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A Yes, I am. Q The last time you were here we were discussing the evidence supporting various overt acts and charges related to Jane Does number 1 and 2? A Yes. Q Today we are going to start with Jane Doe number 3. Can you tell the Grand Jury who that is and summarize briefly your previous testimony about her. A Jane Doe number 3 is ^Iand she first started, we have first phone contact with starting in December of 2004, IIIIIII would have been 16 or 17 at that time, let me do the math real quick, she would have been 16 – sorry, I am sorry, she would have been at that time 17, let’s get it right, so she started phone contact, started calling her in September of 2004. From testimony we know that went there earlier, much earlier. I, which was Jane Doe number 4 you will hear about next, they were good friends and they both went in the spring of ’04, prior to 17th birthday, so did start giving mr. Epstein massages when she was 16, she performed ^a few massages for Mr. Epstein and then took kind of ^a little bit of a break. The sexual activity that occurred with

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1 Mr. Epstein when was under the age of 18 2 included 3 she was given gifts by Mr. Epstein, she was 5 given a , she was given Victoria Secret 6 underwear, she was also given a car that Mr. Epstein 7 rented for her for a number of months, she was paid $200 8 by Mr. Epstein and was the one that primarily 9 called to set up appointments and as you can see 10 that began in December of ’04. 11 was also one of Mr. Epstein’s 12 favorites, according to several of the other girls. 13 Q Just so the Grand Jury has an idea, how does 14 that translate into the number of phone calls between 15 and that you were able to calculate? 16 A called her, I guess calls between 17 the two of them ranged around 125 phone calls from 18 December 6th, 2004 until October, 2005. 19 Q And just briefly can you remind the Grand Jury 20 did ever tell Mr. Epstein her age? 21 A No, they did not ever discuss, she did not 22 tell him how old she was, but she did tell him where she 23 planned on going to school and that she was in 24 she stated that when it came to her age that 25 Mr. Epstein didn’t care. As I mentioned earlier,

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1 and IIIIIII were very good friends and IIIII would talk 2 about IIIIIII and Mr. Epstein would ask questions about 3 when IIIII was providing massages and as we will 4 talk about when we talk about Jane Doe number 4, which 5 is , she told Mr. Epstein that she was a junior in 6 high school and that and her were in the 7 and that they were 8 and told us that at one point IIIII had come to 9 her because she had slipped about prom and she was 10 worried because Epstein was supposed to think she was 18 11 and she had talked about the prom and said she 12 never heard anything else about it and they never 13 brought it up. 14 Q Because, according to , Mr. Epstein 15 didn’t care really how old the girls were? 16 A Exactly. 17 Q And she never mentioned he asked her for her 18 age or asked for any form of identification to show 19 whether she was or was not over 18? 20 A No. 21 Q Now, if you could turn to the proposed 22 indictment and if I could ask you to look at overt act 23 number 59. 24 A we had a little knock at the door Do you 25 want me to get it?

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1 Q Yes. 2 (Thereupon, there was a brief pause.) 3 A I will let you see a picture of Jane Doe 4 number 4, , who we were talking about earlier, and 5 this is . Is there anyplace you want to put it 6 right down here in front? 7 - Q And just so the record is clear, those are the 8 photographs that we showed to the Grand Jury last week? 9 A Yes, it is. 10 Q So if you could turn to overt act number 59 11 which appears on page 12, and if you could explain to 12 the Grand Jury the evidence we have related to that 13 phone call or phone calls on December 6th, 2004. 14 A On December 6th, 2004 a review of the phone 15 records indicate that there was telephonic phone contact 16 between the numbers belonging to and 17 , as well as we have evidence with 18 statements of the phone calls being made to 19 her by 20 Q And overt act number 60? 21 A A review of the phone records indicate 22 telephonic contact between the numbers belonging to 23 and on December 12, 2004. 24 Q And overt act number 64? 25 A A review of the phone records indicate OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE

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telephonic contact between numbers belonging to IIIII IIIIII and M= en December 14th, 2004. Q And just so that it is clear to the Grand Jury, when the overt acts says that defendant IIIIII made one or more telephone calls, that means that the call is originating from IIIII phone, is that correct? A Yes, it does. Q And if you could turn to overt act number 71. A On December 20th a review of the phone records indicate that there was telephonic contact between III’S and Q And overt act number 79? A On January 6th, 2005 a review of phone records indicate there was telephone contact between numbers belonging to and Q And number 83? A On January 14th, 2005 a review of the phone records indicate telephonic contact between numbers belonging to and Q And with respect to the other overt acts related to the phone calls which would be 94, 100, 102, 104, 112, 118, 125, 129 and 132 is the evidence the same? A Yes, on or about each of those dates a review OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE

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, victoria secret bra and panty sets and he also rented her a car for several months. Q And just so that it is clear, you mentioned he paid her on several occasions, he paid her every time she performed these lewd acts, correct? A ves, 8200. Q And is listed as a defendant with respect to Jane Doe number 3 as well, and can you explain to the Grand Jury a little bit more about who is and why she is charged in this count? A IIIIIII is one of Mr. Epstein’s personal assistants as well and she made appointments for him for these massages. we have contact between phone and phone, she contacted approximately 25 times. Q And that’s why she is also charged with someone who is either an aider or abetter or ^a coconspirator with respect to this? A ves. Q Okay. If I could direct your attention to count number 32 which appears on page 30, count number 32. A I got 32. Q what is the evidence related to? OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE

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1 A I am sorry, I didn’t hear you ask me the 2 question, I thought you said refer to it. 3 The evidence is we have flight records that 4 indicate on December 13th, 2004 Epstein traveled to Palm 5 Beach County on the Gulfstream, there was telephonic 6 contact between and the day 7 before or the day of travel, we also have the sexual 8 conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and as we 9 described earlier in Count 7. 10 Q And just to refresh the recollection of the 11 Grand Jury, the Gulfstream aircraft is the one owned by 12 Hyperion? 13 A Air, Inc. 14 Q And when you said that there was telephone 15 contact, you recall that in overt act number 60 that we 16 discussed phone calls on December 12th, correct? 17 A we did. 18 Q Okay. If I could direct you to count number 19 35 and if you could tell the Grand Jury about the 20 evidence according to that count. 21 A Again, we have flight records that indicate 22 that on January 6th, 2005 Epstein traveled to Palm Beach 23 County on the Gulfstream again, there was telephonic 24 contact between and the day before, 25 the day of that travel, we also talked about the sexual OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE

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conduct between Jeffrey and MEM, between Epstein and illillt Q And can you tell us again what aircraft they flew on on January 6th? A That was the Gulfstream which was owned by Hyperion Air, Inc. Q okay. If I could direct you to Count 36 and again if you could summarize that evidence. A we have flight records that indicate that on January 14th, 2005 Epstein, and traveled to Palm Beach county on the Boeing 727 that Mr. Epstein owns, there was telephonic contact between and the day before, the day of that travel, as well as we have the sexual conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and as we described earlier, and I will tell you that is – , Mr. Epstein’s personal assistant, and is we talked about just a few minutes ago, Mr. Epstein, another of Mr. Epstein’s personal assistants. Q And if I could direct your attention to Count 37 and ask you to summarize the evidence related to that count. A we have flight records that indicate that on February 3rd, 2005 Mr. Epstein and traveled OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE

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1 to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727, there was 2 telephonic contact between and 3 the day before or the day of travel and we have 4 the sexual conduct between Epstein and 5 Q And if I could direct your attention to Count 6 number 38. 7 ’A In count number 38 we have flight records that 8 indicate on February 10th, 2005 Mr. Epstein, 9 and traveled to 10 Palm Beach County on the Gulfstream, there was telephone 11 contact between and the day 12 before or the day of travel, we also have the sexual 13 conduct between Mr. Epstein and 14 Q Now, I am sorry, on count number 38, which 15 airline were they on? 16 A They were on the Gulfstream. 17 Q Can I ask you to double-check that? There is 18 an inconsistency between the chart and the indictment or 19 we can save that for a later date. 20 A It is right here. 21 Q I will mark that we need to check on Count 22 number 38. 23 A I have the flight manifest with me if you want 24 me to check, I don’t know if you want me to do that now. 25 Q Yes, if you don’t mind.

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1 there was sexual conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and 2 as we described earlier in Count 7. 3 Q And if you could do Count 42. 4 A We have evidence that shows flight records, 5 that flight records indicate that on March 18th, 2005 6 Epstein traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727, 7 there was telephonic contact between and 8 the day of or the day before travel, we 9 have the sexual conduct between Mr. Epstein and 10 Q And just referring to that count, 11 is named, although she was not on the flight that day, 12 is that correct? 13 A Yes. 14 Q And you said that she made the telephone calls 15 with , correct? 16 A Yes, and we also do have – we have 17 interviewed Mr. Epstein’s pilots and one of the pilots 18 indicated that was the one that arranged all of 19 Mr. Epstein’s travel arrangements and so she is 20 responsible for making his arrangements to travel to 21 Palm Beach as well as call the girls for the 22 appointments. 23 Q If I could take you to Count number 43, 24 please. 25 A Flight records indicate that on March 31st, OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE

2005 mr. Epstein traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727, there was telephonic contact between IIIII IIIIII and SIM the day before or the day of travel, we also have the sexual conduct between Epstein as IIIIIII described earlier in Count 7. Q Again, in Count 44, what is the evidence related to that? A Flight records indicate that on April 8th, 2005 Epstein and traveled to Palm Beach county on the Gulfstream and there was telephonic contact between IIIII and on the day before or the day of travel, we also have the sexual conduct between Mr. Epstein and Q And if you could go through 45, 46 and 47. A Count 45 we have flight records that indicate on April 27th, 2005 Epstein and traveled to Palm Beach County on the Gulfstream, there is telephone contact between and the day before or the day of travel and we have the sexual conduct between Jeffrey and In Count 46 we have flight records that indicate that on May 6th, 2005 Epstein, and traveled to Palm Beach County on the Gulfstream. we have also telephonic contact between OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE

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1 and either the day before or the 2 day of travel and we have the sexual conduct between 3 Epstein and , and in Count 47 on May 19th, 2005 4 we have flight records that indicate Epstein, 5 and traveled to Palm Beach County on 6 the Gulfstream and we have telephone contact between 7 and the day before or the day 8 of travel. 9 we also have the sexual conduct between 10 Epstein and as described in the earlier 11 count, Count 7. 12 Q Now, if I could direct your attention to Count 13 number 51 which appears on page 33, that is the sex 14 trafficking of a minor involving Jane Doe number 3, and 15 could you briefly summarize that, the evidence related 16 to that. 17 A As we discussed earlier in count 7, I told you 18 guys about the sexual conduct between Epstein and 19 , the monies that were paid to by 20 Mr. Epstein, the phone activity we discussed between 21 and , it began in December, 22 and we also have phone calls beginning in January from 23 to , at that time was 17 24 years of age, and we also have statements from 25 and regarding Mr. Epstein’s knowledge of their

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Q And with respect to the affect on interstate commerce related to that count we have both the

telephone calls, correct?

S A Yes.

Q As well as Mr. Epstein actually traveling in interstate commerce to engage in this activity, correct? A Yes, we do.

Q Is there anything else that you would like to mention about Jane Doe number 3?

A Not at this time, no.

Q If I could direct you to Jane Doe number 4 and if you could summarize for the Grand Jury the

information related to Jane Doe number 4’s activities.

A Jane Doe number 4 is IIIII I, I think you

wanted their birth dates, her birth date is

, she was 16 years old and attended

we first have contact through phone calls from to on April 25th, 2004 which indicates and shows that was clearly 16 years of age when she started going to Mr. Epstein’s and performing massages for Mr. Epstein. I, our Jane Doe number 1, was the one who recruited , she basically told that she

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1 could make $200, she needed to dress cute, he might try 2 to touch you, but if you feel uncomfortable just let him 3 know and he will stop, and the first massage that 4 did he repeatedly told , and I mentioned this to 5 you in the last Grand Jury session, she was very shy and 6 he would repeatedly tell her not to be so shy, that she 7 didn’t have to be so shy.

8 Epstein asked her to remove her clothing and 9 she told him no, and throughout the massage he would 10 repeatedly grab at her, he did 11 through this first massage and pulled her 12 clothes, she would pull away and she was paid $200 for 13 that.

14 Upon leaving the first massage Mr. Epstein 15 told that if was willing to do more she 16 would get paid more. He also informed that if she 17 would bring her pretty friends he would also pay her for 18 bringing her pretty friends. He told that 19 would get her phone number.

20 says that she performed three to four 21 massages for Mr. Epstein. we have with 22 approximately a hundred phone calls between 23 and 24 when I interviewed she became very upset 25 when we got to the sexual massages that she did for

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1 Mr. Epstein. At this point, this is as much as we know 2 at this point of what occurred with Mr. Epstein and 3 4 she did three to four massages and those last 5 massages they became more sexual in nature, he asked her 6 again to remove her clothing, this time she took her 7 shirt off, he asked her to take her bra off, she said 8 no. 9 He again would , he did continue this time 11 she He continued to compliment 12 her, tell her she had a nice body and that she was 13 pretty. 14 says that he was very nice and engaged 15 her in conversation, asked her, you know, if she had a 16 boyfriend. In the last massage she discusses with me, 17 and this massage Mr. Epstein told her to stop being shy 18 and asked her to take her clothes off and said 19 that she had a boyfriend and she didn’t feel comfortable 20 taking her clothes off and he told her you should know 21 what to expect by now when you come here, and he jerked 22 on her pants as to like jerk them down, so she did on 23 this last massage get down to her bra and underwear. 24 She describes his tone at this time being 25 frustrated and irritated, she stayed in her bra and

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1 underwear, but during the massage he grabbed her bra and 2 pulled it down and , he had 3 instructed her to while she 4 was massaging his chest, he tried to grab her all over, 5 he knew that she was upset with this massage. 6 At one point Mr. Epstein asked her if she had 7 sex with her boyfriend, informs him that she is 8 still a virgin and he responds what, you don’t like sex? 9 And that’s pretty much the way that last massage went. 10 Q Now, Special Agent , just to 11 interrupt you, you mentioned that lane Doe number 4 12 became very upset as you were asking her about the 13 massages, correct? 14 A Yes. 15 Q And when she was describing this incident with 16 him grabbing at her breast and trying to pull her pants 17 down and instructing her to remove her pants, correct? 18 A Yes. 19 Q You had talked last week about the expert that 20 you had spoken with about interviewing victims of these 21 types of offenses? 22 A Right. 23 Q And you had told us about how a victim may be 24 reticent at first to tell the entire story until a 25 rapport is built?

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A Right.

Q Can you tell the Grand Jury your impressions of your interview with

A She became so visibly upset, and a lot of the girls are embarrassed of what took place, but when she talked about the last massage and him grabbing her breasts and fondling her breasts she was in tears and we stopped the massage and we calmed her down, trying to go back there was just too difficult, I could not get her back to discussing anything further that had taken place.

I have since then – I have since talked to again and I feel there is more there, but I just don’t think she is ready to disclose what took place. Q So based upon the more than 60 telephone calls as well as –

A Approximately a hundred.

Q – 100 telephone calls and your conversations with you think there is probably more than four massages that happened?

A Yes, I do.

Q was there anything else that you wanted to discuss with the Grand Jury?

A Just, as I stated in the beginning of those massages, they engaged in conversation and throughout

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1 that conversation, you know, she did inform mr. Epstein 2 that she was a junior in high school and again she is 3 one of the girls that talks about being Mr. 4 Epstein’s favorite, so because Mr. Epstein knew they 5 were friends they would engage in conversation about 6 , and would mention they were in the 7 and they would discuss the friendship 8 they had between the two girls with Mr. Epstein and 9 think that’s it. 10 Q All right. If we could turn to the 11 post-indictment to overt act number 4 which appears on 12 page number 5. 13 Did you obtain telephone records for Jane Doe 14 number 4? 15 A Yes. 16 Q And did you compare those with the phone 17 records of and others? 18 A Yes, I did. 19 Q And can you tell us with respect to overt act 20 number 4 what evidence you have related to that? 21 A A review of the phone records indicate that 22 there was telephonic contact between the numbers 23 belonging to and as well as 24 statements that would call her to make 25 appointments.

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Q And if we could go through overt acts 6, 8, ⁹ and 11, all of which appear on page 6. A A review of the phone records on may 3rd, 2004, may 14th, 2004, May 20th, 2004 and June 3rd, 2004, a review of those phone records indicate that there was telephonic contact between numbers belonging to IIIII IIIIII and IIIII as well as IIIIIII statements. Q If I could take you to overt acts 14, 15 and 19 which appear on page 7. A A review of the phone records on June 11th, 2004, June 20th, 2004 and July 10th, 2004, they indicate that there is telephonic contact between the numbers belonging to and Q And if I could ask you to turn to page 8 and if you could address overt acts 24 and 25. A A review of the phone records on July 18th, 2004 and July 22nd, 2004, a review of and phone records indicate there is telephonic contact belonging to both of them as well as statements that would arrange appointments with her. Q If I could take you to page 9 of the draft proposed indictment and ask about overt acts 29 and 30. A A review of the phone records indicate there is telephonic contact on July 22nd, 2004 and August 4th, OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE

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1 2004 between numbers belonging to and 2 as well as statements. 3 Q If I could take you to page 10 of the draft 4 proposed indictment and ask you about overt acts 37 and 5 43. 6 A A review of phone records indicate telephonic 7 contact on August 25th, 2004 and October 3rd, 2004 8 between numbers belonging to and 9 10 Q And if you could turn to page 11 of the draft 11 proposed indictment and if you would address overt acts 12 47 and 48. 13 A A review of the phone records indicate 14 telephonic contact on October 30th, 2004 and November 15 4th, 2004 between numbers belonging to and 16 I, as well statements. 17 Q Okay. And if you could go to page 14 of the 18 draft proposed indictment and address overt act number 19 77. 20 A A review of phone records indicate that on 21 January 4th, 2005 there was telephonic contact between 22 and as well as 23 statements. 24 Q I’m sorry. If you could turn to page 16 of 25 the draft proposed indictment and address overt act OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE

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A A review of the phone records indicate that on January 22, 2005 there is telephonic phone contact between numbers belonging to IIIII IIIIII and ‘III’ and ^SI believe I said on January 22nd, 2005. Q Okay. And if you could go to page 17 and address overt act number 101. A on February 14th, 2005 a review of the phone records indicate that there was telephonic contact on that day between numbers belonging to SIIIIII and I, as well as statements. Q If you could turn to pages 18 and 19 and if you would address overt acts 106, 114 and 116. A A review of the phone records indicate that there is telephonic contact between and on February 24th, 2005 as well as statements. Q Overt act number 114 says on March 18th, ²⁰⁰⁵ defendant prepared a written message to defendant Epstein regarding Jane Doe number 4, could you tell the Grand Jury what the evidence is related to that? A we have a review of the message pads that were recovered during the search warrant that the state served that showed that wrote a message to Epstein regarding and that was done on march 18th,

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1 2005. 2 Q Do you happen to remember what the message 3 said? 4 A I have those with me. S Q would you mind getting them out? 6 A Do you want to mark it? 7 Q If you could just read it to the Grand Jury. 8 A It is a message written by for Jeffrey 9 on 3/18/2005, it looks like 4:21 p.m., and the message 10 reads is it okay if will come at 5:00 and there is 11 a question mark. 12 Q And if I could direct you to overt act number 13 116, what the evidence is related to that. 14 A A review of the phone records on march 29th, 15 2005 indicate that there is telephonic contact between 16 and as well as her – 17 statements. 18 Q And if I could take you to overt act number 19 127 which is on page 20. 20 A A review of phone records on April 11th, 2005 21 indicate that there is telephonic phone contact between 22 the numbers belonging to and as well 23 as statements. 24 Q Now, if you could go to Count number 8, which 25 alleges that between April 25th, 2004 and June 29th, OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE

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1 A Yes.

2 Q If I could direct you to count number 17, 3 which appears on page 28, and tell us about the evidence 4 related to that.

5 A we have evidence through flight records that 6 indicate on May 21st, 2004 that Epstein and 7 traveled to Palm Beach County on the 8 Gulfstream, we have telephonic contact between and 9 the day before or the day of travel and we 10 have the sexual conduct between Epstein and as we 11 described earlier in Count 8.

12 Q And if you could go through Counts 18 and 19. 13 A we have flight records that indicate on June 14 4th, 2004 Epstein and traveled to Palm 15 Beach County on the Gulfstream, we have telephone 16 contact between and the day before, 17 the day of travel, we have sexual conduct between 18 Mr. Epstein and as discussed earlier. 19 we have also Count 19 on June 20th, 2004 we 20 have flight records that indicate that Epstein and 21 traveled to Palm Beach county on the Boeing 22 727. 23 we have the telephone contacts between 24 and the day before, the day of travel, we

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as we described earlier in Count 8.

Q Could you do the same for counts 22 and 23, please.

A Count 22 we have flight records that indicate on July 22nd, 2004 Epstein,

traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727, we have the telephonic phone contact between and the day before or the day of travel, we also have the sexual conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and as we described earlier, and Count 23 we have flight records that indicate on August 6th, 2004 Epstein and traveled to Palm Beach County on the Boeing 727, we have telephonic contact between and two days prior to Epstein and traveling to Palm Beach County, we have sexual conduct between Jeffrey Epstein and as we

described earlier.

Q And if you could do the same for Count number 28, please.

A Count number 28 we have flight records that indicate on November 5th, 2004 Epstein, traveled to Palm Beach County on the Gulfstream, we have telephonic contact between and I the day before or the day of travel, we have the sexual conduct between Epstein and

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Q And if I could direct you to Count number 35, you testified previously about the people who were aboard the plane. was there also telephone contact on January 6th – excuse me, shortly before the flight on January 6th, 2005 between and this Jane Doe? A Yes, two days before. Q And if you look at Count number 40, again, you had previously told us about who was on board the plane. Can you tell us whether there was also telephone contact shortly before that? A There was telephone contact the day of or the day before. Q All right. Between who and who? A Between and Q okay. And if you could look at Count 43, you also had testified previously about who was aboard the plane on that day. was there also telephone contact between Jane Doe number 4 – excuse me, Jane Doe number 4 and A Yes, two days before. Q And if I could direct you to Count number 52, which is the sex trafficking offense, and if you could summarize again for the Grand Jury the evidence related

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2 3 4 A we discussed in Count 8 the sexual conduct that occurred between and Epstein during the massages that took place, we talked about the money that 5 was paid to her by Mr. Epstein and the offer of more 6 money if she would do more as well as if she would bring 7 her friends.

8 Through statements we have also that 9 has paid her in the past for bringing a 10 friend, we have the phone activity between 11 and which started in April, 2004, we know 12 was 16 at the time, we also have phone activity between 13 and beginning in the spring of 2005 14 when would be 17, with the statements of and 15 the knowledge that Mr. Epstein knew their age, 16 and we have gone through that regarding informing 17 Mr. Epstein that she was a junior in high school, that 18 she was , and then 19 statements that was concerned because she was 20 discussing prom with Mr. Epstein, and both girls at that 21 time of the phone calls were under the age of 18. 22 Q Just again so it is clear for the Grand Jury, 23 neither nor ever specifically said hey, 24 Jeffrey, I am 17, but they provided information that 25 should have caused him to try to figure out whether in

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2 A Yes. 3 Q Any questions about Jane Doe number 4 before 4 we turn to Jane Doe number 5? Yes, A GRAND JUROR: I have to say something here, 6 if it is a stupid question forgive me if it is, 7 from what I heard, maybe I heard wrong, there were 8 three to four massages that Jane Doe, or 9 I said that she had and you enumerated quite 10 a few sexual contact. 11 How do you know about this, do you have 12 records, how do you know they were sexual contact? 13 THE WITNESS: Through interviewing 14 A GRAND JUROR: She said she only had three to 15 four massages. 16 A GRAND JUROR: Her question is more like 17 there is 20 phone calls. 18 A GRAND JUROR: There is tons of them. 19 THE WITNESS: Exactly, that is what we were 20 discussing earlier when we discussed that there is 21 more than what is willing to admit at this 22 time. 23 A GRAND JUROR: I got Tt. So she said she 24 only had three to four. 25 A GRAND JUROR: There is a hundred phone OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE

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was made was ^atrip over to Mr. Epstein’s house to perform a massage. : Yes, ma’am. A GRAND JUROR: Couldn’t they put anything in this indictment about stalking her, are there any rules against stalking children? : I will address – that is ^a legal question that I will address when the special Agent is outside of the Grand Jury. Any other factual questions related? A GRAND JUROR: I don’t have a question relating to Jane Doe number 4, it was ^aquestion asked last week, what does Mr. Epstein do for work, how does he make his money? I asked that late, late in the game last week. : okay, I guess we can just address that now. BY III Q what is Mr. Epstein’s state of profession? A He is an investor. Q And he manages portfolios valued at about ^a billion or more? A Yes. Q who is his best known client? A The owner of the Limited and victoria Secret. OFFICIAL REPORTING SERVICE

Q And you mentioned that as gifts Mr. Epstein tended to give victoria Secrets panties and bra sets? A Yes. Q Does that answer the question? A GRAND JUROR: Yes. Yes, ma’am. A GRAND JUROR: Count 28 I thought I heard that – I thought I heard the detective say that it was the Gulfstream rather than the Boeing 727 on flight records, just for your info. : Count number 28, let’s go back there. BY Q Could you restate for the Grand Jury which company owns the Gulfstream? A The Gulfstream is owned by Hyperion Air, Inc. Q And the Boeing is owned by whom? A JEGE, Inc. Q Any other questions before we go on to Jane Doe number 5? we have four minutes. Special Agent , why don’t I ask you to step outside so I can answer that question for the Grand Jury and address some issues. (The witness was excused from the Grand Jury room.)

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