5 threatened?

6 A. Yes.

7 MR. CRITTON: Form.

8 BY MR. [REDACTED]

9 Q. Have you felt reluctant to come forward

10 and give truthful, honest, and full disclosure of

11 all information that you know about this case?

12 MR. CRITTON: Form.

13 THE WITNESS: I said this off the record

14 but I will say it on the record, being in

15 the Epstein case for me resulted in two

16 years I have -- I won't bring the names but

17 I was in the third interview to get hired as

18 a household manager in Palm Beach and they

19 told me you are the Jeffrey Epstein guy.

20 Not in the sense I did something wrong

21 because of the scandal, so they shun the job

22 away from me. And so I was afraid that --

23 this is very powerful people and one phone

24 call and you finish, so I'm the little guy.

25 Even I'm wearing a tie I'm a -- I'm talking

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1 this. Because I went through -- the first

2 time I went to the deposition I was in Palm

3 Beach and I did my duty, I mean, I tell what

4 I know, but now I know there is more

5 digging, all I want is this to be to get on

6 with my normal life and stuff.

7 BY MR. [REDACTED]

8 Q. So when you come here today to testify,

9 your main objective is to get back to your normal

10 life and get out of the spotlight of this case.

11 Yes?

12 A. Yes.

13 Q. And in doing so have you held back some

14 of the details that you know about that happened

15 in this case to remove yourself from the

16 spotlight?

17 MR. CRITTON: Form.

18 THE WITNESS: No, sir.

19 BY MR. [REDACTED]

20 Q. Okay. Have you ever talked to Ghislaine

21 Maxwell after that telephone call where she called

22 you and you felt threatened?

23 A. No.

24 Q. Okay. So going back to where we started

25 here was, does Ghislaine Maxwell have knowledge of

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1 from my heart. This is the way it is.

2 BY MR. [REDACTED]

3 Q. I feel for you, I'm sorry that you have

4 to be in this position.

5 MR. CRITTON: Move to strike this.

6 BY MR. [REDACTED]

7 Q. Well, when you applied for these jobs and

8 they turned you down and gave you the reason that

9 you're the person involved in the Jeffrey Epstein

10 scandal, was it that they are associated or

11 friends with Jeffrey Epstein or is it that you

12 have information and you have this confidentiality

13 but you're revealing some certain information that

14 Mr. Epstein would not like?

15 MR. CRITTON: Form.

16 THE WITNESS: Both.

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1 the girls that would come over to Jeffrey

2 Epstein's house that are in roughly the same age

3 group as C. and T. and to have a good time as you

4 put it?

5 MR. CRITTON: Form.

6 THE WITNESS: Yes.

7 BY MR. [REDACTED]

8 Q. And what was her involvement and/or

9 knowledge about that?

10 MR. CRITTON: Form.

11 THE WITNESS: She knew what was going on.

12 BY MR. [REDACTED]

13 Q. You referred to her at one point in time

14 as Jeffrey Epstein's companion. But then later on

15 you said that if she flew she flew on a different

16 airplane and oftentimes or sometimes she slept in

17 a different bed from Mr. Epstein. Did that seem

18 unusual to you?

19 MR. CRITTON: Form.

20 THE WITNESS: It was odd but, I mean, and

21 again, everything is odd in Palm Beach.

22 BY MR. [REDACTED]

23 Q. Okay, I don't mean to laugh.

24 A. Mr. Epstein fly to Jet Aviation, she fly

25 to Galaxy Aviation, but they never flew the same

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1 BY MR. LANGINO:

2 Q. Are you currently in fear of Mr. Epstein?

3 A. Not at this particular moment but it's

4 something I have to be worry about, yes.

5 Q. Are you personally afraid of criminal

6 prosecution?

7 A. No.

8 Q. Do you believe that you did anything

9 illegal?

10 A. Illegal, no.

11 MR. LANGINO: I have no further

12 questions. Thank you.

13 MR. CRITTON: We're going to break in

14 about 15 minutes. Do you want to start and

15 go for 15 minutes or do you want to -- it's

16 up to you.

17 MS. EZELL: I'll start.

18 MR. WILLITS: When are we going to quit,

19 folks?

20 MR. CRITTON: In 15 minutes.

21 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Might as well change

22 tapes.

23 MR. [REDACTED] Bob has to get back so

24 we've agreed we're going to come back some

25 other time.

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1 THE STATE OF FLORIDA, )

2 COUNTY OF DADE. )

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5 I, the undersigned authority, certify

6 that ALFREDO RODRIGUEZ personally appeared before

7 me on the 29th day of July, 2009 and was duly

8 sworn.

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10 WITNESS my hand and official seal this

11 31st day of July, 2009.

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1 MR. WILLITS: Why don't we just stop now?

2 MS. EZELL: Okay.

3 MR. [REDACTED] Rather than you start.

4 MS. EZELL: Yeah, I won't get very far.

5 MR. [REDACTED] Sorry to do this with you,

6 we didn't finish.

7 MR. CRITTON: So we're stopped?

8 MR. [REDACTED] We're stopped.

9 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Off the record.

10 (Thereupon, the videotaped deposition was

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1 CERTIFICATE

2 The State Of Florida, )

3 County Of Dade. )

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5 1, [REDACTED] PAYNE, Court Reporter and

6 Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at

7 large, do hereby certify that I was authorized to

8 and did stenographically report the videotaped

9 deposition of ALFREDO RODRIGUEZ; that a review of

10 the transcript was requested; and that the

11 foregoing pages, numbered from 1 to 269,

12 inclusive, are a true and correct transcription of

13 my stenographic notes of said deposition.

14 I further certify that said videotaped

15 deposition was taken at the time and place

16 hereinabove set forth and that the taking of said

17 videotaped deposition was commenced and completed

18 as hereinabove set out.

19 I further certify that I am not an

20 attorney or counsel of any of the parties, nor am

21 I a relative or employee of any attorney or

22 counsel of party connected with the action, nor am

23 I financially interested in the action.

14 The foregoing certification of this

15 transcript does not apply to any reproduction of

16 the same by any means unless under the direct

17 control and/or direction of the certifying

18 reporter.

19 DATED this 31st day of July, 2009.

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