0001 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF FLORIDA Case No. 08-CV-80893-CIV-MARRA/JOHNSON | | | | :--- | :--- | | JANE DOE, | Plaintiff, | | vs. | | | JEFFREY EPSTEIN, et al., | Defendants. | ON BEHALF OF THE DEFENDANT JEFFREY EPSTEIN: BURMAN, CRITTON, LUTTIER & COLEMAN, LLP 303 Banyan Boulevard Suite 400 West Palm Beach, Florida 33401 3524-006 Page 1 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009248 EFTA00159250 BY: MICHAEL J. PIKE, ESQ. ON BEHALF OF OTHER PLAINTIFFS IN RELATED CASES: MERMELSTEIN & HOROWITZ, P.A. 18205 Biscayne Boulevard Suite 2218 Miami, Florida 33160 BY: STUART S. MERMELSTEIN, ESQ. ON BEHALF OF THE WITNESS: ROBBINS, TUNKEY, ROSS, AMSEL, RABEN & WAXMAN, P.A. 2250 Southwest Third Avenue 4th Floor Miami, Florida 33129 BY: ALAN S. ROSS, ESQ. Also Present: Sean McGuire, Videographer U.S. Legal Support I N D E X Page Direct Examination By Mr. Edwards 7 Cross-Examination By Mr. Mermelstein 111 Redirect Examination By Mr. Edwards 127 Recross-Examination By Mr. Mermelstein 133 Certificate of Oath 137 Certificate of Reporter 138 E X H I B I T S PLF'S No. Description Page 1 Jane Doe 102 v. Jeffrey Epstein 33 complaint 2A-2G Telephone messages 62 3 Handwritten notes 72 2H Telephone message 87 4 Gawker.com photo with story 127 WITNESS'S No. Description Page 1 Target letter 4 Videotaped deposition taken before JANET L. 3524-006 Page 2 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009249 EFTA00159251 McKINNEY, Registered Professional Reporter, Florida Professional Reporter, Certified LiveNote Reporter and Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at Large in the above cause. (Whereupon, Witness's Exhibit 1 was marked for identification.) VIDEOGRAPHER: We are now on the video record. Today is Monday, the 15th day of March, 2010. The time is 9:13 a.m. (sic). We are here at 515 East Las Olas Boulevard, 3rd Floor, Fort Lauderdale, Florida, for the purpose of taking the videotape deposition of taken in Case Number 08-CIV-80893, Jane Doe v. Jeffrey Epstein, et al The court reporter is Janet McKinney; the videographer is Sean McGuire, both of U.S. Legal Support. Will counsel and all present please introduce yourself and the court reporter will swear the witness. MR. EDWARDS: Brad Edwards. I represent the plaintiff, Jane Doe also "Jane Doe"; EW, "EW"; LM, "LM". MR. MERMELSTEIN: Stuart Mermelstein. I represent Jane Doe Numbers 2 through 8. MR. PIKE: Michael Pike on behalf of Jeffrey Epstein. MR. ROSS: And good morning, my name is Alan Ross. I represent the witness, THE REPORTER: Would you raise your right hand, please. Do you solemnly swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? THE WITNESS: I do. MR. ROSS: Before the deposition begins and in an effort to streamline the process of getting through this deposition on behalf of the witness we have had marked as Witness Exhibit Number 1 an August 31, 2007 letter from the United States Attorney's Office addressed to her then counsel, which is called a target letter identifying her as a target of a federal Grand Jury investigation in the Southern District of Florida and outlining a number of offenses that were the subject matter of investigation. As a result of that, it is anticipated that some of the questions that may be asked during the course of this deposition she may invoke her Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. And in order to streamline this we've agreed prior to beginning this that she will simply answer "I 3524-006 Page 3 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009250 EFTA00159252 refuse to answer." The parties will understand and the record will reflect that she is invoking her Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination. If there is some other privilege, If there is some other privilege, attorney-client privilege or some other objection that I may have to a question, I'll specifically state it. But her answer "I refuse to answer" will be on Fifth Amendment grounds if that's acceptable to everyone. MR. EDWARDS: It's acceptable. MR. MERMELSTEIN: It's acceptable. MR. PIKE: Acceptable. MR. ROSS: Okay. Madam court reporter has already marked the exhibit, and I'll leave that with her. MR. EDWARDS: Okay. THEREUPON: having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was examined and testified as follows: Q. When were you married? Q. Okay. What's your date of birth? Q. And who are you married to? 3524-006 Page 4 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 | EFTA_00009251 | | :--- | :--- | This is a simple Markdown document with no headings, paragraphs, or tables. It contains just one line of text. EFTA00159253 Q. So in order to come to the United States you needed to get a work visa? A. I was invited actually just to kind of get a feeling if I will be suitable. So I came on a business tourist visa which is, I believe, B1/B2. 3524-006 Page 5 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009252 EFTA00159254 A. Florida. Q. Okay. And where did you first go when you came to the United States, what state? Q. And what city in Florida? A. Miami. Q. And what did you do for your two weeks when you first arrived in Miami, Florida? A. I do not recall. Q. Okay. But did you do any modeling? A. Well, like I would see some photographers, the agency would send me like on all calls to see photographers to kind of introduce me as a model. And why did you make the decision to go with in the United States when you already were modeling in -- A. Um-hum. Q. -- Europe? something that I did. And I decided to take a year off after I graduated from high school and -- you know, just to expand the modeling -- the modeling possibilities, opportunities. A. Well, you know, just to expand it was Q. Where did you graduate from high school? Q. What year? Q. And do you have any college? Have you gone to college after that? Q. And you're pursuing a bachelor's degree right now? A. Yes. A. Since fall Q. And when do you expect to graduate? A. Fall Q. Are you a full-time student or part-time? A. I'm a full-time student at this time. Q. When you first arrived in Miami, Florida in did you decide during that two weeks that you were going to stay permanently? A. No. 3524-006 Page 6 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009253 EFTA00159255 Q. Okay. Did you go back to A. Yes, I have. I have -- I went back for Christmas. Q. Okay. Poor question. Going back to trying to just understand how it was that -- you came over here on a two-week business visa, but eventually you ended up staying for a longer period of time, correct? A. Right. Q. Okay. And how did that come about, just tell me? A. Well, I got romantically involved with my current husband and so when -- you know, we just started dating, we got engaged, and that's how, you know, our relation evolved -- evolved, and eventually, you know, I got married and -- and stayed. Q. Okay. And since coming to the United States have you always lived in Miami, Florida? A. No. Q. All right. Where else have you lived in the United States? A. New York. Q. Where in New York? A. Manhattan. Q. What was the address in Manhattan where you lived? MR. ROSS: I'm going to advise you to invoke privilege. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Okay. Have you -- are you familiar with an address at 301 East 66th Street in New York? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: May we take a break for a second? May I speak with you? (Recess taken at 10:22 a.m.) MR. ROSS: Sure. VIDEOGRAPHER: Off the record, 10:22 a.m. [Deposition resumed at 10:23 a.m.] VIDEOGRAPHER: On the record, 10:23 a.m. MR. ROSS: Brad, let me just interrupt for a moment. MR. EDWARDS: No problem. MR. ROSS: Just to be sure, when the witness answers "I refuse to answer" to be clear the full statement that she's not saying for the sake of saving time is that she's invoking her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. Just to be clear. MR. EDWARDS: That's what I've understood all along. MR. MERMELSTEIN: That's what I understood. MR. ROSS: Okay, fine. Go ahead. 3524-006 Page 7 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009254 EFTA00159256 MR. EDWARDS: This is just for the sake of brevity -- MR. ROSS: Exactly. MR. EDWARDS: -- and let's move it on. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. So I'm going to ask the question again, I don't remember whether you'd responded yet, but are you familiar with the address in Manhattan 301 East 66th Street in New York? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Okay. How long did you live in -- well, what was the first address that you lived in in Miami? Q. South Shore. Okay. A. Um-hum. Q. Have you ever had your deposition taken before? A. No. Q. Okay. You're doing very well so far. There's a couple rules I didn't explain but mainly because you're doing very well. I just have to wait for you to finish your answer; you have to wait for me to finish my question. We have one court reporter. She can only take down one of us. Give us an answer that we all understand. Nodding of the head or shaking the head are easy to do and I get what you're saying, but she doesn't. Ah-ha or un-ah are things that are commonly said. They look the same on paper. If I ask a bad question which could happen, as already happened and probably will again, just tell me "I don't understand the question," I'll ask it again -- A. Okay. Q. -- all right? And I'm assuming that's the address, where you began living in fall of 2002? A. Correct. Q. How long did you live at that address? A. I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. A. Well, since -- since I came I lived there, I always stayed there whether being in Miami traveling back and forth, and I live currently at this address. Q. Okay. What was the first time that you moved from that address to live elsewhere? A. I do not recall. Q. Okay. I know that you told me you lived in New York City and we're not going to discuss -- I'm assuming you're not going to answer a lot of questions about New York City, but at what time period did you 3524-006 Page 8 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009255 EFTA00159257 move there? Was it right after you got here two weeks, a year later? I'm just trying to get a year as to when you moved to New York? MR. ROSS: I'm going to instruct you not to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Okay. Do you know a guy by the name of Jean Luc Brunel? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Where are your parents? A. They're in Q. And since you've been in the United States have they come to the United States? A. Yes, they have visited me. Q. Have they ever met Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have they ever met Jean Luc Brunel? Q. Where are you currently employed? A. I refuse to answer. A. I pursue -- I go to school full-time, I do not work. Q. Are you also still in the modeling business though? A. No, I'm not. Q. And when was the last time you did any modeling? Q. And why did you stop modeling at that time? A. I wanted -- I always kind of knew that it's something that I'm going to be doing and I just decided to go and pursue a college degree. Q. Okay. Is it something that you ever plan to go back to, modeling? A. No. Q. Are you involved at all with the modeling industry? A. No. A. No. Q. I mean, helping to recruit models, helping others to recruit models, anything like that? Q. Do you ever -- do you currently talk to Mr. Brunel? A. I refuse to answer. Q. When is the last time that you talked to Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know a woman by the name of Ghislaine Maxwell? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know someone by the name of 3524-006 Page 9 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009256 EFTA00159258 A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know a person named Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein have anything to do with you moving to New York City? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you ever live in a place in New York City owned or controlled by Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Are you familiar with the modeling agency MC ## Squared? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know of underage females being transported into this country to work for the modeling agency MC Squared? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know of those underage females being given work visas and staying at the 301 East 66th Street address? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Can you say whether you have observed Mr. Brunel or Mr. Epstein engaging in sex with underage females? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know where Mr. Brunel lives? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is it true that Mr. Brunel stays in the 301 East 66th address frequently with underage females? A. I refuse to answer. Q. At what point were you hired to work for Mr. Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. MR. EDWARDS: You can still answer the A. I refuse to answer. Q. And how did -- how did it come about that you began working with Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. Q. What did Jeffrey Epstein pay you in salary? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. What was the time period that you worked for him? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Why did you stop working for him? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. What initially were you hired to do? 17 Q. Has Jeffrey Epstein ever paid you to stay 3524-006 Page 10 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009257 EFTA00159259 quiet or keep quiet about what went on in his house? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you talked to about the things that went on in Jeffrey Epstein's house? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you sign a confidentiality agreement with Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did that confidentiality agreement outline what you should say to authorities should he be caught with underage females? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is there another book or manual or written memorialization of what you, as an employee of Jeffrey Epstein, should do if confronted by law enforcement? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Are you invoking your Fifth Amendment right because you believe you could be prosecuted? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Are you also invoking because you're scared to testify against Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. Q. When did you first learn that Jeffrey Epstein had a sexual obsession for underage females? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Isn't it true that you have seen Jeffrey Epstein sexually interacting with females as young as 12 years old? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is it true that you have observed Jeffrey Epstein's sexual obsession to include the age range 12 to 17? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you ever had sex with Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Have you ever been paid for sex with Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know if had sex with 3524-006 Page 11 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009258 EFTA00159260 Jeffrey Epstein when she was underage? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. What have you been told about Jeffrey Epstein's sexual obsession with underage minor children? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Isn't it true that Jeffrey Epstein interacted sexually with underage minors on an everyday basis? MR. PIKE: Form A. I refuse to answer. Q. And most of the time Mr. Epstein would interact with underage minors at least two times a day; is that true? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Can you explain to the jury how Mr. Epstein would access new underage minor females for sex every day? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. How many assistants did Jeffrey Epstein hire to bring him underage minor females for sex? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Were you one of those assistants that helped to bring him underage minor females? A. I refuse to answer. Q. I know that the laws in are probably different than they are here, but are you familiar with the Florida Statutes that protect children against sexual offenders or sexual predators? MR. ROSS: Invoke. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Let me just read you the lewd or lascivious molestation statute and then I'm going to ask you some questions about it. It says: "A person who intentionally touches in a lewd or lascivious manner the breasts, genitals, genital area or buttocks or the clothing covering them of a person less than 16 years of age or forces or entices a person under 16 years of age to so touch the perpetrator, commits lewd or lascivious molestation, a second degree felony." After hearing that statute isn't that something -- isn't that a crime that you know Mr. Epstein to have committed on an everyday basis while you were working for him? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. 3524-006 Page 12 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009259 EFTA00159261 Q. And that's a statute that he violated with more than 100 underage females; is that true? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. When did you become aware that Mr. Epstein was a child molester? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you ever seen him with a female under the age of 12? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you ever known Jeffrey Epstein to have sex with an adult? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Does he -- is he sexually attracted to adults? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. When was the first time you learned of Mr. Epstein getting a massage from an underage minor female? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. I realize some of these questions may sound repetitive but during this case we've learned of key terms that different people on Mr. Epstein's let's say payroll or inner circle recognize or talk about. So when I talk about "massages", do you know what that term means? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Isn't "massage" the word that was told by Jeffrey Epstein to all of his employees to refer to whatever acts he engages in with underage females in his bedroom? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. At this point -- were you -- were you ever in the bedroom with him when he was engaging in sexual acts with underage females and calling them "massages"? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you ever participate in any of the sexual acts that Jeffrey Epstein was having with underage females? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Now, just so that the record is clear there is not a single piece of evidence that ever indicates that you were involved with underage females, I'm not even implying that and I realize that you invoking it may -- 3524-006 Page 13 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009260 EFTA00159262 may give the wrong light and that's not -- that's not my intention, so -- but were you ever aware of participating in sex with underage females? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you read the police reports related to the criminal investigation into Mr. Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And you're aware of this 87-page police report that details numerous females that indicate that they were involved sexually with Mr. Epstein when they were minors? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did anyone instruct you to use the code word "massage"? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And when referring to these underage minor females that would come over to Mr. Epstein's house did anybody also tell you to use the term "work"? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Meaning when somebody would call to schedule one of these underage females for a massage isn't it true that they would say "It's time to come to work" and schedule a specific appointment? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Is there a book or manual or is it written anywhere that the -- that sex with underage minors is to be referred to as a "massage"? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Were there ever team meetings, for lack of a better word, where Jeffrey Epstein and possibly Ghislaine Maxwell, yourself, would talk about this organization of obtaining underage girls for Jeffrey Epstein for sex? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. What methods does Jeffrey Epstein use to gain access to underage minor females for sex? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. What is your understanding of Jeffrey Epstein's involvement with the modeling industry? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you ever modeled for MC Squared? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Has Jeffrey Epstein ever promised you anything related to a modeling career? 3524-006 Page 14 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 | EFTA_00009261 | | :--- | :--- | This is a simple Markdown document with no headings, paragraphs, or tables. It contains just one line of text. EFTA00159263 0029 MR. PIKE: Form. MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you ever talked to Jean Luc Brunel about modeling? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you ever talked to Jean Luc Brunel about his desire to have sex with underage females? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Isn't it true that Jean Luc Brunel has been in trouble for years for having sex with underage minors in Europe? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Are you familiar with The McIntyre Reports? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Okay. Are you familiar with reports done on modeling agencies back in the 80's and 90's related to agency owners having sex with underage minors? MR. ROSS: Answer the question. A. No, I'm not. Q. Okay. Did you ever hear of Jean Luc Brunel's reputation for having sex with underage girls? MR. ROSS: Invoke. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know how Jean Luc Brunel knows Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Isn't their connection the obsession for underage minor females? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Based on your observations of Jeffrey Epstein would you categorize his obsession for underage minor females as an addiction? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Isn't it true that Ghislaine Maxwell delivers underage minor females to Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you ever had a sexual relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know what Ghislaine Maxwell does in general for Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you seen photographs of underage minor females in Jeffrey Epstein's patrol -- control or possession? MR. PIKE: Form. 3524-006 Page 15 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009262 EFTA00159264 A. I refuse to answer. Q. Were there surveillance cameras, hidden surveillance cameras inside Jeffrey Epstein's home? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did those surveillance cameras capture underage minor females naked? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And didn't Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell watch those surreptitiously obtained videos of underage minor females? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And those videos and photographs of underage minor females were saved on Jeffrey Epstein's computers in his house, right? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you seen those photographs and videos on Jeffrey Epstein's computers? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Who have you talked to related to the criminal investigation into Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. MR. ROSS: In addition, attorney-client privilege. Q. And I certainly would -- do not want to know anything you talked to your attorney about, I apologize. A. (Nods.) Q. Why was it that you were named as a co-conspirator of Jeffrey Epstein's in the non-prosecution agreement? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you feel like a victim of Jeffrey Epstein's? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you feel any remorse for any role that you may have played in having underage minor females at Jeffrey Epstein's house for him to molest them? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you known Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey 3524-006 Page 16 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009263 EFTA00159265 Epstein to keep sex slaves? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know somebody named? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you met? A. I refuse to answer. MR. EDWARDS: All right. Let me go ahead and mark as -- as Plaintiff's Exhibit 1 a lawsuit that was filed by Bob Josefsberg on behalf of Jane Doe 102 v. Jeffrey Epstein just for the purposes of asking the witness some questions. MR. ROSS: I've seen it. (Whereupon, Plaintiff's Exhibit 1 was marked for identification.) Q. Have you ever read the lawsuit Jane Doe 102 v. Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. Q. In the lawsuit it indicates the plaintiff was 15 years old when Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein had a threesome with this underage minor female. Are you aware of that? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And Jeffrey Epstein and/or Ghislaine Maxwell obtained and purchased passports for 15-year-old Jane Doe 102 to transport her to Palm Beach, New York City, Santa Fe, Los Angeles, San Francisco, St. Louis, as well as Europe, the Caribbean, and Africa; are you aware of that? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. It's also alleged that Jeffrey Epstein in addition to molesting Jane Doe 102 along with Ghislaine Maxwell forced her to have sex with other models, actresses, and celebrities? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. It also indicates that Jeffrey Epstein transported other minor girls from Turkey, the Czech Republic, Asia, and other countries. Are you aware of that? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is Jean Luc Brunel his partner in that international child sex trade? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Are you aware that after -- that Jeffrey 3524-006 Page 17 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009264 EFTA00159266 Epstein forced Jane Doe 102 to have sex with other adult male peers including royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and/or other professional and personal acquaintances of Jeffrey Epstein's? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is that something that he did with girls other than Jane Doe 102? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Aren't you familiar with Jeffrey Epstein's practice of pimping out underage minor females to other people that have the same sexual obsession with underage minors? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And doesn't he benefit financially from that sex trade? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Jane Doe 102 ultimately escaped from him and left to Australia, is that your understanding? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Have you ever spoken with Jane Doe 102? A. I refuse to answer. Q. On one of Epstein's birthdays a friend of Jeffrey Epstein sent to him 12 -- three 12-year-old girls from France who spoke no English for Epstein to sexually exploit and abuse and after doing so he sent them back to France the next day. Are you familiar with that? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Isn't that something that is fairly common for Mr. Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Who are the friends that send to Jeffrey Epstein underage minor females for his birthday so that he can abuse? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Is one of those friends Jean Luc Brunel? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you ever met Prince Andrew? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Has Prince Andrew been involved with underage minor females to your knowledge? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you ever met Alan Dershowitz? A. I refuse to answer. 3524-006 Page 18 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009265 EFTA00159267 Q. When Alan Dershowitz stays at Jeffrey Epstein's house isn't it true that he has been at the house when underage minor females have been in the bedroom with Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Has -- are you familiar with the media publication or online resource RadarOnline? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is that something that you assisted Mr. Epstein with when he purchased RadarOnline? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And do you know his business partner in that endeavor? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Isn't it also true that he used RadarOnline as another way to gain access to underage minor females for sex? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you been to all of Jeffrey Epstein's properties? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Certainly you've been to the property at 358 El Brillo Way, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you been to his property in Manhattan? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And have you been to his island in -- it was Little St. James, I believe he calls it Little St. Jeff's now? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And have you witnessed underage child sex orgies on that island? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know a female named A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know where A. I refuse to answer. Q. What is your understanding of role in Jeffrey Epstein's life? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Isn't it true that she gets paid just to bring him underage minor females for sex? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And additionally, she schedules the 3524-006 Page 19 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009266 EFTA00159268 appointments for underage minor females for him to molest? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. You know A. I refuse to answer. Q. Does she still work for Ghislaine Maxwell? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Was she an underage minor child victim of Jeffrey Epstein's? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Through discovery we've talked to numerous witnesses about, you know, Jeffrey Epstein and people that work for him. I don't know if you'll be able to answer any of these questions but I'll ask them anyway one at a time. Jeffrey Epstein? somebody who travels with MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And when Jeffrey Epstein is coming to town doesn't he call his number one assistant? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And at some point in time, it looks like in early 2005 or late 2004, you were also an assistant of Jeffrey Epstein's, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And how was it that you transitioned from being involved in modeling to being an employee of Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Other than arranging for underage minor females to come to Jeffrey Epstein's house did you do anything else for Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you ever fly on Jeffrey Epstein's airplane? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you witness Jeffrey Epstein abuse -- sexually abusing underage minor females on his airplane? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you know that it was illegal for Jeffrey Epstein to interact sexually with underage minor females? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. 3524-006 Page 20 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 | EFTA_00009267 | | :--- | :--- | This is a simple Markdown document with no headings, paragraphs, or tables. It contains just one line of text. EFTA00159269 Q. Did you ever object to Jeffrey Epstein interacting sexually with underage minor females? MR. RIKE: Form A. I refuse to answer. Q. Would Jeffrey Epstein get angry at you if you did not have an appointment set for him with an underage minor female? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Has Jeffrey Epstein contacted you in the last year? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Has contacted you within the last year? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Has anybody that is associated with Jeffrey Epstein's party contacted you in the last year? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. By that I mean to include Ghislaine Maxwell, Lesley Groff, any of these people, have they contacted you within the last year? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Are you familiar with the names of some of the underage minor females? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Are you familiar with LM? Q. Do you remember what LM looked like? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you remember what EW looked like? Q. Are you familiar with EW? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Are you familiar with Jane Doe? A. I refuse to answer. Q. These are all females that were underage minor females that Jeffrey Epstein interacted with sexually during a time when you were working for him; isn't that true? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And LM was somebody that went over to Jeffrey Epstein's house and was molested at a young age by him more than 100 times; is that true? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And EW was also somebody who went over to Jeffrey Epstein's house when she was between 14 and 16 years old more than a hundred times; isn't that 3524-006 Page 21 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009268 EFTA00159270 true? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And Jane Doe was somebody that went to Jeffrey Epstein's house more than 15 times to be molested by Jeffrey Epstein when she was 14 and 15 years old; is that true? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is it also true that LM brought to Jeffrey Epstein's house between 50 and 75 other underage minor females for Jeffrey Epstein to molest? A. I refuse to answer. MR. ROSS: Form. Q. Are you aware of Jeffrey Epstein's for lack of a better word "ritual" with these underage minor females in his bedroom? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Wouldn't it generally begin with Jeffrey Epstein placing a call to or yourself and telling you that he's going to be in town at the Palm Beach mansion? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And then isn't there a list of underage minor females stored in the computer system? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And that computer system is interconnected from his New York home, his New Mexico home, his island, his home in France, and West Palm Beach; is that correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And have you seen that list of underage minor females stored in the computer system? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And isn't it true there are over a thousand girls at any given time between the age range of 12 and 17 all of which have been molested by Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And when Mr. Epstein would call and tell you the time that he was going to be in town it would then be your job to get an underage minor female to his house and set a specific appointment for that person; is that correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And he would tell you the exact time of day 3524-006 Page 22 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009269 EFTA00159271 that he wanted his two or three appointments to molest underage minor females? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And you would go into the computer system and call the person that he told you he wanted to see for that day; is that correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And that may be or somebody local that you would call on the telephone and tell them to come work at a specific time? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And didn't Mr. Epstein tell you that the way you need to tell these girls is that they are working so that they do not feel that they have the option to decline? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. I mean, the psychology of it all was explained in detail by Jeffrey Epstein; isn't that correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And once the girls were inside the bedroom Jeffrey Epstein said that he can take care of the rest, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And the underage minor female would show up at the house and be greeted at the door by either yourself, the house manager, or correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Many of these underage minor females including my three clients, LM, EW, and Jane Doe personally, right? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And then you would lead them upstairs to his bedroom and leave him alone in the bedroom, leave my client alone in the bedroom? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And let's take LM, and she went there many times between the ages of 13 and 16. If she was taken up to his bedroom she would be left alone in the bedroom until Jeffrey Epstein arrived, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And Jeffrey Epstein would appear usually naked and order for her to take her clothes off? 3524-006 Page 23 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009270 EFTA00159272 MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And then Mr. Epstein would lay face down on the massage table would usually be the next step, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And you know this ritual because at some point in time Jeffrey Epstein showed you exactly what he does with each of these girls in the bedroom, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. So after about -- he would order the underage minor female to begin massaging him, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And then he would roll over and begin to masturbate with his right hand, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And then he would begin also grabbing the breasts, buttocks, and vagina area of these underage minor females, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And his ritual was so specific that with each of them he would demand that they pinch his nipples very hard, right? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. That's a fetish that you know that Jeffrey Epstein has, right, he likes his nipples pinched very hard? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And as he's masturbating with one hand and has his other hand groping or inserting his fingers into the underage minor's vagina he's also telling them to pinch his nipples, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And this continues -- and sometimes this escalates to him using vibrators, correct?MR. PIKE: Form A. I refuse to answer. Q. And have you seen vibrators in the Palm Beach mansion house? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And other times he orders participate in these encounters with underage minor females; is that correct? A. I refuse to answer. 3524-006 Page 24 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 | EFTA_00009271 | | :--- | :--- | This is a simple Markdown document with no headings, paragraphs, or tables. It contains just one line of text. EFTA00159273 Q. Are you familiar with strapping on dildos to have sex with these underage minor females? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And when the underage minor females Jeffrey Epstein would watch and continue to ejac -- continue to masturbate, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Has he ever asked you to participate in these threesomes with underage minor females? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Have you ever participated in sex with underage minor females at the direction of Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. The -- this whole experience that I am explaining right now is identical every single time with these underage minor females; isn't that your understanding? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And this whole experience is what he has taught you and the other employees to call a "massage", correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And it always ends with him ejaculating? A. I refuse to answer MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And then he offers 200 to $300 cash to the underage minor female, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And then he also gives them another -- another option to make money which is each time you come to my house and we engage in this sexual interaction I will give you $200, but each female you bring me like you, between the age range of 12 and 16, I will pay you $200 per person. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Is that something you're familiar with? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And LM at that offer was one of the girls who brought him 75 plus underage minor females, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And so he's basically created a pyramid of 3524-006 Page 25 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009272 EFTA00159274 underage minor females where the computer system has a thousand of these females ready to come over to work for him? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know what Jeffrey Epstein does for a living? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Does he do anything aside from interacting sexually with underage minor females? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know how it is that he made his money where he is purported to be a billionaire? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Do you know David Copperfield? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is David Copperfield somebody that would come into town and interact sexually with underage minor females? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know Martin Nowak? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is that also somebody that would interact sexually with underage minor females? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know Leslie Wexner? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is that somebody you've met before? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Has Mr. Epstein himself interacted sexually with Leslie Wexner? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. When Mr. Epstein was being investigated criminally how did you first learn about that? A. I refuse to answer. Q. At some point in time he was tipped off that his home -- that a search warrant was going to be executed on his home, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And just a month before the execution of that search warrant -- less than a month before the execution of that search warrant he ordered you to do something with certain evidence, didn't he? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. In fact, there were at least three very key computers that contained a lot of the information that I've been asking you about. You're familiar with those 3524-006 Page 26 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009273 EFTA00159275 computers that were in his house, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And he ordered you to come over and take those computers out of his house, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And you could basically take the local Q. And you could basically take the local database that exposed this criminal enterprise that I've been talking about dealing with sex with underage minor vehicles -- underage minor females and you could take the evidence from his home, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And you've seen the material that's on those computers, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And if I were to look at those computers it would display exactly what I've been describing to you today, right? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And you went to his house with a male, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. There was one other guy with you that helped that assisted you to take these computers from his home; is that right? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Where did you take those? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you take those -- was it Bill Reilly that went to the home? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. He's one of the investigators hired by Roy Black to represent Jeffrey Epstein? Q. Did you take those computers ever to your house? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And I guess the house that I would be talking about is the ___, have those computers ever been to that house? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Were you nervous about the fact that you were taking these computers out of the home at a time when a 3524-006 Page 27 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009274 EFTA00159276 0056 search warrant was imminent? Q. Did you ever question when you were directed to take these computers from his home? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. How much additional money or bonus were you paid to take the computers that we're talking about out of Jeffrey Epstein's house? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Would those computers reveal criminal activity of only Jeffrey Epstein or of others? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you talk with about the criminal investigation into Jeffrey Epstein and ot criminal investigation into Jeffrey Epstein and others? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Well, at some point in time what's been marked as Defense Exhibit 1, you received a Grand Jury investigation target letter, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Well, we have it right here. I'm familiar with it. I know you got the letter and I know that, you know, the substance of it you're not going to tell me about. But this letter is dated August 31st, 2007, the search warrant was executed on his home back in October of 2005. So during those two years leading up to this target letter who did you talk to? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you -- MR. ROSS: And privilege. Attorney-client privilege. Q. Okay. In addition to your attorney did you talk to anybody else about the criminal investigation? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And was your initial computer -- computer -- was your initial attorney in this case, correct? MR. ROSS: You can answer yes or no. A. Yes. Q. Okay. And that was an attorney that was hired for you by Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Someone that was paid for by Jeffrey Epstein to represent you? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. So once he hired you a criminal attorney then it seemed like you did something wrong? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. 3524-006 Page 28 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009275 EFTA00159277 A. I refuse to answer. Q. You hadn't actually gone into any relationship with Jeffrey Epstein with the intent to commit crimes, did you? A. I refuse to answer. Q. You didn't know that he was a child molester when you first met him, did you? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Were you impressed by his money and his lifestyle? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you think that he could get you further in life if you would just listen to what he said? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. At this point in time you have no contact with him as a child molester, do you? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein assist in getting you a visa? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Has he done any favors for your family? Q. Has he done any favors for your family? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Is he paying for your college? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Right now is he paying for your college? MR. ROSS: Invoke. A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever talk to you about the chances of him going to prison? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever talk to you about what he intended his defenses to be to the criminal actions he committed against these underage minors? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did he tell you that he would spend as much money as possible to intimidate and harass these underage minor victims? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did he tell you that he would destroy their credibility? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did he tell you that he could scare them to 3524-006 Page 29 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009276 EFTA00159278 away? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form and form to the last question. MR. EDWARDS: All right. Let's see, what did I say, I said this was -was in town there were at least two scheduled "massages" for lack of a better word, with Jeffrey Epostein and these under: MR. ROSS: 1. MR. EDWARDS: -- Plaintiff's 1 and we're going to write on the back of it and then -- okay. Q. Jeffrey Epstein kept message pads near all of his phones in his home, right? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And those are message pads that have a carbon copy back side to them, you're familiar with them? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And this is for anybody who takes a message they write it down that somebody called, the reason for calling, the time that they called? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And many a times anytime that Jeffrey Epstein Q. And do you have the -- and there was a particular scheduling book that contained these appointments with -- between Jeffrey Epstein and underage minor females, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And it was your primary responsibility to assist in setting these appointments up, right? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. It took at least two or three full-time employees to keep up with Jeffrey Epstein's addiction to underage minors, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Lesley Groff did pretty much the same thing up in New York, right? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And you're familiar that there is this group of girls in New York that were summoned to his home for generally the exact same thing as the Palm Beach girls? A. I refuse to answer. Q. All right. 3524-006 Page 30 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009277 EFTA00159279 Q. I'm going to show you an exhibit here, we'll mark it as -- you know what, it's a bunch of message pads, I'm going to mark it as 2A, -B, -C, -D, whatever. So we'll say 2A. MR. PIKE: Form. (Whereupon, Plaintiff's Exhibit 2A through 2H were marked for identification.) Q. Do you recognize it? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Okay. MR. PIKE: May I see that? MR. EDWARDS: Sure. Q. Do you recognize the handwriting on it? A. I refuse to answer. Q. It indicates for 11 yet, so she is keeping on hold in case doesn't call back." What does that message mean? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. an underage minor female that Jeffrey Epstein was going to molest at 11:00, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And if wasn’t available then you had another underage minor female named that could step in her place and fulfill that role for Jeffrey Epstein, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. All right. 2B is another message pad and I'm going to -- we'll stop skipping the process of moving this on and I'm assuming you're not going to be able to answer as to whether or not you -- you recognize that either, right? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Okay. This is a message from 9/4/05, so September 4th, 2005, 7:25 p.m. saying "cancelled She would like to speak to you I believe about college," and a telephone number. And then a question from you, "Should I schedule anyone else?" What did that message mean? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. That another typical ploy of Mr. Epstein's, that he would promise these girls something in order to get them to allow him to sexually abuse them? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Because he certainly did not want them to tell the police, correct? A. I refuse to answer. 3524-006 Page 31 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009278 EFTA00159280 Q. And did you have many meetings about what to do if any of these girls told the police? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Was it always known that Jeffrey Epstein would hire everyone attorneys and tell everyone just not to talk? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And at the same time then he could employ a bunch of investigators, dig up a bunch of dirt on these girls, and intimidate them and scare them to go away, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And Jeffrey Epstein doesn't like -- he didn't like any of these underage minor females, right? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. In fact, it was the opposite, he liked to hurt them; isn't that true? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And after they came forward if they told the truth he was dead set on hurting them even more, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And that's also a feeling that Ghislaine Maxwell shared as well, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And that's something that she also told you, "Don't worry. If we get caught we have it covered and we'll just attack these little girls." MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. All right. There's another message from 9/10/05. says confirmed for 4 p.m." Can you tell us what that message means? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. It's another underage minor female that Jeffrey Epstein's going to molest at 4 p.m., correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And when I say "molest", you know, he may say "massage", I mean, that's -- that's something interchangeable, right? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. It's the routine that I described in detail that is identical with every single girl every single time, correct? 3524-006 Page 32 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009279 EFTA00159281 Q. And it's basically as far as he can get with this underage minor female without her crying or screaming or running out of the house? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you ever see any of the girls cry or scream or run out of the house? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you have a personal relationship with any of these underage minor females? A. I refuse to answer. Q. There's another message here from 9/10/05, Q. There's another message here from 9/10/05, same day later in the day, 10 p.m. saying "will be at 11. Do you want me to cancel " MR. PIKE: Form. Do you know what that message means? A. I refuse to answer. Q. What is this? There's another message from 9/11/05 saying "I got a car for," and then the name is blotted out. The State Attorney's Office blotted the names of minors out sometimes in their file. So do you -- do you know -- can you fill in that blank? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know if this was the car that he rented for Jane Doe 4? A. I refuse to answer. Q. All right. Or the car that he rented for AH? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. You're familiar with both of those people, right? A. I refuse to answer. Q. In fact, AH was somebody that was over at Jeffrey Epstein's house many times, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. 9/3/2005. Message from saying "I left message for to confirm for 11 a.m. and for 4:30 p.m." Do you remember leaving that message? Q. And this is -- A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. It's his typical schedule where he schedules one underage minor female to molest in the morning and one in the afternoon, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. I mean, considering this is -- have you ever 3524-006 Page 33 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009280 EFTA00159282 worked anywhere else where there is somebody sexually molesting underage minor females on a daily basis like this? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. At some point in time did you tell your parents that this was happening? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you ever talk to anybody else in the house and say "Hey, look, this is not right"? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you feel sorry for these girls? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And you say you do or you do not remember AH? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Okay. And do you know what happened up in the bedroom between AH as a minor and Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Well, this is what she tells police: "She arrived at the house, went upstairs to the bedroom. She advised she immediately removed her clothing and and Epstein were already naked in the bedroom. AH explained that and she had a sexual encounter that included kissing, touching, and oral sex. AH remembered that she climaxed and was removing herself from the massage table. Epstein then turned AH onto her stomach on the massage table and inserted his penis into her vagina. AH stated Epstein began to pump his penis in her vagina. AH became upset over this. She said her head was being held forcibly against the bed as he continued to pump inside her. She screamed 'No,' and Epstein stopped. He would normally pay her $200, but for this he apologized and paid her a thousand dollars for that visit." Are you familiar with that encounter? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Do you remember a time when AH as a 16-year-old I believe at this time left her house --left the house visibly upset? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. These message pads were message pads that were taken from trash pulls outside of Jeffrey Epstein's home and for the most -- well, there's so many messages 3524-006 Page 34 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 | EFTA_00009281 | | :--- | :--- | This is a simple Markdown representation of the text from the image. The text is split into two lines, with "EFTA_00009281" on one line and the rest on another. There are no headings or paragraphs present in the image. EFTA00159283 here, but most of them are by somebody other than yourself. So my question is who are the other people that would take messages for Jeffrey Epstein for underage minor females to come to the house? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And the messages include CL, "Can I come work today?" What does "work" mean? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. That means come to your house and get paid for Jeffrey Epstein sexually molesting this person while she was underage; is that correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And it was also pretty frequent that the girls would come in tandem, isn't that true, two at a time? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And one being the girl that would bring the new girl there, would wait downstairs while the new girl was upstairs getting molested but then getting paid? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. How did Jeffrey Epstein explain himself to you as to why he did this? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know when it is that he first became sexually obsessed with underage minor females? MR. PIKE: Form. MR. PIKE: Asked and answered. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you know that he was a school teacher at the Dalton School? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And at that point in time -- well, are you aware of him molesting underage minors while he was a teacher there? A. I refuse to answer. Q. There's another note that's not a message pad which I guess I will -- since it has your name on it I will mark it as what are we on -- 3 -- wait, C -- MR. ROSS: 3. MR. EDWARDS: I messed up. MR. ROSS: 3. (Whereupon, Plaintiff's Exhibit 3 was marked for identification.) Q. Look at that while I fix what I've messed up over here. 3524-006 Page 35 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009282 EFTA00159284 MR. ROSS: I'm going to show this to the witness. MR. EDWARDS: Yes. Yes. Q. Do you recognize that document? A. I refuse to answer. Q. There are a lot of different things on here that don't necessarily relate to you. At least I can't tell that they do. But it does indicate "parents are going to the embassy on the 23rd." Do you remember when that happened? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Why did your parents go to the embassy? A. I refuse to answer. Q. More importantly why was Mr. Epstein concerned that your parents were going to the Embassy? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Was -- at that point in time was Mr. Epstein assisting your parents with anything? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Are your parents citizens of the United States? MR. ROSS: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Are you? A. No. Q. Has Mr. Epstein ever offered to get you a visa for the United States? Q. Do you know Raer Roshan? A. I refuse to answer. Q. That was Jeffrey Epstein's partner in RadarOnline, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And if I showed you every single message pad here would you be able to answer any of the questions about any of the messages that were left at Jeffrey Epstein's house? A. I refuse to answer. MR. EDWARDS: Okay. That saves us a lot of time. MR. ROSS: It did. Q. Have you ever met Bill Clinton? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is Bill Clinton -- was Bill Clinton a friend of Jeffrey Epstein's? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is Bill Clinton somebody who Jeffrey Epstein has ever procured underage minor females for? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. 3524-006 Page 36 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009283 EFTA00159285 Q. And just -- and just for, you know, the sake of what the evidence shows, there's no evidence that I have that indicates that that happened, but if you were going to answer that question I'm willing to ask it. Have you met him at Jeffrey Epstein's house in Palm Beach County? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. You have flown on Jeffrey Epstein's airplanes numerous times, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. As well has Bill Clinton and you're aware of that, right? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you ever seen the flight logs from Jeffrey Epstein's airplanes? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And on many times it is Bill Clinton, Secret Service agents, Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, and others. Have you -- do you know about those flights? A. I refuse to answer MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And have you ever witnessed sex on any of Jeffrey Epstein's flights? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Do you know A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is that somebody that is Ghislaine Maxwell's sex slave? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And isn't it typical for Jeffrey Epstein to have a sex slave that flies with him on the airplane? have a sex slave that flies with him on the airplane? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And one of the qualifications is that the section slave be underage, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And if the sex slave is 15 years old isn't it your understanding and based on your observations that he will even make them dress as if they're 11 or 12? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Do you know President Andres Pastrana? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know him as somebody who has had sex with underage minor females brought to him by Jeffrey 3524-006 Page 37 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009284 EFTA00159286 ## Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Have you ever heard of Ehud Burak? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Is that another person that Epstein -- Jeffrey Epstein procures underage minor females for? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. You've met Naomi Campbell I'm assuming? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Anytime separate and apart from any dealings with Jeffrey Epstein have you met her in the modeling industry? That's a model, right? MR. PIKE: Form. MR. ROSS: You can answer the question. A. No, I have not. Q. Okay. Do you know Todd Meister? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Joel Pashcow? A. I refuse to answer. Q. You've been to their houses? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know Aline Weber? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you ever stayed at the 301 East 66th Street places with Aline Weber? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And typically aren't there at least 16 underage minor females staying at those various condominiums located at 301 East 66th Street? Q. And those females get work visas to say that they're models, but actually they are prostituted out by Jeffrey Epstein and John Luc Brunel, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And various businessmen and politicians around New York and Washington, D.C. go to those apartments frequently to have sex with underage minors; is that true? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you remember a flight on December 3rd, 2004 that you took with Jeffrey Epstein, and somebody with initials SH -- A. I refuse to answer. Q. -- from JFK to PBI? Q. Do you remember that? A. I refuse to answer. 3524-006 Page 38 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009285 EFTA00159287 A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is that an underage minor? Q. Who is SH? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you remember a flight that you took December 27th with and Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. Q. What airport is this, TIST? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know Doug Band? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Isn't that Bill Clinton's assistant? A. I refuse to answer. Q. You've been on the airplane with him before? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you been on the airplane with Bill Clinton before? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Who is A. I refuse to answer. Q. That's somebody you've flown with on Jeffrey Epstein's plane on numerous occasions, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. In fact, during the year 2005 you flew on Jeffrey Epstein's plane would you say more than 50 times? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And you flew to his island, right? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. You flew to New Mexico? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. 3524-006 Page 39 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009286 EFTA00159288 Q. Did he ever make you have sex with any of his A. I refuse to answer. friends? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Who is Sandy Berger? A. I refuse to answer. Q. That's somebody else that was affiliated with Bill Clinton at one point in time, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. A close friend of Jeffrey Epstein's? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. He called the house within three weeks of the search warrant being executed. Did he tip off Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Do you know Igor Zinoviev? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is he somebody that's involved with underage minors? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Andrea Metrovich? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Have you flown on the airplane with Alan Dershowitz before? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And Jean Luc Brunel is somebody who you have been on the airplane with several times, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And when Jean Luc Brunel is on this airplane there are underage minor -- minor females on the airplane with you, correct? Q. Is there a back room to this airplane? Is there any sort of separation or is it all one big room? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. So if Jeffrey Epstein and Jean Luc Brunel are engaged in sex acts with underage minors did you -- A. I refuse -- A. I refuse -- Q. Sorry -- did you observe any of those acts? Q. And on numerous of the flights the flight logs indicate someone's name then oftentimes initials, but sometimes it would just say "three females". Do you know why? 3524-006 Page 40 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009287 EFTA00159289 A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Who's Q. Do you know A. I refuse to answer. Q. They're the house managers up at the mansion up in Manhattan, correct? MR. BIKE: Form A. I refuse to answer. Q. And they assist Mr. Epstein in engaging in underage sex with minors in New York, correct? MR. BIKE: Form A. I refuse to answer. Q. They also maintain a pretty close relationship with the police? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And that's a big component also, right, that Jeffrey Epstein has -- is friendly with the law enforcement, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Like law enforcement would do favors for not only Jeffrey Epstein but his various assistants. If you were speeding around the neighborhood they wouldn't A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Somebody that he had engaged in sex with when 3524-006 Page 41 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009288 EFTA00159290 she was underage? she was underage? A. I refuse to answer. Q. She actually got a modeling contract out of it? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Why does Jean Luc Brunel and Jeffrey Epstein fly together so often? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And why does Ghislaine Maxwell also fly so often with Jeffrey Epstein and Jean Luc Brunel? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Isn't it true that all three of them are obsessed and addicted to sex with underage minors? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Brad, how much longer do you have? MR. EDWARDS: How long? You want to take a break? MR. PIKE: Yeah. MR. EDWARDS: Sure. It's going a lot faster than I thought it would. VIDEOGRAPHER: Off the record, 11:33 a.m. (Recess taken at 11:33 a.m.) (Deposition resumed at 11:43 a.m.) VIDEOGRAPHER: On the record, 11:43 a.m. BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. All right. There's one more message that I wanted to ask you about. As I mentioned, I'm not going to go through all of the messages that I have, but there's one from 9/4/2005, 9:08 a.m. from "Is it okay for me to stop by and drop something?" A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. So what were your hours working for Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. Q. I mean, some of these messages are 9:00 in the morning and others are as late as 8:30 or 9 at night. So what were your hours? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Another message from 9/4 also, same day, "I think, "confirmed an 11 a.m., is at 4:30 p.m." MR. MERMELSTEIN: I think that's one you did. MR. EDWARDS: Oh, yeah? Okay. Q. All right. Do you remember that message? A. I refuse to answer. MR. EDWARDS: Do you care how I attach it since it's -- 3524-006 Page 42 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009289 EFTA00159291 MR. EDWARDS: I'll attach it as whatever it is. MR. ROSS: No. MR. ROSS: 4. MR. EDWARDS: 2 -- well, I'll just go 2H since it's a message. You don't have a problem with that? 2H? MR. ROSS: Whatever. (Whereupon, Plaintiff's Exhibit 2H was marked for identification.) Q. Do you still consider Jeffrey Epstein a friend? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did you ever think of Jeffrey Epstein as a friend? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Other than the people that I've mentioned of -- you know, President Pastrana and Ehud Burak and Prince Andrew did you meet any other people of royalty being friends with Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Can you tell us any of the other folks that Jeffrey Epstein would supply underage minor girls to? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know his wife? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know a man by the name of Glenn Dubin? A. I refuse to answer. Q. His wife at some point in time was associated with Jeffrey Epstein; is that correct? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And her name's Eva Dubin; is that right? I refuse to answer. Q. Either way, isn't it true that Jeffrey Epstein then started supplying underage females to Glenn Dubin? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is that somebody who also worked for Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever get a legitimate massage from somebody that's a masseuse? MR. PIKE: Form A. I refuse to answer. Q. The underage females that we've talked about 3524-006 Page 43 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009290 EFTA00159292 particularly, LM, EW, and Jane Doe, those girls were not prostitutes, were they? Q. These were just girls who were in 8th, 9th, 10th grade in high school, right? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. These were girls that you knew had never committed prostitution in the past, right? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And that goes for all of these girls on the phone list of underage minors to call, these were not prostitutes, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. You never called a prostitution or escort service for Jeffrey Epstein, did you? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And as well you never called a legitimate massage parlor for Jeffrey Epstein, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. He devised this scheme of having underage minor girls bring him other underage minor girls so that he could gain access to his target age group, 12 to 16 years old, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you heard Jeffrey Epstein say "The younger the better?" A. I refuse to answer. Q. And did Jeffrey Epstein tell you that it made him happy the younger the girl was? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. The less developed the girl is the more excited Jeffrey Epstein gets; is that true? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you ever plan to talk to Jeffrey Epstein in the future? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Would you ever work for him again? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Why didn't you stop working for him sooner? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did you -- well, you knew that it was illegal what he was doing at the time you were doing it, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you know that you were part of a large child molestation ring? 3524-006 Page 44 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 | EFTA_00009291 | | :--- | :--- | This is a simple Markdown document with no headings, paragraphs, or tables. It contains just one line of text. EFTA00159293 MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you ever tell anyone while you were working for him that you wanted to stop? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did you continue working there because you were just scared to stop? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Were you in fear of what Ghislaine Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein might do to you if you quit performing your services for his child molestation ring? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein ever threaten you? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did Ghislaine Maxwell ever threaten you? A. I refuse to answer. Q. How was it decided who would call which girl? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And by that, just so it's clear, like I said, there's going to be many, many, many message pads, I have not counted them, but a lot created by either yourself or someone named ## various people that we know to have been employed at Jeffrey Epstein's home. And it seems that on one particular day may call several girls, you may call several girls, may call several girls. Who is directing which -- which of you, which of the assistants is going to call the underage minor to give them an appointment? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And what would happen on the occasions where Jeffrey Epstein says he's going to be in town and then he's ultimately not in town but a girl shows up anyway? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Weren't you just told just to pay her to keep her happy? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And isn't part of the whole scheme that these girls were typically told "Don't tell anybody what goes on inside this house," right? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And did Jeffrey Epstein tell you that because these girls are young and they're poor and they're underprivileged type girls they're likely not going to 3524-006 Page 45 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009292 EFTA00159294 say anything anyway? Isn't that what he told you? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did Ghislaine Maxwell talk to you about that as well? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Have you seen Jeffrey Epstein angry? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Isn't it true that he's very nice and engaging as long as he gets his way and gets you to cooperate, right? A. I refuse to answer. Q. But if he doesn't get his way he gets very, very angry and mad and scary; isn't that true? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And you've seen both sides of him, right? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. In fact, you know of girls who were 13 years old and cooperated with everything he said because they felt they had no choice up in that bedroom, right? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Wouldn't you agree that that house upstairs can be somewhat confusing in how it's -- how it's laid out? Q. And you also know girls who resisted and were yelled at and told to grab their money and get out of there, right? A. I refuse to answer. Q. In fact, there's a stairwell that starts from the kitchen, there's a door and it almost blends in in the kitchen with the other closets, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. But you open that door and there's a stairway that twists it seems to the left and there's another door at the top of that stairway, right? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And then when you exit that stairway you take a right and you head towards a little hallway that eventually leads into Mr. Epstein's bedroom, right? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And if it's your first time in that bedroom as a 14-year-old girl and you don't like what's happened up there would you agree that it's a tough way to find your -- a place to find your way out of? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did Jeffrey -- didn't Jeffrey Epstein tell you that he would act as a father-type figure to these 3524-006 Page 46 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009293 EFTA00159295 girls? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And he would propose that what they are doing for him or with him despite the law is okay? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And they could continue to make a lot of money if they would come over and be his sex victims, right? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And you were aware when my client, LM, was pregnant at 16 years old that Jeffrey Epstein bought everything on her baby registry, right? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Was it you or ___ that took all of the gifts over to her home? A. I refuse to answer. Q. I believe it was in a -- did Jeffrey Epstein own a Mercedes? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And do you remember when loaded up the Mercedes with all the baby gifts and took it to my client's trailer? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And that was so that while LM -- that was to thank her while she was pregnant she continued to bring him 13-, 14-, and 15-year-old girls to molest, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Because LM would no longer qualify as somebody he'd be sexually interacting with as she was pregnant, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Because the only real disqualifications for interacting sexually with Mr. Epstein are if you have tattoos, right? A. I refuse to answer. Q. If you're African-American or black? A. I refuse to answer. Q. You've never known him to interact with an African-American or black girl, have you? A. I refuse to answer. Q. If you've been pregnant? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Or if you are pregnant, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. But certainly he was not above having a 3524-006 Page 47 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009294 EFTA00159296
pregnant 16-year-old girl bringing him underage minor females, correct?
A. I refuse to answer. Q. In fact -bring underage minor females from? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. -- it was his belief that he was doing her a favor in that he was giving her money for providing a service, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is it Jeffrey Epstein's belief that he did these girls a favor? A. I refuse to answer. Q. I mean, doesn't he think that these girls are lucky that he ever -- that they ever -- that he ever allowed them out of their trailer and into his mansion, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. We've defined the molestation statute or at least I read it to you earlier and now we've talked about this scheme of Jeffrey Epstein gaining access to this number of underage minor females. At the time when you were working for him did you recognize him as a serial child molester? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Do you know of anybody that ever worked for him that quit working for him because of what he was doing? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Do you know Michael Friedman? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is that somebody you ever met there? A. I refuse to answer. Q. What countries does Jeffrey Epstein typically A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know why he chooses the countries that he chooses to import underage minor females from? Q. Was Nadia -- do you know how old A. I refuse to answer. Q. Have you had conversations with about Jeffrey Epstein bringing her to this country? A. I refuse to answer. Q. She's been described by some as his Yugoslavian lesbian sex slave. Is that something that 3524-006 Page 48 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009295 EFTA00159297 is an accurate description based on the observations you have? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did you ever engage in any lesbian sex with A. I refuse to answer. Q. Has ever had sex with Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know how it is that met Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know Story Cowles? A. I refuse to answer. Q. You know who Sergio Cordero is? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Well, that's somebody who also assists Mr. Epstein in bringing him underage minor females for sex, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And Khalid Monroe, you know who that is? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Also somebody that through MC Squared or some affiliation with that modeling agency would help for Jeffrey Epstein to gain access to underage minor females for sex, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And do you know of trips that Mr. Cordero, Mr. Brunel, and Mr. Epstein took to Brazil specifically for the purposes of Mr. Epstein engaging in sex with 12-year-old girls? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Are you -- you are aware that Jeffrey Epstein pled guilty to two felonies related to his sexual interactions, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Okay. VIDEOGRAPHER: Excuse me, counsel. MR. ROSS: I object on privilege grounds -- attorney-client privilege grounds. MR. EDWARDS: Okay, fine. I was trying to get into an area we may get answers. VIDEOGRAPHER: Could I just get you to put your phone on the table? I'm starting to get interference. MR. ROSS: The phone? VIDEOGRAPHER: Yes, sir. 3524-006 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009296 EFTA00159298 MR. EDWARDS: You got a secret phone? VIDEOGRAPHER: It's anytime it receives any kind of information. MR. ROSS: Oh, okay, yeah, it's -- VIDEOGRAPHER: It's not that it's ringing. MR. ROSS: Right. It's not doing it now. VIDEOGRAPHER: I apologize for the interruption. Q. All right. I ask you that question because there was also something called a non-prosecution agreement. Are you familiar with that document? A. I refuse to answer. MR. ROSS: Attorney-client privilege. Q. And that is also a document that included your name as a co-conspirator; are you familiar with that? A. I refuse to answer. MR. ROSS: Attorney-client privilege. Q. And that is because of your involvement with calling on the telephone underage minors to bring them to Jeffrey Epstein's house, correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Or for your involvement in scheduling appointments in Jeffrey Epstein's appointment book for underage minor -- underage minor females to be involved with Jeffrey Epstein sexually, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. It is certainly not because you sought out this child molestation ring in hopes of rising to the top, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Didn't you do everything that you did that anybody could ever say is illegal at the direction of Jeffrey Epstein? A. I refuse to answer. Q. And if it wasn't at the direction of Jeffrey Epstein it was at the direction of Ghislaine Maxwell or Sarah Kellen, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. I mean, those things were not things that you would have done but for being under the supervision of Jeffrey Epstein; isn't that right? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And you continued to do these things either out of fear or because you were just impressed with Jeffrey Epstein's lifestyle? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Aren't you angry for him involving you in this criminal activity? 3524-006 Page 50 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009297 EFTA00159299 A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you ever intend in the future to talk about what he did and what he involved you in? MR. PIKE: Form. MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Wouldn't you like to separate yourself being the person that you are from this person who brought you into this mess? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is Jeffrey Epstein paying for your attorney now? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. MR. ROSS: Well, actually you can answer. A. No, my parents help me. Q. Are you aware of Jeffrey Epstein's closest friends now? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Who are the people that you believe are Jeffrey Epstein's enemies? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you ever find out that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell had been targeting and preying upon underage females for sex for more than a decade? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Who is Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend now, if you know? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Since being on house arrest has Jeffrey Epstein continued to engage in sex with underage minor females? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Knowing that his habit was more than -- was at least two underage minor females for sex every single day do you believe that he stopped? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Isn't it your belief that he will continue to do that once all of these cases are over? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Isn't it true that Jeffrey Epstein believes that he is entitled to have sex with whomever he wants including 12-, 13-, 14-year-old girls? MR. PIKE: Form. 3524-006 Page 51 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009298 EFTA00159300 Q. Do you know whether he continues -- do you know whether he intends to continue to molest underage minors within the United States? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know Mike Sanka? A. I refuse to answer. Q. That's somebody else that assisted Jeffrey Epstein in gaining access to underage minor females that were foreigners, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. He's also involved in the modeling agency, too, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. That's a friend of or former friend of Jean Luc Brunel's? A. I refuse to answer. Q. How many times has Jean Luc Brunel shown up at Jeffrey Epstein's house with underage minor females? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And when that would happen isn't it true that they would have orgies with these underage minor females? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. What was done -- or let me ask it a different way. Strike that. Where is the scheduling book for the massage appointments for Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is that something else that was removed from the home prior to the search warrant being executed? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Do you know how it is that -- well, did Jeffrey Epstein ever tell you that because of the people he knew he would not be going to prison for the crimes that he committed? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And is it your understanding that Ken Starr had played a major role in devising the non-prosecution agreement or having the government agree not to prosecute Jeffrey Epstein for his crimes against minors? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. 3524-006 Page 52 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009299 EFTA00159301 Q. Is it also your understanding that Bill Clinton played somewhat of a role in helping Jeffrey Epstein out of the trouble that he would have been in related to his sexual interactions with minor females? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein tell you that you need to cooperate if you want the protection that me and my connections can give you for this activity? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. You admit that you called LM on the telephone for her to come to Jeffrey Epstein's house to be molested by Jeffrey Epstein when she was an underage female? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Asked and answered twice. Q. Do you agree that you called EW on the telephone for the purposes of her coming to Jeffrey Epstein's house for him to sexually molest her? MR. PIKE: Same objection. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And do you agree that you called Jane Doe and told her to come to your house to work, meaning for Jeffrey Epstein to sexually molest her? MR. PIKE: Asked and answered. A. I refuse to answer. Q. The first trial that is set in these cases is in July of this year. Do you intend to be in the local area? MR. ROSS: You can answer. A. Yes. Q. Okay. And what address will you be at? MR. ROSS: You can answer. Q. And the ZIP is? A. Q. And I presume that if I needed to find you or locate you or anything else I could go through your attorney? A. Yes. Q. Okay. Who do you live at that address with? MR. ROSS: You can answer. 3524-006 Page 53 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009300 EFTA00159302 3524-006 Page 54 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009301 EFTA00159303 A. Correct. Q. And did he have a different employment or profession then? A. Yes. Q. What was he doing then? Q. In 2004 and 2005 you were employed by Jeffrey Epstein, correct? 3524-006 Page 55 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009302 EFTA00159304 MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And as an employee of Jeffrey Epstein you were under his instruction and supervision, correct? MR. PIKE: Form. MR. PIKE: Let's go off the record for a second. A. I refuse to answer. MR. MERMELSTEIN: Sure. VIDEOGRAPHER: Off the record at 12:12 p.m. (Discussion off the record.) MR. MERMELSTEIN: I'll be brief on the general questions. VIDEOGRAPHER: On the record, 12:14 p.m. BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. And as an employee of Jeffrey Epstein were you also subject to the -- to the instructions and supervision of Ghislaine Maxwell? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. primary assistant Q. And as an employee of Jeffrey Epstein did you work under the supervision and instruction of his MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Okay. Did Jeffrey Epstein tell you that -- that he recruited from western Palm Beach County underage girls to come to his Palm Beach mansion for sexual activity? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And did Jeffrey Epstein have a computer database at his Palm Beach mansion where he listed underage high school girls in Palm Beach County and their contact information so that he could have these underage minors come to his house for sexual activity? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And did Jeffrey Epstein tell you that the reason he brought in underage minors from western Palm Beach County is because he anticipated they would be impressed, in awe, and intimidated by his wealth? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And as young girls who were impressed and in awe and intimidated of his wealth they would do what he asked them to do? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And as young underage girls who were impressed, intimidated, and in awe of his wealth they would be unlikely to -- to complain to authorities that 3524-006 Page 56 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009303 EFTA00159305 he was engaging in sexual activity with them? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Okay. Did Jeffrey Epstein instruct you to call girls on the telephone to schedule appointments for them to come to his Palm Beach house for massages which were, in fact, to be sexual activity? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Prior to May 2005 did you call Jane Doe 4 to schedule appointments for her to come to the Epstein house to engage in -- to give Jeffrey Epstein a massage which would, in fact, be sexual activity with Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Okay. Prior to May 2005 while you were at the Epstein house in Palm Beach did you receive calls from Jane Doe 4 regarding the scheduling of an appointment for her to come to the Epstein house to give Jeffrey ## Epstein a massage? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. When Jane Doe 7 -- let me strike that. Do you know Jane Doe 7? A. I refuse to answer. Q. When Jane Doe 7 was a minor female did you call Jane Doe 7 to schedule appointments for her to come to the Epstein house in Palm Beach to give Epstein a massage? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. When Jane Doe 7 was a minor female did you receive calls from Jane Doe 7 while you were at the Epstein house for her to come to the house by appointment and give Jeffrey Epstein a massage? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. The computer database that Jeffrey Epstein maintained girls from western Palm Beach County who would come to the house in Palm Beach to give Epstein a massage, did that computer database include the name and contact information for Jane Doe 2? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know who Jane Doe 2 is? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know who Jane Doe 5 is? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did the computer database that Epstein maintained on his computers in his home have the name and contact information for Jane Doe 5 so that Epstein 3524-006 Page 57 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009304 EFTA00159306 could contact her for -- for massages in his Palm Beach home? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know the name Jane Doe 6? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did the computer database that Epstein maintained in his home of underage girls who he would have come over for massages and sexual activity did that computer database include the name and contact information for Jane Doe 6? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know the name Jane Doe 3? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did the computer database that Jeffrey Epstein maintained in his home include the name and contact information of Jane Doe 3 so that he could contact Jane Doe 3 to come to his Palm Beach home and give him a massage which would become sexual activity? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did the computer database that Jeffrey Epstein maintained in his home include the name Jane Doe 4? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Do you know Jane Doe 4? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did the -- did Jeffrey Epstein tell you that he maintained the contact information for Jane Doe 4 in his computer database in his home so that he could contact her to come to his Palm Beach mansion for massages? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you know for a fact that the computer database included the name Jane Doe 4 so that Jeffrey Epstein could contact her and she would come to the Palm Beach mansion to give Jeffrey Epstein a massage? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you know that the computer database that Jeffrey Epstein maintained his home contained the name and contact information of Jane Doe 7 -- A. I refuse -- sorry. Q. I'm sorry -- so he would contact Jane Doe 7 and have her come to his house to give him a massage? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Are you aware that the computer database that Jeffrey Epstein maintained in his home contained the name Jane Doe 8 so that he could contact Jane Doe 8 and have him come to the house in Palm Beach for purposes of giving him a massage? MR. PIKE: Form. 3524-006 Page 58 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009305 EFTA00159307 A. I refuse to answer. Q. You removed three computers from the Palm Beach house with another gentleman prior to the search warrant being issued by the Palm Beach police; isn't that correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Asked and answered. Q. And Jeffrey Epstein instructed you to remove those computers; is that correct? MR. PIKE: Form, asked and answered. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And Jeffrey Epstein told you that the reason he was instructing you to remove the computers was to hide his sexual activities with underage minors from the authorities? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. As an employee of Jeffrey Epstein did you know Janusz Banaziak? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Was Janusz Banaziak also an employee of Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. When Janusz Banaziak testified that you and another gentleman removed the three computers from Jeffrey Epstein's home he was telling the truth, correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did you observe Jeffrey Epstein persuading, inducing, or enticing underage girls to engage in sexual activities with him? Q. Did you -- strike that. Did you observe Jeffrey Epstein persuading, inducing, or enticing girls who came to his house for the purpose of giving him a massage to engage in sexual activity with him? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein tell you that he induced, persuaded, or enticed underage girls to engage in sexual activities with him when they came to his Palm Beach mansion to give him a massage? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Would you instruct -- when you spoke to underage girls to schedule appointments for massage in Epstein's home would you instruct these girls to lie about their ages and say they were 18 years old when 3524-006 Page 59 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009306 EFTA00159308 you knew that they were younger than 18? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein instruct you as to what to say to the girls who you contacted by telephone to make appointments to schedule massages in Epstein's home? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And would Jeffrey Epstein tell you to have the girls who you contacted by the telephone to make appointments to come to the mansion to give Jeffrey Epstein massages, that they should -- that these girls should lie about their ages to Jeffrey Epstein? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Prior to May 2005 are you aware that Jeffrey Epstein had numerous appointments with Jane Doe 4 for her to come to the mansion to come to give him a massage? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Prior to May 2005 are you aware that Jane Doe 4 would come to the mansion to give Jeffrey Epstein a massage on a frequent and regular basis? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Are you aware that prior to May 2005 Jeffrey Epstein engaged with -- engaged in sexual activities with Jane Doe 4 at the Palm Beach mansion 50 to a hundred times? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein admit to you that on numerous occasions he -- when Jane Doe 4 was an underage minor he touched her breasts? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein admit to you that on numerous occasions when Jane Doe 4 was an underage minor he touched and groped her buttocks? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein admit to you on numerous occasions when Jane Doe 4 was an underage minor that he rubbed Jane Doe 4's vagina? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein admit to you that on occasions prior to Jane Doe 4 turning the age of 18 that he performed oral sex on Jane Doe 4? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein admit to you that on numerous occasions prior to Jane Doe 4 reaching the age 3524-006 Page 60 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009307 EFTA00159309 of 18 he would place a vibrator on Jane Doe 4's genitals? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein admit to you that prior to Jane Doe 4 becoming 18 years of age he would masturbate in her presence? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form to the last question. MR. MERMELSTEIN: Hum? MR. PIKE: Form to the last question. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein admit to you that prior to Jane Doe 7 reaching the age of 18 years old he would touch her breasts? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein admit to you that prior to Jane Doe 7 reaching the age of 18 he would grope her --grope Jane Doe 7's buttocks? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And did Jeffrey Epstein admit to you that prior to Jane Doe 7 reaching the age of 18 he would rub Jane Doe 7's vagina? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Do you know who A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein instruct you to call on numerous occasions to recruit underage girls to come to the Palm Beach Mansion to give Jeffrey Epstein a massage? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein instruct you on numerous occasions to contact for the purpose of scheduling underage girls for appointments to come to A. I refuse to answer. the Palm Beach mansion and give Jeffrey Epstein a massage? A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did Jeffrey Epstein advise you that was his contact in western Palm Beach County high schools for the purpose of recruiting underage girls to come to the Palm Beach mansion where he would then engage in sexual activity with them? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Did instruct you on how to contact underage girls for the purpose of bringing them to the Palm Beach mansion for massages and what to say to these young girls? 3524-006 Page 61 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009308 EFTA00159310 MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Did ___ train you in how to contact girls and recruit them to come to the Palm Beach mansion and -- and provide Jeffrey Epstein with massages? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Was one of your primary duties scheduling regular appointments, at least two per day, for Jeffrey Epstein to have underage girls come to the mansion to give him a massage? MR. PIKE: Asked and answered, form. A. I refuse to answer. MR. MERMELSTEIN: Okay. That's all I have. MR. EDWARDS: I only have a couple. MR. PIKE: I have no questions. I'll go ahead and mark this as Number 4. (Whereupon, Plaintiff's Exhibit 4 was marked for identification.) BY MR. EDWARDS: Q. Was this related -- this event, was it related to MC Squared? ## REDIRECT EXAMINATION MR. PIKE: May I see that, counsel? Q. This photograph appears to be Jeffrey Epstein, yourself, and Maer Roshan in this photograph taken from an internet newspaper. Can you tell me where that picture was taken? A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. All right. What is -- I know that you told us that you're not employed now because you're in school. What was your last employment? A. Correct. Q. Where did you work prior to that? A. I worked for maybe less than a month at a clothing store. Q. What clothing store? A. South Beach. Q. Where's that? Q. Where in South Beach? A. It's on Collins Avenue and I believe maybe 6th and 8th, I'm not sure. Q. Okay. Why'd you leave there? 3524-006 Page 62 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009309 EFTA00159311 Q. Correct. A. The clothing store? A. Because I got the Q. And that's what you want to be you said? A. Yes, um-hum. Q. Okay. And I suppose that you left the because you went to school to finish your degree? A. Well, I was working part-time and going to school part-time and it just became too challenging. The ___ program is very demanding, so I wanted to dedicate myself to study. ___ Q. How long were you at this A. Maybe two and a half years about maybe. Something like that. Q. All right. So we're in -- when was it that you left there? A. May of 2009. Q. Okay. May '09, so that brings us back to late 2006 or something when you started there? A. Yes. That would be about right, yes. Q. And then it was sometime earlier than that in 2006 when you were at the clothing store? A. Yes. Q. And you were there for about a month? A. About, yes. Q. Give or take -- A. Yes. Q. -- a week or so? Where -- where did you work prior to the clothing store A. I was modeling. Q. And where were you modeling? A. In Miami. New York. Q. For what agency? A. In Miami I was with I was with Q. Okay. That was in Miami? Q. And then what agency did you work through in New York?___ 3524-006 Page 63 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009310 EFTA00159312 who was the person that got you hooked up A. My husband had that contact. Q. Okay. How long did you work with A. I'm trying to think. I do not recall exact timeframe. Q. All right. Well, if the clothing store was sometime late 2006 are we talking about earlier in the year 2006 when you were working with in Miami and in New York? MR. ROSS: I'm going to ask you to invoke. THE WITNESS: I'm sorry? MR. ROSS: You should invoke with regard to this timeframe you're talking about now. MR. EDWARDS: Okay. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Okay. Can you tell me about any job that you had modeling or otherwise prior to working at or with ? A. Recall -- just name any -- Q. Any -- what was your -- what employment did you have just prior to working with us? A. I was working as a model in Europe. I graduated from high school in 2002 and I dedicated that year to modeling and so I was modeling. I did not have employment. A. I was working as a model in Europe. I Q. All right. So just so I understand you were modeling in Europe, you came over here in 2002. A. Um-hum. Q. There's a period of time from 2002 through 2006 where -- you know, 2006 you start wit and again with I know when you came over here in 2002 you were with also, right? A. I'm sorry, you're confusing me with the timeframe. Q. I'm confusing myself, how about that. Let's start over. 2002 you come over to the United States, you're working at ? A. Yes, I've been invited by Q. Okay. And then if I understand you correctly over time you continue to work with or through A. Well, I've been, you know, changing agencies throughout the period. Q. Okay. What are some of the other modeling agencies you have worked for or with? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Okay. The only other names of modeling agencies that you can answer are 3524-006 Page 64 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009311 EFTA00159313 is that correct? THE WITNESS: Should I? MR. ROSS: Well, she's already answered also MR. EDWARDS: But I thought that was somebody through Elite, like they're -- MR. ROSS: No, no, no, MR. EDWARDS: Different, okay. Q. All right. Is there anybody else that you're able to -- to tell me where you worked? MR. ROSS: Invoke as to any further information. THE WITNESS: I'm sorry? MR. ROSS: Invoke your privilege. A. I refuse to answer any questions. MR. EDWARDS: All right. That's all I got. MR. MERMELSTEIN: Can I just follow up a couple? ## RECROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. MERMELSTEIN: Q. In what has been marked as Exhibit 2C is a phone message from you to -- from you to Jeffrey Epstein dated September 10th, 2005 at 1:15 p.m. And the message that you left was " confirmed 4 p.m.", is that correct? A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is the ___ referred to in this message ___? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. And did you schedule MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. A. I refuse to answer. Q. -- to come to the Palm Beach mansion as an underage female to give Jeffrey Epstein massages? MR. PIKE: Form. Q. Also what has been marked as Exhibit 2F is a phone message from you to Jeffrey Epstein dated September 11th, 2005 at 9:15 a.m. And the message was that you got a car for a particular person. Do you recall that? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. Is the car that you obtained on September 11th, 2005 for Jane Doe 4? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And Jane Doe 4 is a girl who had been coming to the Palm Beach mansion to give Jeffrey Epstein a massage and engage in sexual activities with him for a substantial period of time; is that correct? 3524-006 Page 65 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009312 EFTA00159314 A. I refuse to answer. Q. And also what has been marked as Exhibit 2H -- actually -- MR. EDWARDS: Is that G? MR. MERMELSTEIN: Are they similar? MR. EDWARDS: Yeah, I guess they blocked out names on one of them and they didn't on the other. MR. MERMELSTEIN: Right. Okay. Q. And what has been marked as Exhibit 2G is a message from you to Jeffrey Epstein dated September 3rd, 2005 at 8:50 p.m. And the message you left is, quote, "I left message for to confirm for 11:00 a.m. and for 4:30 p.m." Did you, in fact, leave that message? MR. PIKE: Form. A. I refuse to answer. Q. And this message that you left confirmed an appointment for Jane Doe 4 for 4:30 p.m., correct? A. I refuse to answer. MR. MERMELSTEIN: All right. That's all I have. MR. ROSS: Waive. MR. MERMELSTEIN: All right. VIDEOGRAPHER: Off the record, 12:42 p.m. THE REPORTER: Are you ordering? MR. EDWARDS: Yes. MR. PIKE: I want a copy, a mini, no ASCii, and no word index. MR. MERMELSTEIN: I'll take a copy with a mini. (The deposition was concluded at 12:42 p.m.) (Reading and signing of the deposition was waived by the witness and all parties.) 3524-006 Page 66 of 68 SUBJECT TO PROTECTIVE ORDER PARAGRAPHS 7,8,9,10,15,and 17 EFTA_00009313 EFTA00159315 CERTIFICATE OF OATH STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF BROWARD I, Janet L. McKinney, Registered Professional Reporter, Florida Professional Reporter, Certified LiveNote Reporter, Notary Public, State of Florida, certify that ROSS personally appeared before me on March 15, 2010 and was duly sworn. Signed this 21st day of March, 2010. Janet L. McKinney Registered Professional Reporter Florida Professional Reporter Certified LiveNote Reporter Notary Public, State of Florida Commission No.: DD552183 Expires: June 2, 2010 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER STATE OF FLORIDA COUNTY OF BROWARD I, Janet McKinney, Registered Professional Reporter, Florida Professional Reporter, Certified LiveNote Reporter, certify that I was authorized to and did stenographically report the deposition of pages 1 through 138; that a review of the transcript was not requested; and that the transcript is a true record of my stenographic notes. I further certify that I not a relative, employee, attorney, or counsel of any of the parties, nor am I a relative or employee of any of the parties' attorneys or counsel connected with the action, nor am I financially interested in the action. Dated this 21st day of March, 2010. Janet L. 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